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  #1  
Old July 4th 04, 12:56 AM
JD
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Default Start Vs. Restart

My Windows 98SE computer has developed a problem.

I can select Start, ShutDown, Restart and everything is good. It
restarts and runs good.

If I select Start, Shutdown, let it shutdown and power off the computer
using the power switch on the computer, the next time I start the
computer it hangs after everything loads and windows is up and running.

If I turn the power off to the computer using the power switching device
sitting under my monitor, the computer boots to windows but it runs
Scandisk. I stop Scandisk and windows is up and running.

I then run Scandisk and it has a few errors, one in particular was:

"The allocation chain for 'rb002.cab' in the'C:\Windows\Sysbckup' folder
indicates that part of this file or folder is stored in an invalid
location. Your computer uses the allocation chain to track where each of
your files and folders is stored."

I select "Repair by truncating the file" and Windows is up and running
and I don't have any computer problems. On more than one occasion the
lost clusters I save as a .chk file relate to rb00x.cab, the x is a
number from 1 to 5.

I've compared the .chk file to the corresponding rb00x.cab file and the
..chk file has data from my Daily Planner (AnyTimeDeluxe 9.1) that is not
in the rb00x.cab file.

I've taken everything out of my Start folder so I'm only loading
StillImageMonitor, ScanRegistry, SystemTray, TweakUI and EM_EXEC (my
logitech mouse driver).

Before it freezes, the mouse is working but the computer freezes with
the hourglass on the mouse. Ctrl-Alt-Del doesn't work.

I have troubleshot this machine until I'm cross-eyed and have not been
able to fix the problem. I've used Google, this newsgroup and the MS
knowledge base to research troubleshooting Windows 98 Start and ShutDown
problems. None of the troubleshooting has fixed the problem.

What is the difference between a cold boot and a warm boot? What process
is different that is causing the freeze?

--

JD..
  #2  
Old July 4th 04, 05:16 AM
Brian A.
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Default Start Vs. Restart

Rename all the RB###.cab files to RB###.OL1, RB###.OL2 and so on, =
shutdown, reboot and post back what happens.

--=20
Brian A.

Jack of all trades, Master of none.
One can never truly be a master as there is always more to learn.


"JD" wrote in message:
My Windows 98SE computer has developed a problem.
=20
I can select Start, ShutDown, Restart and everything is good. It
restarts and runs good.
=20
If I select Start, Shutdown, let it shutdown and power off the =

computer
using the power switch on the computer, the next time I start the
computer it hangs after everything loads and windows is up and =

running.
=20
If I turn the power off to the computer using the power switching =

device
sitting under my monitor, the computer boots to windows but it runs
Scandisk. I stop Scandisk and windows is up and running.=20
=20
I then run Scandisk and it has a few errors, one in particular was:
=20
"The allocation chain for 'rb002.cab' in the'C:\Windows\Sysbckup' =

folder
indicates that part of this file or folder is stored in an invalid
location. Your computer uses the allocation chain to track where each =

of
your files and folders is stored."=20
=20
I select "Repair by truncating the file" and Windows is up and running
and I don't have any computer problems. On more than one occasion the
lost clusters I save as a .chk file relate to rb00x.cab, the x is a
number from 1 to 5.
=20
I've compared the .chk file to the corresponding rb00x.cab file and =

the
.chk file has data from my Daily Planner (AnyTimeDeluxe 9.1) that is =

not
in the rb00x.cab file.=20
=20
I've taken everything out of my Start folder so I'm only loading
StillImageMonitor, ScanRegistry, SystemTray, TweakUI and EM_EXEC (my
logitech mouse driver).=20
=20
Before it freezes, the mouse is working but the computer freezes with
the hourglass on the mouse. Ctrl-Alt-Del doesn't work. =20
=20
I have troubleshot this machine until I'm cross-eyed and have not been
able to fix the problem. I've used Google, this newsgroup and the MS
knowledge base to research troubleshooting Windows 98 Start and =

ShutDown
problems. None of the troubleshooting has fixed the problem.
=20
What is the difference between a cold boot and a warm boot? What =

process
is different that is causing the freeze?=20
=20
--
=20
JD..

  #3  
Old July 4th 04, 03:23 PM
JD
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Default Start Vs. Restart

Everytime I warm boot, the rb####.cab files are being replaced. You are
aware these files are the registry back up files and a new one is
created each time the registry is scanned? After five days they should
all be new files. So I'm kind of renaming them, slowly. g

"Brian A." wrote:

Rename all the RB###.cab files to RB###.OL1, RB###.OL2 and so on, shutdown, reboot and post back what happens.

--
Brian A.

Jack of all trades, Master of none.
One can never truly be a master as there is always more to learn.

"JD" wrote in message:
My Windows 98SE computer has developed a problem.

I can select Start, ShutDown, Restart and everything is good. It
restarts and runs good.

If I select Start, Shutdown, let it shutdown and power off the computer
using the power switch on the computer, the next time I start the
computer it hangs after everything loads and windows is up and running.

If I turn the power off to the computer using the power switching device
sitting under my monitor, the computer boots to windows but it runs
Scandisk. I stop Scandisk and windows is up and running.

I then run Scandisk and it has a few errors, one in particular was:

"The allocation chain for 'rb002.cab' in the'C:\Windows\Sysbckup' folder
indicates that part of this file or folder is stored in an invalid
location. Your computer uses the allocation chain to track where each of
your files and folders is stored."

I select "Repair by truncating the file" and Windows is up and running
and I don't have any computer problems. On more than one occasion the
lost clusters I save as a .chk file relate to rb00x.cab, the x is a
number from 1 to 5.

I've compared the .chk file to the corresponding rb00x.cab file and the
.chk file has data from my Daily Planner (AnyTimeDeluxe 9.1) that is not
in the rb00x.cab file.

I've taken everything out of my Start folder so I'm only loading
StillImageMonitor, ScanRegistry, SystemTray, TweakUI and EM_EXEC (my
logitech mouse driver).

Before it freezes, the mouse is working but the computer freezes with
the hourglass on the mouse. Ctrl-Alt-Del doesn't work.

I have troubleshot this machine until I'm cross-eyed and have not been
able to fix the problem. I've used Google, this newsgroup and the MS
knowledge base to research troubleshooting Windows 98 Start and ShutDown
problems. None of the troubleshooting has fixed the problem.

What is the difference between a cold boot and a warm boot? What process
is different that is causing the freeze?

--

JD..


--

JD..
  #4  
Old July 4th 04, 11:12 PM
Brian A.
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Default Start Vs. Restart

"JD" wrote in message:

Everytime I warm boot, the rb####.cab files are being replaced.


Incorrect. Every new calendar day the machine is booted it creates a =
new one. If yours is creating a new one each time you start/reboot in =
the same day, then you either created a batch file to perform the task, =
are using some type of third party app to do it or something is terribly =
corrupt.

You are aware these files are the registry back up files and a new one =

is
created each time the registry is scanned?


I am very aware that they are registry backups, hence the reason to =
rename instead of delete. Again incorrect, a new one is not created =
every time the registry is scanned unless same as response above.

After five days they should all be new files.


Not technically correct. If you do not shutdown each day then they will =
not be replaced unless you perform scandiskw from Start Run. Also the =
one created that day is new and the others are 1 day old, 2days old, =
etc.

So I'm kind of renaming them, slowly. g

Rename them all and preferably move them to another newly created =
folder elsewhere so they are not seen. You could always put them back =
and rename them if you wished. Renaming and moving them will do no harm, =
new ones will be created each new day you start the machine.

After renaming/moving them, right click the IE icon on th desktop, =
click Properties Genneral tab Delete Cookies button. Next click =
Delete Files..., put a check in Delete all offline content, click Ok =
Ok.

Now open Explorer and navigate to C:\Windows\Temp and delete everything =
in that folder. If you previously installed/uninstalled anything that =
required a reboot and you have not done so, windows will not let you =
delete the file until you have rebooted and the file finishes it task. =
After deleting the Temp folder contents reboot.

Once back at the desktop press ctrl+alt+del and End Task on everything =
Except Explorer and Systray. Disable any other programs that may still =
be running as shown in the systray either by right clicking the icon in =
the systray and selecting disable (or whatever term it may use) or by =
opening the program and disabling it in the Options. Disable your =
screensaver as well if using one.

Once all is disabled/not running, run Scandisk. Start Run, type in: =
scandisk and press Enter. When finished reboot.
Once back at the desktop disable all as mentioned above, then run =
Defrag. Start Run, type in: defrag and press Enter. When finished =
reboot.
Once back at the Desktop, Start Run, type in: scandiskw and press =
enter. If a reg backup was created that day then you will be prompted =
with ".........Do you want to create a new...........", select Yes. When =
done reboot.

Post back if you still have problems.


--=20
Brian A.

Jack of all trades, Master of none.
One can never truly be a master as there is always more to learn.
  #5  
Old July 4th 04, 11:40 PM
Gary S. Terhune
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Default Start Vs. Restart

That's SCANREGW, Brian, not SCANDISKW (just to keep the record straight, =
eg.)

--=20
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x
=20
"Brian A." GoneFishn@aFarAwayLake wrote in message =
...

Not technically correct. If you do not shutdown each day then they will =
not be replaced unless you perform scandiskw from Start Run. Also the =
one created that day is new and the others are 1 day old, 2days old, =
etc.


  #6  
Old July 5th 04, 01:30 AM
Brian A.
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Default Start Vs. Restart

Jiminy Christmas! Good thing Indepence Day is only once a year, now if =
only I could get the celebration down to that. }

--=20
Brian A.

Jack of all trades, Master of none.
One can never truly be a master as there is always more to learn.


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message =
...
That's SCANREGW, Brian, not SCANDISKW (just to keep the record straight, =
eg.)

--=20
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x
=20
"Brian A." GoneFishn@aFarAwayLake wrote in message =
...

Not technically correct. If you do not shutdown each day then they will =
not be replaced unless you perform scandiskw from Start Run. Also the =
one created that day is new and the others are 1 day old, 2days old, =
etc.


  #7  
Old July 7th 04, 02:30 AM
Gary S. Terhune
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Default Start Vs. Restart

What kind of hardware problem? Disk? RAM?

--=20
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x
=20
"JD" wrote in message =
...
It was a hardware problem. I had to build a new machine and now
everything is OK.
=20
Thanks for your help.
=20
"Brian A." wrote:
=20
Rename all the RB###.cab files to RB###.OL1, RB###.OL2 and so on, =

shutdown, reboot and post back what happens.
=20
--
Brian A.
=20
Jack of all trades, Master of none.
One can never truly be a master as there is always more to learn.
=20
"JD" wrote in message:
My Windows 98SE computer has developed a problem.

I can select Start, ShutDown, Restart and everything is good. It
restarts and runs good.

If I select Start, Shutdown, let it shutdown and power off the =

computer
using the power switch on the computer, the next time I start the
computer it hangs after everything loads and windows is up and =

running.

If I turn the power off to the computer using the power switching =

device
sitting under my monitor, the computer boots to windows but it =

runs
Scandisk. I stop Scandisk and windows is up and running.

I then run Scandisk and it has a few errors, one in particular =

was:

"The allocation chain for 'rb002.cab' in the'C:\Windows\Sysbckup' =

folder
indicates that part of this file or folder is stored in an invalid
location. Your computer uses the allocation chain to track where =

each of
your files and folders is stored."

I select "Repair by truncating the file" and Windows is up and =

running
and I don't have any computer problems. On more than one occasion =

the
lost clusters I save as a .chk file relate to rb00x.cab, the x is =

a
number from 1 to 5.

I've compared the .chk file to the corresponding rb00x.cab file =

and the
.chk file has data from my Daily Planner (AnyTimeDeluxe 9.1) that =

is not
in the rb00x.cab file.

I've taken everything out of my Start folder so I'm only loading
StillImageMonitor, ScanRegistry, SystemTray, TweakUI and EM_EXEC =

(my
logitech mouse driver).

Before it freezes, the mouse is working but the computer freezes =

with
the hourglass on the mouse. Ctrl-Alt-Del doesn't work.

I have troubleshot this machine until I'm cross-eyed and have not =

been
able to fix the problem. I've used Google, this newsgroup and the =

MS
knowledge base to research troubleshooting Windows 98 Start and =

ShutDown
problems. None of the troubleshooting has fixed the problem.

What is the difference between a cold boot and a warm boot? What =

process
is different that is causing the freeze?

--

JD..

=20
--
=20
JD..

  #8  
Old July 7th 04, 02:34 AM
Brian A.
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Default Start Vs. Restart

Glad to hear you're up and running again.

--=20
Brian A.

Jack of all trades, Master of none.
One can never truly be a master as there is always more to learn.


"JD" wrote in message =
...
It was a hardware problem. I had to build a new machine and now
everything is OK.
=20
Thanks for your help.
=20
JD..

  #9  
Old July 7th 04, 03:28 AM
Gary S. Terhune
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Default Start Vs. Restart

Just curious, is all, s.

--=20
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x
=20
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message =
...
What kind of hardware problem? Disk? RAM?

--=20
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x
=20
"JD" wrote in message =
...
It was a hardware problem. I had to build a new machine and now
everything is OK.
=20
Thanks for your help.
=20
"Brian A." wrote:
=20
Rename all the RB###.cab files to RB###.OL1, RB###.OL2 and so on, =

shutdown, reboot and post back what happens.
=20
--
Brian A.
=20
Jack of all trades, Master of none.
One can never truly be a master as there is always more to learn.
=20
"JD" wrote in message:
My Windows 98SE computer has developed a problem.

I can select Start, ShutDown, Restart and everything is good. It
restarts and runs good.

If I select Start, Shutdown, let it shutdown and power off the =

computer
using the power switch on the computer, the next time I start the
computer it hangs after everything loads and windows is up and =

running.

If I turn the power off to the computer using the power switching =

device
sitting under my monitor, the computer boots to windows but it =

runs
Scandisk. I stop Scandisk and windows is up and running.

I then run Scandisk and it has a few errors, one in particular =

was:

"The allocation chain for 'rb002.cab' in the'C:\Windows\Sysbckup' =

folder
indicates that part of this file or folder is stored in an invalid
location. Your computer uses the allocation chain to track where =

each of
your files and folders is stored."

I select "Repair by truncating the file" and Windows is up and =

running
and I don't have any computer problems. On more than one occasion =

the
lost clusters I save as a .chk file relate to rb00x.cab, the x is =

a
number from 1 to 5.

I've compared the .chk file to the corresponding rb00x.cab file =

and the
.chk file has data from my Daily Planner (AnyTimeDeluxe 9.1) that =

is not
in the rb00x.cab file.

I've taken everything out of my Start folder so I'm only loading
StillImageMonitor, ScanRegistry, SystemTray, TweakUI and EM_EXEC =

(my
logitech mouse driver).

Before it freezes, the mouse is working but the computer freezes =

with
the hourglass on the mouse. Ctrl-Alt-Del doesn't work.

I have troubleshot this machine until I'm cross-eyed and have not =

been
able to fix the problem. I've used Google, this newsgroup and the =

MS
knowledge base to research troubleshooting Windows 98 Start and =

ShutDown
problems. None of the troubleshooting has fixed the problem.

What is the difference between a cold boot and a warm boot? What =

process
is different that is causing the freeze?

--

JD..

=20
--
=20
JD..

  #10  
Old July 7th 04, 12:56 PM
JD
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Default Start Vs. Restart

AT this point I'm not sure. The mouse would freeze and nothing would
unfreeze it. I tried an older HD and had the same problem. I built a
new machine at Computer Parts USA and used the HD from the old machine
and no more freezing. I feel your curiosity. g

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

Just curious, is all, s.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message ...
What kind of hardware problem? Disk? RAM?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

"JD" wrote in message ...
It was a hardware problem. I had to build a new machine and now
everything is OK.

Thanks for your help.

"Brian A." wrote:

Rename all the RB###.cab files to RB###.OL1, RB###.OL2 and so on, shutdown, reboot and post back what happens.

--
Brian A.

Jack of all trades, Master of none.
One can never truly be a master as there is always more to learn.

"JD" wrote in message:
My Windows 98SE computer has developed a problem.

I can select Start, ShutDown, Restart and everything is good. It
restarts and runs good.

If I select Start, Shutdown, let it shutdown and power off the computer
using the power switch on the computer, the next time I start the
computer it hangs after everything loads and windows is up and running.

If I turn the power off to the computer using the power switching device
sitting under my monitor, the computer boots to windows but it runs
Scandisk. I stop Scandisk and windows is up and running.

I then run Scandisk and it has a few errors, one in particular was:

"The allocation chain for 'rb002.cab' in the'C:\Windows\Sysbckup' folder
indicates that part of this file or folder is stored in an invalid
location. Your computer uses the allocation chain to track where each of
your files and folders is stored."

I select "Repair by truncating the file" and Windows is up and running
and I don't have any computer problems. On more than one occasion the
lost clusters I save as a .chk file relate to rb00x.cab, the x is a
number from 1 to 5.

I've compared the .chk file to the corresponding rb00x.cab file and the
.chk file has data from my Daily Planner (AnyTimeDeluxe 9.1) that is not
in the rb00x.cab file.

I've taken everything out of my Start folder so I'm only loading
StillImageMonitor, ScanRegistry, SystemTray, TweakUI and EM_EXEC (my
logitech mouse driver).

Before it freezes, the mouse is working but the computer freezes with
the hourglass on the mouse. Ctrl-Alt-Del doesn't work.

I have troubleshot this machine until I'm cross-eyed and have not been
able to fix the problem. I've used Google, this newsgroup and the MS
knowledge base to research troubleshooting Windows 98 Start and ShutDown
problems. None of the troubleshooting has fixed the problem.

What is the difference between a cold boot and a warm boot? What process
is different that is causing the freeze?

--

JD..


--

JD..


--

JD..
 




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