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Old September 21st 04, 02:19 AM
Webster72n
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Is there a free version of PartitionMagic available?
I have tried some things, but without success.
Thanx.

Harry, old and moving along.


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Old September 21st 04, 02:54 AM
heirloom
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Not unless you wish to attain "pirate" status, AFAIK.
Heirloom, old and no patch on my eye


"Webster72n" wrote in message
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Is there a free version of PartitionMagic available?
I have tried some things, but without success.
Thanx.

Harry, old and moving along.




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Old September 21st 04, 03:49 AM
Ron Martell
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"Webster72n" wrote:

Is there a free version of PartitionMagic available?
I have tried some things, but without success.
Thanx.

Harry, old and moving along.



Not a free version, no.

You can often find it priced quite cheaply on eBay, especially the
version or two prior to the current version.

Another option is BootIt Next Generation from www.bootiting.com It is
priced lower than Partition Magic, has pretty much the same
capabilities, and has a full functioning 30 day trial period.

Good luck


Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
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Microsoft MVP
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

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Old September 21st 04, 04:26 AM
Webster72n
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Don't need a patch on your eye, Heirloom.
Meanwhile I found what I was loking for:
"SwissKnifeV3" by 'CompuApps'.
Check it out and let us know, what you think.
Just don't be too hard on me when you come back.

Harry, also old and unpredictable.


"heirloom" wrote in message
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Not unless you wish to attain "pirate" status, AFAIK.
Heirloom, old and no patch on my eye


"Webster72n" wrote in message
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Is there a free version of PartitionMagic available?
I have tried some things, but without success.
Thanx.

Harry, old and moving along.






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Old September 21st 04, 06:00 AM
Shane
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Harry,

Trouble with this is to really check it out one has to partition their drive
with it :-)

As for Ron's recommendation, BING has an additional advantage in that it
can - assuming the burning software - generate a bootable cd. However, BING
is considerably more complex than PM and must be run from DOS.

PM - unless run from another OS in a multiboot system - will do the work in
DOS.

The advantage of running from another OS, ie from Windows, is speed. Roughly
I'd say PM is 4 - 10 times faster run from Windows. This is partly why it is
much preferred to partition before installing Windows, or if too late for
that, before installing much additional software or indeed any large amounts
of data - the data will probably be moved, which can take several hours in
DOS. The other reason for doing this before installing, is there is always
a - admittedly, slight - danger of data loss, notably if there's a power
outage during the operation, but simply cancelling once the operation has
begun can waste the partition.

Anyway, my main point is, the operation *will only* run from DOS and you
don't need the full PM program for that. Just the Rescue Disks will suffice.
In fact, just the 2nd floppy is required, as the first is simply a boot
disk. While the 1st boots Caldera DOS, the 2nd floppy will still run PM if
you booted with a standard MS-DOS boot disk.


Shane


"Webster72n" wrote in message
...

Don't need a patch on your eye, Heirloom.
Meanwhile I found what I was loking for:
"SwissKnifeV3" by 'CompuApps'.
Check it out and let us know, what you think.
Just don't be too hard on me when you come back.

Harry, also old and unpredictable.


"heirloom" wrote in message
...
Not unless you wish to attain "pirate" status, AFAIK.
Heirloom, old and no patch on my eye


"Webster72n" wrote in message
...
Is there a free version of PartitionMagic available?
I have tried some things, but without success.
Thanx.

Harry, old and moving along.








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Old September 21st 04, 10:21 PM
Webster72n
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Shane:
The way I understand it, Partitioning should take place before installing
the OS. That means, in my case it's already too late, since just about all
my programs are installed.
Then why do they tell you partitioning without data loss?
Reading that claim motivated me to persue this avenue.
The way you and Ron describe it, provokes me to loose interest. I am not too
familiar with the dos commands.
Would it be advantageous for me to learn some of them?
Thanks for the clarification, Shane.

Harry, old and must rest (after claning furnace).


"Shane" wrote in message
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Harry,

Trouble with this is to really check it out one has to partition their

drive
with it :-)

As for Ron's recommendation, BING has an additional advantage in that it
can - assuming the burning software - generate a bootable cd. However,

BING
is considerably more complex than PM and must be run from DOS.

PM - unless run from another OS in a multiboot system - will do the work

in
DOS.

The advantage of running from another OS, ie from Windows, is speed.

Roughly
I'd say PM is 4 - 10 times faster run from Windows. This is partly why it

is
much preferred to partition before installing Windows, or if too late for
that, before installing much additional software or indeed any large

amounts
of data - the data will probably be moved, which can take several hours in
DOS. The other reason for doing this before installing, is there is always
a - admittedly, slight - danger of data loss, notably if there's a power
outage during the operation, but simply cancelling once the operation has
begun can waste the partition.

Anyway, my main point is, the operation *will only* run from DOS and you
don't need the full PM program for that. Just the Rescue Disks will

suffice.
In fact, just the 2nd floppy is required, as the first is simply a boot
disk. While the 1st boots Caldera DOS, the 2nd floppy will still run PM if
you booted with a standard MS-DOS boot disk.


Shane


"Webster72n" wrote in message
...

Don't need a patch on your eye, Heirloom.
Meanwhile I found what I was loking for:
"SwissKnifeV3" by 'CompuApps'.
Check it out and let us know, what you think.
Just don't be too hard on me when you come back.

Harry, also old and unpredictable.


"heirloom" wrote in message
...
Not unless you wish to attain "pirate" status, AFAIK.
Heirloom, old and no patch on my eye


"Webster72n" wrote in message
...
Is there a free version of PartitionMagic available?
I have tried some things, but without success.
Thanx.

Harry, old and moving along.










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Old September 22nd 04, 01:37 AM
Shane
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Harry,

The way I understand it, Partitioning should take place before installing
the OS. That means, in my case it's already too late, since just about all
my programs are installed.


It's just the ideal situation. The more disk space is in use, the longer the
process will take. Before installation there's effectively none in use and
partitioning is almost instant. After OS installation but before much else
the process will take longer. But Win ME doesn't take much space by itself -
c. 300M - so it's not too painful.

Once you're getting to, say, the 1G + mark, it's likely to get
frustratingly-long. But it will depend on CPU/RAM/HD speed too. This kind of
operation is notably faster on the 2.6GHz DDR RAM laptop I have here than on
the 850 MHz SDRAM desktop.

As for data loss, I have partitioned many, many times and only ever had one
failure - when I cancelled on realising an operation would take many hours
and lost the contents of one partition (but most of which was duplicated
elsewhere and none of which was irreplaceable).

But, if you have an uninterruptible power supply or live in an area where
you're confident there won't be any outages.........well,
personally-speaking, I'd set the operation in motion and go do something
else and come back later to see if it's finished.

Then why do they tell you partitioning without data loss?


That's probably how it will be. But zero data loss is not something that can
be guaranteed. Power cuts, lightning strikes, hard drive failure,
particularly-nasty viruses.

The important thing to do is back up irreplaceable data - burn it to cdr or
whatever. Backups are essential, whatever operation you run. If you have
data you can't afford to (or would really prefer not to) lose. But this is
why you're considering partitioning in the first place isn't it?

Reading that claim motivated me to persue this avenue.
The way you and Ron describe it, provokes me to loose interest. I am not

too
familiar with the dos commands.


You don't need a knowledge of DOS commands to run either PM from the rescue
disk set or BING. They boot to the program and it's a point-and-click
interface from there. Your mouse - assuming it's PS2 - will work. While if
you were using the Windows version of Partition Magic you'd execute it from
within Windows and it would reboot and run in DOS with no need for user
input.

Would it be advantageous for me to learn some of them?


Practically there's little point. *If* and when you need to learn any, your
best bet would probably be to ask, eg here, at that time.


Shane


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Old September 22nd 04, 10:59 AM
Joan Archer
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Harry, Shane has given you a good explanation about it and I'll add that I
have done it without any problems.

On my old machine I had WinME and quite a few programs installed, so I
installed PM7 and then created a new partition so that I could install XP.
I took note of all the advise I received here from the likes of Shane,
Mike and Noel and went ahead, needless to say it went without a hitch and
as I am no expert in any sense of the word when it comes to computers I
was happy. I also did work with it when I gave the machine to my daughter
and took XP of the machine and gave the space back to WinME which was a
preinstalled version.

I know nothing about DOS and wouldn't know where to start but you
shouldn't have any problems, if I can do it I'm sure you will be able to.
Joan

Webster72n wrote:
Shane:
The way I understand it, Partitioning should take place before
installing the OS. That means, in my case it's already too late,
since just about all my programs are installed.
snip



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Old September 22nd 04, 03:22 PM
Webster72n
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That is good to know, Joan and I will go ahead with it.
Last night I had some problems with "disconnect" in writing a reply post to
Shane.
I will have to retrieve and send it again.
Thank you for your input.

Harry, old and still upbeat.


"Joan Archer" wrote in message
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Harry, Shane has given you a good explanation about it and I'll add that I
have done it without any problems.

On my old machine I had WinME and quite a few programs installed, so I
installed PM7 and then created a new partition so that I could install XP.
I took note of all the advise I received here from the likes of Shane,
Mike and Noel and went ahead, needless to say it went without a hitch and
as I am no expert in any sense of the word when it comes to computers I
was happy. I also did work with it when I gave the machine to my daughter
and took XP of the machine and gave the space back to WinME which was a
preinstalled version.

I know nothing about DOS and wouldn't know where to start but you
shouldn't have any problems, if I can do it I'm sure you will be able to.
Joan

Webster72n wrote:
Shane:
The way I understand it, Partitioning should take place before
installing the OS. That means, in my case it's already too late,
since just about all my programs are installed.
snip





  #10  
Old September 22nd 04, 03:50 PM
Webster72n
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Don't know what really happened last night, Shane, but here is the saved
post reply:

*How nicely explained, Shane.
Now I will go ahead and do as planned.
I have two backup programs in place and two partitioning programs as well..
Taking my time, I'll have a chance to choose and take my pick..
After all the trouble I went through before, my machine works beautifully.
The only problem left since my last "fix" is my Iomega 100MB Zip Drive. It
was rendered unusable and the new one I ordered over the internet from
CompuVest doesn't seem to work either and I am communicating with them at
this point..
One more thing before I leave, Shane:
You mentioned interruption problems. The only somewhat predictable one I
have, is being 'disconnected".
It's just happening as I am writing this post.
I am supposed to check my password and then try again,
with error number 691, I believe.
It occurrs right out of the blue.
I wonder whether this might have anything to do with My MSIMN error?
For now I am forced to save this message.*

Harry, old and trying to cope.


"Shane" wrote in message
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Harry,

The way I understand it, Partitioning should take place before

installing
the OS. That means, in my case it's already too late, since just about

all
my programs are installed.


It's just the ideal situation. The more disk space is in use, the longer

the
process will take. Before installation there's effectively none in use and
partitioning is almost instant. After OS installation but before much else
the process will take longer. But Win ME doesn't take much space by

itself -
c. 300M - so it's not too painful.

Once you're getting to, say, the 1G + mark, it's likely to get
frustratingly-long. But it will depend on CPU/RAM/HD speed too. This kind

of
operation is notably faster on the 2.6GHz DDR RAM laptop I have here than

on
the 850 MHz SDRAM desktop.

As for data loss, I have partitioned many, many times and only ever had

one
failure - when I cancelled on realising an operation would take many hours
and lost the contents of one partition (but most of which was duplicated
elsewhere and none of which was irreplaceable).

But, if you have an uninterruptible power supply or live in an area where
you're confident there won't be any outages.........well,
personally-speaking, I'd set the operation in motion and go do something
else and come back later to see if it's finished.

Then why do they tell you partitioning without data loss?


That's probably how it will be. But zero data loss is not something that

can
be guaranteed. Power cuts, lightning strikes, hard drive failure,
particularly-nasty viruses.

The important thing to do is back up irreplaceable data - burn it to cdr

or
whatever. Backups are essential, whatever operation you run. If you have
data you can't afford to (or would really prefer not to) lose. But this is
why you're considering partitioning in the first place isn't it?

Reading that claim motivated me to persue this avenue.
The way you and Ron describe it, provokes me to loose interest. I am not

too
familiar with the dos commands.


You don't need a knowledge of DOS commands to run either PM from the

rescue
disk set or BING. They boot to the program and it's a point-and-click
interface from there. Your mouse - assuming it's PS2 - will work. While if
you were using the Windows version of Partition Magic you'd execute it

from
within Windows and it would reboot and run in DOS with no need for user
input.

Would it be advantageous for me to learn some of them?


Practically there's little point. *If* and when you need to learn any,

your
best bet would probably be to ask, eg here, at that time.


Shane




 




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