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Old November 29th 06, 04:54 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.disks.general
DJW
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Default Bad Hard drive or doing something wrong?

I bought a used Seagate Medallist 8641 St38641A 8 GB hard drive on
ebay.
I installed it in a Compaq Presario 5204 desktop machine. Partitioned
it with Seagate's latest edition of Disc Wizard on two floppies made
from a download from their site.
All was going well got windows 98SE on it and it booted but as soon as
I started putting applications back on it and restarting between each
install at about 212 MB of data on it, it failed to boot. Redid it all
again and the same thing happened. So I put my old 4 GB Seagate that
came with the machine back in and reset the jumpers on the 8 GB to non
on for slave and as my computer manual says also set a jumper to cable
select to set and put it in the slave position. Did the partition and
reformat with disk wizard. Started to load more applications on it and
somewhere along the line it gave me a warning at restart that the disk
may be damaged. It ran scan disk I guess in the blue screen DOS mode
and when it gets to cluster 121,289 about of a total clusters or
1,048,864 it slows to a ridiculous crawl. And starts to say that
portion of the disk is bad and locks out for use that section and I
guess moves the data to a new area of the disk. However this is
continuing on cluster by cluster and I ran it all night maybe 15 hours
and it got to cluster 150,000 (something) and is still locking out the
areas as bad.
Now With Seagate's disk Wizard it installed Dynamic Disk Overlay to I
guess both hard drives in order to see the full 8GB of the slave. I
believe way back at first when I tried to use the drive as the primary
it only saw like 2.1 GB of the drive until I ran the Disc Wizard
application.
The question in all this is do you think I have a bad hard drive
somewhere at 200 MB and beyond or is it that the computer being a
1998-99 manufactured motherboard still can not use the larger capacity.
In my computer folder set to view as web page it show 8 GB for the size
for it.
I have purchased a few used IDE 8 to 10 GB drives on ebay that are on
the way do you think I will run into the same problems. And will or
should I use Seagate's application to partition and install the DDO
again. One is a Quantum fireball with is now supported by Maxtor, which
is owned by Seagate as the information I see on line about who owns and
supports who.
Am I basically doing something wrong? Have I missed a step or done a
redundant conflicting thing? Or do I just maybe have a bad Hard Drive?
One more sideline question of many and it only happens when I am not
doing anything to or on the slave but I hear it spin down to off is
that normal for a slave?

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Old November 29th 06, 07:06 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.disks.general
Alan
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Default Bad Hard drive or doing something wrong?


"DJW" wrote in message
oups.com...
I bought a used Seagate Medallist 8641 St38641A 8 GB hard drive on
ebay.
I installed it in a Compaq Presario 5204 desktop machine. Partitioned
it with Seagate's latest edition of Disc Wizard on two floppies made
from a download from their site.
All was going well got windows 98SE on it and it booted but as soon as
I started putting applications back on it and restarting between each
install at about 212 MB of data on it, it failed to boot. Redid it all
again and the same thing happened. So I put my old 4 GB Seagate that
came with the machine back in and reset the jumpers on the 8 GB to non
on for slave and as my computer manual says also set a jumper to cable
select to set and put it in the slave position. Did the partition and
reformat with disk wizard. Started to load more applications on it and
somewhere along the line it gave me a warning at restart that the disk
may be damaged. It ran scan disk I guess in the blue screen DOS mode
and when it gets to cluster 121,289 about of a total clusters or
1,048,864 it slows to a ridiculous crawl. And starts to say that
portion of the disk is bad and locks out for use that section and I
guess moves the data to a new area of the disk. However this is
continuing on cluster by cluster and I ran it all night maybe 15 hours
and it got to cluster 150,000 (something) and is still locking out the
areas as bad.
Now With Seagate's disk Wizard it installed Dynamic Disk Overlay to I
guess both hard drives in order to see the full 8GB of the slave. I
believe way back at first when I tried to use the drive as the primary
it only saw like 2.1 GB of the drive until I ran the Disc Wizard
application.
The question in all this is do you think I have a bad hard drive
somewhere at 200 MB and beyond or is it that the computer being a
1998-99 manufactured motherboard still can not use the larger capacity.
In my computer folder set to view as web page it show 8 GB for the size
for it.
I have purchased a few used IDE 8 to 10 GB drives on ebay that are on
the way do you think I will run into the same problems. And will or
should I use Seagate's application to partition and install the DDO
again. One is a Quantum fireball with is now supported by Maxtor, which
is owned by Seagate as the information I see on line about who owns and
supports who.
Am I basically doing something wrong? Have I missed a step or done a
redundant conflicting thing? Or do I just maybe have a bad Hard Drive?
One more sideline question of many and it only happens when I am not
doing anything to or on the slave but I hear it spin down to off is
that normal for a slave?


Are you able to use the Disc Wizard Starter Edition to zero fill the
complete drive? I had a problem with a Seagate drive that permanently
returned Scandisk errors/bad sectors. Once I zero filled the entire drive
(not just the quick version) and reformatted it was OK. Also what does the
BIOS say about your drive?
Alan


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Old November 29th 06, 07:45 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.disks.general
Gary S. Terhune
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Default Bad Hard drive or doing something wrong?

You don't need a disk overlay for Win98 on that size disk. I'd suggest
following Alan's advice. Zero out the disk using the Seagate tools but don't
partition or format and don't install the overlay, then boot to the Windows
Startup floppy disk, run FDISK to partition (saying Yes to large disk
support) and then Format it. If it makes it through those procedures with no
clusters reported bad, then the disk should be good to go.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"DJW" wrote in message
oups.com...
I bought a used Seagate Medallist 8641 St38641A 8 GB hard drive on
ebay.
I installed it in a Compaq Presario 5204 desktop machine. Partitioned
it with Seagate's latest edition of Disc Wizard on two floppies made
from a download from their site.
All was going well got windows 98SE on it and it booted but as soon as
I started putting applications back on it and restarting between each
install at about 212 MB of data on it, it failed to boot. Redid it all
again and the same thing happened. So I put my old 4 GB Seagate that
came with the machine back in and reset the jumpers on the 8 GB to non
on for slave and as my computer manual says also set a jumper to cable
select to set and put it in the slave position. Did the partition and
reformat with disk wizard. Started to load more applications on it and
somewhere along the line it gave me a warning at restart that the disk
may be damaged. It ran scan disk I guess in the blue screen DOS mode
and when it gets to cluster 121,289 about of a total clusters or
1,048,864 it slows to a ridiculous crawl. And starts to say that
portion of the disk is bad and locks out for use that section and I
guess moves the data to a new area of the disk. However this is
continuing on cluster by cluster and I ran it all night maybe 15 hours
and it got to cluster 150,000 (something) and is still locking out the
areas as bad.
Now With Seagate's disk Wizard it installed Dynamic Disk Overlay to I
guess both hard drives in order to see the full 8GB of the slave. I
believe way back at first when I tried to use the drive as the primary
it only saw like 2.1 GB of the drive until I ran the Disc Wizard
application.
The question in all this is do you think I have a bad hard drive
somewhere at 200 MB and beyond or is it that the computer being a
1998-99 manufactured motherboard still can not use the larger capacity.
In my computer folder set to view as web page it show 8 GB for the size
for it.
I have purchased a few used IDE 8 to 10 GB drives on ebay that are on
the way do you think I will run into the same problems. And will or
should I use Seagate's application to partition and install the DDO
again. One is a Quantum fireball with is now supported by Maxtor, which
is owned by Seagate as the information I see on line about who owns and
supports who.
Am I basically doing something wrong? Have I missed a step or done a
redundant conflicting thing? Or do I just maybe have a bad Hard Drive?
One more sideline question of many and it only happens when I am not
doing anything to or on the slave but I hear it spin down to off is
that normal for a slave?



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Old November 30th 06, 05:29 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.disks.general
DJW
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Default Bad Hard drive or doing something wrong?

Alen,
Well I went and downloaded Seagate's SeaTools diagnostic software and
ran the long write to and check the drive. I tried all of the test a
few times on both drives and other options and the Seagate seatool
application reported a problem of a failure with the drive in question
bad sector or something any way got a red dot buy the drive.
I got tired of all this and just removed the drive it was rather hotter
than I thought it should be when I got it out. At least hotter than the
master drive also a Seagate but half the size was. The two used drives
from ebay showed up in the mail today so I will try them. If I get the
same problem then I guess its not the drive and will have to mess with
other stuff I know even less about Bios I guess???. Lol
May try that writing zeros thing. I did see it in the application but
did not know what it would be for. I had tried to fill the disk with
data just adding a few large applications and some cd-rs of photo but
got a right error partway through. What does the zeros do I thought
that was the way the Seagate application blocked out the sectors?

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Old November 30th 06, 03:53 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.disks.general
Babs
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Default Bad Hard drive or doing something wrong?

The Disc Wizard, when it writes all zeros in effect blanks the disc totally
and removes all data. Which is what you need to do. (Assuming you use the
long version. The other one just over writes the directory of where all the
files are). If the Disc Wizard can do this for all the drive then you are
going to be ok - which is what happened in my case. If it doesn't then the
drive looks like it is failing and will need to be replaced.
If I remember correctly the same software will also automatically ask if you
want to format the drive and will suggest Win 98 (FAT32) or XP (NTFS) and if
you want a boot drive. Once you have done that, assuming the zero write was
ok, you should be back in business.
(Out of interest, I couldn't get the Windows version of Disc Wizard to work
properly with my corrupt drive).
Alan
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
You don't need a disk overlay for Win98 on that size disk. I'd suggest
following Alan's advice. Zero out the disk using the Seagate tools but

don't
partition or format and don't install the overlay, then boot to the

Windows
Startup floppy disk, run FDISK to partition (saying Yes to large disk
support) and then Format it. If it makes it through those procedures with

no
clusters reported bad, then the disk should be good to go.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"DJW" wrote in message
oups.com...
I bought a used Seagate Medallist 8641 St38641A 8 GB hard drive on
ebay.
I installed it in a Compaq Presario 5204 desktop machine. Partitioned
it with Seagate's latest edition of Disc Wizard on two floppies made
from a download from their site.
All was going well got windows 98SE on it and it booted but as soon as
I started putting applications back on it and restarting between each
install at about 212 MB of data on it, it failed to boot. Redid it all
again and the same thing happened. So I put my old 4 GB Seagate that
came with the machine back in and reset the jumpers on the 8 GB to non
on for slave and as my computer manual says also set a jumper to cable
select to set and put it in the slave position. Did the partition and
reformat with disk wizard. Started to load more applications on it and
somewhere along the line it gave me a warning at restart that the disk
may be damaged. It ran scan disk I guess in the blue screen DOS mode
and when it gets to cluster 121,289 about of a total clusters or
1,048,864 it slows to a ridiculous crawl. And starts to say that
portion of the disk is bad and locks out for use that section and I
guess moves the data to a new area of the disk. However this is
continuing on cluster by cluster and I ran it all night maybe 15 hours
and it got to cluster 150,000 (something) and is still locking out the
areas as bad.
Now With Seagate's disk Wizard it installed Dynamic Disk Overlay to I
guess both hard drives in order to see the full 8GB of the slave. I
believe way back at first when I tried to use the drive as the primary
it only saw like 2.1 GB of the drive until I ran the Disc Wizard
application.
The question in all this is do you think I have a bad hard drive
somewhere at 200 MB and beyond or is it that the computer being a
1998-99 manufactured motherboard still can not use the larger capacity.
In my computer folder set to view as web page it show 8 GB for the size
for it.
I have purchased a few used IDE 8 to 10 GB drives on ebay that are on
the way do you think I will run into the same problems. And will or
should I use Seagate's application to partition and install the DDO
again. One is a Quantum fireball with is now supported by Maxtor, which
is owned by Seagate as the information I see on line about who owns and
supports who.
Am I basically doing something wrong? Have I missed a step or done a
redundant conflicting thing? Or do I just maybe have a bad Hard Drive?
One more sideline question of many and it only happens when I am not
doing anything to or on the slave but I hear it spin down to off is
that normal for a slave?





 




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