Restart 3-4 times before it can be use

Just cant understand why each time I on the pc, it restart 3-4 times before I
can use it. Did all the possible system virus clean up and nothing detected,
Mcafee, Adware, Spybot .. still the same problem.

When it restart 3-4 times, what happens is most of the times it was able to
reach the desktop and you can see that it still loading something (hour
glass0 and then it restart. (Although there are times it was unable to get to
desktop before it restart)

With only the essential 3 w98se files checked, and I boot up as Normal mode,
the pc was able to get to desktop immediately and ready for use.

Thinking that NSW may be the problem with my broadband driver, I decied to
uninstall NSW, which I could not uninstall. So I remove it using Add/Remove
program and install Mcafee scan5 ver 9.

((And now I understand I cannot fully remove all iNSW files which I may have
to re-install NSW))

Once I check Mcafee 5 ver9 files in msconfig and start the pc, the problem
appears again. (I have not tried to see if any other programs are causing
this)

Pls help.... as I need to use it desperately.TIA

There isn't really much difference between Norton and McAfee when it
comes to muddling the system. Try Avast AV or eTrust EZ Armor (still a
deal if you hurry-before Feb.1) www.my-etrust.com/microsoft

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User


frustrated 98se user wrote:
Just cant understand why each time I on the pc, it restart 3-4 times
before I can use it. Did all the possible system virus clean up and
nothing detected, Mcafee, Adware, Spybot .. still the same problem.

When it restart 3-4 times, what happens is most of the times it was
able to reach the desktop and you can see that it still loading
something (hour glass0 and then it restart. (Although there are times
it was unable to get to desktop before it restart)

With only the essential 3 w98se files checked, and I boot up as
Normal mode, the pc was able to get to desktop immediately and ready
for use.

Thinking that NSW may be the problem with my broadband driver, I
decied to uninstall NSW, which I could not uninstall. So I remove it
using Add/Remove program and install Mcafee scan5 ver 9.

((And now I understand I cannot fully remove all iNSW files which I
may have to re-install NSW))

Once I check Mcafee 5 ver9 files in msconfig and start the pc, the
problem appears again. (I have not tried to see if any other
programs are causing this)

Pls help.... as I need to use it desperately.TIA

will look at it later, besideS that is there any other option for me to try.
Need to run out for next few hours.TIA

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

There isn't really much difference between Norton and McAfee when it
comes to muddling the system. Try Avast AV or eTrust EZ Armor (still a
deal if you hurry-before Feb.1) www.my-etrust.com/microsoft

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User


frustrated 98se user wrote:
Just cant understand why each time I on the pc, it restart 3-4 times
before I can use it. Did all the possible system virus clean up and
nothing detected, Mcafee, Adware, Spybot .. still the same problem.

When it restart 3-4 times, what happens is most of the times it was
able to reach the desktop and you can see that it still loading
something (hour glass0 and then it restart. (Although there are times
it was unable to get to desktop before it restart)

With only the essential 3 w98se files checked, and I boot up as
Normal mode, the pc was able to get to desktop immediately and ready
for use.

Thinking that NSW may be the problem with my broadband driver, I
decied to uninstall NSW, which I could not uninstall. So I remove it
using Add/Remove program and install Mcafee scan5 ver 9.

((And now I understand I cannot fully remove all iNSW files which I
may have to re-install NSW))

Once I check Mcafee 5 ver9 files in msconfig and start the pc, the
problem appears again. (I have not tried to see if any other
programs are causing this)

Pls help.... as I need to use it desperately.TIA

Well, the situation may be one where you already have a marginal system
that Norton or McAfee puts over the edge, but only hands-on t-shooting
can figure that one out. I mention Avast and eTrust simply because those
are the two I currently trust the most.

Of course, using the "complete" uninstaller for Norton and McAfee,
downloaded from their respective sites, would probably improve matters.
Outside that, I can only suggest you read my two "blurbs" that I've
repeated so many times I decided to make articles of them:

"Clean Boot--What it is and why you need it."
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm

"Security!"
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"frustrated 98se user" frustrated 98se
wrote in message
...
will look at it later, besideS that is there any other option for me
to try.
Need to run out for next few hours.TIA

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

There isn't really much difference between Norton and McAfee when it
comes to muddling the system. Try Avast AV or eTrust EZ Armor (still
a
deal if you hurry-before Feb.1) www.my-etrust.com/microsoft

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User


frustrated 98se user wrote:
Just cant understand why each time I on the pc, it restart 3-4
times
before I can use it. Did all the possible system virus clean up
and
nothing detected, Mcafee, Adware, Spybot .. still the same
problem.

When it restart 3-4 times, what happens is most of the times it
was
able to reach the desktop and you can see that it still loading
something (hour glass0 and then it restart. (Although there are
times
it was unable to get to desktop before it restart)

With only the essential 3 w98se files checked, and I boot up as
Normal mode, the pc was able to get to desktop immediately and
ready
for use.

Thinking that NSW may be the problem with my broadband driver, I
decied to uninstall NSW, which I could not uninstall. So I remove
it
using Add/Remove program and install Mcafee scan5 ver 9.

((And now I understand I cannot fully remove all iNSW files which
I
may have to re-install NSW))

Once I check Mcafee 5 ver9 files in msconfig and start the pc, the
problem appears again. (I have not tried to see if any other
programs are causing this)

Pls help.... as I need to use it desperately.TIA

Ha ha, see light at the end of the tunnel. What I did was to install the 98se
in another hd (as master) and the other as a slave for storing data. After I
load all the programmes (applications, drivers modem, Mcafee etc), the same
problem occurs, that is it restart 3-4 times and sometimes after loading the
98, it hang while loading the drivers ........ and it points to the modem,
(or rather at least it points to the modem which I will send it to the shop
next week).
Taking the modem out, it runs ok, whatever and whichever way you like,
inside out and outside in ........ and no problem with the cursor.

However the mystery is.........
details first mobo:-i430TX-P5TX-Bpro Rev 2.1 01/15/1998
Award PCIPNP586 with (N109493564 written on the chip)
pc have the serial keyboard, serial mouse, Aopen cd (another pain in the
neck) and floppy drive. (at the moment printer is not connected)

AS it stand now, in the Device Manager
under mouse tree-"standard serial mouse" but under its properties, it only
give General/Drivers tags
General tag - device status - the device is working properly
-device usage - there are TWO boxes uncheck

under the kb tree-"standard 101/102 keyboard or microsoft natural keyboard"
but under its properties it gives 3 tags, General/Drivers/RESOURCES
General tag - device status - the device is working properly
device usage - ONE box uncheck
Resourse tag - setting based on "Basic configuration 0000"
RESOURCE INTERRUPT 01

The BIOS setting is as follows:-(will just jot down which I think its
relevant)
Bios features setup -
PCI/VGA Palette Snoop : (Disabled)
Video BIOS Shadowing : (Enabled)

CHIPSET features setup
Auto configuration : (Enabled)

DRAM Leadoff timing : (10/6/3) ............. CANNOT CHANGE (CC)
DRAM Read Burst (EDO/FP) : (x222/x333) ..................... CC
DRAM Write Brust Timing : (x222) ............................ CC
FAST EDO Lead Off : (Enabled) ........................ CC
Refresh RAS# Assertion : (4 Clks) .......................... CC

Fast RAS To CAS Delay : (3 CLKS)
DRAM Page Idle Timer : (2Clks)
DRAM Enchanced Paging : (Enabled)
Fast MA to RAS# Delay : (1 Clks)

SDRAM (CAS Lat/RAS-to-CAS) : (3/2)
SDRAM Speculative Read : (Disabled)
Speculative Lead Off : (Enabled)
System BIOS Cacheable : (Enabled)
Video BIOS Cacheable : (Enabled)

8 Bit I/O Recovery Time : (1)
16 Bit I/O Recovery Time : (1)
Memory Hole At 15M-16M : (Disabled)

PCI Passive Release : (Disabled)
PCI Delayed Transaction : (Enabled)
Chipset NA# Asserted : (Enabled)
Mem. Drive Str. (MA/RAS) : (Auto)

Power Management Setup
Power Mnagement ; Disabled
PM Control by APM : Yes
Video Off Method : V/H SYNC+Blank
Video Off After : Suspend

Doze Mode/Standby Mode/Suspend Mode/HDD Power Down - Disable ........

all CANNOT CHANGE
Throttle Duty Cycle : (62.5%)
ZZ Active in Suspend : (Disabled)
VGA Active Monitor : ( Enabled)
CPUFAN Off In Suspend : (Enabled)

*** Break Event From Suspend ***
IRQ 8 Clock Event : (Disabled)
Ring-In Event : (Enabled)

*** Reload Global Timer Events ***
IRQ 3-7, 9-15, NMI : (Enabled)
Primary IDE 0 : (Enabled)
Primary IDE 1 : (Enabled)

Secondary IDE 0 : (Disabled)
Secondary IDE 1 : (Disabled)
Floppy Disk : (Disabled)

Serial Port : (Enabled)
Parallel Port : (Disabled)

PNP/PCI CONFIGURATION
PNP OS Installed : (Yes)
Resources Controlled By : (Manual)
Reset Configuration Data : (Disabled)

IRQ -3, 4, 5, 7 assigned to : Legacy ISA
IRQ -9, 10, 11, 12, 14, 15 assigned to : PCI/ISA PnP

DMA - 0, 1, 3, 5, 6, 7 assigned to : PCI/ISA PnP

PCI IDE Map To : PCI-AUTO
Primary IDE INT# : A
Secondary IDE INT# : B

Used MEM base addr : N/A

INTEGRATED PERPHERIALS
IDE HDD Block Mode : (Enabled)
IDE Primary Master PIO : AUTO
IDE Primary Slave PIO : AUTO
IDE Secondary Master PIO : AUTO
IDE Secondary Slave PIO : AUTO

IDE Primary Master UDMA : AUTO
IDE Primary Slave UDMA : AUTO
IDE Secondary Master UDMA : AUTO
IDE Secondary Slave UDMA : AUTO

On-Chip Primary PCI IDE : Enabled
On-Chip Secondary PCI IDE : Enabled
USB Keyboard Support : Disabled

Onboard FDD Controller : Enabled
Onboard Serial Port 1 : 3F8/IRQ4
Onboard Serial Port 2 : Disabled

Onboard Parallel Port : 378/IRQ 7
Onboard Parallel Mode : SPP

I would like to know is the BIOS setting correct? Why is that there is a
difference in the tags for the kb/serial mouse? Do you anticipate if any
problem if I put in the modem especially will the cursor hang? Hope some
experts will enlighten me on the above, thanks a lot .........

(BTW, I do not know if I have accidentially "Load BIOS DEFAULTS" setting,
and then leave the pc for days and later come back to discover the current
problems of repeated start/restart or cursor hang)

thanks ......



"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

Well, the situation may be one where you already have a marginal system
that Norton or McAfee puts over the edge, but only hands-on t-shooting
can figure that one out. I mention Avast and eTrust simply because those
are the two I currently trust the most.

Of course, using the "complete" uninstaller for Norton and McAfee,
downloaded from their respective sites, would probably improve matters.
Outside that, I can only suggest you read my two "blurbs" that I've
repeated so many times I decided to make articles of them:

"Clean Boot--What it is and why you need it."
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm

"Security!"
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"frustrated 98se user" frustrated 98se
wrote in message
...
will look at it later, besideS that is there any other option for me
to try.
Need to run out for next few hours.TIA

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

There isn't really much difference between Norton and McAfee when it
comes to muddling the system. Try Avast AV or eTrust EZ Armor (still
a
deal if you hurry-before Feb.1) www.my-etrust.com/microsoft

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User


frustrated 98se user wrote:
Just cant understand why each time I on the pc, it restart 3-4
times
before I can use it. Did all the possible system virus clean up
and
nothing detected, Mcafee, Adware, Spybot .. still the same
problem.

When it restart 3-4 times, what happens is most of the times it
was
able to reach the desktop and you can see that it still loading
something (hour glass0 and then it restart. (Although there are
times
it was unable to get to desktop before it restart)

With only the essential 3 w98se files checked, and I boot up as
Normal mode, the pc was able to get to desktop immediately and
ready
for use.

Thinking that NSW may be the problem with my broadband driver, I
decied to uninstall NSW, which I could not uninstall. So I remove
it
using Add/Remove program and install Mcafee scan5 ver 9.

((And now I understand I cannot fully remove all iNSW files which
I
may have to re-install NSW))

Once I check Mcafee 5 ver9 files in msconfig and start the pc, the
problem appears again. (I have not tried to see if any other
programs are causing this)

Pls help.... as I need to use it desperately.TIA

Looking at the MSI/IRQ noticed that there is no mention about the IRQ for
the mouse.
IRQ 1-Standard 101/102 Keyboard
IRQ 4-Communication Port (Com1)
IRQ 7-Printer Port (LPT1)

Since the printer is not connected, is the IRQ 7 by default reserve for
printer.
How about the IRQ for the serial mouse? Hope someone can give some ideas
about this BIOS, thanks

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

Well, the situation may be one where you already have a marginal system
that Norton or McAfee puts over the edge, but only hands-on t-shooting
can figure that one out. I mention Avast and eTrust simply because those
are the two I currently trust the most.

Of course, using the "complete" uninstaller for Norton and McAfee,
downloaded from their respective sites, would probably improve matters.
Outside that, I can only suggest you read my two "blurbs" that I've
repeated so many times I decided to make articles of them:

"Clean Boot--What it is and why you need it."
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm

"Security!"
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"frustrated 98se user" frustrated 98se
wrote in message
...
will look at it later, besideS that is there any other option for me
to try.
Need to run out for next few hours.TIA

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

There isn't really much difference between Norton and McAfee when it
comes to muddling the system. Try Avast AV or eTrust EZ Armor (still
a
deal if you hurry-before Feb.1) www.my-etrust.com/microsoft

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User


frustrated 98se user wrote:
Just cant understand why each time I on the pc, it restart 3-4
times
before I can use it. Did all the possible system virus clean up
and
nothing detected, Mcafee, Adware, Spybot .. still the same
problem.

When it restart 3-4 times, what happens is most of the times it
was
able to reach the desktop and you can see that it still loading
something (hour glass0 and then it restart. (Although there are
times
it was unable to get to desktop before it restart)

With only the essential 3 w98se files checked, and I boot up as
Normal mode, the pc was able to get to desktop immediately and
ready
for use.

Thinking that NSW may be the problem with my broadband driver, I
decied to uninstall NSW, which I could not uninstall. So I remove
it
using Add/Remove program and install Mcafee scan5 ver 9.

((And now I understand I cannot fully remove all iNSW files which
I
may have to re-install NSW))

Once I check Mcafee 5 ver9 files in msconfig and start the pc, the
problem appears again. (I have not tried to see if any other
programs are causing this)

Pls help.... as I need to use it desperately.TIA

Sorry for the late reply. I've been out of town for a few days. And I'll
have to come back to this, read the thread and refresh my memory, then
carefully consider it all before giving you a real reply. I've got a few
other things that I need to catch up on, so it may not be for another
day or two, but I wanted you to know I haven't totally abandoned you.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"frustrated 98se user" frustrated 98se
wrote in message
...
Looking at the MSI/IRQ noticed that there is no mention about the IRQ
for
the mouse.
IRQ 1-Standard 101/102 Keyboard
IRQ 4-Communication Port (Com1)
IRQ 7-Printer Port (LPT1)

Since the printer is not connected, is the IRQ 7 by default reserve
for
printer.
How about the IRQ for the serial mouse? Hope someone can give some
ideas
about this BIOS, thanks

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

Well, the situation may be one where you already have a marginal
system
that Norton or McAfee puts over the edge, but only hands-on
t-shooting
can figure that one out. I mention Avast and eTrust simply because
those
are the two I currently trust the most.

Of course, using the "complete" uninstaller for Norton and McAfee,
downloaded from their respective sites, would probably improve
matters.
Outside that, I can only suggest you read my two "blurbs" that I've
repeated so many times I decided to make articles of them:

"Clean Boot--What it is and why you need it."
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm

"Security!"
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"frustrated 98se user" frustrated 98se

wrote in message
...
will look at it later, besideS that is there any other option for
me
to try.
Need to run out for next few hours.TIA

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

There isn't really much difference between Norton and McAfee
when it
comes to muddling the system. Try Avast AV or eTrust EZ Armor
(still
a
deal if you hurry-before Feb.1) www.my-etrust.com/microsoft

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User


frustrated 98se user wrote:
Just cant understand why each time I on the pc, it restart 3-4
times
before I can use it. Did all the possible system virus clean
up
and
nothing detected, Mcafee, Adware, Spybot .. still the same
problem.

When it restart 3-4 times, what happens is most of the times
it
was
able to reach the desktop and you can see that it still
loading
something (hour glass0 and then it restart. (Although there
are
times
it was unable to get to desktop before it restart)

With only the essential 3 w98se files checked, and I boot up
as
Normal mode, the pc was able to get to desktop immediately and
ready
for use.

Thinking that NSW may be the problem with my broadband driver,
I
decied to uninstall NSW, which I could not uninstall. So I
remove
it
using Add/Remove program and install Mcafee scan5 ver 9.

((And now I understand I cannot fully remove all iNSW files
which
I
may have to re-install NSW))

Once I check Mcafee 5 ver9 files in msconfig and start the pc,
the
problem appears again. (I have not tried to see if any other
programs are causing this)

Pls help.... as I need to use it desperately.TIA

Gary,

Thanks and look forward for your advice.

rgds

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

Sorry for the late reply. I've been out of town for a few days. And I'll
have to come back to this, read the thread and refresh my memory, then
carefully consider it all before giving you a real reply. I've got a few
other things that I need to catch up on, so it may not be for another
day or two, but I wanted you to know I haven't totally abandoned you.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"frustrated 98se user" frustrated 98se
wrote in message
...
Looking at the MSI/IRQ noticed that there is no mention about the IRQ
for
the mouse.
IRQ 1-Standard 101/102 Keyboard
IRQ 4-Communication Port (Com1)
IRQ 7-Printer Port (LPT1)

Since the printer is not connected, is the IRQ 7 by default reserve
for
printer.
How about the IRQ for the serial mouse? Hope someone can give some
ideas
about this BIOS, thanks

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

Well, the situation may be one where you already have a marginal
system
that Norton or McAfee puts over the edge, but only hands-on
t-shooting
can figure that one out. I mention Avast and eTrust simply because
those
are the two I currently trust the most.

Of course, using the "complete" uninstaller for Norton and McAfee,
downloaded from their respective sites, would probably improve
matters.
Outside that, I can only suggest you read my two "blurbs" that I've
repeated so many times I decided to make articles of them:

"Clean Boot--What it is and why you need it."
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm

"Security!"
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"frustrated 98se user" frustrated 98se

wrote in message
...
will look at it later, besideS that is there any other option for
me
to try.
Need to run out for next few hours.TIA

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

There isn't really much difference between Norton and McAfee
when it
comes to muddling the system. Try Avast AV or eTrust EZ Armor
(still
a
deal if you hurry-before Feb.1) www.my-etrust.com/microsoft

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User


frustrated 98se user wrote:
Just cant understand why each time I on the pc, it restart 3-4
times
before I can use it. Did all the possible system virus clean
up
and
nothing detected, Mcafee, Adware, Spybot .. still the same
problem.

When it restart 3-4 times, what happens is most of the times
it
was
able to reach the desktop and you can see that it still
loading
something (hour glass0 and then it restart. (Although there
are
times
it was unable to get to desktop before it restart)

With only the essential 3 w98se files checked, and I boot up
as
Normal mode, the pc was able to get to desktop immediately and
ready
for use.

Thinking that NSW may be the problem with my broadband driver,
I
decied to uninstall NSW, which I could not uninstall. So I
remove
it
using Add/Remove program and install Mcafee scan5 ver 9.

((And now I understand I cannot fully remove all iNSW files
which
I
may have to re-install NSW))

Once I check Mcafee 5 ver9 files in msconfig and start the pc,
the
problem appears again. (I have not tried to see if any other
programs are causing this)

Pls help.... as I need to use it desperately.TIA

"frustrated 98se user" frustrated 98se
wrote in message ...
Ha ha, see light at the end of the tunnel. What I did was to install the
98se
in another hd (as master) and the other as a slave for storing data. After
I
load all the programmes (applications, drivers modem, Mcafee etc), the
same
problem occurs, that is it restart 3-4 times and sometimes after loading
the
98, it hang while loading the drivers ........ and it points to the modem,
(or rather at least it points to the modem which I will send it to the
shop
next week).
Taking the modem out, it runs ok, whatever and whichever way you like,
inside out and outside in ........ and no problem with the cursor.

It may very well be the modem if all runs well when it's not installed. Do
you have another modem on hand to try?

However the mystery is.........
details first mobo:-i430TX-P5TX-Bpro Rev 2.1 01/15/1998
Award PCIPNP586 with (N109493564 written on the chip)
pc have the serial keyboard, serial mouse, Aopen cd (another pain in the
neck) and floppy drive. (at the moment printer is not connected)

From what I find the:
Mobo manufacturer is Elite Group Computer

Mobo is AMD Socket 7 P5TX-Bpro
http://www.baber.com/baber/411/ecs_p5tx-bpro.htm

Mobo manual 1.6MB
http://www.microbits.com.au/support/...p5txbpro32.pdf

CPU is Intel 430TX
http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets...30tx/index.htm

The latest BIOS is Ver 4.1
http://www.ecsusa.com/downloads/p5tx_bpro.html

--

Brian A.

Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

Well, guess spoke too soon, the modem was given a clean health. No problem
when the manufacturer fix into its pc and goes to the internet.

So back to the burner, try changing the ports, same result. Take out all the
other cards, still the same. Once I take out the modem, the pc works fine.
There is one thing I observed all these while, why is that after the desktop
been loaded(appeared) and while the cursor is still in hour glass(loading
something), the clock on the bottom right hand corner disappear for a good
few seconds. (Its not like what you see as if it is refreshing). Then the
clock appear again.
Feel that there is something about the bios that is not right, why (3/2) in"
SDRAM (CAS Lat/RAS-to-CAS) : (3/2) " or may be it doesn't matter as I dont
have sdram
well gary, guess I have to be back to the drawing board, tks

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

Sorry for the late reply. I've been out of town for a few days. And I'll
have to come back to this, read the thread and refresh my memory, then
carefully consider it all before giving you a real reply. I've got a few
other things that I need to catch up on, so it may not be for another
day or two, but I wanted you to know I haven't totally abandoned you.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"frustrated 98se user" frustrated 98se
wrote in message
...
Looking at the MSI/IRQ noticed that there is no mention about the IRQ
for
the mouse.
IRQ 1-Standard 101/102 Keyboard
IRQ 4-Communication Port (Com1)
IRQ 7-Printer Port (LPT1)

Since the printer is not connected, is the IRQ 7 by default reserve
for
printer.
How about the IRQ for the serial mouse? Hope someone can give some
ideas
about this BIOS, thanks

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

Well, the situation may be one where you already have a marginal
system
that Norton or McAfee puts over the edge, but only hands-on
t-shooting
can figure that one out. I mention Avast and eTrust simply because
those
are the two I currently trust the most.

Of course, using the "complete" uninstaller for Norton and McAfee,
downloaded from their respective sites, would probably improve
matters.
Outside that, I can only suggest you read my two "blurbs" that I've
repeated so many times I decided to make articles of them:

"Clean Boot--What it is and why you need it."
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm

"Security!"
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"frustrated 98se user" frustrated 98se

wrote in message
...
will look at it later, besideS that is there any other option for
me
to try.
Need to run out for next few hours.TIA

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

There isn't really much difference between Norton and McAfee
when it
comes to muddling the system. Try Avast AV or eTrust EZ Armor
(still
a
deal if you hurry-before Feb.1) www.my-etrust.com/microsoft

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User


frustrated 98se user wrote:
Just cant understand why each time I on the pc, it restart 3-4
times
before I can use it. Did all the possible system virus clean
up
and
nothing detected, Mcafee, Adware, Spybot .. still the same
problem.

When it restart 3-4 times, what happens is most of the times
it
was
able to reach the desktop and you can see that it still
loading
something (hour glass0 and then it restart. (Although there
are
times
it was unable to get to desktop before it restart)

With only the essential 3 w98se files checked, and I boot up
as
Normal mode, the pc was able to get to desktop immediately and
ready
for use.

Thinking that NSW may be the problem with my broadband driver,
I
decied to uninstall NSW, which I could not uninstall. So I
remove
it
using Add/Remove program and install Mcafee scan5 ver 9.

((And now I understand I cannot fully remove all iNSW files
which
I
may have to re-install NSW))

Once I check Mcafee 5 ver9 files in msconfig and start the pc,
the
problem appears again. (I have not tried to see if any other
programs are causing this)

Pls help.... as I need to use it desperately.TIA