Windows ME compared to Windows 98SE

I use and like 98SE and was wondering what Windows ME gives a user that
98SE does not have. The system restore feature in ME is nice but can be
overcome through a third party solution like GoBack. Windows 98(SE) has
its own resource kit and I think that Windows ME does not have one.
Windows ME may have better generic drivers but that limitation has been
overcome by using a Windows ME driver in 98SE as in the case of the Ati
Radeon 9800 XT which uses the Windows ME driver in 98SE. I like the
fact of easy shut down to MS-DOS that is given in 98SE but not ME. Was
Microsoft's intention to do away with the 9x source code and focus on
the NT (New Technology) source code and that was why Windows ME was
rushed out the door? I would appreciate a well thought out and
constructive debate and I am not trying to diss Windows ME just because
of all the bad press.

Dan wrote:
I use and like 98SE and was wondering what Windows ME gives a user that
98SE does not have. The system restore feature in ME is nice but can be
overcome through a third party solution like GoBack. Windows 98(SE) has
its own resource kit and I think that Windows ME does not have one.
Windows ME may have better generic drivers but that limitation has been
overcome by using a Windows ME driver in 98SE as in the case of the Ati
Radeon 9800 XT which uses the Windows ME driver in 98SE. I like the
fact of easy shut down to MS-DOS that is given in 98SE but not ME. Was
Microsoft's intention to do away with the 9x source code and focus on
the NT (New Technology) source code and that was why Windows ME was
rushed out the door? I would appreciate a well thought out and
constructive debate and I am not trying to diss Windows ME just because
of all the bad press.

ME has Spider Solitaire and Pinball. 98SE doesn't ;-)

Alias

Dan wrote:
I use and like 98SE and was wondering what Windows ME gives a user that
98SE does not have. The system restore feature in ME is nice but can be
overcome through a third party solution like GoBack. Windows 98(SE) has
its own resource kit and I think that Windows ME does not have one.
Windows ME may have better generic drivers but that limitation has been
overcome by using a Windows ME driver in 98SE as in the case of the Ati
Radeon 9800 XT which uses the Windows ME driver in 98SE. I like the
fact of easy shut down to MS-DOS that is given in 98SE but not ME. Was
Microsoft's intention to do away with the 9x source code and focus on
the NT (New Technology) source code and that was why Windows ME was
rushed out the door? I would appreciate a well thought out and
constructive debate and I am not trying to diss Windows ME just because
of all the bad press.

Weird, I thought the original question would have appeared.

The poster was asking about using stand by mode in 98SE and how to use
it without problems.

I use and like 98SE and was wondering what Windows ME gives a user

Win Me's state manager and from this System File Protection (SFP) and
System Restore (SR) are probably the major end user benefits.

but can be overcome through a third party solution like GoBack.

Yuk! An almost foolproof method of trashing a system.

Windows ME was rushed out the door?

Hardly rushed. The beta lasted about a year which was the norm for 9x
systems. Nevertheless Win Me was used in part as a test bed for what was
to come in XP such as SFP, SR, PCHealth, WMI and quite a bit more
including new driver models. However being built on the old 9x core it
was never going to live very long as the hardware explosion was just about
to start leading to much faster and cheaper cpus, memory and storage to
name but three.
--
Mike Maltby
MS-MVP Windows



Dan wrote:

I use and like 98SE and was wondering what Windows ME gives a user
that 98SE does not have. The system restore feature in ME is nice
but can be overcome through a third party solution like GoBack. Windows
98(SE) has its own resource kit and I think that Windows ME
does not have one. Windows ME may have better generic drivers but
that limitation has been overcome by using a Windows ME driver in
98SE as in the case of the Ati Radeon 9800 XT which uses the Windows
ME driver in 98SE. I like the fact of easy shut down to MS-DOS that
is given in 98SE but not ME. Was Microsoft's intention to do away
with the 9x source code and focus on the NT (New Technology) source
code and that was why Windows ME was rushed out the door? I would
appreciate a well thought out and constructive debate and I am not
trying to diss Windows ME just because of all the bad press.

Dan wrote:
Dan wrote:
I use and like 98SE and was wondering what Windows ME gives a user
that 98SE does not have. The system restore feature in ME is nice but
can be overcome through a third party solution like GoBack. Windows
98(SE) has its own resource kit and I think that Windows ME does not
have one. Windows ME may have better generic drivers but that
limitation has been overcome by using a Windows ME driver in 98SE as
in the case of the Ati Radeon 9800 XT which uses the Windows ME driver
in 98SE. I like the fact of easy shut down to MS-DOS that is given in
98SE but not ME. Was Microsoft's intention to do away with the 9x
source code and focus on the NT (New Technology) source code and that
was why Windows ME was rushed out the door? I would appreciate a well
thought out and constructive debate and I am not trying to diss
Windows ME just because of all the bad press.

Weird, I thought the original question would have appeared.

The poster was asking about using stand by mode in 98SE and how to use
it without problems.

(never mind -- I got confused and the standbye question from the home
users site appeared. I guess that is the danger of posting in so many
newsgroups at once -- grin)

I use and like Goback and it has not trashed my system. I just had to
go into the internals of Goback and make a few adjustments. My 98SE
system has a customized registry and is a great and stable system. I
have not had a blue screen of death for a long time except when I tried
to install a poor program that use was to try and get my Ipod to work in
98SE. I got a Blue Screen because of that and then just rolled back
with Goback.

On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 06:49:31 -0600, Dan wrote:

I use and like 98SE and was wondering what Windows ME gives a user that
98SE does not have. The system restore feature in ME is nice but can be
overcome through a third party solution like GoBack. Windows 98(SE) has
its own resource kit and I think that Windows ME does not have one.

Doesn't need one; the Windows 98SE resource kit works well with Windows
ME.

Windows ME may have better generic drivers but that limitation has been
overcome by using a Windows ME driver in 98SE as in the case of the Ati
Radeon 9800 XT which uses the Windows ME driver in 98SE. I like the
fact of easy shut down to MS-DOS that is given in 98SE but not ME.

MS-DOS is still there. Just create a boot floppy and you can boot to
MS-DOS with Windows ME. Maybe not as convenient as the option during the
system shutdown, but effective.

Was Microsoft's intention to do away with the 9x source code and focus on
the NT (New Technology) source code and that was why Windows ME was
rushed out the door?

I can't answer that, but Mike Maltby seems to know what was happening
with the OS development.

I would appreciate a well thought out and constructive debate and I am not
trying to diss Windows ME just because of all the bad press.

Personally, having played with both Windows 98SE (on a friend's
computer), as well as Windows ME (on my landlady's, and my own
computers), they are enough alike that neither upgrading to Windows ME
from Windows 98SE, or downgrading to Windows 98SE from Windows ME seems
like a useful option.

Windows ME wasn't as quirky for my landlady as Windows 98SE has been for
my friend; OTOH, my friend got a second computer with Windows ME, and
has just as much trouble with either OS. And more than I have had with
Windows ME. But I tend to push the limits, plus I had a near hardware
meltdown of the computer. Between that, and not having re-installed the
OS (registry clog?), I expect that having fewer problems with Windows ME
than most suggests that most problems are user problem.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

Dan wrote in
:

I use and like 98SE and was wondering what Windows ME gives
a user that 98SE does not have. The system restore feature
in ME is nice but can be overcome through a third party
solution like GoBack. Windows 98(SE) has its own resource
kit and I think that Windows ME does not have one.

Win ME was mainly released to cash in on the "Millennium" (MS
already knew very well that WHATEVER they release, the sheep
will bleat and buy) and was a poor OS, despised by most for good
reasons. Google.

The defrag and scandisk from ME are supposed to be better
(defrag is by Intel, maybe both). You can find them on a variety
of sites a small combined DL. I didn't see MUCH difference, but
they certainly do not run any worse.

GoBack is a joke, get your C drive (you ARE putting all your
DATA on other partition[s], aren't you???????) set up JUST RIGHT
and use a disk-image program like Acronis True Image (I think
you might be able to get the non-XP version for free, I got it
on a magazine CD) and use that instead. If ANYTHING goes wrong,
no matter WHAT you did, in 10 minutes you're back and running.

(You ARE putting all your DATA on other partition[s], aren't
you???????)

I don't even know what a resource kit is, unless you are calling
something basic with a name I am not used to.

thanatoid wrote:
Dan wrote in
:

I use and like 98SE and was wondering what Windows ME gives
a user that 98SE does not have. The system restore feature
in ME is nice but can be overcome through a third party
solution like GoBack. Windows 98(SE) has its own resource
kit and I think that Windows ME does not have one.

Win ME was mainly released to cash in on the "Millennium" (MS
already knew very well that WHATEVER they release, the sheep
will bleat and buy) and was a poor OS, despised by most for good
reasons. Google.

The defrag and scandisk from ME are supposed to be better
(defrag is by Intel, maybe both). You can find them on a variety
of sites a small combined DL. I didn't see MUCH difference, but
they certainly do not run any worse.

GoBack is a joke, get your C drive (you ARE putting all your
DATA on other partition[s], aren't you???????) set up JUST RIGHT
and use a disk-image program like Acronis True Image (I think
you might be able to get the non-XP version for free, I got it
on a magazine CD) and use that instead. If ANYTHING goes wrong,
no matter WHAT you did, in 10 minutes you're back and running.

(You ARE putting all your DATA on other partition[s], aren't
you???????)

I don't even know what a resource kit is, unless you are calling
something basic with a name I am not used to.


Thanks for your comments, thanatoid. Although, Goback may just be a
joke, it has worked well on my computer in the 98SE side of my tri-boot.
It has not worked out as well for other people.

Mike M wrote:
I use and like 98SE and was wondering what Windows ME gives a user

Win Me's state manager and from this System File Protection (SFP) and
System Restore (SR) are probably the major end user benefits.

but can be overcome through a third party solution like GoBack.

Yuk! An almost foolproof method of trashing a system.

Windows ME was rushed out the door?

Hardly rushed. The beta lasted about a year which was the norm for 9x
systems. Nevertheless Win Me was used in part as a test bed for what
was to come in XP such as SFP, SR, PCHealth, WMI and quite a bit more
including new driver models. However being built on the old 9x core it
was never going to live very long as the hardware explosion was just
about to start leading to much faster and cheaper cpus, memory and
storage to name but three.

Thanks Mike. According to this article, Windows 98(SE) is used more
than ME.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Micro...et-33363.shtml

I'm sorry but the relevance of "used more" totally escapes me nor has it
any bearing whatsoever on what I wrote Personally I don't use something
because others do, instead I choose to make my own decisions and not
follow others. I appreciate that you are attempting to do the same but
quoting such an article is meaningless and goes no way towards helping you
in your decision.
--
Mike Maltby



Dan wrote:

Thanks Mike. According to this article, Windows 98(SE) is used more
than ME.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Micro...et-33363.shtml