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Let's try again. It seems as if the following post made at 07:54 BST this
morning was also removed from the server as was my subsequent attempt to post it a few minutes ago. Let's see if I have more success with your spoof e-mail address removed. If so you will know that it is the address rather than the nic Alias that is being censored. Quote Indeed it appears that I owe you my apologies. I posted a message to this thread at 23:56 BST last night and spoofed the from address to be Alias and [Your spoof e-mail address edited out]. This message did appear here but this morning (7:30 BST) it is no longer available. I responded to my spoofed message three minutes later (23:59 BST) and that message is also now missing. My spoofed post (but not my reply to it) can be seen in the Google archive http://groups.google.com/group/micro...3063 ce78ae2c I am unclear as to why this is happening to you or rather to messages posted using the nic "Alias". I'm pretty certain that this isn't an intended ongoing censorship of your posts. As I mentioned, historically Microsoft have not attempted to censor all posts from an individual, only where they include profanity or abuse or include commercially sensitive information, not where they simply criticise, using reasonable language, a Microsoft product. -- Mike Maltby A wrote: Mike M wrote: Just don't let your paranoia bite you in the butt. I very much doubt that you are being censored in any way unless you are using profanities or being abusive to other posters. Microsoft rarely if ever censor those criticising their products in the newsgroups provided they keep the language clean and don't post cracks or commercially sensitive information. Do an experiment. Access windowsxp.general with MS's servers. Search for "Alias" in the From field. Do the same thing with another server. I guarantee you that they've been pulled from MS' server and will still be on the other server, Google, or individual.net for example. I have confirmed that and so have other posters on windowsxp.general. Not only will you see that these posts were censored by doing this, you will see what content was censored. A |
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This thread hasn't been deleted - yet :-))
-- Will Denny MS-MVP Windows Shell/User Please reply to the News Groups "Mike M" wrote in message ... Michael wrote: They filtered out the word "alias" "@lias" and "@li@s" and/or the email address. I don't know which. As I was not told why this was done, I don't really know what it was due to. I feel I'm seeing more than a touch of paranoia here. In all the years I've been posting to msnews I have never known of a poster being censored in the way that you claim and certainly never simply based on their posting alias. I am however aware of many cases where synch problems across the nntp server farm have led a user to become paranoid. -- Mike Maltby |
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Hi Will,
So, correct me if I'm wrong. Internationals and the Ashes are on Sky, with highlight shows on Channel 5, and the rest is on Radio 5. My uncle wants to know. I thought of you, when he asked! Personally my only interest in cricket is whether 'we' beat 'David'. Shane Will Denny wrote: This thread hasn't been deleted - yet :-)) "Mike M" wrote in message ... Michael wrote: They filtered out the word "alias" "@lias" and "@li@s" and/or the email address. I don't know which. As I was not told why this was done, I don't really know what it was due to. I feel I'm seeing more than a touch of paranoia here. In all the years I've been posting to msnews I have never known of a poster being censored in the way that you claim and certainly never simply based on their posting alias. I am however aware of many cases where synch problems across the nntp server farm have led a user to become paranoid. -- Mike Maltby |
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Hi Shane
Yes we got David 'bye' the short and curlies last time :-)) Yup all the cricket is on Sky - with highlights on C5. -- Will Denny MS-MVP Windows Shell/User Please reply to the News Groups "Shane" wrote in message ... Hi Will, So, correct me if I'm wrong. Internationals and the Ashes are on Sky, with highlight shows on Channel 5, and the rest is on Radio 5. My uncle wants to know. I thought of you, when he asked! Personally my only interest in cricket is whether 'we' beat 'David'. Shane |
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"Mike M" wrote in message ... Will Denny wrote: This thread hasn't been deleted - yet :-)) No, But any post containing the text "aka @ [notme] masked and anonymous.org" or that was posted from "aka @ [notme] masked and anonymous.org" has been deleted. (Added spaces intentional). In a word, disgraceful. -- Mike Maltby I agree - it's very bad. Will |
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They not only got your posts, they got all replies to your posts as well.
Our entire conversations regarding WGA are gone from the MS servers when I reset the newsgroup. -- Larry Samuels Associate Expert MS-MVP (2001-2005) Unofficial FAQ for Windows Server 2003 at http://pelos.us/SERVER.htm Expert Zone- www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone "A" wrote in message ... Mike M wrote: Michael wrote: They filtered out the word "alias" "@lias" and "@li@s" and/or the email address. I don't know which. As I was not told why this was done, I don't really know what it was due to. I feel I'm seeing more than a touch of paranoia here. In all the years I've been posting to msnews I have never known of a poster being censored in the way that you claim and certainly never simply based on their posting alias. I am however aware of many cases where synch problems across the nntp server farm have led a user to become paranoid. I am sure. In a thread I will see others posting before and after me, using MS servers, mind you and mine say: Error! newsgroup server responded:no such article number in group Perhaps the article has expired (1525702) Click here to remove all expired articles How come older posts are not "expired" in the same thread? How come I can still see the same post in another news server? How come other posters who post with news.individual.net can see my posts on that server but see the above notice when they access through MS' servers? Perhaps it's because MS is finally realizing that WPA and WGA doesn't stop pirates and only infuriates end users and doesn't like to be reminded by the likes of me? A |
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Will Denny wrote:
"Mike M" wrote in message ... Will Denny wrote: This thread hasn't been deleted - yet :-)) No, But any post containing the text "aka @ [notme] masked and anonymous.org" or that was posted from "aka @ [notme] masked and anonymous.org" has been deleted. (Added spaces intentional). In a word, disgraceful. -- Mike Maltby I agree - it's very bad. Will I guess they are afraid that WGA will be the bane to Windows. Nothing like knowing you have a legit copy of windows and going to WU, downloading the new WGA, rebooting and having messages pop up saying your Windows is counterfeit. End users must just love that. Instead of removing this flawed program, when people point it out, they try and sweep it under the rug. I hear there is going to be a new, "improved" WGA next Tuesday. I won't download it but how many millions will? Sigh. A |
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Mike M wrote:
Let's try again. It seems as if the following post made at 07:54 BST this morning was also removed from the server as was my subsequent attempt to post it a few minutes ago. Let's see if I have more success with your spoof e-mail address removed. If so you will know that it is the address rather than the nic Alias that is being censored. Quote Indeed it appears that I owe you my apologies. I posted a message to this thread at 23:56 BST last night and spoofed the from address to be Alias and [Your spoof e-mail address edited out]. This message did appear here but this morning (7:30 BST) it is no longer available. I responded to my spoofed message three minutes later (23:59 BST) and that message is also now missing. My spoofed post (but not my reply to it) can be seen in the Google archive http://groups.google.com/group/micro...3063 ce78ae2c I am unclear as to why this is happening to you or rather to messages posted using the nic "Alias". I'm pretty certain that this isn't an intended ongoing censorship of your posts. As I mentioned, historically Microsoft have not attempted to censor all posts from an individual, only where they include profanity or abuse or include commercially sensitive information, not where they simply criticise, using reasonable language, a Microsoft product. This post was censored: Andrew Martin wrote: We install WGA on dozens of computers every week but I have a customer here who's pc will not install WGA without freezing the entire pc. Everything has been perfectly working on this pc until automatic updates tried to install the latest WGA but now it will not install no matter how (automatic updates / activex control, etc). The whole system hangs, we can't even hit cntl-alt-del or click anything with the mouse. The Windows is definately legit, purchased from an MS authorized vendor by us, not that this would make a difference anyway. Even if it was not legit, it should just pop up the notification box and not cause the whole system to hang. We just can't get it to do anything. I've tried turning off all startup programs and system services, even tried in safe mode with networking. Nothing works. I tried the WGA diagnostic tool...it locks up too. If anyone has an idea on this one let me know...I'm frustrated beyond words. Thanks, Andrew What's even more pathetic is that WGA ONLY benefits MS and does not benefit the end user in any way. Have you tried System Restore? No profanity, no abuse, just my opinion, one I consider to be true. A |
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I hear there is going to be a new, "improved"
WGA next Tuesday. I won't download it but how many millions will? Do you mean to replace that released last Tuesday which in itself was an update for one the week before. OK, I exaggerate maybe slightly 25 April and before that 15 March. Nevertheless I still don't understand what is going on here. There has been extensive discussion of both WPA and WGA over the years since WPA first reared its ugly head with the release of XP back in 2001. Such discussions have often been very uncomplimentary to Microsoft but AFAIK Microsoft have rarely if ever previously chosen to censor such discussions other than perhaps where clear details of how to crack either WPA or WGA have been posted. Changes have however occurred in recent months as to how the newsgroups are managed and perhaps what we are now seeing is a result of those changes, if so IMO I feel this is not in Microsoft's best interests. -- Mike Maltby A wrote: I guess they are afraid that WGA will be the bane to Windows. Nothing like knowing you have a legit copy of windows and going to WU, downloading the new WGA, rebooting and having messages pop up saying your Windows is counterfeit. End users must just love that. Instead of removing this flawed program, when people point it out, they try and sweep it under the rug. I hear there is going to be a new, "improved" WGA next Tuesday. I won't download it but how many millions will? Sigh. |
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