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  #1  
Old February 1st 08, 01:00 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.disks.general
Peggy A
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Default Second Drive Not Recognized in Win98

I am trying to help a friend get her data from an old hard drive after her
motherboard died. This drive is from a 6-7 year old Gateway PC and it has the
older parallel connector, so I tried to add it as a second drive in an older
Dell Dimension XPS Pro PC running Windows 98 SE. I attached the second drive
as a slave and the BIOS recognizes it, but I cannot see it in Windows. I've
read other posts about needing to format the drive, but since this drive has
data on it, I cannot reformat it. I also tried attaching it as the primary
and only drive, but the system wouldn't boot. I even applied an update to the
BIOS thinking it may be a drive capacity issue since the second one is a 40
GB drive. That didn't have any impact either.

Is there a way to get Windows 98 to recognize this drive so I can copy the
data off of it for her? Any suggestions on the best way to get the data off
her drive would be appreciated.

Thanks.

--
Peggy A.
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  #2  
Old February 1st 08, 01:39 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.disks.general
philo
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Posts: 1,318
Default Second Drive Not Recognized in Win98


"Peggy A" wrote in message
...
I am trying to help a friend get her data from an old hard drive after her
motherboard died. This drive is from a 6-7 year old Gateway PC and it has

the
older parallel connector, so I tried to add it as a second drive in an

older
Dell Dimension XPS Pro PC running Windows 98 SE. I attached the second

drive
as a slave and the BIOS recognizes it, but I cannot see it in Windows.

I've
read other posts about needing to format the drive, but since this drive

has
data on it, I cannot reformat it. I also tried attaching it as the

primary
and only drive, but the system wouldn't boot. I even applied an update to

the
BIOS thinking it may be a drive capacity issue since the second one is a

40
GB drive. That didn't have any impact either.

Is there a way to get Windows 98 to recognize this drive so I can copy the
data off of it for her? Any suggestions on the best way to get the data

off
her drive would be appreciated.

Thanks.



If the drive came from another win98 machine...it should be visible

however if it came from a Win2k machine or an XP machine...the drive may
very well be formatted as NTFS
and not visible from win98 which cannot recognize NTFS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS


  #3  
Old September 29th 08, 01:21 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.disks.general
mikesmith
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Posts: 35
Default Second Drive Not Recognized in Win98



"philo" wrote:


"Peggy A" wrote in message
...
I am trying to help a friend get her data from an old hard drive after her
motherboard died. This drive is from a 6-7 year old Gateway PC and it has

the
older parallel connector, so I tried to add it as a second drive in an

older
Dell Dimension XPS Pro PC running Windows 98 SE. I attached the second

drive
as a slave and the BIOS recognizes it, but I cannot see it in Windows.

I've
read other posts about needing to format the drive, but since this drive

has
data on it, I cannot reformat it. I also tried attaching it as the

primary
and only drive, but the system wouldn't boot. I even applied an update to

the
BIOS thinking it may be a drive capacity issue since the second one is a

40
GB drive. That didn't have any impact either.

Is there a way to get Windows 98 to recognize this drive so I can copy the
data off of it for her? Any suggestions on the best way to get the data

off
her drive would be appreciated.

Thanks.



If the drive came from another win98 machine...it should be visible

however if it came from a Win2k machine or an XP machine...the drive may
very well be formatted as NTFS
and not visible from win98 which cannot recognize NTFS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS


Im having sort of the same problem as philo

My Operating System is Windows 98SE..
Ok here goes...
my computer motherboard *WAS*an ABIT KT7-RAID it died...
when the computer was running i had 2 hard drives installed on it..
1 MASTER (Operating System 98SE* And Programs ONLY*)..
1 SLAVE (for Data Backup And Storage Only)
both hard drives were on the *same IDE Cable*
their pins were set on MASTER and SlAVE
*Not* on cable select....

the Master hard drive was a
IBM DeskStar Hard Drive
Model: DPTA-371360 (ATA)
13.6 GB 7200 RPM
P/N 31L9151

the Slave hard drive was a
Quantum Fireball Hard Drive
Quantum Fireball lct20
Model ID: QML20000LD-A
20.4 GB 4500 RPM
P/N 204531-001

heres what happened
well my motherboard died so i got another motherboard that would work with
my parts off my old system..
a friend gave me a striped Compaq computer (MotherBoard and Case Only)
a *Compaq 5000US*
besides no over clocking in the Bios on the Compaq like My KT-7 had it works
pretty good..
i installed my processor (AMD Athlon 1200 - A1200AMS3B)
and my Memory sticks...
i installed My Windows 98SE Operating system On the IBM hard drive..
*just like on My old system*
Got it All running good...
im using it right now typing this...
its all running GREAT..
HERES THE PROBLEM..
then When i went to Put in My Quantum disk Drive with ALL my data on it
on the same IDE cable as The IBM with my OS
*just like i had set up in my old system*
REMEMBER i have the Quantum Slaved ALL READY..i Didn't Change Anything
Started up my System...
i Got a ERROR...
NO DISK FOUND
my system wouldent boot up..
i restarted and checked in my BIOS..
both Hard Drives were listed in the Bios As they should be..right Size and
all..
restarted it again...nothing..same Error
shut it all down...pulled out the Quantum Hard drive...
it stared up fine..booted fine no problems..system running good
so i thought id try putting the Quantum On the Second IDE cable...
the system booted up then...BUT NO D: DRIVE was showing...just the C: drive
was showing up...
pulled out the Quantum Again..put the Pin on the Quantum to Master..
same thing the drive was NOT showing...only the C: drive showing
restarted the computer again..
looked in my Bios Again..there it was Again..but showing as a Master on the
Second IDE now...like it should..since i changed it to that...
restarted my system...
NO D: drive showing up..
pulled out the Quantum...
put back My DVD burner and DVD ROM back on to the Second IDE...
they were working fine...so i know the Second IDE works
PUT the Quantium back in...then *checked it in Fdisk*..
it was showing up There...**BUT** the FAT wasent showing..it was showing as
UNKNOWN....Not FAT32 like it should be..the IBM was showing FAT32
i thought what the hecks going on i didnt change anything on it...
just pluged it in on my new system...
then i tried checking it with the Quantium Disk tool in DOS..
(Maxator Max Blaster 4.0 Partition tool)..
it was showing up as FAT32 in the Quantum disk tool...like it should..
i thought whats going on..one DOS tools showing it...ones not..
what the hecks going on....im worried im going to loose all my data i thought
was safe due to being on a seperate hard drive disk..
i didnt change anything on it just pluged it on to another Windows 98 system
it should be working fine..
i have done this before with other peoples system..pulled a hard drive from
one Windows 98 system..Slaved the Hard drive pin..
Put it on to another windows 98 system and had it always showed and was
always able to get data from them...
whats up with this one???
i am SOOO lost..
why isen't the FAT32 showing in Fdisk now
and *WHY IS IT*showing in the Quantium Disk tool for that type of hard
drive...
it was working fine before...
all i did was take a SLAVED Hard drive DATA Disk that was working fine..
and put it onto another system..
why isen't it working now??









  #4  
Old September 29th 08, 01:21 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.disks.general
mikesmith
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 35
Default Second Drive Not Recognized in Win98



"philo" wrote:


"Peggy A" wrote in message
...
I am trying to help a friend get her data from an old hard drive after her
motherboard died. This drive is from a 6-7 year old Gateway PC and it has

the
older parallel connector, so I tried to add it as a second drive in an

older
Dell Dimension XPS Pro PC running Windows 98 SE. I attached the second

drive
as a slave and the BIOS recognizes it, but I cannot see it in Windows.

I've
read other posts about needing to format the drive, but since this drive

has
data on it, I cannot reformat it. I also tried attaching it as the

primary
and only drive, but the system wouldn't boot. I even applied an update to

the
BIOS thinking it may be a drive capacity issue since the second one is a

40
GB drive. That didn't have any impact either.

Is there a way to get Windows 98 to recognize this drive so I can copy the
data off of it for her? Any suggestions on the best way to get the data

off
her drive would be appreciated.

Thanks.



If the drive came from another win98 machine...it should be visible

however if it came from a Win2k machine or an XP machine...the drive may
very well be formatted as NTFS
and not visible from win98 which cannot recognize NTFS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS


Im having sort of the same problem as philo

My Operating System is Windows 98SE..
Ok here goes...
my computer motherboard *WAS*an ABIT KT7-RAID it died...
when the computer was running i had 2 hard drives installed on it..
1 MASTER (Operating System 98SE* And Programs ONLY*)..
1 SLAVE (for Data Backup And Storage Only)
both hard drives were on the *same IDE Cable*
their pins were set on MASTER and SlAVE
*Not* on cable select....

the Master hard drive was a
IBM DeskStar Hard Drive
Model: DPTA-371360 (ATA)
13.6 GB 7200 RPM
P/N 31L9151

the Slave hard drive was a
Quantum Fireball Hard Drive
Quantum Fireball lct20
Model ID: QML20000LD-A
20.4 GB 4500 RPM
P/N 204531-001

heres what happened
well my motherboard died so i got another motherboard that would work with
my parts off my old system..
a friend gave me a striped Compaq computer (MotherBoard and Case Only)
a *Compaq 5000US*
besides no over clocking in the Bios on the Compaq like My KT-7 had it works
pretty good..
i installed my processor (AMD Athlon 1200 - A1200AMS3B)
and my Memory sticks...
i installed My Windows 98SE Operating system On the IBM hard drive..
*just like on My old system*
Got it All running good...
im using it right now typing this...
its all running GREAT..
HERES THE PROBLEM..
then When i went to Put in My Quantum disk Drive with ALL my data on it
on the same IDE cable as The IBM with my OS
*just like i had set up in my old system*
REMEMBER i have the Quantum Slaved ALL READY..i Didn't Change Anything
Started up my System...
i Got a ERROR...
NO DISK FOUND
my system wouldent boot up..
i restarted and checked in my BIOS..
both Hard Drives were listed in the Bios As they should be..right Size and
all..
restarted it again...nothing..same Error
shut it all down...pulled out the Quantum Hard drive...
it stared up fine..booted fine no problems..system running good
so i thought id try putting the Quantum On the Second IDE cable...
the system booted up then...BUT NO D: DRIVE was showing...just the C: drive
was showing up...
pulled out the Quantum Again..put the Pin on the Quantum to Master..
same thing the drive was NOT showing...only the C: drive showing
restarted the computer again..
looked in my Bios Again..there it was Again..but showing as a Master on the
Second IDE now...like it should..since i changed it to that...
restarted my system...
NO D: drive showing up..
pulled out the Quantum...
put back My DVD burner and DVD ROM back on to the Second IDE...
they were working fine...so i know the Second IDE works
PUT the Quantium back in...then *checked it in Fdisk*..
it was showing up There...**BUT** the FAT wasent showing..it was showing as
UNKNOWN....Not FAT32 like it should be..the IBM was showing FAT32
i thought what the hecks going on i didnt change anything on it...
just pluged it in on my new system...
then i tried checking it with the Quantium Disk tool in DOS..
(Maxator Max Blaster 4.0 Partition tool)..
it was showing up as FAT32 in the Quantum disk tool...like it should..
i thought whats going on..one DOS tools showing it...ones not..
what the hecks going on....im worried im going to loose all my data i thought
was safe due to being on a seperate hard drive disk..
i didnt change anything on it just pluged it on to another Windows 98 system
it should be working fine..
i have done this before with other peoples system..pulled a hard drive from
one Windows 98 system..Slaved the Hard drive pin..
Put it on to another windows 98 system and had it always showed and was
always able to get data from them...
whats up with this one???
i am SOOO lost..
why isen't the FAT32 showing in Fdisk now
and *WHY IS IT*showing in the Quantium Disk tool for that type of hard
drive...
it was working fine before...
all i did was take a SLAVED Hard drive DATA Disk that was working fine..
and put it onto another system..
why isen't it working now??









  #5  
Old September 30th 08, 07:04 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.disks.general,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
MEB[_2_]
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 1,626
Default Second Drive Not Recognized in Win98

Hi Mike,

If you post this issue in microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion you will
find more help. Let's see if a cross-post goes through, you'll need to pick
up that group if you aren't already pulling it [monitoring]

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org
a Peoples' counsel
_ _
~~
"mikesmith" wrote in message
...
|
|
| "philo" wrote:
|
|
| "Peggy A" wrote in message
| ...
| I am trying to help a friend get her data from an old hard drive after
her
| motherboard died. This drive is from a 6-7 year old Gateway PC and it
has
| the
| older parallel connector, so I tried to add it as a second drive in an
| older
| Dell Dimension XPS Pro PC running Windows 98 SE. I attached the second
| drive
| as a slave and the BIOS recognizes it, but I cannot see it in Windows.
| I've
| read other posts about needing to format the drive, but since this
drive
| has
| data on it, I cannot reformat it. I also tried attaching it as the
| primary
| and only drive, but the system wouldn't boot. I even applied an update
to
| the
| BIOS thinking it may be a drive capacity issue since the second one is
a
| 40
| GB drive. That didn't have any impact either.
|
| Is there a way to get Windows 98 to recognize this drive so I can copy
the
| data off of it for her? Any suggestions on the best way to get the
data
| off
| her drive would be appreciated.
|
| Thanks.
|
|
|
| If the drive came from another win98 machine...it should be visible
|
| however if it came from a Win2k machine or an XP machine...the drive may
| very well be formatted as NTFS
| and not visible from win98 which cannot recognize NTFS
|
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS
|
|
| Im having sort of the same problem as philo
| My Operating System is Windows 98SE..
| Ok here goes...
| my computer motherboard *WAS*an ABIT KT7-RAID it died...
| when the computer was running i had 2 hard drives installed on it..
| 1 MASTER (Operating System 98SE* And Programs ONLY*)..
| 1 SLAVE (for Data Backup And Storage Only)
| both hard drives were on the *same IDE Cable*
| their pins were set on MASTER and SlAVE
| *Not* on cable select....
|
| the Master hard drive was a
| IBM DeskStar Hard Drive
| Model: DPTA-371360 (ATA)
| 13.6 GB 7200 RPM
| P/N 31L9151
|
| the Slave hard drive was a
| Quantum Fireball Hard Drive
| Quantum Fireball lct20
| Model ID: QML20000LD-A
| 20.4 GB 4500 RPM
| P/N 204531-001
|
| heres what happened
| well my motherboard died so i got another motherboard that would work with
| my parts off my old system..
| a friend gave me a striped Compaq computer (MotherBoard and Case Only)
| a *Compaq 5000US*
| besides no over clocking in the Bios on the Compaq like My KT-7 had it
works
| pretty good..
| i installed my processor (AMD Athlon 1200 - A1200AMS3B)
| and my Memory sticks...
| i installed My Windows 98SE Operating system On the IBM hard drive..
| *just like on My old system*
| Got it All running good...
| im using it right now typing this...
| its all running GREAT..
| HERES THE PROBLEM..
| then When i went to Put in My Quantum disk Drive with ALL my data on it
| on the same IDE cable as The IBM with my OS
| *just like i had set up in my old system*
| REMEMBER i have the Quantum Slaved ALL READY..i Didn't Change Anything
| Started up my System...
| i Got a ERROR...
| NO DISK FOUND
| my system wouldent boot up..
| i restarted and checked in my BIOS..
| both Hard Drives were listed in the Bios As they should be..right Size and
| all..
| restarted it again...nothing..same Error
| shut it all down...pulled out the Quantum Hard drive...
| it stared up fine..booted fine no problems..system running good
| so i thought id try putting the Quantum On the Second IDE cable...
| the system booted up then...BUT NO D: DRIVE was showing...just the C:
drive
| was showing up...
| pulled out the Quantum Again..put the Pin on the Quantum to Master..
| same thing the drive was NOT showing...only the C: drive showing
| restarted the computer again..
| looked in my Bios Again..there it was Again..but showing as a Master on
the
| Second IDE now...like it should..since i changed it to that...
| restarted my system...
| NO D: drive showing up..
| pulled out the Quantum...
| put back My DVD burner and DVD ROM back on to the Second IDE...
| they were working fine...so i know the Second IDE works
| PUT the Quantium back in...then *checked it in Fdisk*..
| it was showing up There...**BUT** the FAT wasent showing..it was showing
as
| UNKNOWN....Not FAT32 like it should be..the IBM was showing FAT32
| i thought what the hecks going on i didnt change anything on it...
| just pluged it in on my new system...
| then i tried checking it with the Quantium Disk tool in DOS..
| (Maxator Max Blaster 4.0 Partition tool)..
| it was showing up as FAT32 in the Quantum disk tool...like it should..
| i thought whats going on..one DOS tools showing it...ones not..
| what the hecks going on....im worried im going to loose all my data i
thought
| was safe due to being on a seperate hard drive disk..
| i didnt change anything on it just pluged it on to another Windows 98
system
| it should be working fine..
| i have done this before with other peoples system..pulled a hard drive
from
| one Windows 98 system..Slaved the Hard drive pin..
| Put it on to another windows 98 system and had it always showed and was
| always able to get data from them...
| whats up with this one???
| i am SOOO lost..
| why isen't the FAT32 showing in Fdisk now
| and *WHY IS IT*showing in the Quantium Disk tool for that type of hard
| drive...
| it was working fine before...
| all i did was take a SLAVED Hard drive DATA Disk that was working fine..
| and put it onto another system..
| why isen't it working now??
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|


  #6  
Old September 30th 08, 07:04 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.disks.general,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
MEB[_2_]
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 1,626
Default Second Drive Not Recognized in Win98

Hi Mike,

If you post this issue in microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion you will
find more help. Let's see if a cross-post goes through, you'll need to pick
up that group if you aren't already pulling it [monitoring]

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org
a Peoples' counsel
_ _
~~
"mikesmith" wrote in message
...
|
|
| "philo" wrote:
|
|
| "Peggy A" wrote in message
| ...
| I am trying to help a friend get her data from an old hard drive after
her
| motherboard died. This drive is from a 6-7 year old Gateway PC and it
has
| the
| older parallel connector, so I tried to add it as a second drive in an
| older
| Dell Dimension XPS Pro PC running Windows 98 SE. I attached the second
| drive
| as a slave and the BIOS recognizes it, but I cannot see it in Windows.
| I've
| read other posts about needing to format the drive, but since this
drive
| has
| data on it, I cannot reformat it. I also tried attaching it as the
| primary
| and only drive, but the system wouldn't boot. I even applied an update
to
| the
| BIOS thinking it may be a drive capacity issue since the second one is
a
| 40
| GB drive. That didn't have any impact either.
|
| Is there a way to get Windows 98 to recognize this drive so I can copy
the
| data off of it for her? Any suggestions on the best way to get the
data
| off
| her drive would be appreciated.
|
| Thanks.
|
|
|
| If the drive came from another win98 machine...it should be visible
|
| however if it came from a Win2k machine or an XP machine...the drive may
| very well be formatted as NTFS
| and not visible from win98 which cannot recognize NTFS
|
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS
|
|
| Im having sort of the same problem as philo
| My Operating System is Windows 98SE..
| Ok here goes...
| my computer motherboard *WAS*an ABIT KT7-RAID it died...
| when the computer was running i had 2 hard drives installed on it..
| 1 MASTER (Operating System 98SE* And Programs ONLY*)..
| 1 SLAVE (for Data Backup And Storage Only)
| both hard drives were on the *same IDE Cable*
| their pins were set on MASTER and SlAVE
| *Not* on cable select....
|
| the Master hard drive was a
| IBM DeskStar Hard Drive
| Model: DPTA-371360 (ATA)
| 13.6 GB 7200 RPM
| P/N 31L9151
|
| the Slave hard drive was a
| Quantum Fireball Hard Drive
| Quantum Fireball lct20
| Model ID: QML20000LD-A
| 20.4 GB 4500 RPM
| P/N 204531-001
|
| heres what happened
| well my motherboard died so i got another motherboard that would work with
| my parts off my old system..
| a friend gave me a striped Compaq computer (MotherBoard and Case Only)
| a *Compaq 5000US*
| besides no over clocking in the Bios on the Compaq like My KT-7 had it
works
| pretty good..
| i installed my processor (AMD Athlon 1200 - A1200AMS3B)
| and my Memory sticks...
| i installed My Windows 98SE Operating system On the IBM hard drive..
| *just like on My old system*
| Got it All running good...
| im using it right now typing this...
| its all running GREAT..
| HERES THE PROBLEM..
| then When i went to Put in My Quantum disk Drive with ALL my data on it
| on the same IDE cable as The IBM with my OS
| *just like i had set up in my old system*
| REMEMBER i have the Quantum Slaved ALL READY..i Didn't Change Anything
| Started up my System...
| i Got a ERROR...
| NO DISK FOUND
| my system wouldent boot up..
| i restarted and checked in my BIOS..
| both Hard Drives were listed in the Bios As they should be..right Size and
| all..
| restarted it again...nothing..same Error
| shut it all down...pulled out the Quantum Hard drive...
| it stared up fine..booted fine no problems..system running good
| so i thought id try putting the Quantum On the Second IDE cable...
| the system booted up then...BUT NO D: DRIVE was showing...just the C:
drive
| was showing up...
| pulled out the Quantum Again..put the Pin on the Quantum to Master..
| same thing the drive was NOT showing...only the C: drive showing
| restarted the computer again..
| looked in my Bios Again..there it was Again..but showing as a Master on
the
| Second IDE now...like it should..since i changed it to that...
| restarted my system...
| NO D: drive showing up..
| pulled out the Quantum...
| put back My DVD burner and DVD ROM back on to the Second IDE...
| they were working fine...so i know the Second IDE works
| PUT the Quantium back in...then *checked it in Fdisk*..
| it was showing up There...**BUT** the FAT wasent showing..it was showing
as
| UNKNOWN....Not FAT32 like it should be..the IBM was showing FAT32
| i thought what the hecks going on i didnt change anything on it...
| just pluged it in on my new system...
| then i tried checking it with the Quantium Disk tool in DOS..
| (Maxator Max Blaster 4.0 Partition tool)..
| it was showing up as FAT32 in the Quantum disk tool...like it should..
| i thought whats going on..one DOS tools showing it...ones not..
| what the hecks going on....im worried im going to loose all my data i
thought
| was safe due to being on a seperate hard drive disk..
| i didnt change anything on it just pluged it on to another Windows 98
system
| it should be working fine..
| i have done this before with other peoples system..pulled a hard drive
from
| one Windows 98 system..Slaved the Hard drive pin..
| Put it on to another windows 98 system and had it always showed and was
| always able to get data from them...
| whats up with this one???
| i am SOOO lost..
| why isen't the FAT32 showing in Fdisk now
| and *WHY IS IT*showing in the Quantium Disk tool for that type of hard
| drive...
| it was working fine before...
| all i did was take a SLAVED Hard drive DATA Disk that was working fine..
| and put it onto another system..
| why isen't it working now??
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|


  #7  
Old September 30th 08, 07:26 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.disks.general,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Jeff Richards
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 1,526
Default Second Drive Not Recognized in Win98

If you were using some disk management software for the Quantum drive when
it was a slave in the old machine, then that software is not running now and
the partitioning will not be recognised by Windows. That would produce the
symptoms you are seeing - the drive is recognised in BIOS and some
information can be accessed but it is inconsistent and not sufficient to
allow Windows (or DOS) to recognise it as properly partitioned or formatted.

This would be the case if the old BIOS was not capable of recognising the
full capacity of that drive and you had to use management software to make
it compatible, or if you originally configured the drive using the drive
manufacturer's configuration utility (whether it was really needed or not).

You can get a similar result if the logical block mapping is different
between the two BIOSes. Sometimes, manually configuring the BIOS settings
for the new machine can get you back to a compatible setting.

It's also possible that when the motherboard died it took the drive with it.
Run the manufacturer's diagnostics to confirm that the drive really is
working OK.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"MEB" meb@not wrote in message
...
Hi Mike,

If you post this issue in microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion you will
find more help. Let's see if a cross-post goes through, you'll need to
pick
up that group if you aren't already pulling it [monitoring]

"mikesmith" wrote in message
...
|
| snip |
|
| Im having sort of the same problem as philo
| My Operating System is Windows 98SE..
| Ok here goes...
| my computer motherboard *WAS*an ABIT KT7-RAID it died...
| when the computer was running i had 2 hard drives installed on it..
| 1 MASTER (Operating System 98SE* And Programs ONLY*)..
| 1 SLAVE (for Data Backup And Storage Only)
| both hard drives were on the *same IDE Cable*
| their pins were set on MASTER and SlAVE
| *Not* on cable select....
|
| the Master hard drive was a
| IBM DeskStar Hard Drive
| Model: DPTA-371360 (ATA)
| 13.6 GB 7200 RPM
| P/N 31L9151
|
| the Slave hard drive was a
| Quantum Fireball Hard Drive
| Quantum Fireball lct20
| Model ID: QML20000LD-A
| 20.4 GB 4500 RPM
| P/N 204531-001
|
| heres what happened
| well my motherboard died so i got another motherboard that would work
with
| my parts off my old system..
| a friend gave me a striped Compaq computer (MotherBoard and Case Only)
| a *Compaq 5000US*
| besides no over clocking in the Bios on the Compaq like My KT-7 had it
works
| pretty good..
| i installed my processor (AMD Athlon 1200 - A1200AMS3B)
| and my Memory sticks...
| i installed My Windows 98SE Operating system On the IBM hard drive..
| *just like on My old system*
| Got it All running good...
| im using it right now typing this...
| its all running GREAT..
| HERES THE PROBLEM..
| then When i went to Put in My Quantum disk Drive with ALL my data on it
| on the same IDE cable as The IBM with my OS
| *just like i had set up in my old system*
| REMEMBER i have the Quantum Slaved ALL READY..i Didn't Change Anything
| Started up my System...
| i Got a ERROR...
| NO DISK FOUND
| my system wouldent boot up..
| i restarted and checked in my BIOS..
| both Hard Drives were listed in the Bios As they should be..right Size
and
| all..
| restarted it again...nothing..same Error
| shut it all down...pulled out the Quantum Hard drive...
| it stared up fine..booted fine no problems..system running good
| so i thought id try putting the Quantum On the Second IDE cable...
| the system booted up then...BUT NO D: DRIVE was showing...just the C:
drive
| was showing up...
| pulled out the Quantum Again..put the Pin on the Quantum to Master..
| same thing the drive was NOT showing...only the C: drive showing
| restarted the computer again..
| looked in my Bios Again..there it was Again..but showing as a Master on
the
| Second IDE now...like it should..since i changed it to that...
| restarted my system...
| NO D: drive showing up..
| pulled out the Quantum...
| put back My DVD burner and DVD ROM back on to the Second IDE...
| they were working fine...so i know the Second IDE works
| PUT the Quantium back in...then *checked it in Fdisk*..
| it was showing up There...**BUT** the FAT wasent showing..it was showing
as
| UNKNOWN....Not FAT32 like it should be..the IBM was showing FAT32
| i thought what the hecks going on i didnt change anything on it...
| just pluged it in on my new system...
| then i tried checking it with the Quantium Disk tool in DOS..
| (Maxator Max Blaster 4.0 Partition tool)..
| it was showing up as FAT32 in the Quantum disk tool...like it should..
| i thought whats going on..one DOS tools showing it...ones not..
| what the hecks going on....im worried im going to loose all my data i
thought
| was safe due to being on a seperate hard drive disk..
| i didnt change anything on it just pluged it on to another Windows 98
system
| it should be working fine..
| i have done this before with other peoples system..pulled a hard drive
from
| one Windows 98 system..Slaved the Hard drive pin..
| Put it on to another windows 98 system and had it always showed and was
| always able to get data from them...
| whats up with this one???
| i am SOOO lost..
| why isen't the FAT32 showing in Fdisk now
| and *WHY IS IT*showing in the Quantium Disk tool for that type of hard
| drive...
| it was working fine before...
| all i did was take a SLAVED Hard drive DATA Disk that was working fine..
| and put it onto another system..
| why isen't it working now??
|



  #8  
Old September 30th 08, 07:26 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.disks.general,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Jeff Richards
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 1,526
Default Second Drive Not Recognized in Win98

If you were using some disk management software for the Quantum drive when
it was a slave in the old machine, then that software is not running now and
the partitioning will not be recognised by Windows. That would produce the
symptoms you are seeing - the drive is recognised in BIOS and some
information can be accessed but it is inconsistent and not sufficient to
allow Windows (or DOS) to recognise it as properly partitioned or formatted.

This would be the case if the old BIOS was not capable of recognising the
full capacity of that drive and you had to use management software to make
it compatible, or if you originally configured the drive using the drive
manufacturer's configuration utility (whether it was really needed or not).

You can get a similar result if the logical block mapping is different
between the two BIOSes. Sometimes, manually configuring the BIOS settings
for the new machine can get you back to a compatible setting.

It's also possible that when the motherboard died it took the drive with it.
Run the manufacturer's diagnostics to confirm that the drive really is
working OK.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"MEB" meb@not wrote in message
...
Hi Mike,

If you post this issue in microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion you will
find more help. Let's see if a cross-post goes through, you'll need to
pick
up that group if you aren't already pulling it [monitoring]

"mikesmith" wrote in message
...
|
| snip |
|
| Im having sort of the same problem as philo
| My Operating System is Windows 98SE..
| Ok here goes...
| my computer motherboard *WAS*an ABIT KT7-RAID it died...
| when the computer was running i had 2 hard drives installed on it..
| 1 MASTER (Operating System 98SE* And Programs ONLY*)..
| 1 SLAVE (for Data Backup And Storage Only)
| both hard drives were on the *same IDE Cable*
| their pins were set on MASTER and SlAVE
| *Not* on cable select....
|
| the Master hard drive was a
| IBM DeskStar Hard Drive
| Model: DPTA-371360 (ATA)
| 13.6 GB 7200 RPM
| P/N 31L9151
|
| the Slave hard drive was a
| Quantum Fireball Hard Drive
| Quantum Fireball lct20
| Model ID: QML20000LD-A
| 20.4 GB 4500 RPM
| P/N 204531-001
|
| heres what happened
| well my motherboard died so i got another motherboard that would work
with
| my parts off my old system..
| a friend gave me a striped Compaq computer (MotherBoard and Case Only)
| a *Compaq 5000US*
| besides no over clocking in the Bios on the Compaq like My KT-7 had it
works
| pretty good..
| i installed my processor (AMD Athlon 1200 - A1200AMS3B)
| and my Memory sticks...
| i installed My Windows 98SE Operating system On the IBM hard drive..
| *just like on My old system*
| Got it All running good...
| im using it right now typing this...
| its all running GREAT..
| HERES THE PROBLEM..
| then When i went to Put in My Quantum disk Drive with ALL my data on it
| on the same IDE cable as The IBM with my OS
| *just like i had set up in my old system*
| REMEMBER i have the Quantum Slaved ALL READY..i Didn't Change Anything
| Started up my System...
| i Got a ERROR...
| NO DISK FOUND
| my system wouldent boot up..
| i restarted and checked in my BIOS..
| both Hard Drives were listed in the Bios As they should be..right Size
and
| all..
| restarted it again...nothing..same Error
| shut it all down...pulled out the Quantum Hard drive...
| it stared up fine..booted fine no problems..system running good
| so i thought id try putting the Quantum On the Second IDE cable...
| the system booted up then...BUT NO D: DRIVE was showing...just the C:
drive
| was showing up...
| pulled out the Quantum Again..put the Pin on the Quantum to Master..
| same thing the drive was NOT showing...only the C: drive showing
| restarted the computer again..
| looked in my Bios Again..there it was Again..but showing as a Master on
the
| Second IDE now...like it should..since i changed it to that...
| restarted my system...
| NO D: drive showing up..
| pulled out the Quantum...
| put back My DVD burner and DVD ROM back on to the Second IDE...
| they were working fine...so i know the Second IDE works
| PUT the Quantium back in...then *checked it in Fdisk*..
| it was showing up There...**BUT** the FAT wasent showing..it was showing
as
| UNKNOWN....Not FAT32 like it should be..the IBM was showing FAT32
| i thought what the hecks going on i didnt change anything on it...
| just pluged it in on my new system...
| then i tried checking it with the Quantium Disk tool in DOS..
| (Maxator Max Blaster 4.0 Partition tool)..
| it was showing up as FAT32 in the Quantum disk tool...like it should..
| i thought whats going on..one DOS tools showing it...ones not..
| what the hecks going on....im worried im going to loose all my data i
thought
| was safe due to being on a seperate hard drive disk..
| i didnt change anything on it just pluged it on to another Windows 98
system
| it should be working fine..
| i have done this before with other peoples system..pulled a hard drive
from
| one Windows 98 system..Slaved the Hard drive pin..
| Put it on to another windows 98 system and had it always showed and was
| always able to get data from them...
| whats up with this one???
| i am SOOO lost..
| why isen't the FAT32 showing in Fdisk now
| and *WHY IS IT*showing in the Quantium Disk tool for that type of hard
| drive...
| it was working fine before...
| all i did was take a SLAVED Hard drive DATA Disk that was working fine..
| and put it onto another system..
| why isen't it working now??
|



  #9  
Old October 1st 08, 06:42 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.disks.general,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
mikesmith
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 35
Default Second Drive Not Recognized in Win98


"Jeff Richards" wrote:
If you were using some disk management software for the Quantum drive when
it was a slave in the old machine, then that software is not running now and
the partitioning will not be recognised by Windows. That would produce the
symptoms you are seeing - the drive is recognised in BIOS and some
information can be accessed but it is inconsistent and not sufficient to
allow Windows (or DOS) to recognise it as properly partitioned or formatted.
This would be the case if the old BIOS was not capable of recognising the
full capacity of that drive and you had to use management software to make
it compatible, or if you originally configured the drive using the drive
manufacturer's configuration utility (whether it was really needed or not).

You can get a similar result if the logical block mapping is different
between the two BIOSes. Sometimes, manually configuring the BIOS settings
for the new machine can get you back to a compatible setting.

It's also possible that when the motherboard died it took the drive with it.
Run the manufacturer's diagnostics to confirm that the drive really is
working OK.

Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"MEB" meb@not wrote in message
...

***
Hey jeff
thanks for answering my post
i don't know everything about computers..
but i may know a little bit more then some people...
please keep this in mind..

you wrote:
*If you were using some disk management software*

i wasent using any disk management software..
i dont think that is it...

you wrote:
*or if you originally configured the drive using the drive
manufacturer's configuration utility (whether it was really needed or not).*

this might be it Jeff..
not 100% really sure..
heres where things get a lil foggy..
(Due to building my old system about 5-6 years ago..)
i have never had to reinstall the operating system ever (98SE)..
it worked great from day 1 of me building it..
no problems ever..
can you believe that...
never having to re-install Windows

Anyways...
when i first built it ..
heres what i think i did when i went to install my second hard drive

*FIRST* i Low level formated the Hard drive with the Quantium tool (MAXTOR)
I KNOW FOR SURE I DID THAT...
then..
heres where the foggy part is, that im not really sure about..
i SWEAR this is what happened...
BUT NOT! 100% sure though..
(like i said this was 6 years ago...)

THEN i put in Fdisk and
partition the Hard Drive and formated it ..I KNOW I DID THIS

BUT!! then..i think..not 100% sure
then when i went to reboot my computer..
Windows didnt see the D: drive..
i was like what the hecks going on here!!...
so i put back in the Quantum tool..
and as soon as i did...it may have done something
and said something like..
not compatable with your current system you need to *SOMETHING*
i forget..
i think i just clicked OK..
and it did something..
then i rebooted..
and there was my D: drive..
all i remember was being happy..
because it was BIGGEST Hard Drive i EVER had and it was working..lol...
(ha ha 20 Gigs BIG!!... 6 years look how far we've come..anyways)
yeah in not really sure...
but im kinda thinking maybe thats what happened..

and now im worring that your going to say..
im going to loose all that data..
just because i may have
originally configured the drive using the drive manufacturer's configuration
utility

how can i check and see if i did do that???...can i?

then you wrote..
*You can get a similar result if the logical block mapping is different
between the two BIOSes. Sometimes, manually configuring the BIOS settings
for the new machine can get you back to a compatible setting.

im lost here..
i do know
that my bios in my Abit KT7 had WAY MORE options..
like i could set the paramaters manualy for the Hard drives..
cylinders..blocks...and stuff like that

and the new Compaq motherboard dosen't have nothing much in it..
only stuff like Enable Dissable UMDA...a few other things..
it doesen't even show much about the hard drives info..
just the name and size of the Hard drives that about it..
yeah the Compaq Bios is nothing compared to the Abits Bios..
the Compaq Bios is for pre-schoolers..
so i think that might not be a option to change much there..

so Jeff buddy what do you think?
what if i did do the configuration thing with the Quantum tool..
any thing?..
i still have the Quantum tool..
and there is some options in it..
but im not sure of what some of Options even do...
i dont want to do anything to loose this data..
like pick a option in the tool and have it make things worse then they are..
any more ideas or thoughts?
if not thanks so much for the information you gave me so far..
and if not..
yeah thanks so much for trying to help me..
yeah Jeff..thanks so much for your time buddy..
yeah thanks alout buddy
yeah your wicked cool for trying to even help..
thanks alot!!




  #10  
Old October 1st 08, 06:42 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.disks.general,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
mikesmith
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 35
Default Second Drive Not Recognized in Win98


"Jeff Richards" wrote:
If you were using some disk management software for the Quantum drive when
it was a slave in the old machine, then that software is not running now and
the partitioning will not be recognised by Windows. That would produce the
symptoms you are seeing - the drive is recognised in BIOS and some
information can be accessed but it is inconsistent and not sufficient to
allow Windows (or DOS) to recognise it as properly partitioned or formatted.
This would be the case if the old BIOS was not capable of recognising the
full capacity of that drive and you had to use management software to make
it compatible, or if you originally configured the drive using the drive
manufacturer's configuration utility (whether it was really needed or not).

You can get a similar result if the logical block mapping is different
between the two BIOSes. Sometimes, manually configuring the BIOS settings
for the new machine can get you back to a compatible setting.

It's also possible that when the motherboard died it took the drive with it.
Run the manufacturer's diagnostics to confirm that the drive really is
working OK.

Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"MEB" meb@not wrote in message
...

***
Hey jeff
thanks for answering my post
i don't know everything about computers..
but i may know a little bit more then some people...
please keep this in mind..

you wrote:
*If you were using some disk management software*

i wasent using any disk management software..
i dont think that is it...

you wrote:
*or if you originally configured the drive using the drive
manufacturer's configuration utility (whether it was really needed or not).*

this might be it Jeff..
not 100% really sure..
heres where things get a lil foggy..
(Due to building my old system about 5-6 years ago..)
i have never had to reinstall the operating system ever (98SE)..
it worked great from day 1 of me building it..
no problems ever..
can you believe that...
never having to re-install Windows

Anyways...
when i first built it ..
heres what i think i did when i went to install my second hard drive

*FIRST* i Low level formated the Hard drive with the Quantium tool (MAXTOR)
I KNOW FOR SURE I DID THAT...
then..
heres where the foggy part is, that im not really sure about..
i SWEAR this is what happened...
BUT NOT! 100% sure though..
(like i said this was 6 years ago...)

THEN i put in Fdisk and
partition the Hard Drive and formated it ..I KNOW I DID THIS

BUT!! then..i think..not 100% sure
then when i went to reboot my computer..
Windows didnt see the D: drive..
i was like what the hecks going on here!!...
so i put back in the Quantum tool..
and as soon as i did...it may have done something
and said something like..
not compatable with your current system you need to *SOMETHING*
i forget..
i think i just clicked OK..
and it did something..
then i rebooted..
and there was my D: drive..
all i remember was being happy..
because it was BIGGEST Hard Drive i EVER had and it was working..lol...
(ha ha 20 Gigs BIG!!... 6 years look how far we've come..anyways)
yeah in not really sure...
but im kinda thinking maybe thats what happened..

and now im worring that your going to say..
im going to loose all that data..
just because i may have
originally configured the drive using the drive manufacturer's configuration
utility

how can i check and see if i did do that???...can i?

then you wrote..
*You can get a similar result if the logical block mapping is different
between the two BIOSes. Sometimes, manually configuring the BIOS settings
for the new machine can get you back to a compatible setting.

im lost here..
i do know
that my bios in my Abit KT7 had WAY MORE options..
like i could set the paramaters manualy for the Hard drives..
cylinders..blocks...and stuff like that

and the new Compaq motherboard dosen't have nothing much in it..
only stuff like Enable Dissable UMDA...a few other things..
it doesen't even show much about the hard drives info..
just the name and size of the Hard drives that about it..
yeah the Compaq Bios is nothing compared to the Abits Bios..
the Compaq Bios is for pre-schoolers..
so i think that might not be a option to change much there..

so Jeff buddy what do you think?
what if i did do the configuration thing with the Quantum tool..
any thing?..
i still have the Quantum tool..
and there is some options in it..
but im not sure of what some of Options even do...
i dont want to do anything to loose this data..
like pick a option in the tool and have it make things worse then they are..
any more ideas or thoughts?
if not thanks so much for the information you gave me so far..
and if not..
yeah thanks so much for trying to help me..
yeah Jeff..thanks so much for your time buddy..
yeah thanks alout buddy
yeah your wicked cool for trying to even help..
thanks alot!!




 




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