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Old January 20th 17, 04:49 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Dobbins etc
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Default trying to install Win 98 onto flash drive, but problems

I am trying to install Win98 onto a flash drive (in my case 8 GB flash)
as detailed he

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qd7cDbtwj4

I get as far as the "Microsoft ScanDisk" screen during installation of
'98 onto the flash drive, but then I keep getting hanging during the
"directory structure" scan. Any ideas would be welcome.

I should mention that I did encounter one issue during set up detailed
in the video: where it says to reformat the flash drive as FAT, I was
presented with only FAT32 and NTFS options. I went with FAT32 after at
least one person said they had success (and I wasn't sure how to
reformat to FAT if I didn't have the option presented).

Thank you
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Old January 20th 17, 05:54 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Default trying to install Win 98 onto flash drive, but problems

On Friday, January 20, 2017 at 8:49:58 AM UTC-7, Dobbins etc wrote:
I am trying to install Win98 onto a flash drive (in my case 8 GB flash)
as detailed he

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qd7cDbtwj4

I get as far as the "Microsoft ScanDisk" screen during installation of
'98 onto the flash drive, but then I keep getting hanging during the
"directory structure" scan. Any ideas would be welcome.

I should mention that I did encounter one issue during set up detailed
in the video: where it says to reformat the flash drive as FAT, I was
presented with only FAT32 and NTFS options. I went with FAT32 after at
least one person said they had success (and I wasn't sure how to
reformat to FAT if I didn't have the option presented).

Thank you


setup /c /it /p a;b (spaces after c, it & p)
forces 98 onto the only drive it can see which would be the only FAT or FAT32 partition on your NT machine usually. But this means you are installing 98 onto C:/. Are you? It sounds like the wrong command has 98 DOS trying to deal with NTFS partitions and it can't do that.

Other major issue is the amount of RAM you have installed, usually NT boxes have way too much for DOS to handle properly. The shown tip about changing the line in [386Enh] section actually is dangerous as it only appears to work, it can't possibly cope with 1 or 2 or 4 or more gigs of RAM.

SATA driver issues may also be a problem, along with dual core processor which 98 also doesn't do and many more issues that we don't have a clue about since we don't know what machine or with what hardware this is being done on.
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Old January 20th 17, 06:10 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Default trying to install Win 98 onto flash drive, but problems

On 01/20/2017 11:54 AM, Lee wrote:
On Friday, January 20, 2017 at 8:49:58 AM UTC-7, Dobbins etc wrote:
I am trying to install Win98 onto a flash drive (in my case 8 GB flash)
as detailed he

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qd7cDbtwj4

I get as far as the "Microsoft ScanDisk" screen during installation of
'98 onto the flash drive, but then I keep getting hanging during the
"directory structure" scan. Any ideas would be welcome.

I should mention that I did encounter one issue during set up detailed
in the video: where it says to reformat the flash drive as FAT, I was
presented with only FAT32 and NTFS options. I went with FAT32 after at
least one person said they had success (and I wasn't sure how to
reformat to FAT if I didn't have the option presented).

Thank you


setup /c /it /p a;b (spaces after c, it & p)
forces 98 onto the only drive it can see which would be the only FAT or FAT32 partition on your NT machine usually. But this means you are installing 98 onto C:/. Are you? It sounds like the wrong command has 98 DOS trying to deal with NTFS partitions and it can't do that.

Other major issue is the amount of RAM you have installed, usually NT boxes have way too much for DOS to handle properly. The shown tip about changing the line in [386Enh] section actually is dangerous as it only appears to work, it can't possibly cope with 1 or 2 or 4 or more gigs of RAM.

SATA driver issues may also be a problem, along with dual core processor which 98 also doesn't do and many more issues that we don't have a clue about since we don't know what machine or with what hardware this is being done on.


Thanks. This is an old Toshiba Satellite with IDE and 64 MB RAM. I'm
trying to install onto the flash drive using the setup command you have
above that was designated in the video as well. The flash was formatted
into FAT32 before starting the process. If I try to skip Scandisk by
also adding /is, it does so but then stalls at copying files for set up.
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Old January 20th 17, 06:57 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Dobbins etc
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Default trying to install Win 98 onto flash drive, but problems

On 01/20/2017 12:10 PM, Dobbins etc wrote:
On 01/20/2017 11:54 AM, Lee wrote:
On Friday, January 20, 2017 at 8:49:58 AM UTC-7, Dobbins etc wrote:
I am trying to install Win98 onto a flash drive (in my case 8 GB flash)
as detailed he

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qd7cDbtwj4

I get as far as the "Microsoft ScanDisk" screen during installation of
'98 onto the flash drive, but then I keep getting hanging during the
"directory structure" scan. Any ideas would be welcome.

I should mention that I did encounter one issue during set up detailed
in the video: where it says to reformat the flash drive as FAT, I was
presented with only FAT32 and NTFS options. I went with FAT32 after at
least one person said they had success (and I wasn't sure how to
reformat to FAT if I didn't have the option presented).

Thank you


setup /c /it /p a;b (spaces after c, it & p)
forces 98 onto the only drive it can see which would be the only FAT
or FAT32 partition on your NT machine usually. But this means you are
installing 98 onto C:/. Are you? It sounds like the wrong command
has 98 DOS trying to deal with NTFS partitions and it can't do that.

Other major issue is the amount of RAM you have installed, usually NT
boxes have way too much for DOS to handle properly. The shown tip
about changing the line in [386Enh] section actually is dangerous as
it only appears to work, it can't possibly cope with 1 or 2 or 4 or
more gigs of RAM.

SATA driver issues may also be a problem, along with dual core
processor which 98 also doesn't do and many more issues that we don't
have a clue about since we don't know what machine or with what
hardware this is being done on.


Thanks. This is an old Toshiba Satellite with IDE and 64 MB RAM. I'm
trying to install onto the flash drive using the setup command you have
above that was designated in the video as well. The flash was formatted
into FAT32 before starting the process. If I try to skip Scandisk by
also adding /is, it does so but then stalls at copying files for set up.


Just wanted to add that /is finally got me past the copying files for
set up and into the actual start of installation, but then a message
appeared that an invalid command was used which I assume was /is. I
suppose it won't let me install without doing Scandisk, so back to
square one.
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Old January 21st 17, 04:56 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
98 Guy[_5_]
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Default trying to install Win 98 onto flash drive, but problems

Dobbins etc wrote:

I am trying to install Win98 onto a flash drive (in my case 8 GB
flash) as detailed he

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qd7cDbtwj4


I didn't watch the whole video, but I don't see how Win-98 setup can
transition from 16-bit "DOS" mode to 32-bit protected mode operation to
complete the setup without having the USB drivers installed and working.

Just having a usb-connected thumb drive accessible to a computer booted
into DOS is not an easy thing to do.

I suggest you remove the hard drive of the target machine and slave it
to another working PC and (a) format the drive as Fat32 with the /s
switch so that the drive will boot into dos, and (b) copy the contents
of a win-98 CD to the drive in some sub-directory (call it "win98-cd")
and then place the drive back into the target machine and boot it. Once
it boots into DOS you change to the win98-cd directory and run the setup
from there. You can also copy all necessary drivers and even the
installation files of some (or all) of your intended application
programs to the target drive so it's all there and available when the
target system is up and running.

One last thing. Having a conversation and adding to a thread on Usenet
is not the same as doing the same over email.

The email convention, which I don't necessarily agree with but was
re-inforced or originated by Micro$haft, is to top-post your reply above
the conversation which is being dragged into it's entirety into the
reply.

The original Usenet convention was to strategically quote appropriate
passages of the message you're replying to and thus to add your new
material "in-line" into the reply. This makes for a cleaner flow and
less visual clutter and shorter messages that don't unnecessarily
include the previous post in it's entirety. So you will notice that I
only quoted what was necessary to respond to your original post and I'm
not needlessly repeating your entire post at the end of what I'm typing
here.
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Old January 21st 17, 03:05 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Dobbins etc
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Default trying to install Win 98 onto flash drive, but problems

On 01/20/2017 10:56 PM, 98 Guy wrote:



Just having a usb-connected thumb drive accessible to a computer booted
into DOS is not an easy thing to do.


I gave up on the idea because no matter what I did, I just couldn't get
'98 to install, so I ordered one of these:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hitachi-Trav...-/141792359037

Not being in a hurry, I'll of course have a much better chance of this
working out. They say "new", but whether it really is or not who knows
but the price seems right if I don't mind the wait (and I don't).


One last thing. Having a conversation and adding to a thread on Usenet
is not the same as doing the same over email.


Yes, I know.


...So you will notice that I
only quoted what was necessary to respond to your original post and I'm
not needlessly repeating your entire post at the end of what I'm typing
here.


Hopefully, that's better. Sorry, I was just being lazy and
inconsiderate. I probably won't post here again now, not because of
anything anyone has or hasn't done or said, but because I won't be
trying any more unsuccessful attempts to do what I was trying to do
originally. The old laptop already had Win Me on it, so that's what
I'll install again once the new HD arrives.

Thanks to you and others for trying to help,
Dobbins
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Old January 21st 17, 04:28 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
98 Guy[_5_]
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Default trying to install Win 98 onto flash drive, but problems

Dobbins etc wrote:

I gave up on the idea because no matter what I did, I just couldn't get
'98 to install, so I ordered one of these:

Hitachi-Travelstar-60-GB-IDE-Hard-Drive


Ah - you were trying to install win-98 on the thumb drive, not *from*
the thumb drive.

This is an old Toshiba Satellite with IDE and 64 MB RAM.


I was thinking you were trying to install win-98 from the thumb drive
onto the Toshiba's internal hard drive.

So my next question is - what OS is currently on the Toshiba's internal
hard drive?

Or does it even have a (working?) internal hard drive?

Wow - old stock 2.5" IDE hard drives are cheap. Cheaper than a thumb
drive of comparable size. I might order a few myself.
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Old January 21st 17, 05:00 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Default trying to install Win 98 onto flash drive, but problems

On 01/21/2017 10:28 AM, 98 Guy wrote:

Ah - you were trying to install win-98 on the thumb drive, not *from*
the thumb drive.


Correct.

This is an old Toshiba Satellite with IDE and 64 MB RAM.


I was thinking you were trying to install win-98 from the thumb drive
onto the Toshiba's internal hard drive.

So my next question is - what OS is currently on the Toshiba's internal
hard drive?



Right now, it has Win Me.


Or does it even have a (working?) internal hard drive?

Wow - old stock 2.5" IDE hard drives are cheap. Cheaper than a thumb
drive of comparable size. I might order a few myself.


That seemed like a good price, so I went for it. If it doesn't last,
then it's not a great loss.


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Old January 22nd 17, 02:12 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Default trying to install Win 98 onto flash drive, but problems

On Saturday, January 21, 2017 at 9:00:23 AM UTC-7, Dobbins etc wrote:
On 01/21/2017 10:28 AM, 98 Guy wrote:

Wow - old stock 2.5" IDE hard drives are cheap. Cheaper than a thumb
drive of comparable size. I might order a few myself.


That seemed like a good price, so I went for it. If it doesn't last,
then it's not a great loss.


Thanks for that link, I'm getting some too, too cheap to pass up.

Being that old then the main problem may in fact deal with the BIOS not presenting the USB stick properly. Installing the last BIOS update may help immensely with that issue. And it may come down to the choice of USB stick used as well. Some will do FAT16 and some won't - just two other areas that may have been the problem if further studies or efforts down that road are attempted. I may try this myself just for grins. Best of luck.
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Old January 22nd 17, 02:46 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Dobbins etc
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Default trying to install Win 98 onto flash drive, but problems

On 01/21/2017 08:12 PM, Lee wrote:

Thanks for that link, I'm getting some too, too cheap to pass up.


Well, I guess that will be a reason for me to stay in the group. See
how well or poorly the HD performs for all of those getting one.

Being that old then the main problem may in fact deal with the BIOS
not presenting the USB stick properly. Installing the last BIOS
update may help immensely with that issue.


I've been suspecting this all along. Unfortunately, the laptop itself
didn't support USB in the BIOS at all, even with the final BIOS update
back in 2007. Just to get initial Win 98 installation files to start, I
had to use a program called "plop" on a CD first to load in a USB
driver. I've thought quite possibly that the USB driver the program
loads isn't a very good one. There may be other programs that would
have installed a better driver, but I don't have time to investigate it.

And it may come down to
the choice of USB stick used as well. Some will do FAT16 and some
won't - just two other areas that may have been the problem if
further studies or efforts down that road are attempted. I may try
this myself just for grins. Best of luck.


I did try a couple of different sticks and one did seem to get further
along than the other. I was also hoping to find a much smaller stick in
my inventory other than the smallest 8 GB ones I had, something on the
order of 2 GB or so, but I couldn't find one.

I may try the process again on one of my much more modern laptops that
have no USB BIOS issues, or even try out the process by setting up a VM
on my XP desktop. Already have several VM's running on that one set up
through Virtualbox. All of this takes time though, something I'm
running out of, but may have time over the next week or so.

Dob
 




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