Minor announcement.... ;)

From some of the reading I've done Windows 7 will not ship with an email
client and if you go to download it will be the live series which is Windows
Live Mail.
Why don't you like it Shane is it anything in particular or what ?

--
Joan Archer
http://www.freewebs.com/crossstitcher
http://lachsoft.com/photogallery

"Shane" wrote in message
...
I'm sorry. You're talking to me?

When anyone with a funny name and the same source as me comes to this
group, people figure it must be me!

Anyway, catch you later. I just have to reinstall 2K8 to get the Windows
Mail components to copy over the W7 ones to get Windows Mail back! I
really should have backed them up! That's messing about with RAID for you!

!

I wonder if the fact you can get Windows Mail working in W7 (the files are
there, they just don't do any more than import OE settings) this way
implies that it'll be an optional download - say, a *feature* - in the
RTM. Only, seeing as how MS removed Windows Sidebar from 2K8 - though you
can get it back easily enough by copying the files across etc (I use the
ones from 2K8 b3) - maybe they *are* trying to kill Windows Mail. Me, I
despise Windows Live Mail! I think I prefer Thunderbird (which I have
always considered inferior to OE/Winmail).

Also, one wonders whether the failure of Gadgets to run with UAC turned
off is a stick to get donkeys to turn it back on. But, it is a beta, even
if it is unusually usable! As the bowing to common sense on the UAC issue
has just demonstrated.

You been somewhere then, Noel?

Shane


snip

AFAICS when you have half a dozen or more email accounts - plus one or two
newsgroup accounts - there isn't room to see them all in the folders pane
(even in 1440x900!). Then, if you Sync All (I forget the new labels for the
identical processes), it only shows you the new *email* account messages -
you have to select a *newsgroups* category to see what's new in those, and
then if you sync everything from *there*, to see if you've got any new
*email* you have to navigate back to the *email* area. Wasn't the Live stuff
born in the Vista period, where you have to click two or three times where
you used to only click once? And wasn't *that* a James Bond film?

You can't toggle the Preview Pane on and off, you have to show it both below
then beside the message before it's off again - so three clicks where it
used to be two. And if the more straightforward ways of doing these tasks
are still available, clearly they are too well hidden - and seeing as how I
*have* found the hidden control for the menu bar, one might almost call them
Super Hidden. Or Super Duper Hidden, perhaps. And so one must ask 'why?'

From the cosmetic pov, the contents of the left pane are too muddled, and
too indistinct and approaching as annoying to me as needless typing in caps
is to pretty much all of us. The button for changing the colour makes
insignificant difference, but presumably that will be improved by the time
W7 goes RTM (I don't know if Live Mail is the same in earlier OSes as
previously I've only used it online - and then only for about as long as it
took to formulate the intention of 'never again!' - and so assume that is a
W7 issue rather than a Live Mail one).

I think you and I agree on much, Joan, but definately not on Vista or Live
Mail. To me it looks like - as I may possibly have said ad nauseum over the
years - MS trying to produce software to the lowest common denominator,
because there are far more sheep than shepherds in the world and they'd
rather sell one more license (almost typed one more *copy* - LOL!) to a
computer illiterate than the less numerous type with an opinion based on
experience. I recognise that if you, Joan, like it then it must be a matter
of taste, and - like Mike - I find issue with the lack of choice. I don't
want it to be made only the way *I* like it, I want choice, for you, me,
Mike, Harry, those who haven't worked out or discovered yet that Communities
is not the only way to access the Microsoft Newsgroups, and those with no
interest in said groups. You know - *Democracy*.

Meanwhile I see that Okehampton had 21 inches! Presumably if I was still in
Crediton, about 20 miles away as I recall from the impression I got riding
between the two, getting down the hill to the High St. would be a right
blast today! Got some pretty good pics from around here anyway. Rosie woke
me at 03.30 so I went out and looked at the thermometer, and it read minus
10.

Shane


Joan Archer wrote:
From some of the reading I've done Windows 7 will not ship with an
email client and if you go to download it will be the live series
which is Windows Live Mail.
Why don't you like it Shane is it anything in particular or what ?


"Shane" wrote in message
...
I'm sorry. You're talking to me?

When anyone with a funny name and the same source as me comes to this
group, people figure it must be me!

Anyway, catch you later. I just have to reinstall 2K8 to get the
Windows Mail components to copy over the W7 ones to get Windows Mail
back! I really should have backed them up! That's messing about with
RAID for you! !

I wonder if the fact you can get Windows Mail working in W7 (the
files are there, they just don't do any more than import OE
settings) this way implies that it'll be an optional download - say,
a *feature* - in the RTM. Only, seeing as how MS removed Windows
Sidebar from 2K8 - though you can get it back easily enough by
copying the files across etc (I use the ones from 2K8 b3) - maybe
they *are* trying to kill Windows Mail. Me, I despise Windows Live
Mail! I think I prefer Thunderbird (which I have always considered
inferior to OE/Winmail). Also, one wonders whether the failure of Gadgets
to run with UAC
turned off is a stick to get donkeys to turn it back on. But, it is
a beta, even if it is unusually usable! As the bowing to common
sense on the UAC issue has just demonstrated.

You been somewhere then, Noel?

Shane


snip

Yes when you lay it out like that I can see your point. I found it annoying
having to click more times to turn the preview pane off and yes it is
another annoyance when it comes to going from NGs to Mail when synching but
if I'm in the NGs I can still tell what email I have to come in as I have
Mailwasher and that blinks at me in the notification area when new mail is
in and just doing a double click on that lets me see what there is and if
it's not important it can wait until I've finished with my NGs or RSS Feeds
whichever I happen to be reading at the time. g

I see your point about the folder pane, I have the same resolution as you,
have 5 NG groups and 4 email accounts there and the Storage Folder, but I
suppose it works for me the way I use it.

I suppose it's the same as everything what suits one doesn't suit another
g
Joan
--
Joan Archer
http://www.freewebs.com/crossstitcher
http://lachsoft.com/photogallery

"Pogle S. Wood" wrote in message
...
AFAICS when you have half a dozen or more email accounts - plus one or two
newsgroup accounts - there isn't room to see them all in the folders pane
(even in 1440x900!). Then, if you Sync All (I forget the new labels for
the identical processes), it only shows you the new *email* account
messages - you have to select a *newsgroups* category to see what's new in
those, and then if you sync everything from *there*, to see if you've got
any new *email* you have to navigate back to the *email* area. Wasn't the
Live stuff born in the Vista period, where you have to click two or three
times where you used to only click once? And wasn't *that* a James Bond
film?

You can't toggle the Preview Pane on and off, you have to show it both
below then beside the message before it's off again - so three clicks
where it used to be two. And if the more straightforward ways of doing
these tasks are still available, clearly they are too well hidden - and
seeing as how I *have* found the hidden control for the menu bar, one
might almost call them Super Hidden. Or Super Duper Hidden, perhaps. And
so one must ask 'why?'

From the cosmetic pov, the contents of the left pane are too muddled, and
too indistinct and approaching as annoying to me as needless typing in
caps is to pretty much all of us. The button for changing the colour makes
insignificant difference, but presumably that will be improved by the time
W7 goes RTM (I don't know if Live Mail is the same in earlier OSes as
previously I've only used it online - and then only for about as long as
it took to formulate the intention of 'never again!' - and so assume that
is a W7 issue rather than a Live Mail one).

I think you and I agree on much, Joan, but definately not on Vista or Live
Mail. To me it looks like - as I may possibly have said ad nauseum over
the years - MS trying to produce software to the lowest common
denominator, because there are far more sheep than shepherds in the world
and they'd rather sell one more license (almost typed one more *copy* -
LOL!) to a computer illiterate than the less numerous type with an opinion
based on experience. I recognise that if you, Joan, like it then it must
be a matter of taste, and - like Mike - I find issue with the lack of
choice. I don't want it to be made only the way *I* like it, I want
choice, for you, me, Mike, Harry, those who haven't worked out or
discovered yet that Communities is not the only way to access the
Microsoft Newsgroups, and those with no interest in said groups. You
know - *Democracy*.

Meanwhile I see that Okehampton had 21 inches! Presumably if I was still
in Crediton, about 20 miles away as I recall from the impression I got
riding between the two, getting down the hill to the High St. would be a
right blast today! Got some pretty good pics from around here anyway.
Rosie woke me at 03.30 so I went out and looked at the thermometer, and it
read minus 10.

Shane


Joan Archer wrote:
From some of the reading I've done Windows 7 will not ship with an
email client and if you go to download it will be the live series
which is Windows Live Mail.
Why don't you like it Shane is it anything in particular or what ?


"Shane" wrote in message
...
I'm sorry. You're talking to me?

When anyone with a funny name and the same source as me comes to this
group, people figure it must be me!

Anyway, catch you later. I just have to reinstall 2K8 to get the
Windows Mail components to copy over the W7 ones to get Windows Mail
back! I really should have backed them up! That's messing about with
RAID for you! !

I wonder if the fact you can get Windows Mail working in W7 (the
files are there, they just don't do any more than import OE
settings) this way implies that it'll be an optional download - say,
a *feature* - in the RTM. Only, seeing as how MS removed Windows
Sidebar from 2K8 - though you can get it back easily enough by
copying the files across etc (I use the ones from 2K8 b3) - maybe
they *are* trying to kill Windows Mail. Me, I despise Windows Live
Mail! I think I prefer Thunderbird (which I have always considered
inferior to OE/Winmail). Also, one wonders whether the failure of
Gadgets to run with UAC
turned off is a stick to get donkeys to turn it back on. But, it is
a beta, even if it is unusually usable! As the bowing to common
sense on the UAC issue has just demonstrated.

You been somewhere then, Noel?

Shane


snip

I can't see you in a suit, somehow, Joan!
gd&r

--
Noel Paton (MVP 2002-2006)
(CrashFixPC)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.co.uk
"Joan Archer" wrote in message
...
Yes when you lay it out like that I can see your point. I found it
annoying having to click more times to turn the preview pane off and yes
it is another annoyance when it comes to going from NGs to Mail when
synching but if I'm in the NGs I can still tell what email I have to come
in as I have Mailwasher and that blinks at me in the notification area
when new mail is in and just doing a double click on that lets me see what
there is and if it's not important it can wait until I've finished with my
NGs or RSS Feeds whichever I happen to be reading at the time. g

I see your point about the folder pane, I have the same resolution as you,
have 5 NG groups and 4 email accounts there and the Storage Folder, but I
suppose it works for me the way I use it.

I suppose it's the same as everything what suits one doesn't suit another
g
Joan
--
Joan Archer
http://www.freewebs.com/crossstitcher
http://lachsoft.com/photogallery

"Pogle S. Wood" wrote in message
...
AFAICS when you have half a dozen or more email accounts - plus one or
two newsgroup accounts - there isn't room to see them all in the folders
pane (even in 1440x900!). Then, if you Sync All (I forget the new labels
for the identical processes), it only shows you the new *email* account
messages - you have to select a *newsgroups* category to see what's new
in those, and then if you sync everything from *there*, to see if you've
got any new *email* you have to navigate back to the *email* area. Wasn't
the Live stuff born in the Vista period, where you have to click two or
three times where you used to only click once? And wasn't *that* a James
Bond film?

You can't toggle the Preview Pane on and off, you have to show it both
below then beside the message before it's off again - so three clicks
where it used to be two. And if the more straightforward ways of doing
these tasks are still available, clearly they are too well hidden - and
seeing as how I *have* found the hidden control for the menu bar, one
might almost call them Super Hidden. Or Super Duper Hidden, perhaps. And
so one must ask 'why?'

From the cosmetic pov, the contents of the left pane are too muddled, and
too indistinct and approaching as annoying to me as needless typing in
caps is to pretty much all of us. The button for changing the colour
makes insignificant difference, but presumably that will be improved by
the time W7 goes RTM (I don't know if Live Mail is the same in earlier
OSes as previously I've only used it online - and then only for about as
long as it took to formulate the intention of 'never again!' - and so
assume that is a W7 issue rather than a Live Mail one).

I think you and I agree on much, Joan, but definately not on Vista or
Live Mail. To me it looks like - as I may possibly have said ad nauseum
over the years - MS trying to produce software to the lowest common
denominator, because there are far more sheep than shepherds in the world
and they'd rather sell one more license (almost typed one more *copy* -
LOL!) to a computer illiterate than the less numerous type with an
opinion based on experience. I recognise that if you, Joan, like it then
it must be a matter of taste, and - like Mike - I find issue with the
lack of choice. I don't want it to be made only the way *I* like it, I
want choice, for you, me, Mike, Harry, those who haven't worked out or
discovered yet that Communities is not the only way to access the
Microsoft Newsgroups, and those with no interest in said groups. You
know - *Democracy*.

Meanwhile I see that Okehampton had 21 inches! Presumably if I was still
in Crediton, about 20 miles away as I recall from the impression I got
riding between the two, getting down the hill to the High St. would be a
right blast today! Got some pretty good pics from around here anyway.
Rosie woke me at 03.30 so I went out and looked at the thermometer, and
it read minus 10.

Shane


Joan Archer wrote:
From some of the reading I've done Windows 7 will not ship with an
email client and if you go to download it will be the live series
which is Windows Live Mail.
Why don't you like it Shane is it anything in particular or what ?


"Shane" wrote in message
...
I'm sorry. You're talking to me?

When anyone with a funny name and the same source as me comes to this
group, people figure it must be me!

Anyway, catch you later. I just have to reinstall 2K8 to get the
Windows Mail components to copy over the W7 ones to get Windows Mail
back! I really should have backed them up! That's messing about with
RAID for you! !

I wonder if the fact you can get Windows Mail working in W7 (the
files are there, they just don't do any more than import OE
settings) this way implies that it'll be an optional download - say,
a *feature* - in the RTM. Only, seeing as how MS removed Windows
Sidebar from 2K8 - though you can get it back easily enough by
copying the files across etc (I use the ones from 2K8 b3) - maybe
they *are* trying to kill Windows Mail. Me, I despise Windows Live
Mail! I think I prefer Thunderbird (which I have always considered
inferior to OE/Winmail). Also, one wonders whether the failure of
Gadgets to run with UAC
turned off is a stick to get donkeys to turn it back on. But, it is
a beta, even if it is unusually usable! As the bowing to common
sense on the UAC issue has just demonstrated.

You been somewhere then, Noel?

Shane


snip

Groan!! He really IS back........lol.

Heather

"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
I can't see you in a suit, somehow, Joan!
gd&r

--
Noel Paton (MVP 2002-2006)
(CrashFixPC)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.co.uk
"Joan Archer" wrote in message
...
Yes when you lay it out like that I can see your point. I found it
annoying having to click more times to turn the preview pane off and
yes it is another annoyance when it comes to going from NGs to Mail
when synching but if I'm in the NGs I can still tell what email I
have to come in as I have Mailwasher and that blinks at me in the
notification area when new mail is in and just doing a double click
on that lets me see what there is and if it's not important it can
wait until I've finished with my NGs or RSS Feeds whichever I happen
to be reading at the time. g

I see your point about the folder pane, I have the same resolution as
you, have 5 NG groups and 4 email accounts there and the Storage
Folder, but I suppose it works for me the way I use it.

I suppose it's the same as everything what suits one doesn't suit
another g
Joan
--
Joan Archer
http://www.freewebs.com/crossstitcher
http://lachsoft.com/photogallery

"Pogle S. Wood" wrote in message
...
AFAICS when you have half a dozen or more email accounts - plus one
or two newsgroup accounts - there isn't room to see them all in the
folders pane (even in 1440x900!). Then, if you Sync All (I forget
the new labels for the identical processes), it only shows you the
new *email* account messages - you have to select a *newsgroups*
category to see what's new in those, and then if you sync everything
from *there*, to see if you've got any new *email* you have to
navigate back to the *email* area. Wasn't the Live stuff born in the
Vista period, where you have to click two or three times where you
used to only click once? And wasn't *that* a James Bond film?

You can't toggle the Preview Pane on and off, you have to show it
both below then beside the message before it's off again - so three
clicks where it used to be two. And if the more straightforward ways
of doing these tasks are still available, clearly they are too well
hidden - and seeing as how I *have* found the hidden control for the
menu bar, one might almost call them Super Hidden. Or Super Duper
Hidden, perhaps. And so one must ask 'why?'

From the cosmetic pov, the contents of the left pane are too
muddled, and too indistinct and approaching as annoying to me as
needless typing in caps is to pretty much all of us. The button for
changing the colour makes insignificant difference, but presumably
that will be improved by the time W7 goes RTM (I don't know if Live
Mail is the same in earlier OSes as previously I've only used it
online - and then only for about as long as it took to formulate the
intention of 'never again!' - and so assume that is a W7 issue
rather than a Live Mail one).

I think you and I agree on much, Joan, but definately not on Vista
or Live Mail. To me it looks like - as I may possibly have said ad
nauseum over the years - MS trying to produce software to the lowest
common denominator, because there are far more sheep than shepherds
in the world and they'd rather sell one more license (almost typed
one more *copy* - LOL!) to a computer illiterate than the less
numerous type with an opinion based on experience. I recognise that
if you, Joan, like it then it must be a matter of taste, and - like
Mike - I find issue with the lack of choice. I don't want it to be
made only the way *I* like it, I want choice, for you, me, Mike,
Harry, those who haven't worked out or discovered yet that
Communities is not the only way to access the Microsoft Newsgroups,
and those with no interest in said groups. You know - *Democracy*.

Meanwhile I see that Okehampton had 21 inches! Presumably if I was
still in Crediton, about 20 miles away as I recall from the
impression I got riding between the two, getting down the hill to
the High St. would be a right blast today! Got some pretty good pics
from around here anyway. Rosie woke me at 03.30 so I went out and
looked at the thermometer, and it read minus 10.

Shane


Joan Archer wrote:
From some of the reading I've done Windows 7 will not ship with an
email client and if you go to download it will be the live series
which is Windows Live Mail.
Why don't you like it Shane is it anything in particular or what ?


"Shane" wrote in message
...
I'm sorry. You're talking to me?

When anyone with a funny name and the same source as me comes to
this
group, people figure it must be me!

Anyway, catch you later. I just have to reinstall 2K8 to get the
Windows Mail components to copy over the W7 ones to get Windows
Mail
back! I really should have backed them up! That's messing about
with
RAID for you! !

I wonder if the fact you can get Windows Mail working in W7 (the
files are there, they just don't do any more than import OE
settings) this way implies that it'll be an optional download -
say,
a *feature* - in the RTM. Only, seeing as how MS removed Windows
Sidebar from 2K8 - though you can get it back easily enough by
copying the files across etc (I use the ones from 2K8 b3) - maybe
they *are* trying to kill Windows Mail. Me, I despise Windows Live
Mail! I think I prefer Thunderbird (which I have always considered
inferior to OE/Winmail). Also, one wonders whether the failure of
Gadgets to run with UAC
turned off is a stick to get donkeys to turn it back on. But, it
is
a beta, even if it is unusually usable! As the bowing to common
sense on the UAC issue has just demonstrated.

You been somewhere then, Noel?

Shane


snip

Hey - I didn't mention anything about a BIRTHDAY suit??????

--
Noel Paton (MVP 2002-2006)
(CrashFixPC)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.co.uk
"Heather" wrote in message
...
Groan!! He really IS back........lol.

Heather

"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
I can't see you in a suit, somehow, Joan!
gd&r

--
Noel Paton (MVP 2002-2006)
(CrashFixPC)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi

So, Noel, are you saying you *can* see Joan in her brthday suit, or that you
have?

Pogle S. Arturo


"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
Hey - I didn't mention anything about a BIRTHDAY suit??????

--
Noel Paton (MVP 2002-2006)
(CrashFixPC)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.co.uk
"Heather" wrote in message
...
Groan!! He really IS back........lol.

Heather

"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
I can't see you in a suit, somehow, Joan!
gd&r

--
Noel Paton (MVP 2002-2006)
(CrashFixPC)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi

....I'm a gentleman.....

--
Noel Paton (MVP 2002-2006)
(CrashFixPC)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.co.uk
"Shane" wrote in message
...
So, Noel, are you saying you *can* see Joan in her brthday suit, or that
you have?

Pogle S. Arturo

.......My, how you've changed......

(snicker)

"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
...I'm a gentleman.....

--
Noel Paton (MVP 2002-2006)
(CrashFixPC)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.co.uk
"Shane" wrote in message
...
So, Noel, are you saying you *can* see Joan in her brthday suit, or
that you have?

Pogle S. Arturo

Excuse me! What's this going on in my absence, don't forget some things are
best kept private vbg
Joan
--
Joan Archer
http://www.freewebs.com/crossstitcher
http://lachsoft.com/photogallery

"Shane" wrote in message
...
So, Noel, are you saying you *can* see Joan in her brthday suit, or that
you have?

Pogle S. Arturo


"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
Hey - I didn't mention anything about a BIRTHDAY suit??????

--
Noel Paton (MVP 2002-2006)
(CrashFixPC)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.co.uk
"Heather" wrote in message
...
Groan!! He really IS back........lol.

Heather

"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
I can't see you in a suit, somehow, Joan!
gd&r

--
Noel Paton (MVP 2002-2006)
(CrashFixPC)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi