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  #31  
Old April 5th 08, 02:38 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
Mike M
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there is no I.E. on the drive,

By the way Internet Explorer is present on the system as it is a component
part of Win Me. I assume therefore you mean that it has never been
updated to IE6, something I feel you should do as a matter of urgency once
you have recovered your system.
--
Mike Maltby



William B. Lurie wrote:

Mike, there is no I.E. on the drive, and no Media Player 9. Does
that make the reinstall more practical?


  #32  
Old April 5th 08, 02:43 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
Mart
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Bill asked :-

BTW...this is a long thread; should I start a new one?


No! - continue with this one. But you may wish to snip some of it - see
below.

In the meantime :-

USB Camera, Printer, etc., etc., Ah! - there's your likely conflicts!
especially if they are still connected. You MUST disconnect them at this
stage and re-install them later according to the device manufacturers
instructions.

Again, are the USB ports associated the "PCI Multimedia Device" ?
If so, you'll have to pull that card (assuming its a card) and install it
later according to the manufacturers instructions. As with all USB devices,
not all 'simply plug'n'play' first time. Some often need to be 'conditioned'
as per the user handbook before they can start to be 'hot swapped'. And if
its a PCI to USB adapter card, you certainly will need to read the
installation instructions and install the accompanying drivers.

BTW - there's no specific need at this stage to remove programs, but
removing printers etc. will need to be done in due course. But you must try
to start with minimal hardware connected and connect one item at a time to
see if you hit any obstacles.

Thanks for giving me good advice...and courage.


I'm sure that on behalf of others who have also contributed, you're most
welcome. You'll get there!!

Mart



"William B. Lurie" wrote in message
...
Well, Mart, I got bold and (laboriously) opened all of
the condensed categories and removed all that it would allow
me to. There were four under Primary and Secondary IDE Disk
Controllers that it wouldn't let me remove, no matter what
I tried, so I just proceeded from there.

I'm a little confused as to what exactly I did next, but I
believe it allowed me to Restart, F8 to Normal Mode, at least
once. I then used Add/Remove to get rid of old programs, and
obsolete printers, and I finally got myself to a cleaner
system.........only now I hang at the dash prompt again.

But now I'm not scared any more, and I'm going to unplug the USB
(new) printer and web camera, and go back and remove all devices
again. Maybe I'll get to where it will boot Normal again.
Incidentally, at one point it asked for the CD for installing
something I don't need (I forget what) and I didn't bother with it.

Thanks for giving me good advice...and courage.
BTW...this is a long thread; should I start a new one?


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  #33  
Old April 5th 08, 02:46 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
Mike M
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And - It looks like we've reverted to the intermittent phantom

Mart,

I'm finding the NGs a bit slow sometimes taking an age to download the
headers. As for phantoms, I'm seeing an intermittent one in Win Me
Printing that's been around now for two or three weeks but am not seeing
one in this NG. A problem that is Microsoft's fault as they have not
implemented the RFC correctly in Outlook Express since they take the
article count as 100% correct between the high and low water marks on the
server whereas the RFC states that this should be taken as an approx count
only. One known cause of a problem can be a cancelled message which no
longer exists but had a message number allocated.

Other news readers such as Forte Agent don't have this problem. Not that
I like Agent although I gather it is better now than it used to be.
--
Mike Maltby



Mart wrote:

I would most strongly concur with you Mike, overinstalling WinMe on
itself after undertaking (most of, if not) all of the WinMe Updates
is a disaster waiting to happen - BTDT. Or "Version Soup" - as Noel
Paton so eloquently described it.

But in the case of this particular thread, as you rightly pointed out
earlier "Note that removing all entries in Dev.Man is standard
procedure whenever a system disk is moved to new hardware regardless
of the operating system in use. In this respect Win Me is no
different from either Win 98, W2K or XP."

And - It looks like we've reverted to the intermittent phantom "1
message not downloaded" phenomenon on this News Group which I've not
seen for some time g Was it this same NG we saw it happening last
time?


  #34  
Old April 5th 08, 03:03 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
Mart
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Hi Mike,

Thanks for the update. The NG seems to have behaved itself so far today -
but then it's early g

In the meantime, I'm away for the rest of the day/evening so I'm sure you'll
guide and oversee Bill on the next part of his quest g

Mart


"Mike M" wrote in message
...
And - It looks like we've reverted to the intermittent phantom


Mart,

I'm finding the NGs a bit slow sometimes taking an age to download the
headers. As for phantoms, I'm seeing an intermittent one in Win Me
Printing that's been around now for two or three weeks but am not seeing
one in this NG. A problem that is Microsoft's fault as they have not
implemented the RFC correctly in Outlook Express since they take the
article count as 100% correct between the high and low water marks on the
server whereas the RFC states that this should be taken as an approx count
only. One known cause of a problem can be a cancelled message which no
longer exists but had a message number allocated.

Other news readers such as Forte Agent don't have this problem. Not that
I like Agent although I gather it is better now than it used to be.
--
Mike Maltby



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  #35  
Old April 5th 08, 03:23 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
William B. Lurie
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Latest progress: I've gone around 3 times now, and
each time I remove more. I have not yet pulled
the USB connectors for webcam, and of course I
can't pull the monitor USB plug. On next pass I'll pull
the webcam (it isn't easy to identify and get at).
And also the Ethernet connection, which I do not
intend to use with this ME system.

But for now, maybe you'd care to advise about the self-
installation of 5 files that it can't find, and I can't
supply.

It wants to install hidclass.sys hidpause.sys
hidvkc.sys mouse.drv msmon.vxd from
C:\windows\options\cabs and it doesn't find
them, and I can't supply them because, even when
I manage to boot to Safe Mode, it doesn't see my
CD drive, so I can't lead it to the CD. That in itself
requires some advice.......

Over to you, Mike......

William B. Lurie wrote:
Thanks, Ron. The CD that I have is what I used years ago, an "upgrade"
from 98 to M.E. And there's no XP or Vista involved here.

Ron Martell wrote:
"William B. Lurie" wrote:

That's the best I can describe it.
I have a hard drive from my old PC
with ME on it. It won't boot in Normal
Mode in my new PC, I suspect because
it was mad with a different BIOS.

However, it boots just fine in Safe Mode.
Is there a way to get around this?
(I hope I made it clear enough).
Thanks.


If you have an installation CD for the Windows Me then the best way to
resolve these issues is to boot with that CD and do a "Repair Install"
of Windows Me.

These instructions are for Windows XP but the procedure for Vista is
pretty well the same.
http://michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.html

Good luck

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada

  #36  
Old April 5th 08, 04:54 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
Mike M
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Until you remove everything from Dev.Man. then I'm sorry but you are
wasting both your and our time. You should also have NOTHING whatsoever
connected to the box other than keyboard and mouse whilst trying to get
the old hard disk up and running, least of all any external usb devices.
All the more so if these various devices were not connected to the system
whose hard disk you are now using.

Over to you, Mike......


I'm sorry but not really much point until you follow the earlier advice
but I'll try.

If you are being asked for files that are part of the basic Win Me
operating system such as those you mention either insert your Win Me CD
or, perhaps better, ensure that the registry is correctly pointing to the
location where these files are stored on your hard disk which will be
usually be either C:\Windows\Options\Install or C:\Windows\Options\Cabs,
which depending on the original media used to install the system,
Microsoft media uses the ..\Install folder whilst OEM media normally uses
the ..\Cabs folder. Note however that some OEM manufacturers, for reasons
unknown, chose to place the Win Me cab set in different locations,
sometimes even on a different partition (nothing wrong with that) but then
failed to enter the correct location in the registry which was a cardinal
sin and the cause of many problems.

You can check this by booting to Safe Mode, I'm assuming you can still get
to Safe Mode OK, and then running regedit. (start | Run enter regedit and
then click OK and in the left hand pane browse to the key (clicking the +
sign to open branches)
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup
and then in the right hand pane looking for the value "SourcePath".
This should point at the folder containing the Win Me cab files. If it
does not, in the right hand pane double click "SourcePath" and edit the
contents of the Value data box to point to the correct folder. When you
have done this Win Me will be able to, correctly, automatically retrieve
any files that it requires without further user intervention unless the
files concerned are for a third party device. In such cases you should
download and use the Win Me drivers from the manufacturer's web site but
don't do that until Win Me itself is properly up and running.

Best of luck.
--
Mike Maltby



William B. Lurie wrote:

Latest progress: I've gone around 3 times now, and
each time I remove more. I have not yet pulled
the USB connectors for webcam, and of course I
can't pull the monitor USB plug. On next pass I'll pull
the webcam (it isn't easy to identify and get at).
And also the Ethernet connection, which I do not
intend to use with this ME system.

But for now, maybe you'd care to advise about the self-
installation of 5 files that it can't find, and I can't
supply.

It wants to install hidclass.sys hidpause.sys
hidvkc.sys mouse.drv msmon.vxd from
C:\windows\options\cabs and it doesn't find
them, and I can't supply them because, even when
I manage to boot to Safe Mode, it doesn't see my
CD drive, so I can't lead it to the CD. That in itself
requires some advice.......

Over to you, Mike......


  #37  
Old April 5th 08, 05:58 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
William B. Lurie
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Mike, I realize that I am trying your patience, but I am
trying to follow instructions, which sometimes lead to places
on CDs or in C: that I am not able to reach.

As of now, I am unable to remove 4 IDE drive controllers
from the Dev. Manager. I would gladly do so, but in none
of the dozen go-around have I been able to. So, ipso facto,
by your statement, I am wasting your time and mine.

As of my last attempt (before booting back to my main system)
I removed all connections other than power, monitor, keyboard
and mouse. Even the Ethernet connection I removed.

Now regarding the files in C:\.....cab, at the time it's
requesting them, C: is the ME system, and the Browse button
gives no other option. My CD drive is not shown as an option,
so until we 'reinstall' that drive, I can't read from it. I
note that in installing all the drivers, it installed one for
the CD in Device Manager, but the drive is not shown in Explorer
as being there.

I can go to Registry comfortably, but as for ancestry of the
ME system, I installed it myself years ago, as an upgrade to
the Win 98, which was OEM installed and I have the CD from
which that installation was made.

I will read your further instructions as to what to do in
Registry, in more detail. I don't mind going there, but I have
to understand what to change once I'm there.

So I *am* complying with instructions as well as I am able.
By the way, after everything that can install, IS installed
in Safe Mode, it tells me to Restart, and I click to restart,
and it always hangs there, in MSGRV52(Not Responding), and I
have to Ctrl-Alt-Del to kill it in the Task Manager list. Just
another thorn in my side while I crawl along.

Mike M wrote:
Until you remove everything from Dev.Man. then I'm sorry but you are
wasting both your and our time. You should also have NOTHING whatsoever
connected to the box other than keyboard and mouse whilst trying to get
the old hard disk up and running, least of all any external usb devices.
All the more so if these various devices were not connected to the
system whose hard disk you are now using.

Over to you, Mike......


I'm sorry but not really much point until you follow the earlier advice
but I'll try.

If you are being asked for files that are part of the basic Win Me
operating system such as those you mention either insert your Win Me CD
or, perhaps better, ensure that the registry is correctly pointing to
the location where these files are stored on your hard disk which will
be usually be either C:\Windows\Options\Install or
C:\Windows\Options\Cabs, which depending on the original media used to
install the system, Microsoft media uses the ..\Install folder whilst
OEM media normally uses the ..\Cabs folder. Note however that some OEM
manufacturers, for reasons unknown, chose to place the Win Me cab set in
different locations, sometimes even on a different partition (nothing
wrong with that) but then failed to enter the correct location in the
registry which was a cardinal sin and the cause of many problems.

You can check this by booting to Safe Mode, I'm assuming you can still
get to Safe Mode OK, and then running regedit. (start | Run enter
regedit and then click OK and in the left hand pane browse to the key
(clicking the + sign to open branches)
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup
and then in the right hand pane looking for the value "SourcePath".
This should point at the folder containing the Win Me cab files. If it
does not, in the right hand pane double click "SourcePath" and edit the
contents of the Value data box to point to the correct folder. When you
have done this Win Me will be able to, correctly, automatically retrieve
any files that it requires without further user intervention unless the
files concerned are for a third party device. In such cases you should
download and use the Win Me drivers from the manufacturer's web site but
don't do that until Win Me itself is properly up and running.

Best of luck.

  #38  
Old April 5th 08, 06:29 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
William B. Lurie
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And now, Mike, a short while later, I return from having
examined Registry. What is there, is exactly what it
says as the location of the files it needs. Then, according to
what you told me, it will find them unless the files concerned
are for a third party device. So that's my next obstacle.
Is my next step, then, to contact HP, the manufacturer of
this new machine, and ask him how I can download a CAB by
that name, which is for this application in this machine?
If so, I'm sure it would be a dead end.

William B. Lurie wrote:
Mike, I realize that I am trying your patience, but I am
trying to follow instructions, which sometimes lead to places
on CDs or in C: that I am not able to reach.

As of now, I am unable to remove 4 IDE drive controllers
from the Dev. Manager. I would gladly do so, but in none
of the dozen go-around have I been able to. So, ipso facto,
by your statement, I am wasting your time and mine.

As of my last attempt (before booting back to my main system)
I removed all connections other than power, monitor, keyboard
and mouse. Even the Ethernet connection I removed.

Now regarding the files in C:\.....cab, at the time it's
requesting them, C: is the ME system, and the Browse button
gives no other option. My CD drive is not shown as an option,
so until we 'reinstall' that drive, I can't read from it. I
note that in installing all the drivers, it installed one for
the CD in Device Manager, but the drive is not shown in Explorer
as being there.

I can go to Registry comfortably, but as for ancestry of the
ME system, I installed it myself years ago, as an upgrade to
the Win 98, which was OEM installed and I have the CD from
which that installation was made.

I will read your further instructions as to what to do in
Registry, in more detail. I don't mind going there, but I have
to understand what to change once I'm there.

So I *am* complying with instructions as well as I am able.
By the way, after everything that can install, IS installed
in Safe Mode, it tells me to Restart, and I click to restart,
and it always hangs there, in MSGRV52(Not Responding), and I
have to Ctrl-Alt-Del to kill it in the Task Manager list. Just
another thorn in my side while I crawl along.

Mike M wrote:
Until you remove everything from Dev.Man. then I'm sorry but you are
wasting both your and our time. You should also have NOTHING
whatsoever connected to the box other than keyboard and mouse whilst
trying to get the old hard disk up and running, least of all any
external usb devices. All the more so if these various devices were
not connected to the system whose hard disk you are now using.

Over to you, Mike......


I'm sorry but not really much point until you follow the earlier
advice but I'll try.

If you are being asked for files that are part of the basic Win Me
operating system such as those you mention either insert your Win Me
CD or, perhaps better, ensure that the registry is correctly pointing
to the location where these files are stored on your hard disk which
will be usually be either C:\Windows\Options\Install or
C:\Windows\Options\Cabs, which depending on the original media used to
install the system, Microsoft media uses the ..\Install folder whilst
OEM media normally uses the ..\Cabs folder. Note however that some
OEM manufacturers, for reasons unknown, chose to place the Win Me cab
set in different locations, sometimes even on a different partition
(nothing wrong with that) but then failed to enter the correct
location in the registry which was a cardinal sin and the cause of
many problems.

You can check this by booting to Safe Mode, I'm assuming you can still
get to Safe Mode OK, and then running regedit. (start | Run enter
regedit and then click OK and in the left hand pane browse to the key
(clicking the + sign to open branches)
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup
and then in the right hand pane looking for the value "SourcePath".
This should point at the folder containing the Win Me cab files. If
it does not, in the right hand pane double click "SourcePath" and edit
the contents of the Value data box to point to the correct folder.
When you have done this Win Me will be able to, correctly,
automatically retrieve any files that it requires without further user
intervention unless the files concerned are for a third party device.
In such cases you should download and use the Win Me drivers from the
manufacturer's web site but don't do that until Win Me itself is
properly up and running.

Best of luck.

  #39  
Old April 5th 08, 08:45 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
Mike M
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You've lost me now. You should need nothing from HP to get Win Me up and
running. When you have done that, and NOT before, you can start adding in
third party drivers such as that for your motherboard chipset. If you are
saying the motherboard is from HP then you should hopefully be able to
obtain all the drivers you need from the HP web site.

Incidentally, drivers are most unlikely to be provided as a cab file. In
most cases these will be in the form of an exe or zip file which when run
creates a folder to which you then point the properties sheet for the
device in question so as to add the driver or, as can also be the case, an
exe file that when run installs the driver plus quite often other third
party utilities - this latter often being the method used by HP to install
their printers.

The one problem I now realise is that HP may well have removed all Win me
drivers from their web site including those for your PC. Win Me is long
out of support and I know that HP removed virtually all Win Me drivers for
their printers a couple of years ago.

I hate to say this but just as one needs to learn to walk before one can
run the same is true of getting your PC up and running with the
transferred hard drive. Get Win Me running and taking you to the desktop
in Normal Mode and then and ONLY then think about installing
manufacturer's drivers for your hardware.
--
Mike Maltby



William B. Lurie wrote:

And now, Mike, a short while later, I return from having
examined Registry. What is there, is exactly what it
says as the location of the files it needs. Then, according to
what you told me, it will find them unless the files concerned
are for a third party device. So that's my next obstacle.
Is my next step, then, to contact HP, the manufacturer of
this new machine, and ask him how I can download a CAB by
that name, which is for this application in this machine?
If so, I'm sure it would be a dead end.


  #40  
Old April 5th 08, 09:07 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
Mike M
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As of now, I am unable to remove 4 IDE drive controllers
from the Dev. Manager.


Don't worry leave these.

I will read your further instructions as to what to do in
Registry, in more detail. I don't mind going there, but I have
to understand what to change once I'm there.


My earlier post went into precise detail. I have nothing to add.

gives no other option. My CD drive is not shown as an option,
so until we 'reinstall' that drive,


If you are looking Safe Mode then this is perfectly normal. This being
one of the reasons it's called Safe Mode.

in Safe Mode, it tells me to Restart, and I click to restart,
and it always hangs there, in MSGRV52(Not Responding),


Oh dear, you have some hardware that is hanging Dev.Man on the reboot.
(BTW msgsrv32 not 52). Msgsrv32 is waiting for a reply from some none
functioning component. Msgsrv32 is simply the messenger, the problem
nearly always lies elsewhere and that's your hardware which is why it is
ESSENTIAL to have NOTHING connected other than the bare minimum (which has
been said before). Strip the box back so that al that is connected to the
motherboard is your hard drive, video card (possibly built-in), keyboard
and mouse. Then try again. Once you have Win Me booting in Normal Mode
to the desktop you can start adding back bits.

See MS KB Q138708 - "Function of the Windows 32-Bit Message Server"
(http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=138708).
--
Mike Maltby



William B. Lurie wrote:

Mike, I realize that I am trying your patience, but I am
trying to follow instructions, which sometimes lead to places
on CDs or in C: that I am not able to reach.

As of now, I am unable to remove 4 IDE drive controllers
from the Dev. Manager. I would gladly do so, but in none
of the dozen go-around have I been able to. So, ipso facto,
by your statement, I am wasting your time and mine.

As of my last attempt (before booting back to my main system)
I removed all connections other than power, monitor, keyboard
and mouse. Even the Ethernet connection I removed.

Now regarding the files in C:\.....cab, at the time it's
requesting them, C: is the ME system, and the Browse button
gives no other option. My CD drive is not shown as an option,
so until we 'reinstall' that drive, I can't read from it. I
note that in installing all the drivers, it installed one for
the CD in Device Manager, but the drive is not shown in Explorer
as being there.

I can go to Registry comfortably, but as for ancestry of the
ME system, I installed it myself years ago, as an upgrade to
the Win 98, which was OEM installed and I have the CD from
which that installation was made.

I will read your further instructions as to what to do in
Registry, in more detail. I don't mind going there, but I have
to understand what to change once I'm there.

So I *am* complying with instructions as well as I am able.
By the way, after everything that can install, IS installed
in Safe Mode, it tells me to Restart, and I click to restart,
and it always hangs there, in MSGRV52(Not Responding), and I
have to Ctrl-Alt-Del to kill it in the Task Manager list. Just
another thorn in my side while I crawl along.


 




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