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Can't boot into Safe Mode
Hi again Guys!
Since my last post I've upgraded my mobo to an MSI and have 2x1 GB RAM modules installed. I quickly learned that Win98 grunts at anything over 1GB and ideally likes 512MB. However making an adjustment to the System.ini file as per MS KB article there's no problem with booting normally. However, if I wanted/had to boot into Safe Mode, then of course the startup files, presumably including the system.ini, are by-passed resulting in "not enough memory to initialize windows". Is there a work-around to this or have I lost this important bit of functionality? The only other alternative as I see it if something goes wrong is to then rely on Scanreg /restore. Cheers, Sandy. |
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Hi letterman!
Your last comment did make me laugh! One of the reasons why I changed the motherboard was because my existing system got just so bogged down it literally ground almost to a standstill. It was an old Socket 7 with just 128MB of RAM. I found it just couldn't cope with modern day demands 'though the old OS seemed to accept everything I threw at it (hence no upgrade to XP or Vista). So I wasn't going to mess about and probably went to overkill with the RAM, it wasn't terribly expensive and appropriate for the mobo and future proofing a later OS system as & when it becomes necessary. I didn't realize at the time that 98se doesn't like that amount of RAM according to MS, but after making the necessary adjustment to the [386ENH] section of system.ini and I have no problems with it (as yet!). Wanted to go into Safe Mode to configure some drivers I was reloading (looking for 'ghosts') and found the issue described above. What do you reckon? Sandy. " wrote: On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:45:02 -0700, Sandy wrote: Hi again Guys! Since my last post I've upgraded my mobo to an MSI and have 2x1 GB RAM modules installed. I quickly learned that Win98 grunts at anything over 1GB and ideally likes 512MB. However making an adjustment to the System.ini file as per MS KB article there's no problem with booting normally. However, if I wanted/had to boot into Safe Mode, then of course the startup files, presumably including the system.ini, are by-passed resulting in "not enough memory to initialize windows". Is there a work-around to this or have I lost this important bit of functionality? The only other alternative as I see it if something goes wrong is to then rely on Scanreg /restore. Cheers, Sandy. Just curious why you need that much ram for Win98? I got 384 megs and thats plenty. Now if you were running Vista, you'd probably need to add 10 more gigs to satisfy their bloatware. |
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Can't boot into Safe Mode
Have you tried booting into Safe Mode, or are you just speculating?
-- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Sandy" wrote in message ... Hi again Guys! Since my last post I've upgraded my mobo to an MSI and have 2x1 GB RAM modules installed. I quickly learned that Win98 grunts at anything over 1GB and ideally likes 512MB. However making an adjustment to the System.ini file as per MS KB article there's no problem with booting normally. However, if I wanted/had to boot into Safe Mode, then of course the startup files, presumably including the system.ini, are by-passed resulting in "not enough memory to initialize windows". Is there a work-around to this or have I lost this important bit of functionality? The only other alternative as I see it if something goes wrong is to then rely on Scanreg /restore. Cheers, Sandy. |
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Sandy wrote: Hi letterman! Your last comment did make me laugh! One of the reasons why I changed the motherboard was because my existing system got just so bogged down it literally ground almost to a standstill. It was an old Socket 7 with just 128MB of RAM. I found it just couldn't cope with modern day demands 'though the old OS seemed to accept everything I threw at it (hence no upgrade to XP or Vista). So I wasn't going to mess about and probably went to overkill with the RAM, it wasn't terribly expensive and appropriate for the mobo and future proofing a later OS system as & when it becomes necessary. I didn't realize at the time that 98se doesn't like that amount of RAM according to MS, but after making the necessary adjustment to the [386ENH] section of system.ini and I have no problems with it (as yet!). Wanted to go into Safe Mode to configure some drivers I was reloading (looking for 'ghosts') and found the issue described above. What do you reckon? Sandy. I reckon that if you are just using Win98se and not any other OS on your PC, you should remove one of the 1 GB sticks, set the value MaxFileCache=512000 under 386Enh and be done with it. |
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Hi again Gary, Letterman & Buffalo!
No speculation, it's a fact! Thanks to the other guys... I'll try taking out a module to see if that's enough. I would have done that first if there was no other way but was reluctant to do so since they're hellish difficult to get back in on an MSI. Sandy. "Gary S. Terhune" wrote: Have you tried booting into Safe Mode, or are you just speculating? -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Sandy" wrote in message ... Hi again Guys! Since my last post I've upgraded my mobo to an MSI and have 2x1 GB RAM modules installed. I quickly learned that Win98 grunts at anything over 1GB and ideally likes 512MB. However making an adjustment to the System.ini file as per MS KB article there's no problem with booting normally. However, if I wanted/had to boot into Safe Mode, then of course the startup files, presumably including the system.ini, are by-passed resulting in "not enough memory to initialize windows". Is there a work-around to this or have I lost this important bit of functionality? The only other alternative as I see it if something goes wrong is to then rely on Scanreg /restore. Cheers, Sandy. |
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Buffalo wrote: I reckon that if you are just using Win98se and not any other OS on your PC, you should remove one of the 1 GB sticks, set the value MaxFileCache=512000 under 386Enh and be done with it. ERROR. I meant to say put the value MaxFileCache=51200 under the [vcache] header in System.ini, and NOT under the [386Enh] header. When you use the above setting, it still lets Win98SE use all of the 1GB of physical ram for programs, it just limits the amt of memory that 98 can use for 'addressing' or something like that. BTW, what value did you add to the System.ini file under the [386Enh] header? Was it a MaxPhysPage=? setting? If so, you can remove that line when you remove the 1GB ram stick. A MaxPhysPage setting of 60000 limits the amt of physical ram that Win98SE can access to 1.5GB (some 98 systems will work with that much, but not many) while a setting of 40000 limits the amt of physical ram to 1GB. If you set that value to below 40000, then you are limiting Win98SE to use even less than 1GB of physical memory. |
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Sandy wrote: Hi again Gary, Letterman & Buffalo! No speculation, it's a fact! Thanks to the other guys... I'll try taking out a module to see if that's enough. I would have done that first if there was no other way but was reluctant to do so since they're hellish difficult to get back in on an MSI. Sandy. Buffalo wrote: I reckon that if you are just using Win98se and not any other OS on your PC, you should remove one of the 1 GB sticks, set the value MaxFileCache=512000 under 386Enh and be done with it. ERROR. I meant to say put the value MaxFileCache=51200 under the [vcache] header in System.ini, and NOT under the [386Enh] header. When you use the above setting, it still lets Win98SE use all of the 1GB of physical ram for programs, it just limits the amt of memory that 98 can use for 'addressing' or something like that. BTW, what value did you add to the System.ini file under the [386Enh] header? Was it a MaxPhysPage=? setting? If so, you can remove that line when you remove the 1GB ram stick. A MaxPhysPage setting of 60000 limits the amt of physical ram that Win98SE can access to 1.5GB (some 98 systems will work with that much, but not many) while a setting of 40000 limits the amt of physical ram to 1GB. If you set that value to below 40000, then you are limiting Win98SE to use even less than 1GB of physical memory. "Gary S. Terhune" wrote: Have you tried booting into Safe Mode, or are you just speculating? -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Sandy" wrote in message ... Hi again Guys! Since my last post I've upgraded my mobo to an MSI and have 2x1 GB RAM modules installed. I quickly learned that Win98 grunts at anything over 1GB and ideally likes 512MB. However making an adjustment to the System.ini file as per MS KB article there's no problem with booting normally. However, if I wanted/had to boot into Safe Mode, then of course the startup files, presumably including the system.ini, are by-passed resulting in "not enough memory to initialize windows". Is there a work-around to this or have I lost this important bit of functionality? The only other alternative as I see it if something goes wrong is to then rely on Scanreg /restore. Cheers, Sandy. |
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Noted!
Yes I used the "MaxPhysPage=40000" entry as per the MS KB article. I'll let you all know how I get on by & by... I'm away for a week so watch this space when I come back! All the best, Sandy "Buffalo" wrote: Sandy wrote: Hi again Gary, Letterman & Buffalo! No speculation, it's a fact! Thanks to the other guys... I'll try taking out a module to see if that's enough. I would have done that first if there was no other way but was reluctant to do so since they're hellish difficult to get back in on an MSI. Sandy. Buffalo wrote: I reckon that if you are just using Win98se and not any other OS on your PC, you should remove one of the 1 GB sticks, set the value MaxFileCache=512000 under 386Enh and be done with it. ERROR. I meant to say put the value MaxFileCache=51200 under the [vcache] header in System.ini, and NOT under the [386Enh] header. When you use the above setting, it still lets Win98SE use all of the 1GB of physical ram for programs, it just limits the amt of memory that 98 can use for 'addressing' or something like that. BTW, what value did you add to the System.ini file under the [386Enh] header? Was it a MaxPhysPage=? setting? If so, you can remove that line when you remove the 1GB ram stick. A MaxPhysPage setting of 60000 limits the amt of physical ram that Win98SE can access to 1.5GB (some 98 systems will work with that much, but not many) while a setting of 40000 limits the amt of physical ram to 1GB. If you set that value to below 40000, then you are limiting Win98SE to use even less than 1GB of physical memory. "Gary S. Terhune" wrote: Have you tried booting into Safe Mode, or are you just speculating? -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Sandy" wrote in message ... Hi again Guys! Since my last post I've upgraded my mobo to an MSI and have 2x1 GB RAM modules installed. I quickly learned that Win98 grunts at anything over 1GB and ideally likes 512MB. However making an adjustment to the System.ini file as per MS KB article there's no problem with booting normally. However, if I wanted/had to boot into Safe Mode, then of course the startup files, presumably including the system.ini, are by-passed resulting in "not enough memory to initialize windows". Is there a work-around to this or have I lost this important bit of functionality? The only other alternative as I see it if something goes wrong is to then rely on Scanreg /restore. Cheers, Sandy. |
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Sandy wrote: Noted! Yes I used the "MaxPhysPage=40000" entry as per the MS KB article. I'll let you all know how I get on by & by... I'm away for a week so watch this space when I come back! All the best, Sandy Be sure you put the value MaxFileCache=512000 under the [vcache] header in System.ini regardless of the way you limit your physical ram ( ie: removing 1 stick or ram or using the MaxPhyspage= setting). |
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