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  #11  
Old February 15th 07, 10:26 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.apps
MEB
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 1,050
Default Daylight Savings Patch




"John John" wrote in message
...
| MEB wrote:
| "... et al." wrote in message
| ...
| | tom wrote:
| |
| | "... et al."wrote:
| |
| | tom wrote:
| |
| | "PCR" wrote:
| |
| | MEB wrote:
| | |http://www.grystmill.com/articles/tz_update.htm
| |
| | Subsequently, Terhune agreed with John John in another thread that
| steps
| | (g) though (j) [below] would also have to be done after running
his
| | .reg, but obviously not steps (a) through (h). Looks like the one
| | from...http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#TZU
| | ...does it's own (g) through (j), though. Terhune had an objection
to
| | that one, though, for another reason.
| |
| | Where are these conversations? I cannot find them when I search
the
| | news groups.
| |
| | Gary answering 'John John', agreeing he'd forgotten to add
something:
| |
| |
| |
| | The above link does not work.
| |
| | It's a Universal, well Global, Resource Identifier not limited to
| | Google. If it works depends on setup (Newsclient & OS) and the
retention
| | of posts at your Newsgroup Service Provider. It is the same thing as
| | what you found via the next link:
| |
| |
|
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion/...
| |
| | That still does not explain if you need to do those steps for 98SE.
| | It's pretty ambiguous. Are the extra steps needed for some systems,
| | but not all? I am not sure.
| |
| | I have a bunch of systems to do, so I would like to avoid extra
steps
| | if possible.
| |
| | Understandable.
| |
| | In my 'locale' /they/ haven't changed these self-delusion rules,
with
| | mucking around with /relative/ time, recently so i have only
skimmed
| | through the discussions about it.
| |
| | So you'd better wait until the earth turns so that Gary, PCR and the
| | others 'over there' wakes up and and comes back to you with more
| | detailed info.
| |
| | --
| | Nah-ah. I'm staying out of this. ... Now, here's my opinion.
| |
| | Please followup in the newsgroup.
| | E-mail address is invalid due to spam-control.
|
| IIRC, the issue was addressed.
| One issue was the need to shut down the computer to ensure the registry
| changes took effect on 98 and NT [unlike other newer OSs that might
refresh
| hives occasionally or automatically] but then if one installs much if
| anything that should be a no-brainer, no shutdown - no proper registry
| changes and potential loss due to some prewritten registry loss or other
| issue. I would do this shutdown and restart for either suggested fix and
| EVERY installation regardless of no supposed need. Its always better to
be
| safe than sorry. We should all realize by now, how effective others
claims
| are,; one need only think of how many times have we had to override
defaults
| or set program settings for them to work in our individual and unique
| systems.
|
| As for the need to change timezones back and forth: that, to me, seems
it
| would be taken care of during the time period from now til the actual
change
| period. The registry will/should have been updated everywhere [swap and
| otherwise] due to length of time involved; however, if INSTANT
verification
| is needed, or if waiting until the "last minute" or after the change has
| taken effect, then it appears, the timezone changeovers would be needed,
as
| these would force instant change, again with necessary shutdowns and
| restarts.
|
| But then Gary would be the one to actually confirm exactly what his
| modification requires, and what those who tested it reported. Just as
the
| one on MGDX would have to be verified by the users of that particular
fix.
|
| I open this discussion again for those verifications of either or other
| fixes.
|
| As I understand it, on Windows 98 the information is stored in these 2
| registry keys:
|
| HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Time Zones
|
| HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\TimeZoneInformation
|
| The first key contains the database for _ALL_ time zones. The second
| key contains the information for the time zone _CURRENTLY_ being used on
| the computer. The information in this second key was _COPIED_ from the
| database information stored in the first key _WHEN_ the time zone was
| set. If the information now is different than when the time zone was
| set, the information in the second key has to be refreshed to reflect
| the changes made in the first key, if not the time will not change as
| expected on the new date.
|
| The information above can be confirmed (infered) by reading various
| Microsoft KB articles regarding time zones and Windows 9x. For example
| this is explained in one article:
|
| [quote]
|
| Changes made with Time Zone Editor affect the stored data for time zones
| in the registry. If a time zone is already set on the computer, that
| data is saved in another location in the registry. In order for the new
| information to be used, you must use the Date/Time tool in Control Panel
| and select or re-select the time zone.
|
| [End quote]
|
| http://support.microsoft.com/kb/158195/
| http://support.microsoft.com/kb/886775
|
| In these articles Microsoft clearly instructs Windows 98 users to change
| the information in the HKLM TimeZoneInformation key.
|
| John
|
|

So in essence, if those areas are properly changed by the fixes, then the
next shutdown and hard restart would complete the change including residuals
in, for instance, the swap file and residuals in memory ..

Correct?

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/
BLOG - http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real
world"
http://groups.google.com/group/the-peoples-law?hl=en - discussion group for
general aspects of Law verses the Peoples' of the world

"Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth.
Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if
nothing had happen." Winston Churchill
Or to put it another way:
Morpheus can offer you the two pills;
but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one.
_______________


  #12  
Old February 16th 07, 12:30 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.apps
John John
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 359
Default Daylight Savings Patch

MEB wrote:

"John John" wrote in message
...
| MEB wrote:
| "... et al." wrote in message
| ...
| | tom wrote:
| |
| | "... et al."wrote:
| |
| | tom wrote:
| |
| | "PCR" wrote:
| |
| | MEB wrote:
| | |http://www.grystmill.com/articles/tz_update.htm
| |
| | Subsequently, Terhune agreed with John John in another thread that
| steps
| | (g) though (j) [below] would also have to be done after running
his
| | .reg, but obviously not steps (a) through (h). Looks like the one
| | from...http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#TZU
| | ...does it's own (g) through (j), though. Terhune had an objection
to
| | that one, though, for another reason.
| |
| | Where are these conversations? I cannot find them when I search
the
| | news groups.
| |
| | Gary answering 'John John', agreeing he'd forgotten to add
something:
| |
| |
| |
| | The above link does not work.
| |
| | It's a Universal, well Global, Resource Identifier not limited to
| | Google. If it works depends on setup (Newsclient & OS) and the
retention
| | of posts at your Newsgroup Service Provider. It is the same thing as
| | what you found via the next link:
| |
| |
|
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion/...
| |
| | That still does not explain if you need to do those steps for 98SE.
| | It's pretty ambiguous. Are the extra steps needed for some systems,
| | but not all? I am not sure.
| |
| | I have a bunch of systems to do, so I would like to avoid extra
steps
| | if possible.
| |
| | Understandable.
| |
| | In my 'locale' /they/ haven't changed these self-delusion rules,
with
| | mucking around with /relative/ time, recently so i have only
skimmed
| | through the discussions about it.
| |
| | So you'd better wait until the earth turns so that Gary, PCR and the
| | others 'over there' wakes up and and comes back to you with more
| | detailed info.
| |
| | --
| | Nah-ah. I'm staying out of this. ... Now, here's my opinion.
| |
| | Please followup in the newsgroup.
| | E-mail address is invalid due to spam-control.
|
| IIRC, the issue was addressed.
| One issue was the need to shut down the computer to ensure the registry
| changes took effect on 98 and NT [unlike other newer OSs that might
refresh
| hives occasionally or automatically] but then if one installs much if
| anything that should be a no-brainer, no shutdown - no proper registry
| changes and potential loss due to some prewritten registry loss or other
| issue. I would do this shutdown and restart for either suggested fix and
| EVERY installation regardless of no supposed need. Its always better to
be
| safe than sorry. We should all realize by now, how effective others
claims
| are,; one need only think of how many times have we had to override
defaults
| or set program settings for them to work in our individual and unique
| systems.
|
| As for the need to change timezones back and forth: that, to me, seems
it
| would be taken care of during the time period from now til the actual
change
| period. The registry will/should have been updated everywhere [swap and
| otherwise] due to length of time involved; however, if INSTANT
verification
| is needed, or if waiting until the "last minute" or after the change has
| taken effect, then it appears, the timezone changeovers would be needed,
as
| these would force instant change, again with necessary shutdowns and
| restarts.
|
| But then Gary would be the one to actually confirm exactly what his
| modification requires, and what those who tested it reported. Just as
the
| one on MGDX would have to be verified by the users of that particular
fix.
|
| I open this discussion again for those verifications of either or other
| fixes.
|
| As I understand it, on Windows 98 the information is stored in these 2
| registry keys:
|
| HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Time Zones
|
| HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\TimeZoneInformation
|
| The first key contains the database for _ALL_ time zones. The second
| key contains the information for the time zone _CURRENTLY_ being used on
| the computer. The information in this second key was _COPIED_ from the
| database information stored in the first key _WHEN_ the time zone was
| set. If the information now is different than when the time zone was
| set, the information in the second key has to be refreshed to reflect
| the changes made in the first key, if not the time will not change as
| expected on the new date.
|
| The information above can be confirmed (infered) by reading various
| Microsoft KB articles regarding time zones and Windows 9x. For example
| this is explained in one article:
|
| [quote]
|
| Changes made with Time Zone Editor affect the stored data for time zones
| in the registry. If a time zone is already set on the computer, that
| data is saved in another location in the registry. In order for the new
| information to be used, you must use the Date/Time tool in Control Panel
| and select or re-select the time zone.
|
| [End quote]
|
| http://support.microsoft.com/kb/158195/
| http://support.microsoft.com/kb/886775
|
| In these articles Microsoft clearly instructs Windows 98 users to change
| the information in the HKLM TimeZoneInformation key.
|
| John
|
|

So in essence, if those areas are properly changed by the fixes, then the
next shutdown and hard restart would complete the change including residuals
in, for instance, the swap file and residuals in memory ..

Correct?


A reboot is not be necessary for changes in those registry keys to take
effect.

John
  #13  
Old February 16th 07, 04:24 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.apps
PCR
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 4,396
Default Daylight Savings Patch

MEB wrote:
| "PCR" wrote in message
| ...
|| MEB wrote:
|| | "tom" wrote in message
|| | ups.com...
|| || Anyone had experience with the patch from:
|| ||
|| || http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#TZU
|| ||
|| || That is:
|| ||
|| || Q931836.exe
|| ||
|| || Thanks!
|| ||
|| || I have a number of 98 systems and I don't want to do them
|| || manually if I
|| || can avoid it.
|| ||
|| |
|| | That happens to be an update to a TZ "fix" that was discussed in
|| | this forum via several threads.
|| | To combat, or rather address other potential aspects which may be
|| | related [or not] Gary Terhune MVP created [or is
|| | modifying/creating] a TZ file for all versions of Windows, with
|| | the various issues related to other areas of the world [if I
|| | remember correctly].
|| |
|| | http://www.grystmill.com/articles/tz_update.htm
||
|| Subsequently, Terhune agreed with John John in another thread that
|| steps (g) though (j) [below] would also have to be done after
|| running his .reg, but obviously not steps (a) through (h). Looks
|| like the one from...
|| http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#TZU
|| ...does it's own (g) through (j), though. Terhune had an objection to
|| that one, though, for another reason.
|
| Debatable though, but we respect Terhune soo..
| BG

Those are my sentiments too. It's Colorado who first discovered the mdgx
site, & it's up to him to get bloody with Terhune-- not us!

| DANG, I saw cquirke rolled through,,, did he stay to chat or was
| this the immaculate desception... grab him quick before he gets away..

I could have used him in a DOS thread or two, but they have dried up
now. Still, it WOULD be nice for someone to grab & hogtie him in a
closet for the next one!

||
|| The following is required to do in the USA only...
||
|| http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=914387
|| How to configure daylight saving time for the United States in 2007
|| ......Quote.......
|| INTRODUCTION
|| Because of the Energy Policy Act, daylight saving time is extended by
|| four weeks in 2007. This change starts on the second Sunday of March
|| and ends on the first Sunday of November.
|| ......EOQ.........
||
|| The time has come to follow the instructions in that article, or,
|| perhaps a bit more clear...
||
|| (a) Click TZEDIT.EXE.
|| It opens with your time zone selected.
|| (b) Click the Edit button.
|| (c) Change the Start Day to... Second, Sunday, March.
|| (d) Change the Last Day to... First, Sunday, November.
|| (e) Click the OK button.
|| (f) Click the Close button.
|| (g) Click Start, point to Settings, point to Control Panel,
|| and then double-click Date/Time.
|| (h) Click the Time Zone tab.
|| (i) Select a different time zone than (the one you are set at),
|| and then click Apply.
|| (j) Click (back to the one you were set at), and then click OK.
||
|| "Note Steps i and j are required for the new changes to take effect",
|| the article says, as does TZEdit's own help screen.
||
|| Do so before March 11, 2007. If you cannot get TZEdit.exe from your
|| personal copy of the Resource Kit, get it from the above article as
|| Candlin saw or from...
||
|
ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/services/tec...Reskit/CONFIG/...,
|| as Laura Fredericks did discover, after likely 1/2 ton of clicking
|| (although she denies it).
||
|| | --
|| | MEB
|| | _______________
||
|| --
|| Thanks or Good Luck,
|| There may be humor in this post, and,
|| Naturally, you will not sue,
|| Should things get worse after this,
|| PCR
||
||
||
|
| --
| MEB
|
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/
| BLOG - http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the
| "real world"
| http://groups.google.com/group/the-peoples-law?hl=en - discussion
| group for general aspects of Law verses the Peoples' of the world
|
| "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth.
| Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business
| as if nothing had happen." Winston Churchill
| Or to put it another way:
| Morpheus can offer you the two pills;
| but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue
| one. _______________

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR



  #14  
Old February 16th 07, 04:40 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.apps
PCR
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 4,396
Default Daylight Savings Patch

tom wrote:
| On Feb 14, 7:44 pm, "PCR" wrote:
| MEB wrote:
| | "tom" wrote in message
|
| oups.com...
| || Anyone had experience with the patch from:
| ||
| ||http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#TZU
| ||
| || That is:
| ||
| || Q931836.exe
| ||
| || Thanks!
| ||
| || I have a number of 98 systems and I don't want to do them
| || manually if I
| || can avoid it.
| ||
| |
| | That happens to be an update to a TZ "fix" that was discussed in
| | this forum via several threads.
| | To combat, or rather address other potential aspects which may be
| | related [or not] Gary Terhune MVP created [or is
| | modifying/creating] a TZ file for all versions of Windows, with
| | the various issues related to other areas of the world [if I
| | remember correctly].
| |
| |http://www.grystmill.com/articles/tz_update.htm
|
| Subsequently, Terhune agreed with John John in another thread that
| steps (g) though (j) [below] would also have to be done after
| running his .reg, but obviously not steps (a) through (h). Looks
| like the one from...http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#TZU
| ...does it's own (g) through (j), though. Terhune had an objection to
| that one, though, for another reason.
|
| Where are these conversations? I cannot find them when I search the
| news groups.
|
| I did find one where you pointed out that (g) though (j) should be
| run, but no reply from Terhune.

He may be dangling over the edge of a California earthquake & held up
only by by a toe in a Poodle's mouth. However, he DID shout...

...
.......Quote...........
Thank you. Forgot to add that info to the instructions.
.......EOQ..............
....., when John John brought up the issue.

| I tested the grystmill patch without running steps (g) through (j) and
| it worked. Tested on 98SE by moving the time forward and letting it
| pass through 2 AM on March 11, 2007.

But did you run the mdgx.com patch too? That one WILL auto-update the
other Registry key from what I can determine reading the site...

http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#TZU
.......Quote.........
ALL Windows 95, 98 + ME users: at the end of installing this Unofficial
DST update you MUST confirm your Time Zone selection: when you see
Date/Time Properties you MUST click OK!
.......EOQ............

| So, when does this (g) through (j) issue apply. I have already
| applied the patch on a number of systems, I need to know if I should
| do the (g) through (j) thing on all systems, some systems, or no
| systems.

If you update the time zone with TZEdit, you must do it. Terhune may be
working on a way to have it done automatically like it seems the other
site does. Until then, you must do it after running his .reg too.

|
| The following is required to do in the USA only...
|
| http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=914387
| How to configure daylight saving time for the United States in 2007
| ......Quote.......
| INTRODUCTION
| Because of the Energy Policy Act, daylight saving time is extended by
| four weeks in 2007. This change starts on the second Sunday of March
| and
| ends on the first Sunday of November.
| ......EOQ.........
|
| The time has come to follow the instructions in that article, or,
| perhaps a bit more clear...
|
| (a) Click TZEDIT.EXE.
| It opens with your time zone selected.
| (b) Click the Edit button.
| (c) Change the Start Day to... Second, Sunday, March.
| (d) Change the Last Day to... First, Sunday, November.
| (e) Click the OK button.
| (f) Click the Close button.
| (g) Click Start, point to Settings, point to Control Panel,
| and then double-click Date/Time.
| (h) Click the Time Zone tab.
| (i) Select a different time zone than (the one you are set at),
| and then click Apply.
| (j) Click (back to the one you were set at), and then click OK.
|
| "Note Steps i and j are required for the new changes to take effect",
| the article says, as does TZEdit's own help screen.
|
| Do so before March 11, 2007. If you cannot get TZEdit.exe from your
| personal copy of the Resource Kit, get it from the above article as
| Candlin saw or
|
from...ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/services/tec.../Win98/Reskit/
CONFIG/...,
| as Laura Fredericks did discover, after likely 1/2 ton of clicking
| (although she denies it).
|
| | --
| | MEB
| |http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/
| | BLOG -http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/Public Notice or the
| | "real world"
| |http://groups.google.com/group/the-peoples-law?hl=en- discussion
| | group for general aspects of Law verses the Peoples' of the world
| |
| | "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth.
| | Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their
| | business as if nothing had happen." Winston Churchill
| | Or to put it another way:
| | Morpheus can offer you the two pills;
| | but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue
| | one. _______________
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| Should things get worse after this,
| PCR
|

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR



  #15  
Old February 16th 07, 04:50 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.apps
Laura Fredericks
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 49
Default Daylight Savings Patch

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On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:44:08 -0500, "PCR" wrote
in post:
Do so before March 11, 2007. If you cannot get TZEdit.exe from your
personal copy of the Resource Kit, get it from the above article as
Candlin saw or from...
ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/services/tec...98/Reskit/CONF
IG/..., as Laura Fredericks did discover, after likely 1/2 ton of
clicking (although she denies it).


smack

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--
Laura Fredericks
PGP key ID - DH/DSS 2048/1024: 0xC753039A

MARCH 11, 2007: D(ST) DAY FOR WIN98 USERS!
Change your registry BEFORE 3/11/07!!!!!!!
Because of the Energy Policy Act, Daylight
Saving Time is extended by four weeks in
the U.S., starting in 2007. Microsoft
WILL NOT release an update for old, non-
supported operating systems such as
Windows 98. Therefore, you must do it
manually BEFORE March 11, 2007. See the
following for details:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=914387

Usenet Flamewars:
http://www.queenofcyberspace.com/usenet/

Remove CLOTHES to reply.
  #16  
Old February 16th 07, 05:02 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.apps
PCR
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 4,396
Default Daylight Savings Patch

Laura Fredericks wrote:
| -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
| Hash: SHA1
|
| On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:44:08 -0500, "PCR" wrote
| in post:
|Do so before March 11, 2007. If you cannot get TZEdit.exe from your
|personal copy of the Resource Kit, get it from the above article as
|Candlin saw or from...
|ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/services/tec...98/Reskit/CONF
|IG/..., as Laura Fredericks did discover, after likely 1/2 ton of
|clicking (although she denies it).
|
| smack

Ouch! But you do deny it!

| -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
| Version: PGP 8.1
|
| iQA/AwUBRdUp5aRseRzHUwOaEQKj2QCgjw32lxE3cGpJ8TUcO+9bvQ 8htCgAoOyq
| 4fXye0ZudA5GQ8z37wml7n0+
| =pJ9O
| -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
| --
| Laura Fredericks
| PGP key ID - DH/DSS 2048/1024: 0xC753039A
|
| MARCH 11, 2007: D(ST) DAY FOR WIN98 USERS!
| Change your registry BEFORE 3/11/07!!!!!!!
| Because of the Energy Policy Act, Daylight
| Saving Time is extended by four weeks in
| the U.S., starting in 2007. Microsoft
| WILL NOT release an update for old, non-
| supported operating systems such as
| Windows 98. Therefore, you must do it
| manually BEFORE March 11, 2007. See the
| following for details:
| http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=914387
|
| Usenet Flamewars:
| http://www.queenofcyberspace.com/usenet/
|
| Remove CLOTHES to reply.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR



  #17  
Old February 16th 07, 05:19 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.apps
MEB
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 1,050
Default Daylight Savings Patch

Okay, to cut the rest, so it seems at present then we should be recommending
the MDGX fix OR advising the time change requirements after Gary's, i.e., to
something else then back again.

So Tom, sorry, apparently I have directed you to the file/fix which would
require the changing, whereas, the MDGX fix does not require it. Or at least
that's what we are finding here. I should have directed you there.

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  #18  
Old February 16th 07, 05:30 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.apps
Bill in Co.
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PCR wrote:
MEB wrote:
"PCR" wrote in message
...
MEB wrote:
"tom" wrote in message
ups.com...
Anyone had experience with the patch from:

http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#TZU

That is:

Q931836.exe

Thanks!

I have a number of 98 systems and I don't want to do them
manually if I can avoid it.

That happens to be an update to a TZ "fix" that was discussed in
this forum via several threads.
To combat, or rather address other potential aspects which may be
related [or not] Gary Terhune MVP created [or is
modifying/creating] a TZ file for all versions of Windows, with
the various issues related to other areas of the world [if I
remember correctly].

http://www.grystmill.com/articles/tz_update.htm

Subsequently, Terhune agreed with John John in another thread that
steps (g) though (j) [below] would also have to be done after
running his .reg, but obviously not steps (a) through (h). Looks
like the one from...
http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#TZU
...does it's own (g) through (j), though. Terhune had an objection to
that one, though, for another reason.


Debatable though, but we respect Terhune soo..
BG


Those are my sentiments too. It's Colorado who first discovered the mdgx
site, & it's up to him to get bloody with Terhune-- not us!


Well, I'm not waiting - I'm done with it already. I did it months ago,
and as far as I'm concerned, I'm through, and moving on to more pressing
things - like using this new "USB 2.0 External Hard Drive Enclosure" for a
perfect partition copy backup of the boot drive (including ALL the directory
and file dates!), and, what a joy it is, compared to the previous, tedious,
procedure, of having to manually swap in/out the backup IDE hard drive each
time!


  #19  
Old February 16th 07, 01:27 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.apps
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MEB wrote:

Okay, to cut the rest, so it seems at present then we should be recommending
the MDGX fix OR advising the time change requirements after Gary's, i.e., to
something else then back again.

So Tom, sorry, apparently I have directed you to the file/fix which would
require the changing, whereas, the MDGX fix does not require it. Or at least
that's what we are finding here. I should have directed you there.


I don't know what the MDGX fix consists of, they have not released the
code for their fix so I can't comment on it. Gary's fix is fine but for
the fix to function properly users should be instructed to refresh their
time zone setting in the Control Panel. And here is another one to
throw in the mix:
http://www.intelliadmin.com/blog/200...dst-patch.html
These guys have released the code for their fix.

John

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Old February 16th 07, 01:47 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.apps
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On Feb 15, 3:10 pm, John John wrote:
MEB wrote:
"... et al." wrote in message
...
| tom wrote:
|
| "... et al."wrote:
|
| tom wrote:
|
| "PCR" wrote:
|
| MEB wrote:
| |http://www.grystmill.com/articles/tz_update.htm
|
| Subsequently, Terhune agreed with John John in another thread that
steps
| (g) though (j) [below] would also have to be done after running his
| .reg, but obviously not steps (a) through (h). Looks like the one
| from...http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#TZU
| ...does it's own (g) through (j), though. Terhune had an objection to
| that one, though, for another reason.
|
| Where are these conversations? I cannot find them when I search the
| news groups.
|
| Gary answering 'John John', agreeing he'd forgotten to add something:
|
|
|
| The above link does not work.
|
| It's a Universal, well Global, Resource Identifier not limited to
| Google. If it works depends on setup (Newsclient & OS) and the retention
| of posts at your Newsgroup Service Provider. It is the same thing as
| what you found via the next link:
|
|
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion/...
|
| That still does not explain if you need to do those steps for 98SE.
| It's pretty ambiguous. Are the extra steps needed for some systems,
| but not all? I am not sure.
|
| I have a bunch of systems to do, so I would like to avoid extra steps
| if possible.
|
| Understandable.
|
| In my 'locale' /they/ haven't changed these self-delusion rules, with
| mucking around with /relative/ time, recently so i have only skimmed
| through the discussions about it.
|
| So you'd better wait until the earth turns so that Gary, PCR and the
| others 'over there' wakes up and and comes back to you with more
| detailed info.
|
| --
| Nah-ah. I'm staying out of this. ... Now, here's my opinion.
|
| Please followup in the newsgroup.
| E-mail address is invalid due to spam-control.


IIRC, the issue was addressed.
One issue was the need to shut down the computer to ensure the registry
changes took effect on 98 and NT [unlike other newer OSs that might refresh
hives occasionally or automatically] but then if one installs much if
anything that should be a no-brainer, no shutdown - no proper registry
changes and potential loss due to some prewritten registry loss or other
issue. I would do this shutdown and restart for either suggested fix and
EVERY installation regardless of no supposed need. Its always better to be
safe than sorry. We should all realize by now, how effective others claims
are,; one need only think of how many times have we had to override defaults
or set program settings for them to work in our individual and unique
systems.


As for the need to change timezones back and forth: that, to me, seems it
would be taken care of during the time period from now til the actual change
period. The registry will/should have been updated everywhere [swap and
otherwise] due to length of time involved; however, if INSTANT verification
is needed, or if waiting until the "last minute" or after the change has
taken effect, then it appears, the timezone changeovers would be needed, as
these would force instant change, again with necessary shutdowns and
restarts.


But then Gary would be the one to actually confirm exactly what his
modification requires, and what those who tested it reported. Just as the
one on MGDX would have to be verified by the users of that particular fix.


I open this discussion again for those verifications of either or other
fixes.


As I understand it, on Windows 98 the information is stored in these 2
registry keys:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Time Zones

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\TimeZoneInformation

The first key contains the database for _ALL_ time zones. The second
key contains the information for the time zone _CURRENTLY_ being used on
the computer. The information in this second key was _COPIED_ from the
database information stored in the first key _WHEN_ the time zone was
set. If the information now is different than when the time zone was
set, the information in the second key has to be refreshed to reflect
the changes made in the first key, if not the time will not change as
expected on the new date.


Well, I applied Gary's patch to a 98SE system, did not do any extra
steps, did not reboot. I set system clock to just before 2AM 3/11/07
and let it tick past 2AM. The time changed.

My test seems to contradict your assertions as applied to 98SE.


The information above can be confirmed (infered) by reading various
Microsoft KB articles regarding time zones and Windows 9x. For example
this is explained in one article:

[quote]

Changes made with Time Zone Editor affect the stored data for time zones
in the registry. If a time zone is already set on the computer, that
data is saved in another location in the registry. In order for the new
information to be used, you must use the Date/Time tool in Control Panel
and select or re-select the time zone.

[End quote]

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/1581....com/kb/886775

In these articles Microsoft clearly instructs Windows 98 users to change
the information in the HKLM TimeZoneInformation key.

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