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  #1  
Old September 20th 05, 09:26 PM
PeteV
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Default Disk controller not loading, hard drive not seen

Hi!

Please, if there is anyone familiar with this problem ...

I do have IBM ThinkPad 570/Win98SE with Intel 440 chipset, and now after a
Windows repair "re-upgrade" round I have lost the Generic Disk Drive entry
from the Device Manager due to the IDE Controller loading problem.

I have already been loading the current "infinst_enu.exe" package from
Intel's pages and tried to update the Standard Bus Master IDE Hard Disk
Controller, but for some strange reason I have not been succeeding with this
so far ...

The machine is otherwise in all good working condition, on the net etc., but
the USB connection is reacting somehow but not working properly, and this IDE
controller and the hard drive seem not to be properly installed on Windows.

Could there be some problem on the Intel's drivers, or some .inf or .sys or
other small driver part missing, or maybe some problem on the mshdc.inf from
MS?


Best regards,

Pete V.

  #2  
Old September 21st 05, 12:58 AM
Ron Martell
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"PeteV" wrote:

Hi!

Please, if there is anyone familiar with this problem ...

I do have IBM ThinkPad 570/Win98SE with Intel 440 chipset, and now after a
Windows repair "re-upgrade" round I have lost the Generic Disk Drive entry
from the Device Manager due to the IDE Controller loading problem.

I have already been loading the current "infinst_enu.exe" package from
Intel's pages and tried to update the Standard Bus Master IDE Hard Disk
Controller, but for some strange reason I have not been succeeding with this
so far ...

The machine is otherwise in all good working condition, on the net etc., but
the USB connection is reacting somehow but not working properly, and this IDE
controller and the hard drive seem not to be properly installed on Windows.

Could there be some problem on the Intel's drivers, or some .inf or .sys or
other small driver part missing, or maybe some problem on the mshdc.inf from
MS?


Does your machine have a 3.5 inch diskette drive?

If so then boot it up with a Windows 98 Startup Disk (get one from
www.bootdisk.com if you don't have one already) and see if the hard
drive is readable from their.

If it is not then you have a hardware problem not a software one.

Good luck

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

In memory of a dear friend Alex Nichol MVP
http://aumha.org/alex.htm
  #3  
Old September 21st 05, 02:58 AM
PeteV
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"Ron Martell" wrote:

"PeteV" wrote:

Hi!

Please, if there is anyone familiar with this problem ...

I do have IBM ThinkPad 570/Win98SE with Intel 440 chipset, and now after a
Windows repair "re-upgrade" round I have lost the Generic Disk Drive entry
from the Device Manager due to the IDE Controller loading problem.

I have already been loading the current "infinst_enu.exe" package from
Intel's pages and tried to update the Standard Bus Master IDE Hard Disk
Controller, but for some strange reason I have not been succeeding with this
so far ...

The machine is otherwise in all good working condition, on the net etc., but
the USB connection is reacting somehow but not working properly, and this IDE
controller and the hard drive seem not to be properly installed on Windows.

Could there be some problem on the Intel's drivers, or some .inf or .sys or
other small driver part missing, or maybe some problem on the mshdc.inf from
MS?


Does your machine have a 3.5 inch diskette drive?

If so then boot it up with a Windows 98 Startup Disk (get one from
www.bootdisk.com if you don't have one already) and see if the hard
drive is readable from their.

If it is not then you have a hardware problem not a software one.

Good luck

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

In memory of a dear friend Alex Nichol MVP
http://aumha.org/alex.htm

Hi!

Thanks Ron for the hint, but sorry, the system and disk are working all
fine, the main problem is USB not working and another one the missing drive
in the Device Manager due to the disk controller prolem.

I have been tracing this so far somehow to some resource conflict on the
Intel 440 dependant drivers, but what may cause this problem ... bad Intel
drivers or maybe the Microsoft drivers involved in this same ...


Best regards,

Pete V.

  #4  
Old September 21st 05, 09:59 AM
Jeff Richards
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Perhaps you should start your question over. Is the problem with the IDE
controller or the USB controller?
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"PeteV" wrote in message
...

"Ron Martell" wrote:

"PeteV" wrote:

Hi!

Please, if there is anyone familiar with this problem ...

I do have IBM ThinkPad 570/Win98SE with Intel 440 chipset, and now after
a
Windows repair "re-upgrade" round I have lost the Generic Disk Drive
entry
from the Device Manager due to the IDE Controller loading problem.

I have already been loading the current "infinst_enu.exe" package from
Intel's pages and tried to update the Standard Bus Master IDE Hard Disk
Controller, but for some strange reason I have not been succeeding with
this
so far ...

The machine is otherwise in all good working condition, on the net etc.,
but
the USB connection is reacting somehow but not working properly, and
this IDE
controller and the hard drive seem not to be properly installed on
Windows.

Could there be some problem on the Intel's drivers, or some .inf or .sys
or
other small driver part missing, or maybe some problem on the mshdc.inf
from
MS?


Does your machine have a 3.5 inch diskette drive?

If so then boot it up with a Windows 98 Startup Disk (get one from
www.bootdisk.com if you don't have one already) and see if the hard
drive is readable from their.

If it is not then you have a hardware problem not a software one.

Good luck

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

In memory of a dear friend Alex Nichol MVP
http://aumha.org/alex.htm

Hi!

Thanks Ron for the hint, but sorry, the system and disk are working all
fine, the main problem is USB not working and another one the missing
drive
in the Device Manager due to the disk controller prolem.

I have been tracing this so far somehow to some resource conflict on the
Intel 440 dependant drivers, but what may cause this problem ... bad Intel
drivers or maybe the Microsoft drivers involved in this same ...


Best regards,

Pete V.



  #5  
Old September 21st 05, 01:00 PM
PeteV
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Hi!

OK, the problem was originally not getting the USB working at all, but, that
time there were no problems with the disk controller loading or hard disk
visibility, they were both seen all OK on the Device Manager.

But the status changed problematic as described previously after the Win98SE
re-installation and Intel 440 chipset driver update, disk controller not
anymore loading properly and hard disk vanishing from Device Manager, and
neither any success with the USB devices, they were noted there just
"unknown" ones, but surprisingly the USB controllers were both OK loaded.

Then I supposed all this shall have something to do with conflicting
resource allocations, but doing one manual resource allocation correction
didn't help, so, I came to the conclusion the updated drivers maybe are doing
something wrongly and that's why they do not load properly ...


Best regards,

Pete V.





"Jeff Richards" wrote:

Perhaps you should start your question over. Is the problem with the IDE
controller or the USB controller?
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"PeteV" wrote in message
...

"Ron Martell" wrote:

"PeteV" wrote:

Hi!

Please, if there is anyone familiar with this problem ...

I do have IBM ThinkPad 570/Win98SE with Intel 440 chipset, and now after
a
Windows repair "re-upgrade" round I have lost the Generic Disk Drive
entry
from the Device Manager due to the IDE Controller loading problem.

I have already been loading the current "infinst_enu.exe" package from
Intel's pages and tried to update the Standard Bus Master IDE Hard Disk
Controller, but for some strange reason I have not been succeeding with
this
so far ...

The machine is otherwise in all good working condition, on the net etc.,
but
the USB connection is reacting somehow but not working properly, and
this IDE
controller and the hard drive seem not to be properly installed on
Windows.

Could there be some problem on the Intel's drivers, or some .inf or .sys
or
other small driver part missing, or maybe some problem on the mshdc.inf
from
MS?


Does your machine have a 3.5 inch diskette drive?

If so then boot it up with a Windows 98 Startup Disk (get one from
www.bootdisk.com if you don't have one already) and see if the hard
drive is readable from their.

If it is not then you have a hardware problem not a software one.

Good luck

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

In memory of a dear friend Alex Nichol MVP
http://aumha.org/alex.htm

Hi!

Thanks Ron for the hint, but sorry, the system and disk are working all
fine, the main problem is USB not working and another one the missing
drive
in the Device Manager due to the disk controller prolem.

I have been tracing this so far somehow to some resource conflict on the
Intel 440 dependant drivers, but what may cause this problem ... bad Intel
drivers or maybe the Microsoft drivers involved in this same ...


Best regards,

Pete V.




  #6  
Old September 21st 05, 02:11 PM
PattyL
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Check the IBM web site for the correct drivers for your system. Laptops
generally have proprietory hardware and the generic drivers that might work
for a desktop PC may not be the correct drivers for your Thinkpad. In any
case, even with desktop systems, you often have to get the correct drivers
from the motherboard manufacturer.

PattyL

"PeteV" wrote in message
...
Hi!

OK, the problem was originally not getting the USB working at all, but,
that
time there were no problems with the disk controller loading or hard disk
visibility, they were both seen all OK on the Device Manager.

But the status changed problematic as described previously after the
Win98SE
re-installation and Intel 440 chipset driver update, disk controller not
anymore loading properly and hard disk vanishing from Device Manager, and
neither any success with the USB devices, they were noted there just
"unknown" ones, but surprisingly the USB controllers were both OK loaded.

Then I supposed all this shall have something to do with conflicting
resource allocations, but doing one manual resource allocation correction
didn't help, so, I came to the conclusion the updated drivers maybe are
doing
something wrongly and that's why they do not load properly ...


Best regards,

Pete V.





"Jeff Richards" wrote:

Perhaps you should start your question over. Is the problem with the IDE
controller or the USB controller?
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"PeteV" wrote in message
...

"Ron Martell" wrote:

"PeteV" wrote:

Hi!

Please, if there is anyone familiar with this problem ...

I do have IBM ThinkPad 570/Win98SE with Intel 440 chipset, and now
after
a
Windows repair "re-upgrade" round I have lost the Generic Disk Drive
entry
from the Device Manager due to the IDE Controller loading problem.

I have already been loading the current "infinst_enu.exe" package
from
Intel's pages and tried to update the Standard Bus Master IDE Hard
Disk
Controller, but for some strange reason I have not been succeeding
with
this
so far ...

The machine is otherwise in all good working condition, on the net
etc.,
but
the USB connection is reacting somehow but not working properly, and
this IDE
controller and the hard drive seem not to be properly installed on
Windows.

Could there be some problem on the Intel's drivers, or some .inf or
.sys
or
other small driver part missing, or maybe some problem on the
mshdc.inf
from
MS?


Does your machine have a 3.5 inch diskette drive?

If so then boot it up with a Windows 98 Startup Disk (get one from
www.bootdisk.com if you don't have one already) and see if the hard
drive is readable from their.

If it is not then you have a hardware problem not a software one.

Good luck

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

In memory of a dear friend Alex Nichol MVP
http://aumha.org/alex.htm

Hi!

Thanks Ron for the hint, but sorry, the system and disk are working all
fine, the main problem is USB not working and another one the missing
drive
in the Device Manager due to the disk controller prolem.

I have been tracing this so far somehow to some resource conflict on
the
Intel 440 dependant drivers, but what may cause this problem ... bad
Intel
drivers or maybe the Microsoft drivers involved in this same ...


Best regards,

Pete V.






  #7  
Old September 22nd 05, 10:31 AM
Jeff Richards
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I suspect the reference to USB is a red herring.

What process did you use for the re-installation? Was the disk formatted
for a clean install, or did you simply re-install over the top of the
existing system? Did you use the IBM installation disk, or a generic
Windows 98SE disk?

If the USB isn't a red herring then you may have a hardware problem.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"PeteV" wrote in message
...
Hi!

OK, the problem was originally not getting the USB working at all, but,
that
time there were no problems with the disk controller loading or hard disk
visibility, they were both seen all OK on the Device Manager.

But the status changed problematic as described previously after the
Win98SE
re-installation and Intel 440 chipset driver update, disk controller not
anymore loading properly and hard disk vanishing from Device Manager, and
neither any success with the USB devices, they were noted there just
"unknown" ones, but surprisingly the USB controllers were both OK loaded.

Then I supposed all this shall have something to do with conflicting
resource allocations, but doing one manual resource allocation correction
didn't help, so, I came to the conclusion the updated drivers maybe are
doing
something wrongly and that's why they do not load properly ...


Best regards,

Pete V.





"Jeff Richards" wrote:

Perhaps you should start your question over. Is the problem with the IDE
controller or the USB controller?
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"PeteV" wrote in message
...

"Ron Martell" wrote:

"PeteV" wrote:

Hi!

Please, if there is anyone familiar with this problem ...

I do have IBM ThinkPad 570/Win98SE with Intel 440 chipset, and now
after
a
Windows repair "re-upgrade" round I have lost the Generic Disk Drive
entry
from the Device Manager due to the IDE Controller loading problem.

I have already been loading the current "infinst_enu.exe" package
from
Intel's pages and tried to update the Standard Bus Master IDE Hard
Disk
Controller, but for some strange reason I have not been succeeding
with
this
so far ...

The machine is otherwise in all good working condition, on the net
etc.,
but
the USB connection is reacting somehow but not working properly, and
this IDE
controller and the hard drive seem not to be properly installed on
Windows.

Could there be some problem on the Intel's drivers, or some .inf or
.sys
or
other small driver part missing, or maybe some problem on the
mshdc.inf
from
MS?


Does your machine have a 3.5 inch diskette drive?

If so then boot it up with a Windows 98 Startup Disk (get one from
www.bootdisk.com if you don't have one already) and see if the hard
drive is readable from their.

If it is not then you have a hardware problem not a software one.

Good luck

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

In memory of a dear friend Alex Nichol MVP
http://aumha.org/alex.htm

Hi!

Thanks Ron for the hint, but sorry, the system and disk are working all
fine, the main problem is USB not working and another one the missing
drive
in the Device Manager due to the disk controller prolem.

I have been tracing this so far somehow to some resource conflict on
the
Intel 440 dependant drivers, but what may cause this problem ... bad
Intel
drivers or maybe the Microsoft drivers involved in this same ...


Best regards,

Pete V.






  #8  
Old September 25th 05, 11:33 AM
PeteV
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Hi!

Thank you both Patty and Jeff for your help, the case is very close to the
things you have been pointing to. Sorry, not having possibility to respond
earlier.

OK, the status now is, that the USB problem is solved by an unexpected
resolution for some days ago and the machine working all well, except, inside
Windows there is still the disk controller/disk drive device problem, maybe
just slightly slowing down the disk operations and total throughput, but not
causing any other remarkable harm, I hope ...

So, the USB problem proved really to be not any Windows or driver problem,
but problem on the USB connector, down on the left side hidden inside the
Laptop, somehow too much in and with too loose female metal cover connector,
requiring some 1 mm bending-up of the cable male connector before getting the
recognition of the device to work properly and the device installed ... all
this simple and stupid and not faced ever before ...

But, now the remaining problem, upon the repair re-install over the old one
with a generic Win98SE disk and another licence number not the original one,
the disk controller device Standard Bus Master IDE Hard Disk Controller was
somehow changed and do not anymore load the disk drive IDE Disk Type 01
device, even it's key is OK present in the Registry Enum.

Due to this problem I begun to search for a better disk controller driver,
first from IBM, then from Intel and found an update, and later still also
from MS, but still no success, the problem is remaining the same.

The Intel update for the Intel 440 chipset was the file infinst_enu.exe
v3.20.1008 updating all the Intel driver definitions on the machine. At IBM
pages they also clearly referred to this one for update needs and didn't have
any noting for any own alternative for this.

After removing all the present related devices in the Device Manager, at the
next re-start all the devices were seen one-by-one automatically updated,
with these new-loaded drivers, I suppose/hope ...

The disk controller loaded was the Standard B M IDE H D C, but as I think
the IDE chip actually is Intel 82371EB I also tried the Intel 82371AB/EB Bus
Master IDE Controller, but with the same result. Anyway, both the Standard
and 82371 devices do include the same esdi_506.pdr driver.

OK, I understand this may be quite complicated case with several maybe
"unseen/hiding" details and would need much trials and testing before solved,
maybe some updating is not really yet even made as it should be ...

But, if you have some more opinion or find some point to check, I would much
appreciate.


Thanks anyway.


Best regards,

Pete V.



"Jeff Richards" wrote:

I suspect the reference to USB is a red herring.

What process did you use for the re-installation? Was the disk formatted
for a clean install, or did you simply re-install over the top of the
existing system? Did you use the IBM installation disk, or a generic
Windows 98SE disk?

If the USB isn't a red herring then you may have a hardware problem.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"PeteV" wrote in message
...
Hi!

OK, the problem was originally not getting the USB working at all, but,
that
time there were no problems with the disk controller loading or hard disk
visibility, they were both seen all OK on the Device Manager.

But the status changed problematic as described previously after the
Win98SE
re-installation and Intel 440 chipset driver update, disk controller not
anymore loading properly and hard disk vanishing from Device Manager, and
neither any success with the USB devices, they were noted there just
"unknown" ones, but surprisingly the USB controllers were both OK loaded.

Then I supposed all this shall have something to do with conflicting
resource allocations, but doing one manual resource allocation correction
didn't help, so, I came to the conclusion the updated drivers maybe are
doing
something wrongly and that's why they do not load properly ...


Best regards,

Pete V.





"Jeff Richards" wrote:

Perhaps you should start your question over. Is the problem with the IDE
controller or the USB controller?
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"PeteV" wrote in message
...

"Ron Martell" wrote:

"PeteV" wrote:

Hi!

Please, if there is anyone familiar with this problem ...

I do have IBM ThinkPad 570/Win98SE with Intel 440 chipset, and now
after
a
Windows repair "re-upgrade" round I have lost the Generic Disk Drive
entry
from the Device Manager due to the IDE Controller loading problem.

I have already been loading the current "infinst_enu.exe" package
from
Intel's pages and tried to update the Standard Bus Master IDE Hard
Disk
Controller, but for some strange reason I have not been succeeding
with
this
so far ...

The machine is otherwise in all good working condition, on the net
etc.,
but
the USB connection is reacting somehow but not working properly, and
this IDE
controller and the hard drive seem not to be properly installed on
Windows.

Could there be some problem on the Intel's drivers, or some .inf or
.sys
or
other small driver part missing, or maybe some problem on the
mshdc.inf
from
MS?


Does your machine have a 3.5 inch diskette drive?

If so then boot it up with a Windows 98 Startup Disk (get one from
www.bootdisk.com if you don't have one already) and see if the hard
drive is readable from their.

If it is not then you have a hardware problem not a software one.

Good luck

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

In memory of a dear friend Alex Nichol MVP
http://aumha.org/alex.htm

Hi!

Thanks Ron for the hint, but sorry, the system and disk are working all
fine, the main problem is USB not working and another one the missing
drive
in the Device Manager due to the disk controller prolem.

I have been tracing this so far somehow to some resource conflict on
the
Intel 440 dependant drivers, but what may cause this problem ... bad
Intel
drivers or maybe the Microsoft drivers involved in this same ...


Best regards,

Pete V.







  #9  
Old September 26th 05, 08:09 PM
PattyL
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When you removed all the related drivers, did you do it in Safe Mode? If
not, this is a step that I would suggest. Often you will find devices that
show up here that did not show up in normal mode.

If you do not have specific drivers from IBM, then my guess is that Windows
includes the correct drivers but something has been preventing the devices
from being correctly identified or it is confused since you have forced the
selection of different devices.

I assume that you have this file and have read & followed the instructions
since you are not using a Windows 98 recovery disk.

http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/si...id=DSHY-46YR5J

PattyL


"PeteV" wrote in message
...
Hi!

Thank you both Patty and Jeff for your help, the case is very close to the
things you have been pointing to. Sorry, not having possibility to
respond
earlier.

OK, the status now is, that the USB problem is solved by an unexpected
resolution for some days ago and the machine working all well, except,
inside
Windows there is still the disk controller/disk drive device problem,
maybe
just slightly slowing down the disk operations and total throughput, but
not
causing any other remarkable harm, I hope ...

So, the USB problem proved really to be not any Windows or driver problem,
but problem on the USB connector, down on the left side hidden inside the
Laptop, somehow too much in and with too loose female metal cover
connector,
requiring some 1 mm bending-up of the cable male connector before getting
the
recognition of the device to work properly and the device installed ...
all
this simple and stupid and not faced ever before ...

But, now the remaining problem, upon the repair re-install over the old
one
with a generic Win98SE disk and another licence number not the original
one,
the disk controller device Standard Bus Master IDE Hard Disk Controller
was
somehow changed and do not anymore load the disk drive IDE Disk Type 01
device, even it's key is OK present in the Registry Enum.

Due to this problem I begun to search for a better disk controller driver,
first from IBM, then from Intel and found an update, and later still also
from MS, but still no success, the problem is remaining the same.

The Intel update for the Intel 440 chipset was the file infinst_enu.exe
v3.20.1008 updating all the Intel driver definitions on the machine. At
IBM
pages they also clearly referred to this one for update needs and didn't
have
any noting for any own alternative for this.

After removing all the present related devices in the Device Manager, at
the
next re-start all the devices were seen one-by-one automatically updated,
with these new-loaded drivers, I suppose/hope ...

The disk controller loaded was the Standard B M IDE H D C, but as I think
the IDE chip actually is Intel 82371EB I also tried the Intel 82371AB/EB
Bus
Master IDE Controller, but with the same result. Anyway, both the
Standard
and 82371 devices do include the same esdi_506.pdr driver.

OK, I understand this may be quite complicated case with several maybe
"unseen/hiding" details and would need much trials and testing before
solved,
maybe some updating is not really yet even made as it should be ...

But, if you have some more opinion or find some point to check, I would
much
appreciate.


Thanks anyway.


Best regards,

Pete V.



"Jeff Richards" wrote:

I suspect the reference to USB is a red herring.

What process did you use for the re-installation? Was the disk formatted
for a clean install, or did you simply re-install over the top of the
existing system? Did you use the IBM installation disk, or a generic
Windows 98SE disk?

If the USB isn't a red herring then you may have a hardware problem.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"PeteV" wrote in message
...
Hi!

OK, the problem was originally not getting the USB working at all, but,
that
time there were no problems with the disk controller loading or hard
disk
visibility, they were both seen all OK on the Device Manager.

But the status changed problematic as described previously after the
Win98SE
re-installation and Intel 440 chipset driver update, disk controller
not
anymore loading properly and hard disk vanishing from Device Manager,
and
neither any success with the USB devices, they were noted there just
"unknown" ones, but surprisingly the USB controllers were both OK
loaded.

Then I supposed all this shall have something to do with conflicting
resource allocations, but doing one manual resource allocation
correction
didn't help, so, I came to the conclusion the updated drivers maybe are
doing
something wrongly and that's why they do not load properly ...


Best regards,

Pete V.





"Jeff Richards" wrote:

Perhaps you should start your question over. Is the problem with the
IDE
controller or the USB controller?
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"PeteV" wrote in message
...

"Ron Martell" wrote:

"PeteV" wrote:

Hi!

Please, if there is anyone familiar with this problem ...

I do have IBM ThinkPad 570/Win98SE with Intel 440 chipset, and now
after
a
Windows repair "re-upgrade" round I have lost the Generic Disk
Drive
entry
from the Device Manager due to the IDE Controller loading problem.

I have already been loading the current "infinst_enu.exe" package
from
Intel's pages and tried to update the Standard Bus Master IDE Hard
Disk
Controller, but for some strange reason I have not been succeeding
with
this
so far ...

The machine is otherwise in all good working condition, on the net
etc.,
but
the USB connection is reacting somehow but not working properly,
and
this IDE
controller and the hard drive seem not to be properly installed on
Windows.

Could there be some problem on the Intel's drivers, or some .inf
or
.sys
or
other small driver part missing, or maybe some problem on the
mshdc.inf
from
MS?


Does your machine have a 3.5 inch diskette drive?

If so then boot it up with a Windows 98 Startup Disk (get one from
www.bootdisk.com if you don't have one already) and see if the hard
drive is readable from their.

If it is not then you have a hardware problem not a software one.

Good luck

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

In memory of a dear friend Alex Nichol MVP
http://aumha.org/alex.htm

Hi!

Thanks Ron for the hint, but sorry, the system and disk are working
all
fine, the main problem is USB not working and another one the
missing
drive
in the Device Manager due to the disk controller prolem.

I have been tracing this so far somehow to some resource conflict on
the
Intel 440 dependant drivers, but what may cause this problem ... bad
Intel
drivers or maybe the Microsoft drivers involved in this same ...


Best regards,

Pete V.









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Old September 27th 05, 12:45 AM
PeteV
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Hi!

Thanks for your reply Patty.

Yes, I did do the removals both in Normal and also in Safe Mode, to get all
of the unused devices cleaned away from "disturbing" ...

Also the IBM Supplement File Diskette III was applied there on some phase,
but, now I'm not too sure, if also Diskette II, even it looks quite familiar
....

OK, now the machine is once again in regular use at the client and I can't
anymore do any checkings/updates/corrections on it just for the moment, but
let's see what happens during the coming weeks ...


Thanks anyway.


Best regards,


Pete V.



"PattyL" wrote:

When you removed all the related drivers, did you do it in Safe Mode? If
not, this is a step that I would suggest. Often you will find devices that
show up here that did not show up in normal mode.

If you do not have specific drivers from IBM, then my guess is that Windows
includes the correct drivers but something has been preventing the devices
from being correctly identified or it is confused since you have forced the
selection of different devices.

I assume that you have this file and have read & followed the instructions
since you are not using a Windows 98 recovery disk.

http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/si...id=DSHY-46YR5J

PattyL


"PeteV" wrote in message
...
Hi!

Thank you both Patty and Jeff for your help, the case is very close to the
things you have been pointing to. Sorry, not having possibility to
respond
earlier.

OK, the status now is, that the USB problem is solved by an unexpected
resolution for some days ago and the machine working all well, except,
inside
Windows there is still the disk controller/disk drive device problem,
maybe
just slightly slowing down the disk operations and total throughput, but
not
causing any other remarkable harm, I hope ...

So, the USB problem proved really to be not any Windows or driver problem,
but problem on the USB connector, down on the left side hidden inside the
Laptop, somehow too much in and with too loose female metal cover
connector,
requiring some 1 mm bending-up of the cable male connector before getting
the
recognition of the device to work properly and the device installed ...
all
this simple and stupid and not faced ever before ...

But, now the remaining problem, upon the repair re-install over the old
one
with a generic Win98SE disk and another licence number not the original
one,
the disk controller device Standard Bus Master IDE Hard Disk Controller
was
somehow changed and do not anymore load the disk drive IDE Disk Type 01
device, even it's key is OK present in the Registry Enum.

Due to this problem I begun to search for a better disk controller driver,
first from IBM, then from Intel and found an update, and later still also
from MS, but still no success, the problem is remaining the same.

The Intel update for the Intel 440 chipset was the file infinst_enu.exe
v3.20.1008 updating all the Intel driver definitions on the machine. At
IBM
pages they also clearly referred to this one for update needs and didn't
have
any noting for any own alternative for this.

After removing all the present related devices in the Device Manager, at
the
next re-start all the devices were seen one-by-one automatically updated,
with these new-loaded drivers, I suppose/hope ...

The disk controller loaded was the Standard B M IDE H D C, but as I think
the IDE chip actually is Intel 82371EB I also tried the Intel 82371AB/EB
Bus
Master IDE Controller, but with the same result. Anyway, both the
Standard
and 82371 devices do include the same esdi_506.pdr driver.

OK, I understand this may be quite complicated case with several maybe
"unseen/hiding" details and would need much trials and testing before
solved,
maybe some updating is not really yet even made as it should be ...

But, if you have some more opinion or find some point to check, I would
much
appreciate.


Thanks anyway.


Best regards,

Pete V.



"Jeff Richards" wrote:

I suspect the reference to USB is a red herring.

What process did you use for the re-installation? Was the disk formatted
for a clean install, or did you simply re-install over the top of the
existing system? Did you use the IBM installation disk, or a generic
Windows 98SE disk?

If the USB isn't a red herring then you may have a hardware problem.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"PeteV" wrote in message
...
Hi!

OK, the problem was originally not getting the USB working at all, but,
that
time there were no problems with the disk controller loading or hard
disk
visibility, they were both seen all OK on the Device Manager.

But the status changed problematic as described previously after the
Win98SE
re-installation and Intel 440 chipset driver update, disk controller
not
anymore loading properly and hard disk vanishing from Device Manager,
and
neither any success with the USB devices, they were noted there just
"unknown" ones, but surprisingly the USB controllers were both OK
loaded.

Then I supposed all this shall have something to do with conflicting
resource allocations, but doing one manual resource allocation
correction
didn't help, so, I came to the conclusion the updated drivers maybe are
doing
something wrongly and that's why they do not load properly ...


Best regards,

Pete V.





"Jeff Richards" wrote:

Perhaps you should start your question over. Is the problem with the
IDE
controller or the USB controller?
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"PeteV" wrote in message
...

"Ron Martell" wrote:

"PeteV" wrote:

Hi!

Please, if there is anyone familiar with this problem ...

I do have IBM ThinkPad 570/Win98SE with Intel 440 chipset, and now
after
a
Windows repair "re-upgrade" round I have lost the Generic Disk
Drive
entry
from the Device Manager due to the IDE Controller loading problem.

I have already been loading the current "infinst_enu.exe" package
from
Intel's pages and tried to update the Standard Bus Master IDE Hard
Disk
Controller, but for some strange reason I have not been succeeding
with
this
so far ...

The machine is otherwise in all good working condition, on the net
etc.,
but
the USB connection is reacting somehow but not working properly,
and
this IDE
controller and the hard drive seem not to be properly installed on
Windows.

Could there be some problem on the Intel's drivers, or some .inf
or
.sys
or
other small driver part missing, or maybe some problem on the
mshdc.inf
from
MS?


Does your machine have a 3.5 inch diskette drive?

If so then boot it up with a Windows 98 Startup Disk (get one from
www.bootdisk.com if you don't have one already) and see if the hard
drive is readable from their.

If it is not then you have a hardware problem not a software one.

Good luck

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

In memory of a dear friend Alex Nichol MVP
http://aumha.org/alex.htm

Hi!

Thanks Ron for the hint, but sorry, the system and disk are working
all
fine, the main problem is USB not working and another one the
missing
drive
in the Device Manager due to the disk controller prolem.

I have been tracing this so far somehow to some resource conflict on
the
Intel 440 dependant drivers, but what may cause this problem ... bad
Intel
drivers or maybe the Microsoft drivers involved in this same ...


Best regards,

Pete V.










 




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