MS05-002 on 9x and ME

Could you be more specific about those sources?

"Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]" wrote in message ...
Sources that I'm reading is that sp1 fixed it?

Rick T wrote:
glee wrote:

Did you try it yourself, or are you going on what someone else told
you? Have you
installed IE6 SP1 yourself to see if it fixed the problem?


I'm currently auditing Win2K, so I'm going by memory...

Installing IE6 caused that problem as well as what felt like a task
priorities problem (mouse would freeze for a few seconds occasionally)
... and since SP1 is over a year old (and I only installed 2K last
month) I'm going to take it for granted that I tried it with SP1 with
the same result.


Rick T

P3, VIA Apollo+, 512MB

--
An open letter to the Security Community::
http://msmvps.com/bradley/archive/2004/12/12/23540.aspx

Reports from others that had the problem with IE6 and no longer had it with SP1,
including computers where I work.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Rick T" wrote in message
...
glee wrote:
The info I am aware of is that IE6 caused the problem, and IE6 SP1 remedied it.

Cite.


thankyou
rpl


Did
you in fact actually upgrade to IE6 SP1 to see if there was an improvement?

I'll resist commenting on your report (not because I discount it, but
because additional comment isn't required, s.)

....Except to say that, no, MS does not normally monitor these
newsgroups. For such issues to find their way to the people who can do
something about them, it usually requires many calls to PSS by many,
*many* affected users, and/or an MVP or other Partner Level entity to
take up the cause and push hard to get attention for it. This particular
issue, as it relates to Win9x systems, had gone unnoticed by the people
who were in a position to do anything about it until, by happenstance, I
managed to drop a report into the right place from which others who are
in a position to do so managed to get it the attention it needed. And
even then, it took quite a bit of time for the people who actually
answer Support calls to get on board and quit giving erroneous advice
about the update.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Earl" wrote in message
...
I will do so Gary, but I'm quite shocked Microsoft decided to release
this
"patch" to the WinME community in March after I had already posted
about it
several times on the microsoft.public.win2000.windows_update forum
since
they first released the patch for Win2k -- back in January (doesn't
anyone
"upstairs" read the update forums???). All of my users have long ago
uninstalled KB891711 on their malfunctioning Win2k systems.

But releasing 891711 to WinME after it had known issues with Win2k ...
well,
that was just throwing grease on the fire.

Read the following threads:

"Catastrophic OS failures with latest security updates" posted on
2/8/2005
"Strange spontanious reseting", posted on 2/8/2005
"Win2k and KB891711 a disaster", posted on 3/7/2005
"Which Updates to Install?", posted on 3/8/2005



"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Please call the number below and share your experience with MS
Support.
I'm not sure they have sufficient data on this issue as it affects
Win2K
systems. (Wait until Monday, OK?)

1-866-PCSafety (1-866-727-2338)

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Earl" wrote in message
...
Jerry,

This issue absolutely affects Windows 2000 also.


"Jerry Bryant [MSFT]" wrote in
message
...
Microsoft has received reports about issues with KB891711 on
Windows
98,
Windows 98 SE and Windows ME. At this point, we have been able
to
confirm
these reports and are currently working on a resolution.

Please note that by uninstalling the current update, the machine
will
return to a vulnerable state. At this point, we are currently
not
aware
of customer's being exploited by way of the vulnerability fixed
in
MS05-002 on Windows 98, Windows 98 SE and Windows ME. If you
need
additional assistance regarding this update, please contact +1
(866)
PCSAFETY. When calling, please indicate that you are having
issues
with a
security update.
--
Regards,

Jerry Bryant - MCSE, MCDBA
Microsoft IT Communities

Get Secure! www.microsoft.com/security


This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
no
rights.

Bill, Obviously it ain't so on all systems, as you can show that the problem
occurred post SP1, but there is also obviously another factor or factors involved,
as the majority of users are *not* experiencing any of the symptoms after installing
SP1, and the problem only existed for some users on the original IE6. The problem
is in tracking down what those "other factors" might be that are combining to cause
the problem only on some machines.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
NOPE!!!! Ain't so!

Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:
Sources that I'm reading is that sp1 fixed it?

Rick T wrote:
glee wrote:

Did you try it yourself, or are you going on what someone else told
you? Have you
installed IE6 SP1 yourself to see if it fixed the problem?


I'm currently auditing Win2K, so I'm going by memory...

Installing IE6 caused that problem as well as what felt like a task
priorities problem (mouse would freeze for a few seconds occasionally)
... and since SP1 is over a year old (and I only installed 2K last
month) I'm going to take it for granted that I tried it with SP1 with
the same result.


Rick T

P3, VIA Apollo+, 512MB

--
An open letter to the Security Community::
http://msmvps.com/bradley/archive/2004/12/12/23540.aspx

Fellow MVPs that are veterans of 98 support forums.

Ivan Bútora wrote:
Could you be more specific about those sources?

"Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]" wrote in message ...

Sources that I'm reading is that sp1 fixed it?

Rick T wrote:

glee wrote:


Did you try it yourself, or are you going on what someone else told
you? Have you
installed IE6 SP1 yourself to see if it fixed the problem?


I'm currently auditing Win2K, so I'm going by memory...

Installing IE6 caused that problem as well as what felt like a task
priorities problem (mouse would freeze for a few seconds occasionally)
... and since SP1 is over a year old (and I only installed 2K last
month) I'm going to take it for granted that I tried it with SP1 with
the same result.


Rick T

P3, VIA Apollo+, 512MB

--
An open letter to the Security Community::
http://msmvps.com/bradley/archive/2004/12/12/23540.aspx

--
An open letter to the Security Community::
http://msmvps.com/bradley/archive/2004/12/12/23540.aspx

Do we have a good, qualified, database of people who are using Win98SE and
IE 6 SP1, and who know their systems well enough to know if the problem
exists for them or not?

glee wrote:
Bill, Obviously it ain't so on all systems, as you can show that the
problem
occurred post SP1, but there is also obviously another factor or factors
involved, as the majority of users are *not* experiencing any of the
symptoms
after installing SP1, and the problem only existed for some users on the
original IE6. The problem is in tracking down what those "other factors"
might be that are combining to cause the problem only on some machines.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
NOPE!!!! Ain't so!

Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:
Sources that I'm reading is that sp1 fixed it?

Rick T wrote:
glee wrote:

Did you try it yourself, or are you going on what someone else told
you? Have you
installed IE6 SP1 yourself to see if it fixed the problem?


I'm currently auditing Win2K, so I'm going by memory...

Installing IE6 caused that problem as well as what felt like a task
priorities problem (mouse would freeze for a few seconds occasionally)
... and since SP1 is over a year old (and I only installed 2K last
month) I'm going to take it for granted that I tried it with SP1 with
the same result.


Rick T

P3, VIA Apollo+, 512MB

--
An open letter to the Security Community::
http://msmvps.com/bradley/archive/2004/12/12/23540.aspx

Yes.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Do we have a good, qualified, database of people who are using Win98SE and
IE 6 SP1, and who know their systems well enough to know if the problem
exists for them or not?

glee wrote:
Bill, Obviously it ain't so on all systems, as you can show that the
problem
occurred post SP1, but there is also obviously another factor or factors
involved, as the majority of users are *not* experiencing any of the
symptoms
after installing SP1, and the problem only existed for some users on the
original IE6. The problem is in tracking down what those "other factors"
might be that are combining to cause the problem only on some machines.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
NOPE!!!! Ain't so!

Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:
Sources that I'm reading is that sp1 fixed it?

Rick T wrote:
glee wrote:

Did you try it yourself, or are you going on what someone else told
you? Have you
installed IE6 SP1 yourself to see if it fixed the problem?


I'm currently auditing Win2K, so I'm going by memory...

Installing IE6 caused that problem as well as what felt like a task
priorities problem (mouse would freeze for a few seconds occasionally)
... and since SP1 is over a year old (and I only installed 2K last
month) I'm going to take it for granted that I tried it with SP1 with
the same result.


Rick T

P3, VIA Apollo+, 512MB

--
An open letter to the Security Community::
http://msmvps.com/bradley/archive/2004/12/12/23540.aspx

You MUST get the feedback to the 'right' place and that place is PSS.

Issues with a patch are a free call and it's imperative that you not
just post here, but call at 866-PCSafety and indicate that the security
patch is causing you issues.


Earl wrote:
I will do so Gary, but I'm quite shocked Microsoft decided to release this
"patch" to the WinME community in March after I had already posted about it
several times on the microsoft.public.win2000.windows_update forum since
they first released the patch for Win2k -- back in January (doesn't anyone
"upstairs" read the update forums???). All of my users have long ago
uninstalled KB891711 on their malfunctioning Win2k systems.

But releasing 891711 to WinME after it had known issues with Win2k ... well,
that was just throwing grease on the fire.

Read the following threads:

"Catastrophic OS failures with latest security updates" posted on 2/8/2005
"Strange spontanious reseting", posted on 2/8/2005
"Win2k and KB891711 a disaster", posted on 3/7/2005
"Which Updates to Install?", posted on 3/8/2005



"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...

Please call the number below and share your experience with MS Support.
I'm not sure they have sufficient data on this issue as it affects Win2K
systems. (Wait until Monday, OK?)

1-866-PCSafety (1-866-727-2338)

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Earl" wrote in message
...

Jerry,

This issue absolutely affects Windows 2000 also.


"Jerry Bryant [MSFT]" wrote in message
. ..

Microsoft has received reports about issues with KB891711 on Windows

98,

Windows 98 SE and Windows ME. At this point, we have been able to

confirm

these reports and are currently working on a resolution.

Please note that by uninstalling the current update, the machine

will

return to a vulnerable state. At this point, we are currently not

aware

of customer's being exploited by way of the vulnerability fixed in
MS05-002 on Windows 98, Windows 98 SE and Windows ME. If you need
additional assistance regarding this update, please contact +1 (866)
PCSAFETY. When calling, please indicate that you are having issues

with a

security update.
--
Regards,

Jerry Bryant - MCSE, MCDBA
Microsoft IT Communities

Get Secure! www.microsoft.com/security


This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.






--
An open letter to the Security Community::
http://msmvps.com/bradley/archive/2004/12/12/23540.aspx

Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:
Rick?

Why not upgrade to IE6 sp1?

http://snipurl.com/4bgz

Hi Susan,
I do have IE6SP1 installed.
Why did you think I didn't?
Anyway I can assure you SP1 was never fixed with this problem and I have two
different computers in front of me with the problem right now.

My intention was not to overtake this MS05-002 thread about the issue and I'm
not sure now how to avoid that, my only intention was to just get the
attention of those who are in the top positions at MS to affect change.

Rick

PA Bear wrote:

Who's Robert?

I meant Robear ...meant no harm.

I continue to disagree with you and ChrisQ about the problem. While it may
be machine-related, I don't believe it's related to any particular Windows
Update or IE6 SP1. If it were, we'd see many more Win98 users with the
problem.

Okay that's fine you can disagree all you want.

The fact is I can personally vouch for the facts that I have two different
boxes in front of me right now that have the problem which started happening
with the first release of IE6 and absolutely the exact same problem is still
there when IE6SP1 including with Any subsequent updates installed after SP1
came out.

If anyone who is in charge wants to work with me on the problem to get
information fine, I have the goods. I do not deal with hearsay.

Rick


...The issue that the link
http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm speaks about was never
fixed and I can guarantee it's 100% immutable that the problem does exist
for W98x.

Have all of those suffering from this problem installed IE6 SP1 and
further, post-SP1 updates? They have been /the/ fix for the vast majority
of Win98 users.
--
~PA Bear

Rick Chauvin wrote:
PA Bear wrote:
X-Posting to Win95 and WinME NGs eliminated.

Rick, I don't think MS05-002/KB891711 has anything to do with the issue
about which you post.

Hi Robert,
You have totally misunderstood my post. I'm sorry you did.
Of course we all knowMS05-002/KB891711 has nothing to do with the link I
gave. http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm

As I said I took this extra opportunity to tag onto Jerry Bryant MCSE,
MCDBA post to express to the MS coders about another important issue that
is of great importance for 9x to get fixed - besides what the OP is about.
I apologize for tagging onto it, but felt it was important enough.

(As you know, my position is that IE6 with SP1 installed has
fixed your issue for the vast majority of Win98 users.)

Again here too Robert I have no idea what you are referring to, but surely
you are mistaken here of what we are talking about which has been well
confirmed in this 9x newsgroup a hundred times over the last 2 years;
thousands of times elsewhere. The issue that the link
http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm speaks about was never
fixed and I can guarantee it's 100% immutable that the problem does exist
for W98x. I would of not stuck my neck out to make my post if it wasn't.
I guess you don't know me.

The problem is old news but for heavens sake Robert earlier just today
even your own Extremely capable MVP Chris Quirke (cquirke) is onboard
with this issue and actually uses 9x to know. Listen up:


Rick


--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (Shell, IE/OE) & Security

Mastering Newsgroups in Outlook Express
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/...ewsgroups.mspx

Rick Chauvin wrote:
Jerry Bryant,

I do appreciate MS re-working this 891711 issue. Thank you to MS.

Let me take this opportunity to ask you to pass this along as well in
high hopes this problem will be addressed once and for all. It's a
big problem for 9x users and I can't imagine it's anything but
embarrassing for MS to leave this bug the way it is. We even have
people making webpages talking about and trying to help people get
around the problem.
Please show this link to whomever is in charge as it outlines the
problem I'm speaking of pretty well, which has been talked about in
the 9x group for 2 years now, and so please ask them to finally fix
what the problem is, please, thank you.

http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm

Rick


Jerry Bryant [MSFT] wrote:
Microsoft has received reports about issues with KB891711 on
Windows 98, Windows 98 SE and Windows ME. At this point, we have
been able to confirm these reports and are currently working on a
resolution.

Please note that by uninstalling the current update, the machine
will return to a vulnerable state. At this point, we are currently
not aware of customer's being exploited by way of the vulnerability
fixed in MS05-002 on Windows 98, Windows 98 SE and Windows ME. If
you need additional assistance regarding this update, please
contact +1 (866) PCSAFETY. When calling, please indicate that you
are having issues with a security update. --
Regards,

Jerry Bryant - MCSE, MCDBA
Microsoft IT Communities

Get Secure! www.microsoft.com/security


This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.