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In message , Bill in Co
writes: thanatoid wrote: philo wrote in : Almost makes me want to run win98 again I love it. The LITE version. Active Desktop etc. are unbearable. I never ran Active Desktop with Win98SE - you don't need the Lite version for that. What other "etc" you're talking about, who knows. Win98SE is, in itself, pretty light. Well, essentials like graded-colour title bars, and other eye-candy ... -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf My daughter, if you love this man it doesn't mean you love god less |
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message ... In message , Bill in Co writes: thanatoid wrote: philo wrote in : Almost makes me want to run win98 again I love it. The LITE version. Active Desktop etc. are unbearable. I never ran Active Desktop with Win98SE - you don't need the Lite version for that. What other "etc" you're talking about, who knows. Win98SE is, in itself, pretty light. Well, essentials like graded-colour title bars, and other eye-candy ... Just for the heck of it...I fired up a P-1 I had in the workshop . Booted to Win98 and I installed Kernelex Though the Firefox download page said the OS was not supported... it gave me the option to download it. Once downloaded, it installed and worked fine. |
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philo wrote in
: On 03/26/2011 09:17 PM, Bill in Co wrote: thanatoid wrote: wrote in : Almost makes me want to run win98 again I love it. The LITE version. Active Desktop etc. are unbearable. I never ran Active Desktop with Win98SE - you don't need the Lite version for that. What other "etc" you're talking about, who knows. Win98SE is, in itself, pretty light. Yes. I've run Win Lite... but Win98 unmodified works fine on most any p-1 and up with at least 64 megs of RAM. 98SE Lite uses 3 main system files from 95B, so it is in fact "smaller" than 98 first edition. I hate "everything shows as a web page" with idiot tips on the left which 98 introduced. When I first used it I had a p-1 75mhz with 40 megs of RAM. I eventually upgraded the machine to 200mhz and 128 megs of ram and it performed very well. The only reason I eventually moved on to Win2k was because I was continually plugging in and removing USB devices and even if I used the devices properly I'd occasionally lock up the system. Never happened once with win2k Well, I wish /I/ would get to the point where I have to be "continually plugging in and removing USB devices" ! Unfortunately, the one driver (for USB1.1) which I tried from the link you provided did not work. However, I have DL'd a whole bunch of them from all over the place and this will take some more time... I also have about 5 or 6 DOS programs, and may try laplink, since it is supposed to compress, and so be faster, than a standard serial connection (like the one Total Commander offers as a plug-in). If worst comes to worst, I will just do what I did for 4 years - burn a CD-RW on one or the other machine depending on what I needed to do. Computers are our friends. Sigh. |
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 06:02:10 +0000 (UTC), thanatoid
put finger to keyboard and composed: I have spent several days searching, I have all of Maximum Decim's drives from 2.00 to 3.3, and the tiny Italian driver which is supposed to work wonders, "wtgenusb" - it installs but does not function properly and there's nothing I can do. I'm using version 3.x of the Maximus Decim driver set without any problems on an M571 board with onboard SiS 7001 USB 1.1 host controller. If your add-on board has a VIA chipset, then these have known issues. VIA Tips and Tricks: http://www.usbman.com/Guides/VIA%20T...d%20Tricks.htm Microsoft has a UVCView utility that can identify your USB devices and controllers, even in the absence of drivers: http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/USB...VCView.x86.exe - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. |
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Franc Zabkar wrote in
: On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 06:02:10 +0000 (UTC), thanatoid put finger to keyboard and composed: I have spent several days searching, I have all of Maximum Decim's drives from 2.00 to 3.3, and the tiny Italian driver which is supposed to work wonders, "wtgenusb" - it installs but does not function properly and there's nothing I can do. I'm using version 3.x of the Maximus Decim driver set without any problems on an M571 board with onboard SiS 7001 USB 1.1 host controller. If your add-on board has a VIA chipset, then these have known issues. The 3.3 driver works like a charm on my 98SELite installed on a Compaq EVO D510, but I am not having such luck with the 166MHz machine... VIA Tips and Tricks: http://www.usbman.com/Guides/VIA%20T...d%20Tricks.htm Microsoft has a UVCView utility that can identify your USB devices and controllers, even in the absence of drivers: http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/USB...VCView.x86.exe Thanks for the reply. The add-on card is just 2 USB connectors and wires that go into the MB. Now that I know the onboard controller is a SIS it should make this a little easier. And thanks for the link to your utility, hopefully it will confirm what I think I have. I will keep you guys posted... |
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thanatoid wrote:
philo wrote in : On 03/26/2011 09:17 PM, Bill in Co wrote: thanatoid wrote: wrote in : Almost makes me want to run win98 again I love it. The LITE version. Active Desktop etc. are unbearable. I never ran Active Desktop with Win98SE - you don't need the Lite version for that. What other "etc" you're talking about, who knows. Win98SE is, in itself, pretty light. Yes. I've run Win Lite... but Win98 unmodified works fine on most any p-1 and up with at least 64 megs of RAM. 98SE Lite uses 3 main system files from 95B, so it is in fact "smaller" than 98 first edition. But all of them are bantamweights! I hate "everything shows as a web page" with idiot tips on the left which 98 introduced. I disabled all that (just like Active Desktop). Pretty easy to do. The benefits then being that you can still run Win98SE, and get the best of all worlds, since you have the latest and most complete version of Win98 that way. It just takes a few minutes to disable some of the "etc", which takes all of ten minutes. :-) I can see one possible advantage in running Win98 Lite, and that might be for someone trying to run Win98 on, say, 64K of RAM, or using a 100 MHz CPU. But, let's get real! :-) When I first used it I had a p-1 75mhz with 40 megs of RAM. I eventually upgraded the machine to 200mhz and 128 megs of ram and it performed very well. The only reason I eventually moved on to Win2k was because I was continually plugging in and removing USB devices and even if I used the devices properly I'd occasionally lock up the system. Never happened once with win2k Well, I wish /I/ would get to the point where I have to be "continually plugging in and removing USB devices" ! Unfortunately, the one driver (for USB1.1) which I tried from the link you provided did not work. However, I have DL'd a whole bunch of them from all over the place and this will take some more time... I also have about 5 or 6 DOS programs, and may try laplink, since it is supposed to compress, and so be faster, than a standard serial connection (like the one Total Commander offers as a plug-in). If worst comes to worst, I will just do what I did for 4 years - burn a CD-RW on one or the other machine depending on what I needed to do. Computers are our friends. Sigh. |
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"thanatoid" wrote in message
... Franc Zabkar wrote in : On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 06:02:10 +0000 (UTC), thanatoid put finger to keyboard and composed: I have spent several days searching, I have all of Maximum Decim's drives from 2.00 to 3.3, and the tiny Italian driver which is supposed to work wonders, "wtgenusb" - it installs but does not function properly and there's nothing I can do. I'm using version 3.x of the Maximus Decim driver set without any problems on an M571 board with onboard SiS 7001 USB 1.1 host controller. If your add-on board has a VIA chipset, then these have known issues. The 3.3 driver works like a charm on my 98SELite installed on a Compaq EVO D510, but I am not having such luck with the 166MHz machine... VIA Tips and Tricks: http://www.usbman.com/Guides/VIA%20T...d%20Tricks.htm Microsoft has a UVCView utility that can identify your USB devices and controllers, even in the absence of drivers: http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/USB...VCView.x86.exe Thanks for the reply. The add-on card is just 2 USB connectors and wires that go into the MB. Now that I know the onboard controller is a SIS it should make this a little easier. And thanks for the link to your utility, hopefully it will confirm what I think I have. I will keep you guys posted... How long has this Belkin USB card been installed? Did you just put it in, or has it been there a while? Did it ever work? Does it work with other devices? Does the card have its own Win98 drivers or is it a newer card that does not have them? What model is the card? Did you check the Belkin web site for drivers? Is it a USB 2.0 card? I installed a USB 2.0 card in an old Pentium system years ago, and it would not function if the "Enhanced USB Host Controller" (which is the USB 2.0 controller) was installed. If I removed the Enhanced Controller from Device Manager and did not allow it to reinstall (leaving it banged out in DM as an unknown device), the card functioned as USB 1.1 ports with no problems, using a 2.x version of the Maximus Decim mass storage drivers. Most of the 3rd-party USB generic drivers like the Italian driver, only provide support for the plugged-in mass storage devices, not for the card itself. The 3.x versions, but NOT the 2.x versions of the Maximus Decim drivers, supply Enhanced drivers for the card also, but you have to make sure you first remove any Enhanced USB 2.0 drivers that were installed with the card originally, IIRC. -- Glen Ventura MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009 CompTIA A+ http://dts-l.net/ |
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"philo" wrote in message ... On 03/26/2011 01:14 PM, Hot-text wrote: "philo" wrote in message ... On 03/26/2011 01:02 AM, thanatoid wrote: Hello again, This is about a 1997 PCChips M572 MB, a Belkin 2 port USB card, and USB drivers to get the whole thing to work. It appears quite a few people HAVE done it, but I have had very limited success, and have yet to see a stick flashing after being plugged in. I should mention I have installed Win98SELite on this machine, and it is running just fine. I also upgraded the BIOS to the latest version from 1999. AMong many others, I read a thread from someone who tried to do the same thing and mentioned some of the same weird error messages ("CPU setting incorrect", etc.) but with some perseverance I managed to overcome all those problems and everything is working just fine. I have saved this new configuration - and I also have the original BIOS config saved. I know you guys know a lot about older stuff. In fact, in 2007 we participated in a thread about getting USB to work with the very same Belkin 2-port card for the PCChips M572 MB. I have since managed to correctly (yes, I did it wrong then) connect this card to my MB, and Device Manager shows 2 USB ports as working correctly. The problem is that when I plug in a USB flash drive, nothing happens. I have spent several days searching, I have all of Maximum Decim's drives from 2.00 to 3.3, and the tiny Italian driver which is supposed to work wonders, "wtgenusb" - it installs but does not function properly and there's nothing I can do. I also tried to install Kingston Data Traveler II drivers (these are the sticks I use) but it will not install properly for reasons I do not understand. All that ends up in its direwctory is *eject.exe (I forget) and two inf files, both 0 bytes. No wonder it does nothing. I did get /somewhere/ with the 2.23 version of Max Decim - it actually showed "Pen Drive something" in Device Manager, but still, nothing worked. I want to try ALL the Max Decim drivers, especially the 2.x versions, but in trying the 2 or 3 I have tried so far I keep on running into a rather annoying problem. After I remove all the MS USB stuff in the Device Manager, whether in normal of safe mode, and I install Max Decim, which then asks for a reboot, when I am (re)booting into Windows, Windows claims to have found "new hardware" and installs the very same drivers I just removed prior to the Max Decim install. I have gone through this nearly 10 times by now, and it keeps on happening. A vicious circle. I am really fond of this 1996 computer, and while for a few years I really did not need to use it, I could REALLY use it now. Plus my KVM switch is feeling unneeded! Do you have any suggestions? Thanks, t. did you see this page: http://www.thinkcp.com/techsupport/driver.asp Good job and the right Info! Almost makes me want to run win98 again In to day world you can have your cake and eat it too! -- http://hot-text.ath.cx |
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"thanatoid" wrote in message ... Franc Zabkar wrote in : On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 06:02:10 +0000 (UTC), thanatoid put finger to keyboard and composed: I have spent several days searching, I have all of Maximum Decim's drives from 2.00 to 3.3, and the tiny Italian driver which is supposed to work wonders, "wtgenusb" - it installs but does not function properly and there's nothing I can do. I'm using version 3.x of the Maximus Decim driver set without any problems on an M571 board with onboard SiS 7001 USB 1.1 host controller. If your add-on board has a VIA chipset, then these have known issues. The 3.3 driver works like a charm on my 98SELite installed on a Compaq EVO D510, but I am not having such luck with the 166MHz machine... VIA Tips and Tricks: http://www.usbman.com/Guides/VIA%20T...d%20Tricks.htm Microsoft has a UVCView utility that can identify your USB devices and controllers, even in the absence of drivers: http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/USB...VCView.x86.exe Thanks for the reply. The add-on card is just 2 USB connectors and wires that go into the MB. Now that I know the onboard controller is a SIS it should make this a little easier. And thanks for the link to your utility, hopefully it will confirm what I think I have. I will keep you guys posted... onboard controller is a SIS so it a Compaq You need to go to HP, for the update to the SIS drives for Windows 98! Everest Home Edition pc diagnostics, by: Lavalys http://www.majorgeeks.com/download4181.html -- http://hot-text.ath.cx |
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"glee" wrote in message ... "thanatoid" wrote in message ... Franc Zabkar wrote in : On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 06:02:10 +0000 (UTC), thanatoid put finger to keyboard and composed: I have spent several days searching, I have all of Maximum Decim's drives from 2.00 to 3.3, and the tiny Italian driver which is supposed to work wonders, "wtgenusb" - it installs but does not function properly and there's nothing I can do. I'm using version 3.x of the Maximus Decim driver set without any problems on an M571 board with onboard SiS 7001 USB 1.1 host controller. If your add-on board has a VIA chipset, then these have known issues. The 3.3 driver works like a charm on my 98SELite installed on a Compaq EVO D510, but I am not having such luck with the 166MHz machine... VIA Tips and Tricks: http://www.usbman.com/Guides/VIA%20T...d%20Tricks.htm Microsoft has a UVCView utility that can identify your USB devices and controllers, even in the absence of drivers: http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/USB...VCView.x86.exe Thanks for the reply. The add-on card is just 2 USB connectors and wires that go into the MB. Now that I know the onboard controller is a SIS it should make this a little easier. And thanks for the link to your utility, hopefully it will confirm what I think I have. I will keep you guys posted... How long has this Belkin USB card been installed? Did you just put it in, or has it been there a while? Did it ever work? Does it work with other devices? Does the card have its own Win98 drivers or is it a newer card that does not have them? What model is the card? Did you check the Belkin web site for drivers? Is it a USB 2.0 card? I installed a USB 2.0 card in an old Pentium system years ago, and it would not function if the "Enhanced USB Host Controller" (which is the USB 2.0 controller) was installed. If I removed the Enhanced Controller from Device Manager and did not allow it to reinstall (leaving it banged out in DM as an unknown device), the card functioned as USB 1.1 ports with no problems, using a 2.x version of the Maximus Decim mass storage drivers. Most of the 3rd-party USB generic drivers like the Italian driver, only provide support for the plugged-in mass storage devices, not for the card itself. The 3.x versions, but NOT the 2.x versions of the Maximus Decim drivers, supply Enhanced drivers for the card also, but you have to make sure you first remove any Enhanced USB 2.0 drivers that were installed with the card originally, IIRC. So true Glen Ventura that why I like you here to Belkin Drives for USB 2.0 http://web.belkin.com/support/downlo...1&lang=1&mode= -- http://mynews.ath.cx |
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