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  #31  
Old September 3rd 06, 12:30 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
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Mike M wrote:
You asked earlier about reinstalling Win Me over itself. Since you
haven't felt the need to install any updates then you have nothing to
lose by doing this. Damage is done only if the user has updated their
system such as having installed IE6 or WMP9 and special procedures need
to be taken to remove these components before reinstalling the OS. The
same also applies to XP but the components involved differ somewhat.

Boot Win Me and then run setup.exe from the folder containing BASE2.CAB.

I am intrigued at your saying that your DOS program won't work in XP
whereas it does in Win Me since Win Me like XP doesn't strictly run DOS
as such but am guessing that it is closer than XP's cmd.exe

One solution you may wish to consider if running XP Pro rather than Home
is to use VPC (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/vir.../default.mspx),
now free, and to run Win Me or even DOS 6.22 or whatever in a virtual
machine on XP.

Mike, I am very much intrigued by the Virtual PC idea,
and have bookmarked the link, and printed out the document.
As a scientist, and having worked with APL for 30+ years, with its
Virtual Workspaces, I think I know the concept. Whether I would
ever be able to unravel all that is probably involved with that
software, is another question. For now, as I mentioned to Ron, I
have backed down from ME to WIN 98 and am hoping to be able to
solve the problems there. You get a Triple A-Plus for your efforts,
but the time came to back away from our impasse,at least pro tem.

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  #32  
Old September 3rd 06, 12:36 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
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William,

I hadn't picked up on the reference in your original post to your having
1GB of RAM on the box as this is going to cause problems with any Win 9x
system, 98 or Me unless vcache is limited in the way mentioned by Ron as
otherwise the system is going to rapidly run out of upper memory address
space. Nevertheless if the only reason for running a 9x system is to run
certain DOS based programs I think you would find checking out VPC
(Virtual PC) as mentioned in my message posted at 20:42 BST on 1 Sept a
worthwhile exercise. You could then run Win98 or Me or DOS, etc. in a VPC
window on your XP machine.
--
Mike Maltby



wrote:

Thank you, Ron. I've put the ME version of my software
(on its own hard drive) aside for now, since no solution
appeared after many efforts by me and especially Mike
Maltby. I have backed off to the WIN 98, where problems
with DOS-based programs are far less severe. I can't
answer you from here, and I'm going to stick with ole
reliable WIN 98 for now, but I've bookmarked this whole
thread and will get back to you in the future. Thanks again.


  #33  
Old September 3rd 06, 12:43 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
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William,

VPC is really easy to use. If I can do it I am sure you can. For example
on this box (XP Pro SP2) I have virtual machines with Win 98 (both out of
the box and fully patched, Win Me, out of the box and fully patched, XP
Pro SP2 (you don't always want to test install software on a "real"
machine), and a couple of Vista builds. The big drawback but not relevant
to your problem is no access to USB devices such as scanners and the video
and sound emulation is of rather ancient devices by current standards.
The beauty of running a virtual machine is at the end of the session you
can either commit your work to disk so that when you next start it is as
you left it or quite the virtual machine without saving meaning that the
system when next started knows nothing of the previous session.

Best of luck with whatever you choose to do.
--
Mike Maltby



wrote:


Mike, I am very much intrigued by the Virtual PC idea,
and have bookmarked the link, and printed out the document.
As a scientist, and having worked with APL for 30+ years, with its
Virtual Workspaces, I think I know the concept. Whether I would
ever be able to unravel all that is probably involved with that
software, is another question. For now, as I mentioned to Ron, I
have backed down from ME to WIN 98 and am hoping to be able to
solve the problems there. You get a Triple A-Plus for your efforts,
but the time came to back away from our impasse,at least pro tem.


  #34  
Old September 3rd 06, 02:14 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
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Mike M wrote:
William,

I hadn't picked up on the reference in your original post to your having
1GB of RAM on the box as this is going to cause problems with any Win 9x
system, 98 or Me unless vcache is limited in the way mentioned by Ron as
otherwise the system is going to rapidly run out of upper memory address
space. Nevertheless if the only reason for running a 9x system is to
run certain DOS based programs I think you would find checking out VPC
(Virtual PC) as mentioned in my message posted at 20:42 BST on 1 Sept a
worthwhile exercise. You could then run Win98 or Me or DOS, etc. in a
VPC window on your XP machine.


Mike, maybe I'm reading it wrong, but I'm getting the impression
that all we went through on that 'not enough memory' exercise would
have been obviated if I had fixed the 'MaxFileCache' as Ron pointed out.
This puts me into a 3-way dilemma:
1. Do I go back to ME and fix that and see if everything
clears up?
2. Or do I proceed with WIN 98 where I believe I have not much more
than finding the right modem driver?
3. Or do I put both of those aside and tackle something entirely
new, which just sprung to life today?
You can't make the decision for me, but I think I know what has
the best chance of producing results in reasonable time,. I think
it's easiest for me to fix that vcache and see if it breaks my Me
problem open. I'd like your opinion on that, and perhaps the exact steps
to follow in ME.
If that fails, the WIN98 seems most likely to take the least time
to get me 'on the air'.
But VPC is certainly the most elegant and flexible and
powerful. I'm thinking aloud here, and I'd appreciate your following
my thoughts with some fill-in.

I know.... it's 0215 in the U.K., but you'll be up before I am.

Bill L. William B. Lurie
  #35  
Old September 3rd 06, 03:12 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
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William,

You need to fix the vcache problem whether you are running Win 98 or Win
Me. For details see KBKB 253912 - ""Out of Memory" Error Messages with
Large Amounts of RAM installed" (http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=253912)
which you will see applies to Win95, 98, 98SE and Win Me.

The quickest solution to your problem is to install whichever OS you have
that gives you the best chances of running your software. The more
elegant solution is to give VPC a go even if it doesn't meet your
immediate requirements you may well find it useful at some future time.

I can't really help you with VPC but feel free to ask questions, probably
better via e-mail, once you have got it up and running. One essential
point to remember is to install the VM additions once you have your basic
virtual machine installed as this then allows more configuration etc. I
also use dynamic disks, in other words my virtual drives are not of fixed
size and are only of the size required for what I have installed although
note that once they get enlarged their size cannot be easily reduced. My
basic out of the box Win Me virtual drive is a 500MB file and the fully
updated Win Me IE6 SP1 drive 1.5GB (no major apps installed). Each
virtual "drive" being a single file on the host system. You can, of
course, share and access drives on the host. You can also decide how much
host RAM to allocate to the VM. Give it a whirl it's an amazing tool only
limited by the restrictions on accessing and utilising external hardware.
--
Mike Maltby
MS-MVP Windows



wrote:

Mike, maybe I'm reading it wrong, but I'm getting the impression
that all we went through on that 'not enough memory' exercise would
have been obviated if I had fixed the 'MaxFileCache' as Ron pointed
out. This puts me into a 3-way dilemma:
1. Do I go back to ME and fix that and see if everything
clears up?
2. Or do I proceed with WIN 98 where I believe I have not much more
than finding the right modem driver?
3. Or do I put both of those aside and tackle something entirely
new, which just sprung to life today?
You can't make the decision for me, but I think I know what has
the best chance of producing results in reasonable time,. I think
it's easiest for me to fix that vcache and see if it breaks my Me
problem open. I'd like your opinion on that, and perhaps the exact
steps to follow in ME.
If that fails, the WIN98 seems most likely to take the least time
to get me 'on the air'.
But VPC is certainly the most elegant and flexible and
powerful. I'm thinking aloud here, and I'd appreciate your following
my thoughts with some fill-in.

I know.... it's 0215 in the U.K., but you'll be up before I am.

Bill L. William B. Lurie


  #36  
Old September 3rd 06, 01:30 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
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Ron Martell wrote:
wrote:

But I have plenty (1GB) and 3 GB empty on hard drive.
This is a fairly new installation and I just upgraded to
video so that I could use high resolution. When I
went to setup the modem, it wouldn't let me......
not enough memory, close some programs. But I have
practically nothing running.

Please tell me how I can run Task Manager in ME so
that I can see what's happening in RAM.

Thanks.


What specific applications are producing these error messages?

Does the message read "not enough memory" or does it read "not enough
free memory"

You have 1 gb of RAM. With that amount of RAM you *must* have the
following entry in the [vcache] section of the system.ini file in
order to avoid false "out of memory" errors:

MaxFileCache=512000

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada

Thank you again, Ron, and good afternoon, Mike.
I found and installed the indicated entry into
[vcache] section of sys.ini in msconfig. Haven't
time this morning to try the next giant step forward,
but will do so today. In goung around again to check
that the entry 'took', I note that there is a blank
line above the entry I made, and my entry has a
thin slanty symbol to its left that I can't identify.
I'm assuming that Mother Nature intended it to be
that way. Next I'll try installing the modem driver.

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  #37  
Old September 5th 06, 02:19 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
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wrote:
Ron Martell wrote:
wrote:

But I have plenty (1GB) and 3 GB empty on hard drive.
This is a fairly new installation and I just upgraded to
video so that I could use high resolution. When I
went to setup the modem, it wouldn't let me......
not enough memory, close some programs. But I have
practically nothing running.

Please tell me how I can run Task Manager in ME so
that I can see what's happening in RAM.

Thanks.


What specific applications are producing these error messages?

Does the message read "not enough memory" or does it read "not enough
free memory"

You have 1 gb of RAM. With that amount of RAM you *must* have the
following entry in the [vcache] section of the system.ini file in
order to avoid false "out of memory" errors:

MaxFileCache=512000

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada

Thank you again, Ron, and good afternoon, Mike.
I found and installed the indicated entry into
[vcache] section of sys.ini in msconfig. Haven't
time this morning to try the next giant step forward,
but will do so today. In going around again to check
that the entry 'took', I note that there is a blank
line above the entry I made, and my entry has a
thin slanty symbol to its left that I can't identify.
I'm assuming that Mother Nature intended it to be
that way. Next I'll try installing the modem driver.

I believe that solved the problem, Ron, and I thought I
posted a large *thank you* yesterday. And to you as well,
Mike, for your patience after a sticky wicket start. I
have since installed and run applications, even a modem
and FAX program, one of the main reasons for reinstalling
an older OS.

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William B. Lurie
  #38  
Old September 5th 06, 09:07 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
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That's good to read William and also well done to Ron for picking up on
what I had missed in your original post.
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wrote:

I believe that solved the problem, Ron, and I thought I
posted a large *thank you* yesterday. And to you as well,
Mike, for your patience after a sticky wicket start. I
have since installed and run applications, even a modem
and FAX program, one of the main reasons for reinstalling
an older OS.


  #39  
Old September 5th 06, 05:58 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
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"Mike M" wrote:

That's good to read William and also well done to Ron for picking up on
what I had missed in your original post.


Tag-team problem solving often brings the best results. Glad to be of
some assistance.

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
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has never been in bed with a mosquito."
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Old September 6th 06, 03:30 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
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Ron Martell wrote:
"Mike M" wrote:

That's good to read William and also well done to Ron for picking up on
what I had missed in your original post.


Tag-team problem solving often brings the best results. Glad to be of
some assistance.

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada

And to quote an old math expression:

Once again...the whole is equal to the sum of its parts.

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