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I have seen this happen but I don't know why. MSconfig should show the Run
key in the registry where the unknown item is being started from. Go to that Run key in the registry editor and compare the entries there to the entries shown for that Run key in msconfig. There should be an extra one in the registry. -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "Tom Barkas" wrote in message ... Ron, Can you help with this (probably unrelated) item? In the startup programs, I have a ticked box with no description of any sort. If I delete it, it comes back. Any ideas? Tm On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:08:16 -0500, "Ron Badour" wrotg: If you have two duplicate items, one marked and one unmarked, mark both of them and reboot. One should disappear unless it is a required "duplicate" like loadpower and AV settings. If there are unmarked entries you want rid of: There are seven run keys in the registry that are used to start programs: 1. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Run 2. HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curre ntVersion\Run 3. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\RunOnce 4. HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curre ntVersion\RunOnce 5. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\ RunServices 6. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\ RunServicesOnce 7. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\ RunOnce\Setup If there is an item disabled in the Startup tab, MSconfig.exe, that was in one of these keys, it will be in an identically named key except that there will be a minus at the end, i.e., Run- I suppose any key could be duplicated; however, I have only found keys #1, #2 and #5 duplicated in my registry with a minus. If you want to get rid of a non-marked entry in MSconfig, delete the key with the minus sign behind it. When you disable an entry that is in the startup folder on the start menu, a folder is created on the start menu called Disabled Startup Items. As appropriate, delete the item from either the registry key or the Disabled folder. If the item is the only thing in the registry key or Disabled folder, you can delete the key or the folder also. Items can start from the run= and load= lines in the win.ini file. If disabled, they are placed in a norun= or noload= line. Go into the win.ini file and change the appropriate line back to the way it was, i.e., change norun=application name to run= and save the file. |
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On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:35:22 -0400, Andrew H. Carter
wrote: On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:13:29 GMT, (Steve Hayes) scribbled some thoughts: On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 00:28:45 -0400, Andrew H. Carter wrote: On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 03:52:09 GMT, (Steve Hayes) scribbled some thoughts: On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 16:22:15 -0400, Andrew H. Carter wrote: Your machine won't dial out if: 1) You unplug phone line when not online 2) You uncheck the dial automatically in Internet Options Yes, you can do that, and I have. What is doesn't stop is that pesky "Dial up networking" window poppoing up, and sending everything you are typing to the bit bucket, except that igf you happen to hit a "c", as I did when I typed "except" just now, it will immediately start to dial. The trouble is that the "Dial-up networking" thing behaves like a popup ad. If there is any way of stopping it from doing that, I would love to know howe to do it. Other programs don't keep popping up asking if you want to start them. I wwould check everysingle installed program to check if you can disable the "Call home to the mothership" feature, I would also check to see what proggies startup at boot. ZA did that quite alot, which is why I trashed it. I am the master of my comp, with regards to when I connect. You might do that, but I'm not going to waste any more time on it. There are better things to spend time on than looking for something that isn't there. I know what program is trying to conned: Duialup networking, part of MS Windows. There is no need to look any further. The question is not which program is trying to connmect, but to stop it. But if you find which program is trying to connect and disable it's callback feature, you will have stopped it, if such is the one. I HAVE found the program that is trying to connect. It is "Dial up nmetworking" which is part of MS Windows. -- Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk |
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On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 00:00:06 GMT,
(Steve Hayes) scribbled some thoughts: On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:35:22 -0400, Andrew H. Carter wrote: On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:13:29 GMT, (Steve Hayes) scribbled some thoughts: On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 00:28:45 -0400, Andrew H. Carter wrote: On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 03:52:09 GMT, (Steve Hayes) scribbled some thoughts: On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 16:22:15 -0400, Andrew H. Carter wrote: Your machine won't dial out if: 1) You unplug phone line when not online 2) You uncheck the dial automatically in Internet Options Yes, you can do that, and I have. What is doesn't stop is that pesky "Dial up networking" window poppoing up, and sending everything you are typing to the bit bucket, except that igf you happen to hit a "c", as I did when I typed "except" just now, it will immediately start to dial. The trouble is that the "Dial-up networking" thing behaves like a popup ad. If there is any way of stopping it from doing that, I would love to know howe to do it. Other programs don't keep popping up asking if you want to start them. I wwould check everysingle installed program to check if you can disable the "Call home to the mothership" feature, I would also check to see what proggies startup at boot. ZA did that quite alot, which is why I trashed it. I am the master of my comp, with regards to when I connect. You might do that, but I'm not going to waste any more time on it. There are better things to spend time on than looking for something that isn't there. I know what program is trying to conned: Duialup networking, part of MS Windows. There is no need to look any further. The question is not which program is trying to connmect, but to stop it. But if you find which program is trying to connect and disable it's callback feature, you will have stopped it, if such is the one. I HAVE found the program that is trying to connect. It is "Dial up nmetworking" which is part of MS Windows. But WHAT is calling it to start? Therein lies the crux of the matter, solve that and you should solve the problem. I found that when I had ZoneAlarm, even with it being "call back disabled", it would stil pop up the DUN. Also NeoPlanet browser would call the DUN to startas well as time synching proggies would call DUN to start. Eliminate what calls DUN (when you don't want to be connected) and your problems should go away. It could be a virus, trojan or worm wanting to call back. BTW, I've found that SPF (Sygate Personal Firewall www.sygate.com) gives more data on connections than ZA, which is also why I trashed ZA. -- Sincerely, | (©) (©) | ------ooo--(_)--ooo------ Andrew H. Carter | /// \\\ d(-_-)b | |
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On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 00:28:45 -0400, Andrew H. Carter
wrote: On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 03:52:09 GMT, (Steve Hayes) scribbled some thoughts: On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 16:22:15 -0400, Andrew H. Carter wrote: Your machine won't dial out if: 1) You unplug phone line when not online 2) You uncheck the dial automatically in Internet Options Yes, you can do that, and I have. What is doesn't stop is that pesky "Dial up networking" window poppoing up, and sending everything you are typing to the bit bucket, except that igf you happen to hit a "c", as I did when I typed "except" just now, it will immediately start to dial. The trouble is that the "Dial-up networking" thing behaves like a popup ad. If there is any way of stopping it from doing that, I would love to know howe to do it. Other programs don't keep popping up asking if you want to start them. I wwould check everysingle installed program to check if you can disable the "Call home to the mothership" feature, I would also check to see what proggies startup at boot. ZA did that quite alot, which is why I trashed it. I am the master of my comp, with regards to when I connect. You might do that, but I'm not going to waste any more time on it. There are better things to spend time on than looking for something that isn't there. I know what program is trying to conned: Duialup networking, part of MS Windows. There is no need to look any further. The question is not which program is trying to connmect, but to stop it. -- Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk |
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On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:35:22 -0400, Andrew H. Carter
wrote: On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:13:29 GMT, (Steve Hayes) scribbled some thoughts: On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 00:28:45 -0400, Andrew H. Carter wrote: On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 03:52:09 GMT, (Steve Hayes) scribbled some thoughts: On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 16:22:15 -0400, Andrew H. Carter wrote: Your machine won't dial out if: 1) You unplug phone line when not online 2) You uncheck the dial automatically in Internet Options Yes, you can do that, and I have. What is doesn't stop is that pesky "Dial up networking" window poppoing up, and sending everything you are typing to the bit bucket, except that igf you happen to hit a "c", as I did when I typed "except" just now, it will immediately start to dial. The trouble is that the "Dial-up networking" thing behaves like a popup ad. If there is any way of stopping it from doing that, I would love to know howe to do it. Other programs don't keep popping up asking if you want to start them. I wwould check everysingle installed program to check if you can disable the "Call home to the mothership" feature, I would also check to see what proggies startup at boot. ZA did that quite alot, which is why I trashed it. I am the master of my comp, with regards to when I connect. You might do that, but I'm not going to waste any more time on it. There are better things to spend time on than looking for something that isn't there. I know what program is trying to conned: Duialup networking, part of MS Windows. There is no need to look any further. The question is not which program is trying to connmect, but to stop it. But if you find which program is trying to connect and disable it's callback feature, you will have stopped it, if such is the one. I HAVE found the program that is trying to connect. It is "Dial up nmetworking" which is part of MS Windows. -- Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk |
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On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:12:08 -0400, Andrew H. Carter
wrote: On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 00:00:06 GMT, (Steve Hayes) scribbled some thoughts: On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:35:22 -0400, Andrew H. Carter wrote: On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:13:29 GMT, (Steve Hayes) scribbled some thoughts: On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 00:28:45 -0400, Andrew H. Carter wrote: On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 03:52:09 GMT, (Steve Hayes) scribbled some thoughts: On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 16:22:15 -0400, Andrew H. Carter wrote: Your machine won't dial out if: 1) You unplug phone line when not online 2) You uncheck the dial automatically in Internet Options Yes, you can do that, and I have. What is doesn't stop is that pesky "Dial up networking" window poppoing up, and sending everything you are typing to the bit bucket, except that igf you happen to hit a "c", as I did when I typed "except" just now, it will immediately start to dial. The trouble is that the "Dial-up networking" thing behaves like a popup ad. If there is any way of stopping it from doing that, I would love to know howe to do it. Other programs don't keep popping up asking if you want to start them. I wwould check everysingle installed program to check if you can disable the "Call home to the mothership" feature, I would also check to see what proggies startup at boot. ZA did that quite alot, which is why I trashed it. I am the master of my comp, with regards to when I connect. You might do that, but I'm not going to waste any more time on it. There are better things to spend time on than looking for something that isn't there. I know what program is trying to conned: Duialup networking, part of MS Windows. There is no need to look any further. The question is not which program is trying to connmect, but to stop it. But if you find which program is trying to connect and disable it's callback feature, you will have stopped it, if such is the one. I HAVE found the program that is trying to connect. It is "Dial up nmetworking" which is part of MS Windows. But WHAT is calling it to start? Therein lies the crux of the matter, solve that and you should solve the problem. Nothing is calling it to start. It is just activating itself. I found that when I had ZoneAlarm, even with it being "call back disabled", it would stil pop up the DUN. Also NeoPlanet browser would call the DUN to startas well as time synching proggies would call DUN to start. Eliminate what calls DUN (when you don't want to be connected) and your problems should go away. It could be a virus, trojan or worm wanting to call back. If it were any of those things, surely it would be trying to connect to SOMETHING. It would be trying to send something somewhere, or receive something from somewhere. A program looking for updates, for example, would normally go to a web site where the update could be downlaoded, and therefore call the web browser. -- Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk |
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Dial up networking (DUN) is the method used by your PC's modem to connect to
your ISP's modem via your telephone line. It is NOT the problem. Some program or function is activating DUN--your task is to find out what program is doing it and end it. Since this started right after the HP software update, that is the logical place to look. Modem Attempts to Dial When Windows Starts http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=175312 -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "Steve Hayes" wrote in message ... On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 00:28:45 -0400, Andrew H. Carter wrote: On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 03:52:09 GMT, (Steve Hayes) scribbled some thoughts: On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 16:22:15 -0400, Andrew H. Carter wrote: Your machine won't dial out if: 1) You unplug phone line when not online 2) You uncheck the dial automatically in Internet Options Yes, you can do that, and I have. What is doesn't stop is that pesky "Dial up networking" window poppoing up, and sending everything you are typing to the bit bucket, except that igf you happen to hit a "c", as I did when I typed "except" just now, it will immediately start to dial. The trouble is that the "Dial-up networking" thing behaves like a popup ad. If there is any way of stopping it from doing that, I would love to know howe to do it. Other programs don't keep popping up asking if you want to start them. I wwould check everysingle installed program to check if you can disable the "Call home to the mothership" feature, I would also check to see what proggies startup at boot. ZA did that quite alot, which is why I trashed it. I am the master of my comp, with regards to when I connect. You might do that, but I'm not going to waste any more time on it. There are better things to spend time on than looking for something that isn't there. I know what program is trying to conned: Duialup networking, part of MS Windows. There is no need to look any further. The question is not which program is trying to connmect, but to stop it. -- Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk |
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Nothing at all. That said, it has currently disappeared. It may be
coincidence, but it is since I uninstalled my HP printer On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:42:31 -0400, Andrew H. Carter wrotg: On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:24:20 +0100, Tom Barkas scribbled some thoughts: Ron, Can you help with this (probably unrelated) item? In the startup programs, I have a ticked box with no description of any sort. If I delete it, it comes back. Any ideas? Tm Is there at least a file name? What you are experiencing can probably be corrected if you look for the entry in your Registry. |
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hi, Ron,
It's me on the HP printer/dialling problem thread. There was nothing at all in msconfig or in Spybot Tools/Startup (which usually also gives more details on the file and what it does) - all there was was a box with or without a cross as appropriate. That said, it has now disappeared - may be coincidence but this is after I have uninstalled the printer. On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:02:22 -0500, "Ron Badour" wrotg: I have seen this happen but I don't know why. MSconfig should show the Run key in the registry where the unknown item is being started from. Go to that Run key in the registry editor and compare the entries there to the entries shown for that Run key in msconfig. There should be an extra one in the registry. |
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