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  #21  
Old September 11th 19, 11:58 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_3_]
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Default A screen question.

In message , Char Jackson
writes:
On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 21:01:13 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

When I see people with a decent sized widescreen monitor, and they use
it with windows maximised, I just want to cringe.


I think I know what you mean. When I encounter people who think everyone
else should do things the way they do, I similarly want to cringe.


Point taken - but, the happy medium is somewhere in between (never
saying _anything_ when we see someone doing something in a way we think
could be changed to benefit _them_, and always saying "do it my way").
Some softwares (word processing often) default to maximised, which may
be appropriate for some users but not all, especially where a large (and
non-portrait) monitor is in use, but some users may never have thought
of changing it (or in some cases may not be aware they can), so
_suggestion_ is never out of place, if made diplomatically.

I guess they just
never think there may be a better way to do things, so they get the job
done faster.


Either that, or they're doing things exactly how they want to do them.

Nothing lost by asking, though, as long as you accept that answer if
they give it.
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  #22  
Old September 11th 19, 02:22 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Ken Springer[_2_]
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Default A screen question.

On 9/11/19 4:58 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Char Jackson
writes:
On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 21:01:13 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

When I see people with a decent sized widescreen monitor, and they use
it with windows maximised, I just want to cringe.


I think I know what you mean. When I encounter people who think everyone
else should do things the way they do, I similarly want to cringe.


Point taken - but, the happy medium is somewhere in between (never
saying _anything_ when we see someone doing something in a way we think
could be changed to benefit _them_, and always saying "do it my way").
Some softwares (word processing often) default to maximised, which may
be appropriate for some users but not all, especially where a large (and
non-portrait) monitor is in use, but some users may never have thought
of changing it (or in some cases may not be aware they can), so
_suggestion_ is never out of place, if made diplomatically.


I've found software generally only opens maximized when run for the
first time. After that, window size and position is remembered.

I guess they just
never think there may be a better way to do things, so they get the job
done faster.


Either that, or they're doing things exactly how they want to do them.

Nothing lost by asking, though, as long as you accept that answer if
they give it.



--
Ken
MacOS 10.14.5
Firefox 67.0.4
Thunderbird 60.7
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"
  #23  
Old September 11th 19, 03:30 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Ken Springer[_2_]
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Default A screen question.

On 9/11/19 4:51 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Ken Springer
writes:
On 9/10/19 2:49 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Ken Springer
writes:

[]
When I look at a vertical straight line, this is what I see:

|
\
|
|
/
|

More or less. LOL
Oh dear! I don't think _any_ monitor (or playing with resolutions)
will
fix that )-:. I can't see how glasses will, either, unless your eyeballs
don't move, to preserve alignment.


Yep. Nothing except a new eyeball will fix that.


_Could_ a _contact_ lens - or surgically attached one? In other words,
is the distortion in your lens, retina, or image processing brainware?


A contact lens would have to be oriented correctly when you put them in.
Possibly new lenses, as you get with cataract surgery, but then what
do you do if you eyeball changes? Thee surgery is quick, but it isn't
cheap.

I experimented with the options of increasing the text size by 125% or
150%. Bit this does not change the size of the text in menus in the
windows. And, if the situation is right, dialog boxes may have the
buttons you need to click on off the screen to the bottom, and you
can't get to them!
The text size manipulations aren't great - and many softwares don't
honour them properly, so if you _do_ increase text size, they don't
enlarge the box it goes in, so you end up with either overlapping
letters, or text spilling out of the box )-:.


They're so crappy, why do they bother to keep them?


Good question. (By the way, when I was looking yesterday, this system
only offered 100% and 125%. No 150%.) Probably lethargy.


I noticed no 150% just recently, somewhere. I wonder if that was a
laptop with a smaller screen.

[]
The really sad thing is, for everything in a window, it could be
adjusted and changed in XP and earlier. But then they got rid of it.


If pressed, they'd probably say they removed those settings because some
people change them then don't remember how (or _that_) they did, and
think something's wrong. Rather like you could change various aspects of
the display (colours, widths, fonts ...) in Windows 95 - and still could
in '98, but had to press an "Advanced" button to get at them (-:.


That's a possibility I hadn't thought of. End result is penalizing the
majority for just a few ignorant ones.

snip

This Pro-Art rotates 900
Or 8:5 (-:


Does it really display as 900 on your system? I ask, because I used
the degree sign when I typed the message.


Yes. At least, I didn't amend the quoted text; I think it had been
amended by the time I got it, rather than my system, which can display
the ° sign OK. (That's the degree sign, in case it has been amended by
the time _you_ see it.)


It must have been amended, as your degree sign came through.

snip

(I use "[]" to mean the same thing.)
[]


I noticed. LOL

snip

You can blame the movie people for the widescreen today, IMO.


Yes and no. As I said, widescreen isn't that great even for most movie
scenes, but (on the whole) we're stuck with it for movies - but its
introduction in the PC world was due to the belief that movie-viewing
was going to be a large part of what PCs were going to be used for,
which I dispute (even now, and certainly at the time of its
introduction). But any such discussion is pointless as we are where we
are. (And it's preferable to VVS!)


Long ago, I was reading movie trivia, and discovered there were various
aspect ratios to the new widescreen movies. IIRC, one was 16:9.

[]
Teamviewer is installed on all my desktops, for the same use as you.
Then when they call, I don't have to go to a particular computer.


Have you had the false diagnosis of commercial use? (When I got it, I
looked into the pricing: it's such a good utility that I would have
considered it. But it's so high it really is only for the professional
user - especially as it's monthly rather than a one-off.)


Teamviewer screwed up, a bug in an update that erroneously mislabeled
the use. I think this was exacerbated if you chose the combo
private/commercial option when you installed it. All I had to do was
send an email to a specific email address, and my stuff was reset.

[]
Most of those still don't seem to have got to grips with the
advantages
of flat screen; they have a space into which the monitor is placed,
still needing a stand and space all around, as if it was still a CRT
monitor with bulk. None of them seem to have it attached to the back
wall, let alone used lateral thinking and attached it as hinged _over_
some of the compartments thus allowing a bigger screen.


The newest, and biggest, cabinet is now 18 years old. The other, at
least 10 years older.


Ah, so designed in the CRT era; fair enough. I assumed that the ones
(computer desks) on the page you gave me a link to were mostly new ones,
and I was surprised they all still showed the monitor as standing in one
of the boxes, rather than fixed thus wasting less space.


The older one, definitely. Smaller widescreens may have been coming in
with the newer one, but I simply don't remember.


--
Ken
MacOS 10.14.5
Firefox 67.0.4
Thunderbird 60.7
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"
  #24  
Old September 11th 19, 03:49 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Rene Lamontagne
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Posts: 26
Default A screen question.

On 2019-09-11 9:30 a.m., Ken Springer wrote:
On 9/11/19 4:51 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Ken Springer
writes:
On 9/10/19 2:49 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Ken Springer
writes:

[]
When I look at a vertical straight line, this is what I see:

|
\
Â*Â* |
Â*Â* |
/
|

More or less.Â* LOL
Â* Oh dear! I don't think _any_ monitor (or playing with resolutions)
will
fix that )-:. I can't see how glasses will, either, unless your
eyeballs
don't move, to preserve alignment.

Yep.Â* Nothing except a new eyeball will fix that.


_Could_ a _contact_ lens - or surgically attached one? In other words,
is the distortion in your lens, retina, or image processing brainware?


A contact lens would have to be oriented correctly when you put them in.
Â*Possibly new lenses, as you get with cataract surgery, but then what
do you do if you eyeball changes?Â* Thee surgery is quick, but it isn't
cheap.

I experimented with the options of increasing the text size by 125% or
150%.Â* Bit this does not change the size of the text in menus in the
windows.Â* And, if the situation is right, dialog boxes may have the
buttons you need to click on off the screen to the bottom, and you
can't get to them!
Â* The text size manipulations aren't great - and many softwares don't
honour them properly, so if you _do_ increase text size, they don't
enlarge the box it goes in, so you end up with either overlapping
letters, or text spilling out of the box )-:.

They're so crappy, why do they bother to keep them?


Good question. (By the way, when I was looking yesterday, this system
only offered 100% and 125%. No 150%.) Probably lethargy.


I noticed no 150% just recently, somewhere.Â* I wonder if that was a
laptop with a smaller screen.

Â*[]
The really sad thing is, for everything in a window, it could be
adjusted and changed in XP and earlier.Â* But then they got rid of it.


If pressed, they'd probably say they removed those settings because some
people change them then don't remember how (or _that_) they did, and
think something's wrong. Rather like you could change various aspects of
the display (colours, widths, fonts ...) in Windows 95 - and still could
in '98, but had to press an "Advanced" button to get at them (-:.


That's a possibility I hadn't thought of.Â* End result is penalizing the
majority for just a few ignorant ones.

snip

This Pro-Art rotates 900
Or 8:5 (-:

Does it really display as 900 on your system?Â* I ask, because I used
the degree sign when I typed the message.


Yes. At least, I didn't amend the quoted text; I think it had been
amended by the time I got it, rather than my system, which can display
the ° sign OK. (That's the degree sign, in case it has been amended by
the time _you_ see it.)


It must have been amended, as your degree sign came through.

snip

(I use "[]" to mean the same thing.)
[]


I noticed.Â* LOL

snip

You can blame the movie people for the widescreen today, IMO.


Yes and no. As I said, widescreen isn't that great even for most movie
scenes, but (on the whole) we're stuck with it for movies - but its
introduction in the PC world was due to the belief that movie-viewing
was going to be a large part of what PCs were going to be used for,
which I dispute (even now, and certainly at the time of its
introduction). But any such discussion is pointless as we are where we
are. (And it's preferable to VVS!)


Long ago, I was reading movie trivia, and discovered there were various
aspect ratios to the new widescreen movies.Â* IIRC, one was 16:9.

[]
Teamviewer is installed on all my desktops, for the same use as you.
Then when they call, I don't have to go to a particular computer.


Have you had the false diagnosis of commercial use? (When I got it, I
looked into the pricing: it's such a good utility that I would have
considered it. But it's so high it really is only for the professional
user - especially as it's monthly rather than a one-off.)


Teamviewer screwed up, a bug in an update that erroneously mislabeled
the use.Â* I think this was exacerbated if you chose the combo
private/commercial option when you installed it.Â* All I had to do was
send an email to a specific email address, and my stuff was reset.

[]
Â* Most of those still don't seem to have got to grips with the
advantages
of flat screen; they have a space into which the monitor is placed,
still needing a stand and space all around, as if it was still a CRT
monitor with bulk. None of them seem to have it attached to the back
wall, let alone used lateral thinking and attached it as hinged _over_
some of the compartments thus allowing a bigger screen.

The newest, and biggest, cabinet is now 18 years old.Â* The other, at
least 10 years older.


Ah, so designed in the CRT era; fair enough. I assumed that the ones
(computer desks) on the page you gave me a link to were mostly new ones,
and I was surprised they all still showed the monitor as standing in one
of the boxes, rather than fixed thus wasting less space.


The older one, definitely.Â* Smaller widescreens may have been coming in
with the newer one, but I simply don't remember.



I don't know if I have mentioned this in this thread, but here is a very
useful utility to change individual font sizes.

https://www.wintools.info/index.php/...m-font-changer


BTW, my Windows 10 shows
100%
125%
150%
175%.

Rene



  #25  
Old September 11th 19, 04:09 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Ken Springer[_2_]
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Posts: 49
Default A screen question.

On 9/11/19 8:49 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
I don't know if I have mentioned this in this thread, but here is a very
useful utility to change individual font sizes.


Are you referring to Advanced System Font Size Changer?

I have that installed on my W10 system, but of course, does nothing for
text you've entered into a word processor, for instance.

I've noticed that sometimes, when you switch to different fonts, the
design of the font will no longer fit into a field that you populate.

Both of these problems are solved with out any tweaking by simply
lowering the screen resolution. But as I mentioned, you do need a
larger monitor, unless you already own one.

--
Ken
MacOS 10.14.5
Firefox 67.0.4
Thunderbird 60.7
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"
  #26  
Old September 11th 19, 04:23 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Rene Lamontagne
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Posts: 26
Default A screen question.

On 2019-09-11 10:09 a.m., Ken Springer wrote:
On 9/11/19 8:49 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
I don't know if I have mentioned this in this thread, but here is a very
useful utility to change individual font sizes.


Are you referring to Advanced System Font Size Changer?

I have that installed on my W10 system, but of course, does nothing for
text you've entered into a word processor, for instance.

I've noticed that sometimes, when you switch to different fonts, the
design of the font will no longer fit into a field that you populate.

Both of these problems are solved with out any tweaking by simply
lowering the screen resolution.Â* But as I mentioned, you do need a
larger monitor, unless you already own one.


Yes, and yes it has some drawbacks and is only helpful for certain things.
I had a 23" IPS monitor but due to my very poor eyesight I have now
switched to a 27" Asus IPS which helps a lot
I suffer from Albinism, astigmatism and Nystagmus Which gives me about
20/240 with my glasses on I don't know what it is without glasses.
I look at my monitor from a distance of about 6 inches so it involves a
lot of head swiveling, but I manage.

Rene


  #27  
Old September 11th 19, 04:55 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Ken Springer[_2_]
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Posts: 49
Default A screen question.

On 9/11/19 9:23 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2019-09-11 10:09 a.m., Ken Springer wrote:
On 9/11/19 8:49 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
I don't know if I have mentioned this in this thread, but here is a very
useful utility to change individual font sizes.


Are you referring to Advanced System Font Size Changer?

I have that installed on my W10 system, but of course, does nothing for
text you've entered into a word processor, for instance.

I've noticed that sometimes, when you switch to different fonts, the
design of the font will no longer fit into a field that you populate.

Both of these problems are solved with out any tweaking by simply
lowering the screen resolution.Â* But as I mentioned, you do need a
larger monitor, unless you already own one.


Yes, and yes it has some drawbacks and is only helpful for certain things.
I had a 23" IPS monitor but due to my very poor eyesight I have now
switched to a 27" Asus IPS which helps a lot
I suffer from Albinism, astigmatism and Nystagmus Which gives me about
20/240 with my glasses on I don't know what it is without glasses.
I look at my monitor from a distance of about 6 inches so it involves a
lot of head swiveling, but I manage.


Could I ask you for a favor?

Would you set your screen resolution to the next lower resolution that
is listed in your screen display options, and let me know if it is any help?

My monitors are 24", and switching from 1920X1200 to 1600X1000 works
well for me, and now I just never notice I'm not at optimum resolution.

"Optimum" is a crappy word to be used the way MS and the manufacturers
use it. "Optimum" is what works best for the user.


--
Ken
MacOS 10.14.5
Firefox 67.0.4
Thunderbird 60.7
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"
  #28  
Old September 11th 19, 05:19 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Rene Lamontagne
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Posts: 26
Default A screen question.

On 2019-09-11 10:55 a.m., Ken Springer wrote:
On 9/11/19 9:23 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2019-09-11 10:09 a.m., Ken Springer wrote:
On 9/11/19 8:49 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
I don't know if I have mentioned this in this thread, but here is a
very
useful utility to change individual font sizes.

Are you referring to Advanced System Font Size Changer?

I have that installed on my W10 system, but of course, does nothing for
text you've entered into a word processor, for instance.

I've noticed that sometimes, when you switch to different fonts, the
design of the font will no longer fit into a field that you populate.

Both of these problems are solved with out any tweaking by simply
lowering the screen resolution.Â* But as I mentioned, you do need a
larger monitor, unless you already own one.


Yes, and yes it has some drawbacks and is only helpful for certain
things.
I had a 23" IPS monitor but due to my very poor eyesight I have now
switched to a 27" Asus IPS which helps a lot
I suffer from Albinism, astigmatism and Nystagmus Which gives me about
20/240 with my glasses on I don't know what it is without glasses.
I look at my monitor from a distance of about 6 inches so it involves a
lot of head swiveling, but I manage.


Could I ask you for a favor?

Would you set your screen resolution to the next lower resolution that
is listed in your screen display options, and let me know if it is any
help?

My monitors are 24", and switching from 1920X1200 to 1600X1000 works
well for me, and now I just never notice I'm not at optimum resolution.

"Optimum" is a crappy word to be used the way MS and the manufacturers
use it.Â* "Optimum" is what works best for the user.




1680x1050 is my next lower one, It does make things larger but being
16:10 it leaves a 1 inch black border on each side.
I get best results using 125% or 150% at 1920x1080.

Rene

  #29  
Old September 11th 19, 05:28 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Ken Springer[_2_]
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Posts: 49
Default A screen question.

On 9/11/19 10:19 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2019-09-11 10:55 a.m., Ken Springer wrote:
On 9/11/19 9:23 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2019-09-11 10:09 a.m., Ken Springer wrote:
On 9/11/19 8:49 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
I don't know if I have mentioned this in this thread, but here is a
very
useful utility to change individual font sizes.

Are you referring to Advanced System Font Size Changer?

I have that installed on my W10 system, but of course, does nothing for
text you've entered into a word processor, for instance.

I've noticed that sometimes, when you switch to different fonts, the
design of the font will no longer fit into a field that you populate.

Both of these problems are solved with out any tweaking by simply
lowering the screen resolution.Â* But as I mentioned, you do need a
larger monitor, unless you already own one.


Yes, and yes it has some drawbacks and is only helpful for certain
things.
I had a 23" IPS monitor but due to my very poor eyesight I have now
switched to a 27" Asus IPS which helps a lot
I suffer from Albinism, astigmatism and Nystagmus Which gives me about
20/240 with my glasses on I don't know what it is without glasses.
I look at my monitor from a distance of about 6 inches so it involves a
lot of head swiveling, but I manage.


Could I ask you for a favor?

Would you set your screen resolution to the next lower resolution that
is listed in your screen display options, and let me know if it is any
help?

My monitors are 24", and switching from 1920X1200 to 1600X1000 works
well for me, and now I just never notice I'm not at optimum resolution.

"Optimum" is a crappy word to be used the way MS and the manufacturers
use it.Â* "Optimum" is what works best for the user.




1680x1050 is my next lower one, It does make things larger but being
16:10 it leaves a 1 inch black border on each side.
I get best results using 125% or 150% at 1920x1080.


Hmmmmmm........ OK, let's start over, I need a bit of info...

Is your monitor's native resolution 1920X1200 or 1920X1080?


--
Ken
MacOS 10.14.5
Firefox 67.0.4
Thunderbird 60.7
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"
  #30  
Old September 11th 19, 05:34 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Rabid Robot
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Default A screen question.

On 2019-09-11 11:23 a.m., Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2019-09-11 10:09 a.m., Ken Springer wrote:
On 9/11/19 8:49 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
I don't know if I have mentioned this in this thread, but here is a very
useful utility to change individual font sizes.


Are you referring to Advanced System Font Size Changer?

I have that installed on my W10 system, but of course, does nothing
for text you've entered into a word processor, for instance.

I've noticed that sometimes, when you switch to different fonts, the
design of the font will no longer fit into a field that you populate.

Both of these problems are solved with out any tweaking by simply
lowering the screen resolution.Â* But as I mentioned, you do need a
larger monitor, unless you already own one.


Yes, and yes it has some drawbacks and is only helpful for certain things.
I had a 23" IPS monitor but due to my very poor eyesight I have now
switched to a 27" Asus IPS which helps a lot
I suffer from Albinism, astigmatism and Nystagmus Which gives me about
20/240 with my glasses on I don't know what it is without glasses.
I look at my monitor from a distance of about 6 inches so it involves a
lot of head swiveling, but I manage.


My condolences, that can't be the most fun reading experience. Nice to
see that you're managing through it.

 




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