MS05-002 on 9x and ME

#61 March 28th 05, 06:41 AM

Colorado! It's one for all, & all for one, she says. Draw your sword, &
make that phone call! I will be your second, if necessary! Me 'n
Chauvin!

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]"
wrote in message ...
| Call.
|
| Flat out call. I cannot stress enough that if people don't call
| Microsoft does not have the 'dead bodies' to then determine what is
| going on.
|
| If you don't call, they cannot determine what is wrong from newsgroup
posts.
|
| I have many eons ago where I called in and others have benefitted from
| this communication.
|
| Don't do this for Microsoft's benefit, do this for your fellow
computer
| user.
|
| Bill in Co. wrote:
| Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:
|
| Then call PSS.
|
| I cannot replicate the issue, you can. If you have a system that
can
| replicate this you do others a service by calling in.
|
| It 'cannot' be handled in a newsgroup.
|
|
| Doesn't look like it can be handled by MS, either.
|
|
| Rick Chauvin wrote:
|
| Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:
|
|
| Rick?
|
| Why not upgrade to IE6 sp1?
|
| http://snipurl.com/4bgz
|
|
| Hi Susan,
| I do have IE6SP1 installed.
| Why did you think I didn't?
| Anyway I can assure you SP1 was never fixed with this problem and I
have
|
| two
|
| different computers in front of me with the problem right now.
|
| My intention was not to overtake this MS05-002 thread about the
issue and
|
| I'm
|
| not sure now how to avoid that, my only intention was to just get
the
| attention of those who are in the top positions at MS to affect
change.
|
| Rick
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| --
| An open letter to the Security Community::
| http://msmvps.com/bradley/archive/2004/12/12/23540.aspx
|
|
|
|
| --
| An open letter to the Security Community::
| http://msmvps.com/bradley/archive/2004/12/12/23540.aspx

#62 March 28th 05, 06:58 AM

Do you know the story of Don Quixote?

Anyway, the DLL swap works great for me. What I really don't need is more
windmills to play with (than I already have).

PCR wrote:
Colorado! It's one for all, & all for one, she says. Draw your sword, &
make that phone call! I will be your second, if necessary! Me 'n
Chauvin!

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]"
wrote in message ...
Call.

Flat out call. I cannot stress enough that if people don't call
Microsoft does not have the 'dead bodies' to then determine what is
going on.

If you don't call, they cannot determine what is wrong from newsgroup
posts.

I have many eons ago where I called in and others have benefitted from
this communication.

Don't do this for Microsoft's benefit, do this for your fellow computer
user.

Bill in Co. wrote:
Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:

Then call PSS.

I cannot replicate the issue, you can. If you have a system that can
replicate this you do others a service by calling in.

It 'cannot' be handled in a newsgroup.

Doesn't look like it can be handled by MS, either.

Rick Chauvin wrote:

Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:

Rick?

Why not upgrade to IE6 sp1?

http://snipurl.com/4bgz

Hi Susan,
I do have IE6SP1 installed.
Why did you think I didn't?
Anyway I can assure you SP1 was never fixed with this problem and I
have

two

different computers in front of me with the problem right now.

My intention was not to overtake this MS05-002 thread about the issue
and

I'm

not sure now how to avoid that, my only intention was to just get the
attention of those who are in the top positions at MS to affect
change.

Rick

--
An open letter to the Security Community::
http://msmvps.com/bradley/archive/2004/12/12/23540.aspx

--
An open letter to the Security Community::
http://msmvps.com/bradley/archive/2004/12/12/23540.aspx

#63 March 28th 05, 07:03 AM

glee wrote:
I don't doubt for a moment that you and Bill and many others have the
problem
with SP1, I just don't understand why it only seems to show up on a
relatively small percentage of systems.

Really? But who really knows the percentage?

I saw many issues with the original
release of IE6 on Win98, and avoided installing it till SP1 came out

Did you ever report the issues to MS via the PSS phone number, at the time
they first appeared, or did you just report them in the newsgroups? I
would
suggest, even at this late date, that you report the issues by calling 1
(866) PCSAFETY, and if possible have any archived newsgroup messages handy
that show the issue is more widespread than just a few machines. If the
issue can be reproduced by the MS support team, perhaps they would
discover
the cause. --
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Rick Chauvin" wrote in message
...
glee wrote:
This is what I have been wondering about, as all the machines I support
(including my own) with Win98SE have IE6 SP1 installed, and I have
*never*
seen this problem......and I quite often perform the procedures
mentioned
as being the cause. --
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

I hear you and have always respected what you have to say Glen.

I just don't have an explanation why you have not seen it? ..and I'm
interested.

My experience has been the opposite. I know you've been around a
long time and so I'm sure you've seen all the posts about it last year
and
before when it kept coming up? Anyway I can reproduce it at any moment.
Maybe the MVP programmer in charge can get with cquirke since he has the
depth of experience to carry out. I will help out where I can.

Naturally I have IE6SP1 with all the latest updates installed with
Nothing
else running in the background and can reproduce this at will.

The only difference that I have that others may not is that on my boxes I
triple boot between 9x, W2K, & WXP but where each is specifically Fat32
for
my own requirements. What that may mean to a programmer is that I'm open
across partitions where normally it's recommend to hide partitions or
have
2K or XP NTFS at the same time. I also prefer to use the simplicity of
pqboot as my preferred booter. I also run a controller cards on all
computers for the many advantages that gives me. That's the only
uniqueness
of my setups that I have used forever, otherwise all is normal. If any
of
those things are an issue - which if any - it could only be that having
the
three particular OS combinations on unhidden FAT32 partitions ..then so
be
it; However, if cquirke says he does not do that - then that eliminates
that
and then it's clear then that with IE6SP1 there is Still a problem.

Hopefully Chris will jump in here with his explanations of his setup and
more
insight about it as he has much more computer hands on experience than I
to
detail this; but I will always help where I can but would only prefer to
work
with those who are in charge and who have the power to make changes.
My only goal is for results and I never care who is right or wrong even
if
it's me who is wrong - that's fine, I just want to focus on the truth and
get
results.

Thank you,

Rick

#64 March 28th 05, 07:15 AM

#65 March 28th 05, 07:48 AM

News to me, and I've seen precious little evidence of that being the
case. Just the opposite, I've been involved in many cases over the years
where it was obvious that nobody was watching, that they were depending
on "vigilantes", if you will, to do it for them.

Note that there are "moderated" forums in the developer arenas that MS
does watch, providing a 24-hour response guarantee--if no MVP or
"private citizen" properly responds to an issue raised in those forums
within 24 hours, someone from MS will take up the case. This is part of
the service promised by MSDN and TechNet.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Hugh Candlin" wrote in message
...

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...

...Except to say that, no, MS does not normally monitor these
newsgroups.

They do, mon capitain, they most certainly do.

I have seen the help wanted ads which confirm this,
in which Microsoft has advertised for people
to monitor newsgroups and provide reports
to management on issues which are determined
to be significant enough to warrant escalation.

#66 March 28th 05, 08:24 AM

#67 March 28th 05, 09:05 AM

glee wrote:
Reports from others that had the problem with IE6 and no longer had it with SP1,
including computers where I work.

The "WE hangs/crashes when deleting large numbers of files" ?

What kind of computers are at your work ?

thanks

Rick

#68 March 28th 05, 09:14 AM

Ivan Bútora wrote:
I'll call them, but I can't guarantee that it would be earlier than three weeks from now! So PCR, you might want to give it a shot.

Be a few weeks for me too (I'm temporarily with Win2K): my solution for
WinME was to patch 5.x and install Firefox. Don't know if M$ keeps
postings to this NG anywheres, a year or so ago(?) I detailed the
problem in the WinME forums.

Or to put in language M$ may understand, my solution to "a humoungous
patch which didn't improve anything" was to change vendors from M$.

Win2K, so far, isn't a big enough improvement over ME to justify using
it for a long while... a Linux distribution may be next in the cards for me.

rpl
Rick T

"PCR" wrote in message ...

I guess. Anyway, if MS finds out you take no criticals, you could end up
a deader body than Bradley already suspects you to be!

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
| Do you know the story of Don Quixote?
|
| Anyway, the DLL swap works great for me. What I really don't need is
more
| windmills to play with (than I already have).
|
| PCR wrote:
| Colorado! It's one for all, & all for one, she says. Draw your
sword, &
| make that phone call! I will be your second, if necessary! Me 'n
| Chauvin!
|
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| should things get worse after this,
| PCR
|
| "Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]"

| wrote in message ...
| Call.
|
| Flat out call. I cannot stress enough that if people don't call
| Microsoft does not have the 'dead bodies' to then determine what is
| going on.
|
| If you don't call, they cannot determine what is wrong from
newsgroup
| posts.
|
| I have many eons ago where I called in and others have benefitted
from
| this communication.
|
| Don't do this for Microsoft's benefit, do this for your fellow
computer
| user.
|
| Bill in Co. wrote:
| Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:
|
| Then call PSS.
|
| I cannot replicate the issue, you can. If you have a system that
can
| replicate this you do others a service by calling in.
|
| It 'cannot' be handled in a newsgroup.
|
|
| Doesn't look like it can be handled by MS, either.
|
|
| Rick Chauvin wrote:
|
| Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:
|
|
| Rick?
|
| Why not upgrade to IE6 sp1?
|
| http://snipurl.com/4bgz
|
|
| Hi Susan,
| I do have IE6SP1 installed.
| Why did you think I didn't?
| Anyway I can assure you SP1 was never fixed with this problem
and I
| have
|
| two
|
| different computers in front of me with the problem right now.
|
| My intention was not to overtake this MS05-002 thread about the
issue
| and
|
| I'm
|
| not sure now how to avoid that, my only intention was to just
get the
| attention of those who are in the top positions at MS to affect
| change.
|
| Rick
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| --
| An open letter to the Security Community::
| http://msmvps.com/bradley/archive/2004/12/12/23540.aspx
|
|
|
|
| --
| An open letter to the Security Community::
| http://msmvps.com/bradley/archive/2004/12/12/23540.aspx
|
|

#69 March 28th 05, 10:35 AM

Rick, so you're saying that the Explorer problem with moving/deleting large quantities of files also applies to Windows Me, based on your experience? Or even Windows 2000? (I'm not talking about KB 891711 here.)

By the way, it is theoretically possible to use an up-to-date IE 5.5 SP2 installation even for Windows 98 - I think you just have to manually unpack the security patches and then you could apply them. Either way, that doesn't change the issue.

Ivan

"Rick T" wrote in message ...
Ivan Bútora wrote:
I'll call them, but I can't guarantee that it would be earlier than three weeks from now! So PCR, you might want to give it a shot.

Be a few weeks for me too (I'm temporarily with Win2K): my solution for
WinME was to patch 5.x and install Firefox. Don't know if M$ keeps
postings to this NG anywheres, a year or so ago(?) I detailed the
problem in the WinME forums.

Or to put in language M$ may understand, my solution to "a humoungous
patch which didn't improve anything" was to change vendors from M$.

Win2K, so far, isn't a big enough improvement over ME to justify using
it for a long while... a Linux distribution may be next in the cards for me.

rpl
Rick T

"PCR" wrote in message ...

I guess. Anyway, if MS finds out you take no criticals, you could end up
a deader body than Bradley already suspects you to be!

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
| Do you know the story of Don Quixote?
|
| Anyway, the DLL swap works great for me. What I really don't need is
more
| windmills to play with (than I already have).
|
| PCR wrote:
| Colorado! It's one for all, & all for one, she says. Draw your
sword, &
| make that phone call! I will be your second, if necessary! Me 'n
| Chauvin!
|
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| should things get worse after this,
| PCR
|
| "Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]"

| wrote in message ...
| Call.
|
| Flat out call. I cannot stress enough that if people don't call
| Microsoft does not have the 'dead bodies' to then determine what is
| going on.
|
| If you don't call, they cannot determine what is wrong from
newsgroup
| posts.
|
| I have many eons ago where I called in and others have benefitted
from
| this communication.
|
| Don't do this for Microsoft's benefit, do this for your fellow
computer
| user.
|
| Bill in Co. wrote:
| Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:
|
| Then call PSS.
|
| I cannot replicate the issue, you can. If you have a system that
can
| replicate this you do others a service by calling in.
|
| It 'cannot' be handled in a newsgroup.
|
|
| Doesn't look like it can be handled by MS, either.
|
|
| Rick Chauvin wrote:
|
| Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:
|
|
| Rick?
|
| Why not upgrade to IE6 sp1?
|
| http://snipurl.com/4bgz
|
|
| Hi Susan,
| I do have IE6SP1 installed.
| Why did you think I didn't?
| Anyway I can assure you SP1 was never fixed with this problem
and I
| have
|
| two
|
| different computers in front of me with the problem right now.
|
| My intention was not to overtake this MS05-002 thread about the
issue
| and
|
| I'm
|
| not sure now how to avoid that, my only intention was to just
get the
| attention of those who are in the top positions at MS to affect
| change.
|
| Rick
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| --
| An open letter to the Security Community::
| http://msmvps.com/bradley/archive/2004/12/12/23540.aspx
|
|
|
|
| --
| An open letter to the Security Community::
| http://msmvps.com/bradley/archive/2004/12/12/23540.aspx
|
|

#70 March 28th 05, 11:42 AM

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 07:11:14 -0800, John Corliss
John Corliss wrote:
Jerry Bryant [MSFT] wrote:

Microsoft has received reports about issues with KB891711 on Windows
98, Windows 98 SE and Windows ME. At this point, we have been able to
confirm these reports and are currently working on a resolution.

By the way, on the off chance that it might be an issue with my graphics
setup, here is what I have:

P4 1.9 ghz with 256 mb of RDRAM. As for the graphics card, it's a
Leadtek WinFast(R) A280LE with an nVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200 chip running
in an AGP8X slot. Driver is from nVIDIA, is dated 07/03/2002 and the
version is 4.13.01.3100.

In the absence of tech detail on this resident patch, I have to guess
that it intercepts access to certain material and modified how it is
processed. That the patch involves icons and problems may be linked
to SVGA, suggests the second possible point of failu

1) Duelling content interceptors

Think resident av and anti-c(ommercial)m(alware), Zone Alarm with
email protection, various media indexers, etc.

2) SVGA issues

Not just SVGA drivers, but other players in that space; mouse drivers,
and non-driver featureware.

Applying (2) to your case, I'd ask:

Do you have any of nVidia's desktop enhancements enabled, such
multiple virtual desktops, transparency, etc.? Try turning that off

What driver and featureware versions, and installation history of
these? For example, did you start with your card's driver CD that
autoran and installed both drivers and featureware, and then later
download a newer driver (only) and install that via Update Driver,
so that it may version-soup with older featureware?

Do you have any mouse enhancements, such as "special" mouse drivers,
Comet Cursor, etc.? Does setpping back the SVGA performance slider by
one notch (to disable mouse pointer acceleration) help?

Do you have any other visual enhancement software, such as on-screen
magnifiers (MSs or ZoomText) or gamma setting stuff?

Are you overclocking anything, including the guts of the SVGA card?

How's your mileage on:
- Safe Mode
- Safe Mode after explicitly running the patch? Is it resident?
- Normal mode with all Startup suppressed in MSConfig?
- Normal mode with only the patch enabled in Startup in MSConfig?
- SVGA Acceleration slider, each notch?
- SVGA 256 (8-bit) and other color depths?

Trickier to test (caution: may be a pain to undo!):
- SVGA 16 (4-bit) color depth (disables hware accel)?
- vanilla VGA drivers?

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