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Old January 15th 05, 11:12 PM
looneytunes>verizone.net
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Mike M wrote:

Much that you are reading in the XP NGs about slipstreaming would appear
to be hocus pocus as it perhaps are some of the comments that you are
seeing about SP2. However you are quite correct in that an original RTM
(Release To Manufacturing) CD, (which might be thought of as SP0),
cannot be used to launch the repair console once an SP has been
installed although it can still be used for a repair install, although
it will return you to RTM, so ...

If all else fails, I can of course follow your advice, install first
then slipstream but in effect is that much different from just
running SP2?



It would appear that you didn't follow what I was trying to say which
was that you could:
a) Install XP using RTM or SP1 media,
b) Not bother to activate for reasons that will become obvious at d),
c) Create a slipstreamed XP SP2 CD,
d) Wipe your system and finally,
e) Clean install XP SP2 using the media you created at c).

Which other than for wishing you luck just leaves one question. How old
is the XP media you intend using? I ask as it is quite possible that if
recent that it will already be a slipstreamed SP2 copy. Personally I
find the main justification for installing XP using slipstreamed media
rather than to use RTM and then install the latest SP is the
considerable saving in space.

For example installing using slipstreamed SP2 media rather than
installing using RTM or SP1 media followed by installing SP2, avoids the
creation of the windows\servicepackfiles folder which for SP2 contains
some 474MB of files. For those like myself who like to keep their
system partitions "clean and lean" this is a considerable saving in
space and results in a smaller backup image size which is also quicker
to create. The saving over the space occupied for systems which were
originally RTM and were then upgraded to SP1 and then upgraded to SP2 is
approaching 1GB.

Regards,


Mike:

I purchased XP Home at Comp USA about June or July last year. I believe
that was before SP2 was released. Also, the media carton and packaging
says 2002 Edition. It seems I might have an original CD that may not
even contain SP1 since I don't know the SP1 release date. Your thoughts
on how to do this make sense, even though I did not want to wipe and
reinstall a lot of applications. If I follow, it would seem best to
install my new hardware, upgrade to XP Home, not activate, create the
slipstream disk and then follow up with the clean install. That ought to
keep me busy for quite awhile.

Thanks again for all the help. When I finally get to doing it all, I
will post back and let you know the results.

sced13ri :-)

  #12  
Old January 15th 05, 11:55 PM
Mike M
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OK, 2002 Edition would mean that you have XP with SP1 slipstreamed into
it. SP2 was released in August 2004 and probably not available as
slipstream media until October or maybe even November. That your media
already includes SP1 does not, of course, mean that you cannot now build
in to it SP2.

I've now had the opportunity to run
XPSP2.exe /integrate:drive/path
on a system running Win Me and you are right to be concerned as the
command fails. Running XPSP2.exe (or WindowsXP-KB835935-SP2-ENU.exe)
fails when run on Win Me due to it requiring a different version of
ntdll.dll than that included with Win Me.

Do you perhaps have access to a friend's or even work PC running wither
W2K or XP that you could use to create the slipstreamed file set?

Best of luck with whichever route you choose to follow.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



"looneytunesverizone.net" "looneytunesverizone.net" wrote

I purchased XP Home at Comp USA about June or July last year. I
believe that was before SP2 was released. Also, the media carton and
packaging says 2002 Edition. It seems I might have an original CD
that may not even contain SP1 since I don't know the SP1 release
date. Your thoughts on how to do this make sense, even though I did
not want to wipe and reinstall a lot of applications. If I follow, it
would seem best to install my new hardware, upgrade to XP Home, not
activate, create the slipstream disk and then follow up with the
clean install. That ought to keep me busy for quite awhile.

Thanks again for all the help. When I finally get to doing it all, I
will post back and let you know the results.


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Old January 16th 05, 02:28 AM
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Mike M wrote:

OK, 2002 Edition would mean that you have XP with SP1 slipstreamed into
it. SP2 was released in August 2004 and probably not available as
slipstream media until October or maybe even November. That your media
already includes SP1 does not, of course, mean that you cannot now build
in to it SP2.

I've now had the opportunity to run
XPSP2.exe /integrate:drive/path
on a system running Win Me and you are right to be concerned as the
command fails. Running XPSP2.exe (or WindowsXP-KB835935-SP2-ENU.exe)
fails when run on Win Me due to it requiring a different version of
ntdll.dll than that included with Win Me.

Do you perhaps have access to a friend's or even work PC running wither
W2K or XP that you could use to create the slipstreamed file set?

Best of luck with whichever route you choose to follow.


Mike:

Thanks for doing the research, I was considering trying the ME route
just to learn a bit more. You saved me the trouble. As for work (a
common four letter word :-) ) I retired well back in the last century.
But, I do have family using XP and perhaps they will let me borrow their
system just long enough to make the slipstream. Can't hurt to ask. Your
expertise has been a great help.

sced13ri (Now I am showing my age. Like an old saying "the hurrier I go,
the behinder I get".
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Old January 16th 05, 02:46 AM
Mike M
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"looneytunesverizone.net verizone.net " "looneytunes wrote ...

Thanks for doing the research, I was considering trying the ME route
just to learn a bit more. You saved me the trouble. As for work (a
common four letter word :-) ) I retired well back in the last century.
But, I do have family using XP and perhaps they will let me borrow their
system just long enough to make the slipstream. Can't hurt to ask. Your
expertise has been a great help.

sced13ri (Now I am showing my age. Like an old saying "the hurrier I go,
the behinder I get".


Work? What's that? Like yourself I also retired sometime last century,
in my case due to ill-health. I'm not sure it has meant I work any less
but I know that at least I'm far less stressed than I was when working
even if I didn't realise it at the time and that's probably one of the
reasons why I'm still around and able to bash away at this ole keyboard.
:-)

Cheers - let me know, by e-mail perhaps, how you get on with your move to
XP.

Cheers from London, UK
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



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Old January 17th 05, 02:46 AM
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Mike, 2002 Edition is XP RTM. I believe there were one or two minor
differences - eg, to do with activation period? - that warranted the 2002
designation. Possibly a later IE6.0SP1 subversion too? Anyway, I got mine
about 2 months prior to SP1.


Shane


"Mike M" wrote in message
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OK, 2002 Edition would mean that you have XP with SP1 slipstreamed into
it. SP2 was released in August 2004 and probably not available as
slipstream media until October or maybe even November. That your media
already includes SP1 does not, of course, mean that you cannot now build
in to it SP2.

I've now had the opportunity to run
XPSP2.exe /integrate:drive/path
on a system running Win Me and you are right to be concerned as the
command fails. Running XPSP2.exe (or WindowsXP-KB835935-SP2-ENU.exe)
fails when run on Win Me due to it requiring a different version of
ntdll.dll than that included with Win Me.

Do you perhaps have access to a friend's or even work PC running wither
W2K or XP that you could use to create the slipstreamed file set?

Best of luck with whichever route you choose to follow.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



"looneytunesverizone.net" "looneytunesverizone.net" wrote

I purchased XP Home at Comp USA about June or July last year. I
believe that was before SP2 was released. Also, the media carton and
packaging says 2002 Edition. It seems I might have an original CD
that may not even contain SP1 since I don't know the SP1 release
date. Your thoughts on how to do this make sense, even though I did
not want to wipe and reinstall a lot of applications. If I follow, it
would seem best to install my new hardware, upgrade to XP Home, not
activate, create the slipstream disk and then follow up with the
clean install. That ought to keep me busy for quite awhile.

Thanks again for all the help. When I finally get to doing it all, I
will post back and let you know the results.




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Old January 17th 05, 10:29 AM
Mike M
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Thanks for that clarification Shane,
Since SP1 was released in 2002 I mistakenly thought that the designation
2002 Edition would have meant that it included SP1. I also seem to recall
that IE6 SP1 was released at the same time as XP SP1 in Aug/Sep 2002.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



Shane wrote:

Mike, 2002 Edition is XP RTM. I believe there were one or two minor
differences - eg, to do with activation period? - that warranted the
2002 designation. Possibly a later IE6.0SP1 subversion too? Anyway, I
got mine about 2 months prior to SP1.


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Old January 17th 05, 11:35 AM
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Well look what the cat dragged in vbg where have you been hiding g
Joan

Shane wrote:
Mike, 2002 Edition is XP RTM. I believe there were one or two minor
differences - eg, to do with activation period? - that warranted the 2002
designation. Possibly a later IE6.0SP1 subversion too? Anyway, I got mine
about 2 months prior to SP1.


Shane

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Old January 17th 05, 11:37 AM
Joan Archer
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Mike my XP says it is version 2002 but of course I had to install SP1
later followed by SP2
Joan

Mike M wrote:
Thanks for that clarification Shane,
Since SP1 was released in 2002 I mistakenly thought that the designation
2002 Edition would have meant that it included SP1. I also seem to
recall that IE6 SP1 was released at the same time as XP SP1 in Aug/Sep
2002.

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Old January 18th 05, 04:48 AM
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Hi Joan!

Thanks for the card! Must remember to post yours sometime! vbg.

I'll tell you: apart from the fact I only boot ME these days to update defs,
apply patches etc, I've been spending time on the rail network! When I
ventured back onto it for the first time in many years late last year I
became aware that most of what was fab about the Underground had been
scrapped in the meantime! So I've been going round trying to see what's
left, while I still can. This also touches on the interest I've had for many
years in the abandoned stations - you know, WWII posters still up, that sort
of thing. And, of course, they don't do tours anymore. Not sure what to do
about that, yet.

In the course of researching these matters I've become aware of Steam Tours
running out of the London termini. What a sight, express steam locomotives
pulling eight or ten coach trains into Kings Cross/Paddington/Victoria!

The Orient Express at Victoria Jan 8th:
http://website.lineone.net/~shanebea.../34067_Vic.jpg
http://website.lineone.net/~shanebea...34067_VSOE.jpg
http://website.lineone.net/~shanebea.../34067_SET.jpg

Shane



"Joan Archer" wrote in message
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Well look what the cat dragged in vbg where have you been hiding g
Joan

Shane wrote:
Mike, 2002 Edition is XP RTM. I believe there were one or two minor
differences - eg, to do with activation period? - that warranted the 2002
designation. Possibly a later IE6.0SP1 subversion too? Anyway, I got mine
about 2 months prior to SP1.


Shane




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Old January 18th 05, 04:56 AM
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Right, Mike. I think I was probably rambling re the IE6 update bit - because
the activation issue alone didn't seem enough to warrant a new designation.
*Grasping at straws*, I believe, would be the term! But all I really
remember is that MS increased the time allowed to activate between the 2001
and *2002* versions.

btw, having done the clearing out of excess floppies last year, I'm now
reducing the CD stock. I'll definately keep the original XP cd - of course -
along with an SP1 slipstream cd and an SP2 slipstream cd. I'll also retain a
standalone SP2 executable-only cd, but it's a wrench not to keep at least
two of absolutely everything!

Got a new burner a week or so ago, so can finally use Mount Ranier. Also got
a very reasonable flat panel monitor for £170 at Comet. Now all I need is a
new computer!

Got an Espresso machine for Christmas. Does that count as a peripheral?

Shane


"Mike M" wrote in message
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Thanks for that clarification Shane,
Since SP1 was released in 2002 I mistakenly thought that the designation
2002 Edition would have meant that it included SP1. I also seem to recall
that IE6 SP1 was released at the same time as XP SP1 in Aug/Sep 2002.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



Shane wrote:

Mike, 2002 Edition is XP RTM. I believe there were one or two minor
differences - eg, to do with activation period? - that warranted the
2002 designation. Possibly a later IE6.0SP1 subversion too? Anyway, I
got mine about 2 months prior to SP1.





 




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