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Old January 23rd 17, 05:18 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
R.Wieser
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Default Problem with writing/updating to a 32 GB USB stick.

Hello all,

I've got a problem with accessing a 32GB FAT32-formatted USB stick.
Although reading from it seems to go fine, either writing big or many files
to it causes the computer to freeze hard (forcing a hard reset). 8GB
sticks have always worked fine (never had or used 16GB sticks).

Does anyone know why this happens and how to fix it.

Extra info: Some years ago I did install some generic USB device driver
(NUSB 3.3).

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

P.s.
I just saw "98 Guy" mention NUSB 3.6 which I'm willing to try _if_ there is
an indication that it would solve the described problem.



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Old January 23rd 17, 06:20 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
98 Guy[_5_]
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Default Problem with writing/updating to a 32 GB USB stick.

"R.Wieser" wrote:

I've got a problem with accessing a 32GB FAT32-formatted USB stick.
Although reading from it seems to go fine, either writing big or
many files to it causes the computer to freeze hard (forcing a hard
reset). 8GB sticks have always worked fine (never had or used 16GB
sticks).

Does anyone know why this happens and how to fix it.


If you have access to a win-7 machine, then the first thing to try is
plug the stick into the win-7 machine and see if you get any messages
like "the drive is messed up" or need to be repaired. If not, then get
the properties on the stick and make sure its formatted as FAT32 and not
Exfat or ntfs.

Beyond that, I know I have issues sometimes plugging in a thumb drive
into the chassis-mounted USB port on my win-98 system.

This looks like a bad or intermittent contact issue. Sometimes plugging
in the stick half way (or just short of all-the-way) makes the
difference between Win-98 seeing or not seeing the stick.
  #3  
Old January 23rd 17, 07:09 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
R.Wieser
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Default Problem with writing/updating to a 32 GB USB stick.

98 Guy,

then the first thing to try is plug the stick into the win-7 machine and
see if you get any messages like "the drive is messed up" or need to
be repaired


Not an idea I will follow easily. I've got a small (2GB) stick here which
has _served me for years without a problem_, but a friends Win7 machine
always wants to "repair" it. It does not think its in any way necessary to
tell us _what_ is wrong, so I always decline.

make sure its formatted as FAT32


Well, I could read from it without a problem. And althoug I did not
explicitily mention it, it also had no problem when I copied a few smaller
files onto it (or when I created a number of folders and subfolders).

I also (re-)formatted it on an XP machine (tried to create multiple
partitions. But although I've got an USB-attached PATA drive (yep, old)
which works that way, it refuses when I try to do that with the stick),
making sure I did chose FAT32. Just checked again. Yup, properties shows
its FAT32 alright.

Beyond that, I know I have issues sometimes plugging in a thumb drive
into the chassis-mounted USB port on my win-98 system.


I was always able to read from it, never noticed a hitch. But I can try a
few other ports I guess. Maybe even the USB v1.1 ones. :-) I would rather
not use those to fill up the stick though ...

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


-- Origional message:
98 Guy schreef in berichtnieuws ...
"R.Wieser" wrote:

I've got a problem with accessing a 32GB FAT32-formatted USB stick.
Although reading from it seems to go fine, either writing big or
many files to it causes the computer to freeze hard (forcing a hard
reset). 8GB sticks have always worked fine (never had or used 16GB
sticks).

Does anyone know why this happens and how to fix it.


If you have access to a win-7 machine, then the first thing to try is
plug the stick into the win-7 machine and see if you get any messages
like "the drive is messed up" or need to be repaired. If not, then get
the properties on the stick and make sure its formatted as FAT32 and not
Exfat or ntfs.

Beyond that, I know I have issues sometimes plugging in a thumb drive
into the chassis-mounted USB port on my win-98 system.

This looks like a bad or intermittent contact issue. Sometimes plugging
in the stick half way (or just short of all-the-way) makes the
difference between Win-98 seeing or not seeing the stick.




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Old January 24th 17, 01:18 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Lee
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Default Problem with writing/updating to a 32 GB USB stick.


What I've discovered on 98 is that NUSB 3.6 is stuck in non-support mode and for the most part can't even be found anymore for download. Some evidence that 3.3 was better anyway, I have nothing to say that it is.

What I do have to say is that 3.6 failed to install the most important part.. That would be the part that shows up in the system tray when you insert a USB drive and just like in XP, it does not go away until you click on it and make it OK to remove the drive. If this process isn't followed you have just borked your USB drive most likely. And all it takes is one unauthorized removal. Of course YMMV here, best of luck there too.

R Loew has some USB files for free and in his method one places the tray app in the system folder and a shortcut to it in the startup folder manually so that it runs every time windows does. THIS is what 3.6 fails to do, it fails to run the overlord app. The one that makes it OK to remove the drive. The one that smells your USB port and fires up when you do insert a USB drive, just like in XP.

I would far more trust Win7's opinion on a flash drive's health than a seat of the pants evaluation such as 'works fine'. Thanks 98 guy, I'll put that tip to work the very next time I use a USB drive.
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Old January 24th 17, 09:29 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
R.Wieser
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Default Problem with writing/updating to a 32 GB USB stick.

Lee,

I would far more trust Win7's opinion on a flash drive's health than
a seat of the pants evaluation such as 'works fine'.


Well, that "seat of the pants" evaluation is exactly that: an _evaluation_
of it having worked well for years . Win7's "opinion" is based on ...
what exactly ?

If a mechanic tells you your car needs to be repaired, but does not bother
to inform you what the problem is or what the end result would be, would you
allow him to just do it ? I certainly would not (heck, I would instantly
distrust the guy).

Some day I might just backup that stick, let Win7 "have its way" and than do
a compare to see what it actually "repaired".

Regards,
Rudy Wieser



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Old January 25th 17, 04:23 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
98 Guy[_5_]
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Default Problem with writing/updating to a 32 GB USB stick.

Lee wrote:

What I've discovered on 98 is that NUSB 3.6 is stuck in non-support
mode and for the most part can't even be found anymore for download.


Are you knocking 3.6 because it's "not supported" ?

And 3.3 IS supported?

One of the files installed by NUSB 3.6 is usbccgp.sys, which is the "USB
Common Class Generic Parent Driver" and comes from Win-XP SP3.

I posted the following here in 2014. Maybe it provides some answers or
new information.

I don't know if any of the links work. If anyone wants any of these
files - ask me.

And remember, you need to wipe quite a bit of your existing USB stuff
out of your device manager before you install NUSB. You might even
have to start your computer in safe mode when you go into device manager
- you typically see stuff in Device Manager when you're in safe mode
that you don't see when you've booted normally.

-------------------------

Maximus-Decim Native USB Driver (also known as NUSB).

Last version is 3.6.

Can be downloaded from he

http://www.tmeeco.eu/Fileden/nusb36e.exe

NUSB 3.6 supports only mass storage devices, but some composite devices
were added since version 3.3. No scanners or printers are supported.

The "native" in this name of this driver means that a
"generic/universal" driver is provided for Mass Storage Devices, as
opposed to original win-98SE which requires each USB Storage device to
have it's own manufacturer-provided driver.

To install NUSB 3.6, you should remove ALL entries for ALL USB connected
devices (including entries under "Universal Serial Bus controllers,"
"Disk drives," "Storage devices," and any others, including Printers in
your case) while running win-98 in Safe Mode. Order of their removal is
not important, just be sure you remove them all. Then reboot the
machine.

Unpon rebooting, Bypass/Cancel any driver installation requests, and
when the Desktop has loaded, check the Device Manager to see that none
of the USB devices have returned. If they have, remove them, then
install NUSB 3.6. You will be prompted to reboot for the new drivers to
be installed.

-----------------

If you have a VIA chipset (or otherwise have a USB controller made by
VIA) on your motherboard, then you might benefit from a driver install
package distributed as VIAUSB2.ZIP, which contains these files:

USBEHCI.SYS VIA EHCI Miniport Driver
USBHUB20.SYS VIA USB 2.0 HUB Driver
USBPORT.SYS VIA USB 2.0 Port Driver

This is a VIA USB 2.0 driver stack which replaces the Microsoft Windows
2000 USB 2.0 stack that is installed by Maximus-Decim NUSB and the
Unofficial Service Pack on systems that have VIA chipsets and have
problems using the Microsoft files.

It will overwrite the Microsoft files installed by NUSB in
C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\DRIVERS and C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\CABS without
prompting.

This package is intended for use with NUSB and the USP ONLY. It can be
downloaded from he

http://filepost.com/files/7e69334a/VIAUSB2.ZIP/

-------------------

The previous version (3.3) of NUSB contained two "Driver Stacks." One
driver stack is for USB Mass Storage Devices. The other was for USB 2.0
hardware (controllers/ports/hubs). Windows 98SE does not have a "Driver
Stack" for either of these types of hardware "out of the box."

USB Storage Drivers, USB2.0 Hardware Drivers, and the USB 1.1 Hardware
drivers that do come with 98SE are three separate entities. Each of
these does a different job.

The difference with NUSB 3.6 is that it also updates the USB 1.1
Hardware drivers to the Windows ME versions. The "USB Storage Drivers"
and the USB 2.0 Hardware Drivers are all the same as before.

Updating the USB 1.1 files allows for the use of more "USB Composite
Devices" on some machines and in certain configurations. USB composite
devices are ones that have more than one function but use a single USB
port. The most common USB composite devices are
printer/scanner/copier/FAX machines that also include a Type A USB port
and/or a memory card reader. NUSB should support memory cards and USB
Mass Storage devices connected through such multifunction devices or
MFD's.

USB keyboards that have built-in hubs and/or card-readers are also
composite devices. And they get even more "composite" when one connects
a USB mouse through such a hub. Win 98SE and ME support both USB mice
and keyboards natively, as "HID" devices, and cooperates nicely with
NUSB, so that those input devices (or Human Interface Devices) are also
supported, but that's not due to NUSB. NUSB 3.6 also expands the
compatibility with some types of HID devices

So NUSB 3.6 contains THREE "Driver Stacks," each independent and for
different hardware devices. Drivers for USB 1.1 and USB 2.0 ONLY
provide support for devices INSIDE your machine, not External devices.
The only External Devices supported are USB Mass Storage Devices.
  #7  
Old January 25th 17, 04:28 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
98 Guy[_5_]
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Default Problem with writing/updating to a 32 GB USB stick.

"R.Wieser" wrote:

plug the stick into the win-7 machine and see if you get any
messages like "the drive is messed up" or need to be repaired


Not an idea I will follow easily. I've got a small (2GB) stick here
which has _served me for years without a problem_, but a friends Win7
machine always wants to "repair" it. It does not think its in any
way necessary to tell us _what_ is wrong, so I always decline.


A few things can go screwy with drive volumes, descriptor tables, MBR,
etc.

One thing that gets messed up is the tally of free space.

It wouldn't hurt to format the drive once in a while. Thumb drives have
limited number of write-cycles (the flash ram cells can burn out).
Formatting might tell you that the drive has some "bad sectors".

Let win-7 fix it. Take a copy of all the important stuff on it first if
you must.
  #8  
Old January 25th 17, 09:44 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
R.Wieser
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Default Problem with writing/updating to a 32 GB USB stick.

98 Guy,

And remember, you need to wipe quite a bit of your existing USB
stuff out of your device manager before you install NUSB.


I read, but never understood that. Do you know any *reason* for that ? I
mean, if other USB drivers can be installed at the same time, why can't NUSB
also be ?

To be honest, I just took that as a "if you want our driver to service all
your USB devices, you need to remove the old ones". But than what is the
need to do that *before* NUSB, and not just delete a driver when you want,
and have NUSB detect the device the next time.

Drivers for USB 1.1 and USB 2.0 ONLY provide support for
devices INSIDE your machine, not External devices. The only
External Devices supported are USB Mass Storage Devices.


Huh ?? How would NUSB be able to tell if it would be talking to an
internal or external device (like an USB HUB)?

... I get the feeling you ment something a bit different than "internal" vs
"external", but am not sure how ...

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


-- Origional message:
98 Guy schreef in berichtnieuws ...
Lee wrote:

What I've discovered on 98 is that NUSB 3.6 is stuck in non-support
mode and for the most part can't even be found anymore for download.


Are you knocking 3.6 because it's "not supported" ?

And 3.3 IS supported?

One of the files installed by NUSB 3.6 is usbccgp.sys, which is the "USB
Common Class Generic Parent Driver" and comes from Win-XP SP3.

I posted the following here in 2014. Maybe it provides some answers or
new information.

I don't know if any of the links work. If anyone wants any of these
files - ask me.

And remember, you need to wipe quite a bit of your existing USB stuff
out of your device manager before you install NUSB. You might even
have to start your computer in safe mode when you go into device manager
- you typically see stuff in Device Manager when you're in safe mode
that you don't see when you've booted normally.

-------------------------

Maximus-Decim Native USB Driver (also known as NUSB).

Last version is 3.6.

Can be downloaded from he

http://www.tmeeco.eu/Fileden/nusb36e.exe

NUSB 3.6 supports only mass storage devices, but some composite devices
were added since version 3.3. No scanners or printers are supported.

The "native" in this name of this driver means that a
"generic/universal" driver is provided for Mass Storage Devices, as
opposed to original win-98SE which requires each USB Storage device to
have it's own manufacturer-provided driver.

To install NUSB 3.6, you should remove ALL entries for ALL USB connected
devices (including entries under "Universal Serial Bus controllers,"
"Disk drives," "Storage devices," and any others, including Printers in
your case) while running win-98 in Safe Mode. Order of their removal is
not important, just be sure you remove them all. Then reboot the
machine.

Unpon rebooting, Bypass/Cancel any driver installation requests, and
when the Desktop has loaded, check the Device Manager to see that none
of the USB devices have returned. If they have, remove them, then
install NUSB 3.6. You will be prompted to reboot for the new drivers to
be installed.

-----------------

If you have a VIA chipset (or otherwise have a USB controller made by
VIA) on your motherboard, then you might benefit from a driver install
package distributed as VIAUSB2.ZIP, which contains these files:

USBEHCI.SYS VIA EHCI Miniport Driver
USBHUB20.SYS VIA USB 2.0 HUB Driver
USBPORT.SYS VIA USB 2.0 Port Driver

This is a VIA USB 2.0 driver stack which replaces the Microsoft Windows
2000 USB 2.0 stack that is installed by Maximus-Decim NUSB and the
Unofficial Service Pack on systems that have VIA chipsets and have
problems using the Microsoft files.

It will overwrite the Microsoft files installed by NUSB in
C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\DRIVERS and C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\CABS without
prompting.

This package is intended for use with NUSB and the USP ONLY. It can be
downloaded from he

http://filepost.com/files/7e69334a/VIAUSB2.ZIP/

-------------------

The previous version (3.3) of NUSB contained two "Driver Stacks." One
driver stack is for USB Mass Storage Devices. The other was for USB 2.0
hardware (controllers/ports/hubs). Windows 98SE does not have a "Driver
Stack" for either of these types of hardware "out of the box."

USB Storage Drivers, USB2.0 Hardware Drivers, and the USB 1.1 Hardware
drivers that do come with 98SE are three separate entities. Each of
these does a different job.

The difference with NUSB 3.6 is that it also updates the USB 1.1
Hardware drivers to the Windows ME versions. The "USB Storage Drivers"
and the USB 2.0 Hardware Drivers are all the same as before.

Updating the USB 1.1 files allows for the use of more "USB Composite
Devices" on some machines and in certain configurations. USB composite
devices are ones that have more than one function but use a single USB
port. The most common USB composite devices are
printer/scanner/copier/FAX machines that also include a Type A USB port
and/or a memory card reader. NUSB should support memory cards and USB
Mass Storage devices connected through such multifunction devices or
MFD's.

USB keyboards that have built-in hubs and/or card-readers are also
composite devices. And they get even more "composite" when one connects
a USB mouse through such a hub. Win 98SE and ME support both USB mice
and keyboards natively, as "HID" devices, and cooperates nicely with
NUSB, so that those input devices (or Human Interface Devices) are also
supported, but that's not due to NUSB. NUSB 3.6 also expands the
compatibility with some types of HID devices

So NUSB 3.6 contains THREE "Driver Stacks," each independent and for
different hardware devices. Drivers for USB 1.1 and USB 2.0 ONLY
provide support for devices INSIDE your machine, not External devices.
The only External Devices supported are USB Mass Storage Devices.




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Old January 25th 17, 10:06 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
R.Wieser
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Default Problem with writing/updating to a 32 GB USB stick.

98 Guy,

A few things can go screwy with drive volumes, descriptor
tables, MBR, etc.


True. But those would cause rather obvious problems, like getting garbage
back when browsing the stick. And as that does not seem to happen ...

One thing that gets messed up is the tally of free space.


Agreed. But its also nothing that will cause a problem (and thus *most*
be repaired) if you leave it as it is (should get re-calculated / gets
messed-up the next time you add or delete something anyway).

Let win-7 fix it.


Nope. I have *no* idea what Win7 thinks "fixing" means, and it refuses to
inform me. For all I know it could muck-up the stick so bad that it won't
function properly anymore, or not properly under Win98se.

Hmmm... Now I think of it, after the last time the stick caused trouble on
my W98se machine I thought it better to reformat it (had to do a few
scandisks and repairs on the stick). And yes, I did that on the XP machine.
:-)

And by the way, this night I had my W98se machine copy a series of files to
the reformatted, empty stick, using USB 1.1 . It was able to copy over 3500
files and folders before the machine froze hard -- nice sight, a fully black
screen with only the mousepointer visible on it. (a quick shows a few
randomly-selected files to be alright).

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


-- Origional message:
98 Guy schreef in berichtnieuws ...
"R.Wieser" wrote:

plug the stick into the win-7 machine and see if you get any
messages like "the drive is messed up" or need to be repaired


Not an idea I will follow easily. I've got a small (2GB) stick here
which has _served me for years without a problem_, but a friends Win7
machine always wants to "repair" it. It does not think its in any
way necessary to tell us _what_ is wrong, so I always decline.


A few things can go screwy with drive volumes, descriptor tables, MBR,
etc.

One thing that gets messed up is the tally of free space.

It wouldn't hurt to format the drive once in a while. Thumb drives have
limited number of write-cycles (the flash ram cells can burn out).
Formatting might tell you that the drive has some "bad sectors".

Let win-7 fix it. Take a copy of all the important stuff on it first if
you must.



  #10  
Old January 25th 17, 10:39 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Default Problem with writing/updating to a 32 GB USB stick.

On Wed, 25 Jan 2017 09:44:11 +0100, "R.Wieser"
wrote:


I read, but never understood that. Do you know any *reason* for that ? I
mean, if other USB drivers can be installed at the same time, why can't NUSB
also be ?

To be honest, I just took that as a "if you want our driver to service all
your USB devices, you need to remove the old ones". But than what is the
need to do that *before* NUSB, and not just delete a driver when you want,
and have NUSB detect the device the next time.


This is the reason I have never tried NUSB. I have years of drivers
installed into Win98, and I am not about to screw up my whole system to
satisfy NUSB.

(Yea, I know I could clone 98 to a spare HDD and screw up the clone),
but it just seems like a lot of trouble for nothing. If NUSB did not
develop their software to be compatible with other drivers, then it's
poorly written crap, which I want no part of.


 




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