Damaged Certificates, ZA free, and AVG dysfunction?

After following mae's suggestions of correcting your date and time (and check your
time zone too), reboot, and post back with what issues still exist.

As for the OE settings for expanding threads and opening news messages, click Tools
menu Options Read tab, and select them there.

....Glen, with one "n" :-)
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"et" wrote in message
...
First, sorry to pile this all into one post, esp since it might best go to
the OE ng, but it is more than that . . . After a PSU (rel new, 6 mos.,
Antec) failure last Saturday which caused no damage since it simply refused
to start the next day, I found that AVG refused to load, telling me I had to
upgrade to 7.5, and ZA Free wouldn't start either, saying some root
certificates were probably damaged. ZA wouldn't uninst, same message, and
after using Martau's TUn (old free version), it was still there, much as
mentioned by, I think, Glenn Ventura in a thread some time back.

I ended up weeding it all out, much as I remembered the ZL web site
describes, then still found it was there (SpyBot TeaTimer told me), found
the last few pieces, and then, finally found glee's post saved from that
thread, with the important part of renewing the certificates, which I
did--strange process, that--reloaded ZA Free (last W98 compatible version)
and then downloaded the new AVG.

But I decided with all this mess, I'd best uninstall the old, and install
fresh. Did that, but it keeps saying the database, last updated on 11/9/06
is 1826 days old and is thus unsafe--Red flagged, etc. The icon's in the
tray, but I'm not certain it's truly active, and this is suspicious, anyhow,
and it makes no difference trying to update. When I tried to log on to the
AVG free forum, it wouldn't accept my logon, and when they sent me a new
password, it wouldn't accept that or the next one either. So no AVG forum.

First thing I found was that every time I open OE under my identity, it says
the server's certificate doesn't exist, but allows me to connect when I
click on it. Then, I find, although it appears to be downloading new
headers, it never displays them. So I set up my wife's identity to look at
win98_gen_discussion and sure enough, they display. But even stranger,
clicking on a header immediately displays the message in the preview pane
(mine has always required spacebar or clicking on the "link" in the pane)
*and* none of the threads are expanded (mine always were). I thought there
was an option for that somewhere but can't find it.

Anyway, the questions I'm asking are, what could cause the certificate
damage like that?

What sort of mechanism would cause *just* my OE identity to question the
certificate for the ISP server, when it doesn't on *this* identity (my
wife's).

How could anything like this damage my OE identity?

Does anyone know of strange AVG behavior (the update question) like that?
Or the forum password difficulty? Incidentally, I think it pretty poor
practice to deactivate the old version simply because they weren't
supporting it anymore--would make much more sense just to warn.

Mainly, I'd like to understand a little about what went on here, and how
these certificates work, as this all came as something of a surprise.

Malware is a *little* unlikely--I'm on dialup, and the most risky sites the
machine ever visits is the comics site my wife visits to read '9 chickweed
lane' every Saturday. I ran a SpyBot scan with clean results and will try
some others (e.g., David Lipman's Rx) as I can find the time, but I'm hoping
someone has some specific ideas on this.

Apologies for the rambling length of this.

Thanks,

Joe (jt3)

Thanks, Mae. Should have thought a little before I pushed the panic button,
eh?

Joe
"mae" wrote in message
...
Your date is showing as year 2011.
Correct and should be ok.
--
mae

"et" wrote in message
...
| First, sorry to pile this all into one post, esp since it might best go
to
| the OE ng, but it is more than that . . . After a PSU (rel new, 6 mos.,
| Antec) failure last Saturday which caused no damage since it simply
refused
| to start the next day, I found that AVG refused to load, telling me I
had
to
| upgrade to 7.5, and ZA Free wouldn't start either, saying some root
| certificates were probably damaged. ZA wouldn't uninst, same message,
and
| after using Martau's TUn (old free version), it was still there, much as
| mentioned by, I think, Glenn Ventura in a thread some time back.
|
| I ended up weeding it all out, much as I remembered the ZL web site
| describes, then still found it was there (SpyBot TeaTimer told me),
found
| the last few pieces, and then, finally found glee's post saved from that
| thread, with the important part of renewing the certificates, which I
| did--strange process, that--reloaded ZA Free (last W98 compatible
version)
| and then downloaded the new AVG.
|
| But I decided with all this mess, I'd best uninstall the old, and
install
| fresh. Did that, but it keeps saying the database, last updated on
11/9/06
| is 1826 days old and is thus unsafe--Red flagged, etc. The icon's in
the
| tray, but I'm not certain it's truly active, and this is suspicious,
anyhow,
| and it makes no difference trying to update. When I tried to log on to
the
| AVG free forum, it wouldn't accept my logon, and when they sent me a new
| password, it wouldn't accept that or the next one either. So no AVG
forum.
|
| First thing I found was that every time I open OE under my identity, it
says
| the server's certificate doesn't exist, but allows me to connect when I
| click on it. Then, I find, although it appears to be downloading new
| headers, it never displays them. So I set up my wife's identity to look
at
| win98_gen_discussion and sure enough, they display. But even stranger,
| clicking on a header immediately displays the message in the preview
pane
| (mine has always required spacebar or clicking on the "link" in the
pane)
| *and* none of the threads are expanded (mine always were). I thought
there
| was an option for that somewhere but can't find it.
|
| Anyway, the questions I'm asking are, what could cause the certificate
| damage like that?
|
| What sort of mechanism would cause *just* my OE identity to question the
| certificate for the ISP server, when it doesn't on *this* identity (my
| wife's).
|
| How could anything like this damage my OE identity?
|
| Does anyone know of strange AVG behavior (the update question) like
that?
| Or the forum password difficulty? Incidentally, I think it pretty poor
| practice to deactivate the old version simply because they weren't
| supporting it anymore--would make much more sense just to warn.
|
| Mainly, I'd like to understand a little about what went on here, and how
| these certificates work, as this all came as something of a surprise.
|
| Malware is a *little* unlikely--I'm on dialup, and the most risky sites
the
| machine ever visits is the comics site my wife visits to read '9
chickweed
| lane' every Saturday. I ran a SpyBot scan with clean results and will
try
| some others (e.g., David Lipman's Rx) as I can find the time, but I'm
hoping
| someone has some specific ideas on this.
|
| Apologies for the rambling length of this.
|
| Thanks,
|
| Joe (jt3)
|
|
|
|

Thanks, Glen. (easier not to make mistakes of that sort with the example
right in front, yes? Sorry about the 'n'.) As I replied to Mae, I should
have thought a bit before I pushed the panic button. But a PSU failure can
induce that sort of thing, I think. But I must admit that I had no idea
before this happened that DUN checked the ISP server for a certificate upon
connecting. Anyhow, retrospectively, 20/20 of course, it makes much sense.
If I had no more trouble from the failure than a little corruption of the
CMOS, I guess I'm pretty lucky.

Actually, this all started when I started an experiment, so I was more than
a little anxious. I have an Adaptec SCSI card (to service an HP 5p
scanner); it installs a BIOS that provides 13h extensions if an HD is
involved, so I got a small one, 2G Quantum Fireball, with the idea that if
the extensions were installed, the larger HDs (48bit type) might then be
fully visible, using Rudolph Leow's patch for ESDI506.pdr, such that a
non-boot larger than 127G drive could be used, ala, sort of, XP. Rather
tenuous, of course, but I was in an experimental mode. The PSU felt like an
attack from the rear :-)). But I have yet to get 98 to see the SCSI disk,
so I'm nowhere near the danger point actually :-D)).

Again, thanks,
Joe
"glee" wrote in message
...
After following mae's suggestions of correcting your date and time (and
check your
time zone too), reboot, and post back with what issues still exist.

As for the OE settings for expanding threads and opening news messages,
click Tools
menu Options Read tab, and select them there.

...Glen, with one "n" :-)
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"et" wrote in message
...
First, sorry to pile this all into one post, esp since it might best go
to
the OE ng, but it is more than that . . . After a PSU (rel new, 6 mos.,
Antec) failure last Saturday which caused no damage since it simply
refused
to start the next day, I found that AVG refused to load, telling me I
had to
upgrade to 7.5, and ZA Free wouldn't start either, saying some root
certificates were probably damaged. ZA wouldn't uninst, same message,
and
after using Martau's TUn (old free version), it was still there, much as
mentioned by, I think, Glenn Ventura in a thread some time back.

I ended up weeding it all out, much as I remembered the ZL web site
describes, then still found it was there (SpyBot TeaTimer told me),
found
the last few pieces, and then, finally found glee's post saved from that
thread, with the important part of renewing the certificates, which I
did--strange process, that--reloaded ZA Free (last W98 compatible
version)
and then downloaded the new AVG.

But I decided with all this mess, I'd best uninstall the old, and
install
fresh. Did that, but it keeps saying the database, last updated on
11/9/06
is 1826 days old and is thus unsafe--Red flagged, etc. The icon's in
the
tray, but I'm not certain it's truly active, and this is suspicious,
anyhow,
and it makes no difference trying to update. When I tried to log on to
the
AVG free forum, it wouldn't accept my logon, and when they sent me a new
password, it wouldn't accept that or the next one either. So no AVG
forum.

First thing I found was that every time I open OE under my identity, it
says
the server's certificate doesn't exist, but allows me to connect when I
click on it. Then, I find, although it appears to be downloading new
headers, it never displays them. So I set up my wife's identity to look
at
win98_gen_discussion and sure enough, they display. But even stranger,
clicking on a header immediately displays the message in the preview
pane
(mine has always required spacebar or clicking on the "link" in the
pane)
*and* none of the threads are expanded (mine always were). I thought
there
was an option for that somewhere but can't find it.

Anyway, the questions I'm asking are, what could cause the certificate
damage like that?

What sort of mechanism would cause *just* my OE identity to question the
certificate for the ISP server, when it doesn't on *this* identity (my
wife's).

How could anything like this damage my OE identity?

Does anyone know of strange AVG behavior (the update question) like
that?
Or the forum password difficulty? Incidentally, I think it pretty poor
practice to deactivate the old version simply because they weren't
supporting it anymore--would make much more sense just to warn.

Mainly, I'd like to understand a little about what went on here, and how
these certificates work, as this all came as something of a surprise.

Malware is a *little* unlikely--I'm on dialup, and the most risky sites
the
machine ever visits is the comics site my wife visits to read '9
chickweed
lane' every Saturday. I ran a SpyBot scan with clean results and will
try
some others (e.g., David Lipman's Rx) as I can find the time, but I'm
hoping
someone has some specific ideas on this.

Apologies for the rambling length of this.

Thanks,

Joe (jt3)

If the scsi card's bios is loading (you should see a scsi bios message
detecting scsi devices), the 2GB hard drive should be seen both in msdos and
windows. Whether a scsi hard drive is connected or not has no bearing if
the scsi bios is enabled. The scsi bios will load if enabled. The driver
provided by Adaptec for the scsi card for your version of windows would
allow 32 bit access to the said scsi hard drive.

The scsi bios has no bearing to onboard ide hard drives discovered by the
onboard bios.

The scsi hard drive has to be partitioned and formatted, just like an ide
hard drive. If the scsi bios has an asset for low-level formatting, go
ahead and use that first. Then, partition and format. Such a hard drive,
if adapter and hard drive are ultra or faster, is good alternative location
for the swapfile.

The scsi hard drive should be using scsi ID 0 or 1. The scanner a greater
number of either 0 or 1.
--
Jonny
"jt3" wrote in message
...
Thanks, Glen. (easier not to make mistakes of that sort with the example
right in front, yes? Sorry about the 'n'.) As I replied to Mae, I should
have thought a bit before I pushed the panic button. But a PSU failure
can
induce that sort of thing, I think. But I must admit that I had no idea
before this happened that DUN checked the ISP server for a certificate
upon
connecting. Anyhow, retrospectively, 20/20 of course, it makes much
sense.
If I had no more trouble from the failure than a little corruption of the
CMOS, I guess I'm pretty lucky.

Actually, this all started when I started an experiment, so I was more
than
a little anxious. I have an Adaptec SCSI card (to service an HP 5p
scanner); it installs a BIOS that provides 13h extensions if an HD is
involved, so I got a small one, 2G Quantum Fireball, with the idea that if
the extensions were installed, the larger HDs (48bit type) might then be
fully visible, using Rudolph Leow's patch for ESDI506.pdr, such that a
non-boot larger than 127G drive could be used, ala, sort of, XP. Rather
tenuous, of course, but I was in an experimental mode. The PSU felt like
an
attack from the rear :-)). But I have yet to get 98 to see the SCSI disk,
so I'm nowhere near the danger point actually :-D)).

Again, thanks,
Joe
"glee" wrote in message
...
After following mae's suggestions of correcting your date and time (and
check your
time zone too), reboot, and post back with what issues still exist.

As for the OE settings for expanding threads and opening news messages,
click Tools
menu Options Read tab, and select them there.

...Glen, with one "n" :-)
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"et" wrote in message
...
First, sorry to pile this all into one post, esp since it might best go
to
the OE ng, but it is more than that . . . After a PSU (rel new, 6 mos.,
Antec) failure last Saturday which caused no damage since it simply
refused
to start the next day, I found that AVG refused to load, telling me I
had to
upgrade to 7.5, and ZA Free wouldn't start either, saying some root
certificates were probably damaged. ZA wouldn't uninst, same message,
and
after using Martau's TUn (old free version), it was still there, much
as
mentioned by, I think, Glenn Ventura in a thread some time back.

I ended up weeding it all out, much as I remembered the ZL web site
describes, then still found it was there (SpyBot TeaTimer told me),
found
the last few pieces, and then, finally found glee's post saved from
that
thread, with the important part of renewing the certificates, which I
did--strange process, that--reloaded ZA Free (last W98 compatible
version)
and then downloaded the new AVG.

But I decided with all this mess, I'd best uninstall the old, and
install
fresh. Did that, but it keeps saying the database, last updated on
11/9/06
is 1826 days old and is thus unsafe--Red flagged, etc. The icon's in
the
tray, but I'm not certain it's truly active, and this is suspicious,
anyhow,
and it makes no difference trying to update. When I tried to log on to
the
AVG free forum, it wouldn't accept my logon, and when they sent me a
new
password, it wouldn't accept that or the next one either. So no AVG
forum.

First thing I found was that every time I open OE under my identity, it
says
the server's certificate doesn't exist, but allows me to connect when I
click on it. Then, I find, although it appears to be downloading new
headers, it never displays them. So I set up my wife's identity to
look
at
win98_gen_discussion and sure enough, they display. But even stranger,
clicking on a header immediately displays the message in the preview
pane
(mine has always required spacebar or clicking on the "link" in the
pane)
*and* none of the threads are expanded (mine always were). I thought
there
was an option for that somewhere but can't find it.

Anyway, the questions I'm asking are, what could cause the certificate
damage like that?

What sort of mechanism would cause *just* my OE identity to question
the
certificate for the ISP server, when it doesn't on *this* identity (my
wife's).

How could anything like this damage my OE identity?

Does anyone know of strange AVG behavior (the update question) like
that?
Or the forum password difficulty? Incidentally, I think it pretty poor
practice to deactivate the old version simply because they weren't
supporting it anymore--would make much more sense just to warn.

Mainly, I'd like to understand a little about what went on here, and
how
these certificates work, as this all came as something of a surprise.

Malware is a *little* unlikely--I'm on dialup, and the most risky sites
the
machine ever visits is the comics site my wife visits to read '9
chickweed
lane' every Saturday. I ran a SpyBot scan with clean results and will
try
some others (e.g., David Lipman's Rx) as I can find the time, but I'm
hoping
someone has some specific ideas on this.

Apologies for the rambling length of this.

Thanks,

Joe (jt3)

Actually, if the HD is *not* connected, the BIOS *does not* load, and a
message is provided to that effect during boot. When the HD *is* connected,
the BIOS *does* load, and a message says so.

This is in agreement with what Adaptec says in the small brochure that
accompanied the card.

I have previously both run the Adaptec surface scan and the formatting
procedure provided by the Adaptec BIOS. Makes no difference to whether or
not the drive show in 98. It doesn't. No matter what I seem to try.

The Quantum's info decal suggests, without actually saying so, that
*presence* of the 'term' jumper block provides a terminating resistance
network, but a web site I found from a retailer says explicitly that
termination requires jumper block removal. No matter, tried both ways,
makes no difference.

The Adaptec card is set to 'autoterminate' as per their instructions, so
presumably it 'unterminates' the adapter when the HD is installed. I
haven't yet tried explicitly setting this in the BIOS, but that's probably
my next step.

The odd part is that the BIOS seems to see it just as it should, but W98
doesn't. The scanner is terminated with a plug-in network, and worked just
fine for a couple of years prior to trying the HD.

One reason, as I suggested, that I wanted to try this, is that the Adaptec
blurb says that the BIOS supplies 13h extensions for large hard disks, and
while realizing that the words may not be conveying the meaning that I have
been curious to discover, if the extensions are installed in the normal
manner, it would be by hooking 13h and if the extensions were the same for
either bus, then there would be just a chance it might work. Hence the
empirical approach.

Anyhow, I still would want to make the SCSI HD work, no matter whether the
13h extensions only worked on a SCSI drive or not.

Thanks for your input,
Joe
"Jonny" wrote in message
...
If the scsi card's bios is loading (you should see a scsi bios message
detecting scsi devices), the 2GB hard drive should be seen both in msdos
and
windows. Whether a scsi hard drive is connected or not has no bearing if
the scsi bios is enabled. The scsi bios will load if enabled. The driver
provided by Adaptec for the scsi card for your version of windows would
allow 32 bit access to the said scsi hard drive.

The scsi bios has no bearing to onboard ide hard drives discovered by the
onboard bios.

The scsi hard drive has to be partitioned and formatted, just like an ide
hard drive. If the scsi bios has an asset for low-level formatting, go
ahead and use that first. Then, partition and format. Such a hard drive,
if adapter and hard drive are ultra or faster, is good alternative
location
for the swapfile.

The scsi hard drive should be using scsi ID 0 or 1. The scanner a greater
number of either 0 or 1.
--
Jonny
"jt3" wrote in message
...
Thanks, Glen. (easier not to make mistakes of that sort with the
example
right in front, yes? Sorry about the 'n'.) As I replied to Mae, I
should
have thought a bit before I pushed the panic button. But a PSU failure
can
induce that sort of thing, I think. But I must admit that I had no idea
before this happened that DUN checked the ISP server for a certificate
upon
connecting. Anyhow, retrospectively, 20/20 of course, it makes much
sense.
If I had no more trouble from the failure than a little corruption of
the
CMOS, I guess I'm pretty lucky.

Actually, this all started when I started an experiment, so I was more
than
a little anxious. I have an Adaptec SCSI card (to service an HP 5p
scanner); it installs a BIOS that provides 13h extensions if an HD is
involved, so I got a small one, 2G Quantum Fireball, with the idea that
if
the extensions were installed, the larger HDs (48bit type) might then be
fully visible, using Rudolph Leow's patch for ESDI506.pdr, such that a
non-boot larger than 127G drive could be used, ala, sort of, XP. Rather
tenuous, of course, but I was in an experimental mode. The PSU felt
like
an
attack from the rear :-)). But I have yet to get 98 to see the SCSI
disk,
so I'm nowhere near the danger point actually :-D)).

Again, thanks,
Joe
"glee" wrote in message
...
After following mae's suggestions of correcting your date and time (and
check your
time zone too), reboot, and post back with what issues still exist.

As for the OE settings for expanding threads and opening news messages,
click Tools
menu Options Read tab, and select them there.

...Glen, with one "n" :-)
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"et" wrote in message
...
First, sorry to pile this all into one post, esp since it might best
go
to
the OE ng, but it is more than that . . . After a PSU (rel new, 6
mos.,
Antec) failure last Saturday which caused no damage since it simply
refused
to start the next day, I found that AVG refused to load, telling me I
had to
upgrade to 7.5, and ZA Free wouldn't start either, saying some root
certificates were probably damaged. ZA wouldn't uninst, same
message,
and
after using Martau's TUn (old free version), it was still there, much
as
mentioned by, I think, Glenn Ventura in a thread some time back.

I ended up weeding it all out, much as I remembered the ZL web site
describes, then still found it was there (SpyBot TeaTimer told me),
found
the last few pieces, and then, finally found glee's post saved from
that
thread, with the important part of renewing the certificates, which I
did--strange process, that--reloaded ZA Free (last W98 compatible
version)
and then downloaded the new AVG.

But I decided with all this mess, I'd best uninstall the old, and
install
fresh. Did that, but it keeps saying the database, last updated on
11/9/06
is 1826 days old and is thus unsafe--Red flagged, etc. The icon's in
the
tray, but I'm not certain it's truly active, and this is suspicious,
anyhow,
and it makes no difference trying to update. When I tried to log on
to
the
AVG free forum, it wouldn't accept my logon, and when they sent me a
new
password, it wouldn't accept that or the next one either. So no AVG
forum.

First thing I found was that every time I open OE under my identity,
it
says
the server's certificate doesn't exist, but allows me to connect when
I
click on it. Then, I find, although it appears to be downloading new
headers, it never displays them. So I set up my wife's identity to
look
at
win98_gen_discussion and sure enough, they display. But even
stranger,
clicking on a header immediately displays the message in the preview
pane
(mine has always required spacebar or clicking on the "link" in the
pane)
*and* none of the threads are expanded (mine always were). I thought
there
was an option for that somewhere but can't find it.

Anyway, the questions I'm asking are, what could cause the
certificate
damage like that?

What sort of mechanism would cause *just* my OE identity to question
the
certificate for the ISP server, when it doesn't on *this* identity
(my
wife's).

How could anything like this damage my OE identity?

Does anyone know of strange AVG behavior (the update question) like
that?
Or the forum password difficulty? Incidentally, I think it pretty
poor
practice to deactivate the old version simply because they weren't
supporting it anymore--would make much more sense just to warn.

Mainly, I'd like to understand a little about what went on here, and
how
these certificates work, as this all came as something of a surprise.

Malware is a *little* unlikely--I'm on dialup, and the most risky
sites
the
machine ever visits is the comics site my wife visits to read '9
chickweed
lane' every Saturday. I ran a SpyBot scan with clean results and
will
try
some others (e.g., David Lipman's Rx) as I can find the time, but I'm
hoping
someone has some specific ideas on this.

Apologies for the rambling length of this.

Thanks,

Joe (jt3)

http://www.drivesolutions.com/info/aboutbios.shtml
See 528-Mbyte Limitation
http://www.drivesolutions.com/info/aboutscsi.shtml
See IDs and Termination
--
Jonny
"jt3" wrote in message
...
Actually, if the HD is *not* connected, the BIOS *does not* load, and a
message is provided to that effect during boot. When the HD *is*
connected,
the BIOS *does* load, and a message says so.

This is in agreement with what Adaptec says in the small brochure that
accompanied the card.

I have previously both run the Adaptec surface scan and the formatting
procedure provided by the Adaptec BIOS. Makes no difference to whether or
not the drive show in 98. It doesn't. No matter what I seem to try.

The Quantum's info decal suggests, without actually saying so, that
*presence* of the 'term' jumper block provides a terminating resistance
network, but a web site I found from a retailer says explicitly that
termination requires jumper block removal. No matter, tried both ways,
makes no difference.

The Adaptec card is set to 'autoterminate' as per their instructions, so
presumably it 'unterminates' the adapter when the HD is installed. I
haven't yet tried explicitly setting this in the BIOS, but that's probably
my next step.

The odd part is that the BIOS seems to see it just as it should, but W98
doesn't. The scanner is terminated with a plug-in network, and worked
just
fine for a couple of years prior to trying the HD.

One reason, as I suggested, that I wanted to try this, is that the Adaptec
blurb says that the BIOS supplies 13h extensions for large hard disks, and
while realizing that the words may not be conveying the meaning that I
have
been curious to discover, if the extensions are installed in the normal
manner, it would be by hooking 13h and if the extensions were the same for
either bus, then there would be just a chance it might work. Hence the
empirical approach.

Anyhow, I still would want to make the SCSI HD work, no matter whether the
13h extensions only worked on a SCSI drive or not.

Thanks for your input,
Joe
"Jonny" wrote in message
...
If the scsi card's bios is loading (you should see a scsi bios message
detecting scsi devices), the 2GB hard drive should be seen both in msdos
and
windows. Whether a scsi hard drive is connected or not has no bearing if
the scsi bios is enabled. The scsi bios will load if enabled. The
driver
provided by Adaptec for the scsi card for your version of windows would
allow 32 bit access to the said scsi hard drive.

The scsi bios has no bearing to onboard ide hard drives discovered by the
onboard bios.

The scsi hard drive has to be partitioned and formatted, just like an ide
hard drive. If the scsi bios has an asset for low-level formatting, go
ahead and use that first. Then, partition and format. Such a hard
drive,
if adapter and hard drive are ultra or faster, is good alternative
location
for the swapfile.

The scsi hard drive should be using scsi ID 0 or 1. The scanner a
greater
number of either 0 or 1.
--
Jonny
"jt3" wrote in message
...
Thanks, Glen. (easier not to make mistakes of that sort with the
example
right in front, yes? Sorry about the 'n'.) As I replied to Mae, I
should
have thought a bit before I pushed the panic button. But a PSU failure
can
induce that sort of thing, I think. But I must admit that I had no
idea
before this happened that DUN checked the ISP server for a certificate
upon
connecting. Anyhow, retrospectively, 20/20 of course, it makes much
sense.
If I had no more trouble from the failure than a little corruption of
the
CMOS, I guess I'm pretty lucky.

Actually, this all started when I started an experiment, so I was more
than
a little anxious. I have an Adaptec SCSI card (to service an HP 5p
scanner); it installs a BIOS that provides 13h extensions if an HD is
involved, so I got a small one, 2G Quantum Fireball, with the idea that
if
the extensions were installed, the larger HDs (48bit type) might then
be
fully visible, using Rudolph Leow's patch for ESDI506.pdr, such that a
non-boot larger than 127G drive could be used, ala, sort of, XP.
Rather
tenuous, of course, but I was in an experimental mode. The PSU felt
like
an
attack from the rear :-)). But I have yet to get 98 to see the SCSI
disk,
so I'm nowhere near the danger point actually :-D)).

Again, thanks,
Joe
"glee" wrote in message
...
After following mae's suggestions of correcting your date and time
(and
check your
time zone too), reboot, and post back with what issues still exist.

As for the OE settings for expanding threads and opening news
messages,
click Tools
menu Options Read tab, and select them there.

...Glen, with one "n" :-)
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"et" wrote in message
...
First, sorry to pile this all into one post, esp since it might best
go
to
the OE ng, but it is more than that . . . After a PSU (rel new, 6
mos.,
Antec) failure last Saturday which caused no damage since it simply
refused
to start the next day, I found that AVG refused to load, telling me
I
had to
upgrade to 7.5, and ZA Free wouldn't start either, saying some root
certificates were probably damaged. ZA wouldn't uninst, same
message,
and
after using Martau's TUn (old free version), it was still there,
much
as
mentioned by, I think, Glenn Ventura in a thread some time back.

I ended up weeding it all out, much as I remembered the ZL web site
describes, then still found it was there (SpyBot TeaTimer told me),
found
the last few pieces, and then, finally found glee's post saved from
that
thread, with the important part of renewing the certificates, which
I
did--strange process, that--reloaded ZA Free (last W98 compatible
version)
and then downloaded the new AVG.

But I decided with all this mess, I'd best uninstall the old, and
install
fresh. Did that, but it keeps saying the database, last updated on
11/9/06
is 1826 days old and is thus unsafe--Red flagged, etc. The icon's
in
the
tray, but I'm not certain it's truly active, and this is suspicious,
anyhow,
and it makes no difference trying to update. When I tried to log on
to
the
AVG free forum, it wouldn't accept my logon, and when they sent me a
new
password, it wouldn't accept that or the next one either. So no AVG
forum.

First thing I found was that every time I open OE under my identity,
it
says
the server's certificate doesn't exist, but allows me to connect
when
I
click on it. Then, I find, although it appears to be downloading
new
headers, it never displays them. So I set up my wife's identity to
look
at
win98_gen_discussion and sure enough, they display. But even
stranger,
clicking on a header immediately displays the message in the preview
pane
(mine has always required spacebar or clicking on the "link" in the
pane)
*and* none of the threads are expanded (mine always were). I
thought
there
was an option for that somewhere but can't find it.

Anyway, the questions I'm asking are, what could cause the
certificate
damage like that?

What sort of mechanism would cause *just* my OE identity to question
the
certificate for the ISP server, when it doesn't on *this* identity
(my
wife's).

How could anything like this damage my OE identity?

Does anyone know of strange AVG behavior (the update question) like
that?
Or the forum password difficulty? Incidentally, I think it pretty
poor
practice to deactivate the old version simply because they weren't
supporting it anymore--would make much more sense just to warn.

Mainly, I'd like to understand a little about what went on here, and
how
these certificates work, as this all came as something of a
surprise.

Malware is a *little* unlikely--I'm on dialup, and the most risky
sites
the
machine ever visits is the comics site my wife visits to read '9
chickweed
lane' every Saturday. I ran a SpyBot scan with clean results and
will
try
some others (e.g., David Lipman's Rx) as I can find the time, but
I'm
hoping
someone has some specific ideas on this.

Apologies for the rambling length of this.

Thanks,

Joe (jt3)

Again, thank you for your effort and time.

Joe
"Jonny" wrote in message
...
http://www.drivesolutions.com/info/aboutbios.shtml
See 528-Mbyte Limitation
http://www.drivesolutions.com/info/aboutscsi.shtml
See IDs and Termination
--
Jonny
"jt3" wrote in message
...
Actually, if the HD is *not* connected, the BIOS *does not* load, and a
message is provided to that effect during boot. When the HD *is*
connected,
the BIOS *does* load, and a message says so.

This is in agreement with what Adaptec says in the small brochure that
accompanied the card.

I have previously both run the Adaptec surface scan and the formatting
procedure provided by the Adaptec BIOS. Makes no difference to whether
or
not the drive show in 98. It doesn't. No matter what I seem to try.

The Quantum's info decal suggests, without actually saying so, that
*presence* of the 'term' jumper block provides a terminating resistance
network, but a web site I found from a retailer says explicitly that
termination requires jumper block removal. No matter, tried both ways,
makes no difference.

The Adaptec card is set to 'autoterminate' as per their instructions, so
presumably it 'unterminates' the adapter when the HD is installed. I
haven't yet tried explicitly setting this in the BIOS, but that's
probably
my next step.

The odd part is that the BIOS seems to see it just as it should, but W98
doesn't. The scanner is terminated with a plug-in network, and worked
just
fine for a couple of years prior to trying the HD.

One reason, as I suggested, that I wanted to try this, is that the
Adaptec
blurb says that the BIOS supplies 13h extensions for large hard disks,
and
while realizing that the words may not be conveying the meaning that I
have
been curious to discover, if the extensions are installed in the normal
manner, it would be by hooking 13h and if the extensions were the same
for
either bus, then there would be just a chance it might work. Hence the
empirical approach.

Anyhow, I still would want to make the SCSI HD work, no matter whether
the
13h extensions only worked on a SCSI drive or not.

Thanks for your input,
Joe
"Jonny" wrote in message
...
If the scsi card's bios is loading (you should see a scsi bios message
detecting scsi devices), the 2GB hard drive should be seen both in
msdos
and
windows. Whether a scsi hard drive is connected or not has no bearing
if
the scsi bios is enabled. The scsi bios will load if enabled. The
driver
provided by Adaptec for the scsi card for your version of windows would
allow 32 bit access to the said scsi hard drive.

The scsi bios has no bearing to onboard ide hard drives discovered by
the
onboard bios.

The scsi hard drive has to be partitioned and formatted, just like an
ide
hard drive. If the scsi bios has an asset for low-level formatting, go
ahead and use that first. Then, partition and format. Such a hard
drive,
if adapter and hard drive are ultra or faster, is good alternative
location
for the swapfile.

The scsi hard drive should be using scsi ID 0 or 1. The scanner a
greater
number of either 0 or 1.
--
Jonny
"jt3" wrote in message
...
Thanks, Glen. (easier not to make mistakes of that sort with the
example
right in front, yes? Sorry about the 'n'.) As I replied to Mae, I
should
have thought a bit before I pushed the panic button. But a PSU
failure
can
induce that sort of thing, I think. But I must admit that I had no
idea
before this happened that DUN checked the ISP server for a
certificate
upon
connecting. Anyhow, retrospectively, 20/20 of course, it makes much
sense.
If I had no more trouble from the failure than a little corruption of
the
CMOS, I guess I'm pretty lucky.

Actually, this all started when I started an experiment, so I was
more
than
a little anxious. I have an Adaptec SCSI card (to service an HP 5p
scanner); it installs a BIOS that provides 13h extensions if an HD is
involved, so I got a small one, 2G Quantum Fireball, with the idea
that
if
the extensions were installed, the larger HDs (48bit type) might then
be
fully visible, using Rudolph Leow's patch for ESDI506.pdr, such that
a
non-boot larger than 127G drive could be used, ala, sort of, XP.
Rather
tenuous, of course, but I was in an experimental mode. The PSU felt
like
an
attack from the rear :-)). But I have yet to get 98 to see the SCSI
disk,
so I'm nowhere near the danger point actually :-D)).

Again, thanks,
Joe
"glee" wrote in message
...
After following mae's suggestions of correcting your date and time
(and
check your
time zone too), reboot, and post back with what issues still exist.

As for the OE settings for expanding threads and opening news
messages,
click Tools
menu Options Read tab, and select them there.

...Glen, with one "n" :-)
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"et" wrote in message
...
First, sorry to pile this all into one post, esp since it might
best
go
to
the OE ng, but it is more than that . . . After a PSU (rel new, 6
mos.,
Antec) failure last Saturday which caused no damage since it
simply
refused
to start the next day, I found that AVG refused to load, telling
me
I
had to
upgrade to 7.5, and ZA Free wouldn't start either, saying some
root
certificates were probably damaged. ZA wouldn't uninst, same
message,
and
after using Martau's TUn (old free version), it was still there,
much
as
mentioned by, I think, Glenn Ventura in a thread some time back.

I ended up weeding it all out, much as I remembered the ZL web
site
describes, then still found it was there (SpyBot TeaTimer told
me),
found
the last few pieces, and then, finally found glee's post saved
from
that
thread, with the important part of renewing the certificates,
which
I
did--strange process, that--reloaded ZA Free (last W98 compatible
version)
and then downloaded the new AVG.

But I decided with all this mess, I'd best uninstall the old, and
install
fresh. Did that, but it keeps saying the database, last updated
on
11/9/06
is 1826 days old and is thus unsafe--Red flagged, etc. The icon's
in
the
tray, but I'm not certain it's truly active, and this is
suspicious,
anyhow,
and it makes no difference trying to update. When I tried to log
on
to
the
AVG free forum, it wouldn't accept my logon, and when they sent me
a
new
password, it wouldn't accept that or the next one either. So no
AVG
forum.

First thing I found was that every time I open OE under my
identity,
it
says
the server's certificate doesn't exist, but allows me to connect
when
I
click on it. Then, I find, although it appears to be downloading
new
headers, it never displays them. So I set up my wife's identity
to
look
at
win98_gen_discussion and sure enough, they display. But even
stranger,
clicking on a header immediately displays the message in the
preview
pane
(mine has always required spacebar or clicking on the "link" in
the
pane)
*and* none of the threads are expanded (mine always were). I
thought
there
was an option for that somewhere but can't find it.

Anyway, the questions I'm asking are, what could cause the
certificate
damage like that?

What sort of mechanism would cause *just* my OE identity to
question
the
certificate for the ISP server, when it doesn't on *this* identity
(my
wife's).

How could anything like this damage my OE identity?

Does anyone know of strange AVG behavior (the update question)
like
that?
Or the forum password difficulty? Incidentally, I think it pretty
poor
practice to deactivate the old version simply because they weren't
supporting it anymore--would make much more sense just to warn.

Mainly, I'd like to understand a little about what went on here,
and
how
these certificates work, as this all came as something of a
surprise.

Malware is a *little* unlikely--I'm on dialup, and the most risky
sites
the
machine ever visits is the comics site my wife visits to read '9
chickweed
lane' every Saturday. I ran a SpyBot scan with clean results and
will
try
some others (e.g., David Lipman's Rx) as I can find the time, but
I'm
hoping
someone has some specific ideas on this.

Apologies for the rambling length of this.

Thanks,

Joe (jt3)

well i have tried the steps and am still lost hehhe

First, sorry to pile this all into one post, esp since it might best go to
the OE ng, but it is more than that . . . After a PSU (rel new, 6 mos.,
Antec) failure last Saturday which caused no damage since it simply refused
to start the next day, I found that AVG refused to load, telling me I had to
upgrade to 7.5, and ZA Free wouldn't start either, saying some root
certificates were probably damaged. ZA wouldn't uninst, same message, and
after using Martau's TUn (old free version), it was still there, much as
mentioned by, I think, Glenn Ventura in a thread some time back.

I ended up weeding it all out, much as I remembered the ZL web site
describes, then still found it was there (SpyBot TeaTimer told me), found
the last few pieces, and then, finally found glee's post saved from that
thread, with the important part of renewing the certificates, which I
did--strange process, that--reloaded ZA Free (last W98 compatible version)
and then downloaded the new AVG.

But I decided with all this mess, I'd best uninstall the old, and install
fresh. Did that, but it keeps saying the database, last updated on 11/9/06
is 1826 days old and is thus unsafe--Red flagged, etc. The icon's in the
tray, but I'm not certain it's truly active, and this is suspicious, anyhow,
and it makes no difference trying to update. When I tried to log on to the
AVG free forum, it wouldn't accept my logon, and when they sent me a new
password, it wouldn't accept that or the next one either. So no AVG forum.

First thing I found was that every time I open OE under my identity, it says
the server's certificate doesn't exist, but allows me to connect when I
click on it. Then, I find, although it appears to be downloading new
headers, it never displays them. So I set up my wife's identity to look at
win98_gen_discussion and sure enough, they display. But even stranger,
clicking on a header immediately displays the message in the preview pane
(mine has always required spacebar or clicking on the "link" in the pane)
*and* none of the threads are expanded (mine always were). I thought there
was an option for that somewhere but can't find it.

Anyway, the questions I'm asking are, what could cause the certificate
damage like that?

What sort of mechanism would cause *just* my OE identity to question the
certificate for the ISP server, when it doesn't on *this* identity (my
wife's).

How could anything like this damage my OE identity?

Does anyone know of strange AVG behavior (the update question) like that?
Or the forum password difficulty? Incidentally, I think it pretty poor
practice to deactivate the old version simply because they weren't
supporting it anymore--would make much more sense just to warn.

Mainly, I'd like to understand a little about what went on here, and how
these certificates work, as this all came as something of a surprise.

Malware is a *little* unlikely--I'm on dialup, and the most risky sites the
machine ever visits is the comics site my wife visits to read '9 chickweed
lane' every Saturday. I ran a SpyBot scan with clean results and will try
some others (e.g., David Lipman's Rx) as I can find the time, but I'm hoping
someone has some specific ideas on this.

Apologies for the rambling length of this.

Thanks,

Joe (jt3)