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Internet Explorer 7 Released
"David H. Lipman" wrote:
From: "S. Pidgorny MVP" | | As a business, they must be interested in making money. They also give free | Internet access in certain areas - I bet they don't have enough | clickodollars generated by that service to cover the cost. And we have the | whole Web 2.0 story clearly catalysed by Google. | | Will they actupon the abuse complaint? Not sure. | I ahve gotten them to take action. It is NOT easy. However, they can and will if enough abuse and subsequent complaints are filed. I'd bet if Google was more responsive to complaints about spam originating from Google Groups and Gmail, the world would see a *considerable* drop in numbers. Notan |
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The Real Internet Explorer 7 Download
"John H Meyers" wrote in message
news [newsgroups trimmed/expanded to related groups] On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 01:16:43 -0600, Roger Abell [MVP] wrote: [IE7's] Looks are the minor portion, as are usability feature changes. Most people will not notice the core improvements or how they impact securability, except by sites/codes that are broken until their supplier fixes them. Since MS had a very lengthy campaign to get the work [word?] out and let providers fix their sites and codes well ahead of IE 7 release, I just use it to measure the degree of consumer concern of those providers. I also gladly leave those providers behind, at least for the time being, and enjoy the bit of enhanced ease of mind from leaving IE 6 behind. Does this mean that Microsoft needs the cooperation of web designers to protect Windows, while other browsers have instead concentrated on making their browsers immune to security vulnerabilities, without disabling them from being useful with the existing world of sites out there? That's a really twisted reading of the piece you quoted. Microsoft needs the cooperation of a number of people to protect Windows. For instance, they need the cooperation of users, who will cooperate by downloading and installing new, more secure, versions of Internet Explorer as they come out, whether they're upgrades or patches. Users will be disinclined to upgrade if their favourite web sites don't work on the upgraded version of Internet Explorer, whether it's because the web site checks the UserAgent header for exact matching to a version number of Internet Explorer, or because the web site relies on bugs in IE6's rendering of CSS elements and subsequently looks ugly on IE7. So, yes, website designers do have some impact in how well users are secured. Is Microsoft the dictator of web standards, which if followed would solve the compatibility problems, or is Microsoft a major violator of web standards, which is the bane of so many webmasters who would rather not have to cater to the separate dictates of one single company? In many ways, yes, Microsoft dictates web standards - if your web site doesn't work, or is difficult to use, or ugly, in the majority browser, you will cut yourself off from the majority of your audience. You have a choice as a web designer - you can stick with your design "because the standard says this should work", or you can make it work with whatever browser is in use by the majority of your readers. Since web design is generally geared at a mass market, you can't reliably tell users "this site only works on Nobby's web browser version 2.321" and expect them all to download and run that version, no matter how good its adherence to documented standards may be. Users will simply avoid your web site. I don't think you have a good argument in this case, approaching Microsoft as some evil flouter of standards, given the significant work they have done in IE7 to more correctly support existing CSS standards. By the way, I'm using Windows 2000, which is still supposed to be "supported" by Microsoft, yet IE7 doesn't take Windows 2000 into consideration, which seems in part to be a marketing device to try to force users to buy more MS software to replace inadequate previous versions that MS is deserting, Windows 2000 has been in "Extended Support" (i.e. out of "Mainstream Support") since June 30, 2005. That's eighteen months ago. Extended Support is essentially the "come on, really, this operating system is way too old" phase, during which you should already have planned your upgrade. As you say, it's now an inadequate older version of Windows, and your system is patched over patches on top of other patches. Microsoft isn't forcing you to buy more software; but they're not giving you new features for free any more. You've exceeded the lifecycle of what you've paid for. [Security patches are still available - but only for the next six months from Windows Update; after that, you'll have to search for them the old-fashioned way.] as well as having to replace hardware as well to meet its extraordinary demands on wasting hardware resources for itself; Are you really proud to be running on hardware and software that was originally designed for the threat landscape of the last century? Windows 2000's core is seven years old - that was the last time it was reviewed by its developers as a whole package. Since then, it's only received patches and fixes. I suspect that all this is doing much to support a desertion of MS by people adopting other alternatives, who are just as glad to leave Microsoft behind. How long do those alternatives offer full-on support for? Alun. ~~~~ |
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Internet Explorer 7 Released
"John H Meyers" wrote in message
news [newsgroups trimmed to those actually related] On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 13:02:13 -0600: I note that you don't mention whether the cruise lines you mention support FireFox - just that it works. The fact that a site actually works with all (or most) browsers is de facto "supporting" those browsers; Then those sites are also supporting IE7, right now. Alun. ~~~~ |
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Internet Explorer 7 Released
Hmm, there was not a considerable jump in global spam from before Google
Groups and Gmail were part of the mix, what makes you think that removing them would provide a global impact in significantly reducing spam? bb Nolan wrote: I'd bet if Google was more responsive to complaints about spam originating from Google Groups and Gmail, the world would see a *considerable* drop in numbers. |
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The Real Internet Explorer 7 Download
"John H Meyers" wrote in message
news [newsgroups trimmed/expanded to related groups] [IE7's] Looks are the minor portion, as are usability feature changes. Most people will not notice the core improvements or how they impact securability, except by sites/codes that are broken until their supplier fixes them. Since MS had a very lengthy campaign to get the word out and let providers fix their sites and codes well ahead of IE 7 release, I just use it to measure the degree of consumer concern of those providers. Does this mean that Microsoft needs the cooperation of web designers to protect Windows, while other browsers have instead concentrated on making their browsers immune to security vulnerabilities, without disabling them from being useful with the existing world of sites out there? Of course not. It does mean that those availing themselves of "features", or loose behaviors that are now tighten need to adjust. Many of those same sites have been "broken" for me for quite some time, as I would not use IE 6 in an off-the-shelf condition. Is Microsoft the dictator of web standards, which if followed would solve the compatibility problems, or is Microsoft a major violator of web standards, which is the bane of so many webmasters who would rather not have to cater to the separate dictates of one single company? Sure, where have you been ? In reality, we are still seeing the legacy from the era when Netscape dominated and MS pulled out the plugs to try to introduce new, compelling, rich and dynamic behaviors. Remember the days, Netscape's JSS, etc., no common DOM, the emergence of ActiveX, etc.. What was that? 1997 ? With this release, MS actually has moved more toward the sandbox default that some of us have advised since the push to discover how to be dynamic, functional and persisting, but loose benefits of the Mosaic syle sandbox. By the way, I'm using Windows 2000, which is still supposed to be "supported" by Microsoft, yet IE7 doesn't take Windows 2000 who are just as glad to leave Microsoft behind. New product is not developed for SKU that are not in mainstream lifecycle. I am glad, as it allows concentration of the dev resource where they want to be, on gen next. |
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The Real Internet Explorer 7 Download
I'm on my 11th year online and IE7 is the best yet. No compatability issues
with my Win XP Media Edition nor my other machines XP Pro. I esp like the popups that come up warning you if you've clicked on a phishing* webpage (* phishing sites are those posing as authentic websites typically sent as a link in an Email and require you to enter some personal information which may cause you to be a victim of identity theft) Even with years of internet experience I been so busy sometimes that I've almost dropped my guard and went to one of those false websites before. I would recommend getting the IE7 download ASAP from the security stand point alone. OK, I'm off the soapbox now. Thanks Steve in OK "Roger Abell [MVP]" wrote in message ... "Carole" wrote in message ... Roger Abell [MVP] wrote: The official distribution, if one prefers not to use Microsoft Update http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/...s/default.mspx (for Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 only) Or better still, buy a Mac! euuuuh ! -- ra |
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The Real Internet Explorer 7 Download
"Hyes' Hubby" wrote in message ... I'm on my 11th year online and IE7 is the best yet. No compatability issues with my Win XP Media Edition nor my other machines XP Pro. (snip) I do like it , but I have the latest version available and it hangs. It will stop responding and freeze during surfing. I would think others would experience this too. |
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The Real Internet Explorer 7 Download
On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 19:55:53 -0600, Hyes' Hubby wrote:
I'm on my 11th year online and IE7 is the best yet. I esp like the popups that come up warning you if you've clicked on a phishing webpage It's about time that IE has begun catching up with Opera http://www.opera.com Season's greetings and highest spirits to everyone. -[ ]- |
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The Real Internet Explorer 7 Download
I like Mozilla Firefox. It is more powerful and more compartible browser
for Windows. Carole : Roger Abell [MVP] wrote: The official distribution, if one prefers not to use Microsoft Update http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/...s/default.mspx (for Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 only) Or better still, buy a Mac! |
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