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Old March 4th 12, 02:25 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Lostgallifreyan
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Robert Macy wrote in news:8d3d5e14-8f47-4c65-9af5-
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sci.electronics.design
sci.electronics.repair
alt.home.repair

just all mixed together, but at least during the blank time 2/29 thru


That can't be good. s.e.d is busy...
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Old March 4th 12, 02:24 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
98 Guy
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MotoFox wrote:

It's your own fault for not using a better (more ergonomic) server
like AIOE instead of a stupid-ass server like maternal september.


If you really think AIOE is better than e-s, you're obviously more
of a stoner


And you're a complete ass-wipe.

I don't know why the users of Maternal September have such an axe to
grind with AIOE.

I happen to like the fact that I don't have to have a bull**** "account"
to read and post to a news server. You have the twisted idea that
somehow that's an advantage.

Probably the ONLY advantage (and thus, a major weakness) of AIOE
is it doesn't require credentials to access it.


It's no weakness. Because any boob can get a throw-away e-mail account
for Maternal September - so what's the point?

You're ****ed off because that's what the more intelligent
individuals use to access Usenet


You really are a complete ass-hole.

with and you can't figure how to get on it.


How would you know?

How do you know that I don't have or ever did have an "account" with
Maternal September?

You're proof that even a monkey can get a Maternal September account.

AIOE is for n00bz and spammerz,


No, google-groups is for "noobs" and spammers. That's a big mistake you
just made - an indication you don't really know the score.

Oh - and cut the cute TaLk - it's lame coming from you.

But then, you're the same one who seems to believe mixing and
matching drivers and hardware is a good idea


Wow - did that ever come from left field. Is that the worst put-down
you have?

I don't even know what you're talking about with that one. When exactly
did I talk about "mixing" drivers here?

and that any distribution of Window$ is somehow safe to use
for Internet access...


Not for you jack-ass. You're obviously too much of a moron to be able
to use Windows to connect securely to the internet. Most other people
can.
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Old March 4th 12, 02:33 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
98 Guy
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Robert Macy wrote:

Why don't you simply use a server that doesn't require login
authentication - like news.aioe.org?


No log on for me, they just keep sending them the second I get
on line with auto updates every 5 minutes.


I have no idea what that means.

That's one of the problems, if you don't keep up you drown


Again, I don't know what you're talking about.

What are you using to read news when you connect to ES?

Opera?

I thought you recommended to try e-s


I never recommend ES. I only recommend aioe (nntp.aioe.org)

Look.

Do yourself a favor and download a dedicated usenet client. A Mozilla
or Netscape-based e-mail client. But don't use it for e-mail - just
usenet.

I use stupid 10-year-old software (Netscape Communicator 4.79) and it's
a very efficient way to read and post to usenet.
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Old March 4th 12, 02:39 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
98 Guy
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Robert Macy wrote:

i subscribed to a few groups, then postings come down all the
timeautomatically, and they're all mixed together
chronologically coming in.
sci.electronics.design
sci.electronics.repair
alt.home.repair


Picture a giant list of postings all interspersed. that's what I
get now.


Stop using Opera.

It's not a real usenet client (or at least it's not a good one).

Use an email client. Like I said in my previous posts, most e-mail
clients can also handle usenet. But don't use anything from microsoft
(like OE or Outlook).

This might help:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Usenet_newsreaders

I use Netscape Communicator 4.79 for reading news. It can be downloaded
from he

http://downloads.5star-network.com/I...t/cc32d478.exe

Here's what the user-interface looks like:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/.../navigator.gif

Very fast and efficient and organized way to read and post to usenet.

A huge advantage of using a usenet client running on your own computer
is that a copy of every post you make is stored locally on your own
system - exactly the same way that copies of e-mail you send are stored
locally in a "sent" folder. When you want to search for something you
posted in the past, it's much faster to search your own local sent
folder than to use Google's incredibly broken usenet search interface.
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Old March 4th 12, 04:26 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
J. P. Gilliver (John)
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In message
,
Robert Macy writes:

[my post snipped; it does make things easier if you interpost, i. e.
place your replies below the bits they are replying to. I don't know if
goggle groping makes doing that difficult, though.]

i subscribed to a few groups, then postings come down all the


So you _were_ using a news client of some sort.

(I see from later in your post that it's Opera, though you didn't
actually mention that fact except in passing.)

timeautomatically, and they're all mixed together
chronologically coming in.
sci.electronics.design
sci.electronics.repair
alt.home.repair


Do you mean the posts from all the 'groups are mixed up, or only within
each 'group (i. e. can you see the 'groups separately)? If the latter,
then most news clients have an option somewhere to see news either
chronologically or as threads. I don't know if Opera has, or if it has,
where to find it (I didn't know Opera did news, I only know of it as a
browser, one I've not tried for many years). Perhaps another Opera user
can say.
[]
can't reply -- supposedly Opera has the ability to present some
information to eternal-september to allow me to post a reply back to
the group. However, after composing the reply and sending, some error
message comes up, I suspect there' is some IP address or setting of
some kind that's not right. the 'error msg' is the kick back.


Ah, so it may well be Opera, rather than e-s, that's kicking. As you
say, it's likely to be a setting - you have to enter your username and
password (which will have been in your initial email from e-s)
somewhere. The fact that you're seeing 'groups other than e-s's own
limited set suggests you have entered them somewhere; there's probably
another setting ("use authentication" or something like that perhaps)
that needs changing.

since I was using google group access, which is easy to scan/reply/
initiate I never looked into what was wrong with the Opera/eternal-
september link.


It would be worth it, honestly; at least, it would be worth setting up a
news client with e-s, whether Opera is a good or bad one I don't know.
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Old March 4th 12, 04:35 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
J. P. Gilliver (John)
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In message , 98 Guy writes:
[]
Stop using Opera.

It's not a real usenet client (or at least it's not a good one).

Use an email client. Like I said in my previous posts, most e-mail
clients can also handle usenet. But don't use anything from microsoft
(like OE or Outlook).


OE isn't at all bad, certainly in comparison with groping. I had to use
it at work, and got on all right with it. (I did add OE-quotefix,
granted.) I wouldn't try to use OE on 7 - not sure if it works, but as
it isn't provided, you'd have to get it anyway, and if getting, I'd get
something else (probably Thunderbird). Outlook actually uses OE for news
anyway.

Do you actually have experience of using Opera for news?

This might help:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Usenet_newsreaders

I use Netscape Communicator 4.79 for reading news. It can be downloaded
from he

http://downloads.5star-network.com/I...t/cc32d478.exe


I used to, _many_ years ago (at least, I did for mail; can't remember if
I did for news), and I agree, it's fair.

Here's what the user-interface looks like:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/.../navigator.gif


Note the button to toggle threaded view on and off; look for something
similar in your Opera. (It might be a setting - possibly per newsgroup -
rather than a button.)
[]
A huge advantage of using a usenet client running on your own computer
is that a copy of every post you make is stored locally on your own
system - exactly the same way that copies of e-mail you send are stored
locally in a "sent" folder. When you want to search for something you


Not necessarily for either email or news. In most clients, the option to
save local copies can be turned off; I don't know if some are off by
default, or even if all offer the facility.

posted in the past, it's much faster to search your own local sent
folder than to use Google's incredibly broken usenet search interface.


That's certainly true (about it being faster).
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Old March 4th 12, 05:33 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
98 Guy
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:

Do you actually have experience of using Opera for news?


No.

I rarely use the Opera that I have (currently version 11.61) to browse
certain websites.

I've used Netscape Communicator 4.78 or 4.79 exclusively for news when I
started to read/post to usenet ever since using windows (win-95 and then
win-98).

I don't remember if I was reading/posting to usenet while running
windows 3.x.

Prior to that, I read and posted to usenet through several Silicon
Graphics work stations and through DOS via dial-up to a unix server
(using tin or trn - something like that). This would have been 1987 -
1992 time-frame.

Here's what the user-interface looks like:


Note the button to toggle threaded view on and off; look for
something similar in your Opera.


Robert's issue is that Opera seems to be lumping in posts from different
groups into the same display window. Even if he can toggle on or off
the thread-view, it's still crazy (and not obviously fixable) how to get
opera to separate the posts from different groups.

And something else that he indicates that Opera is doing - it's grabbing
posts from the subscribed groups by itself, on some sort of schedule.
Sort of like auto-checking for new mail. That has got to be frustrating
when it's dumping all those posts into the same folder.

Robert is sort of thinking that this auto-retrieve activity is a
function of the news server he's using. It's not. NNTP servers don't
"push" new posts to users.

A huge advantage of using a usenet client running on your own
computer is that a copy of every post you make is stored

locally on your own system -

Not necessarily for either email or news. In most clients, the
option to save local copies can be turned off;


I wasn't saying that it was necessary to be able to save a local copy of
your own posts (or e-mails) - but now that you mention it I have to ask
why you wouldn't.

I made that point to show what can be done when you read and post to
usenet using a dedicated client vs using google-groups.
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Old March 4th 12, 05:55 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
J. P. Gilliver (John)
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In message , 98 Guy writes:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:

[]
Note the button to toggle threaded view on and off; look for
something similar in your Opera.


Robert's issue is that Opera seems to be lumping in posts from different
groups into the same display window. Even if he can toggle on or off


Ah, it wasn't clear to me from his post whether it was mingling 'groups,
or just threads within each 'group. If 'groups, then I'd agree, that's
hardly worth being called a news client.
[]
And something else that he indicates that Opera is doing - it's grabbing
posts from the subscribed groups by itself, on some sort of schedule.
Sort of like auto-checking for new mail. That has got to be frustrating
when it's dumping all those posts into the same folder.


Agreed, if they're all going into the same folder/window/whatever. It
does need to fetch, though, on some sort of schedule ...

Robert is sort of thinking that this auto-retrieve activity is a
function of the news server he's using. It's not. NNTP servers don't
"push" new posts to users.


.... as you say, servers don't push, so if the client didn't fetch, you'd
never see new posts.

A huge advantage of using a usenet client running on your own
computer is that a copy of every post you make is stored

locally on your own system -

Not necessarily for either email or news. In most clients, the
option to save local copies can be turned off;


I wasn't saying that it was necessary to be able to save a local copy of


I said "not necessarily", rather than "not necessary".

your own posts (or e-mails) - but now that you mention it I have to ask
why you wouldn't.


These days, I suppose there's little reason not to. Though my original
reason - saving space - might conceivably be valid to some, considering
what 'group we're in.

I made that point to show what can be done when you read and post to
usenet using a dedicated client vs using google-groups.


Yes, good example.

Also, I earlier recommended Thunderbird - I'd forgotten what 'group I'm
in, and am not sure if I'd recommend it for '98. (Not that I know
there's anything wrong with any version of TB that runs under '98, just
I genuinely don't know.)
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