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It's time to Quit using Win98
In microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion R.Wieser wrote:
I generally use www.keepvid.com, Lol: That site only runs when you have JS enabled. Worse, it also expects you to install Java. I also see that the JS tries to use an ActiveX component (XMLHttpRequest). All-in-all, exactly the kind of site I don't want to see. :-\ To quote myself: Anyhow, you can click a link at the bottom of the pages to enable a HTML version that doesn't use Java, though you need cookies enabled to do so. But yes, you do need to enable Javascript. At one point there was a site listed by deturl.com that I believe didn't use scripts. I think it went down pretty soon after I discovered it though, perhaps worth a look. As I believe the YouTube download URLs are generated on request, these URL fetchers are probably far easier to design using scripting. There is free software to download the videos too. But from what I've seen, it looks less trustworthy than the website scripts. -- __ __ #_ |\| | _# |
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Hey Kev,
To quote myself: Anyhow, you can click a link at the bottom of the pages to enable a HTML version that doesn't use Java, Ah, I must have missed that in your message. But if it was once there, it isn't anymore. :-\ As I believe the YouTube download URLs are generated on request, these URL fetchers are probably far easier to design using scripting. Hmmm... So all the site does is to provide you a script which than allows your browser to get the actual movie directly from YouTube (no further need of that keepvid site) ? Maybe I should try to figure out how they are doing it and recreate the method for myself. :-) Either that, or the dynamic generation of the URL could be done with some PHP on the keepvid site (as they need to do some transcoding on the movie ?), doing away with the need for the remaining JS. Regards, Rudy Wieser -- Origional message: Computer Nerd Kev schreef in berichtnieuws ... In microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion R.Wieser wrote: I generally use www.keepvid.com, Lol: That site only runs when you have JS enabled. Worse, it also expects you to install Java. I also see that the JS tries to use an ActiveX component (XMLHttpRequest). All-in-all, exactly the kind of site I don't want to see. :-\ To quote myself: Anyhow, you can click a link at the bottom of the pages to enable a HTML version that doesn't use Java, though you need cookies enabled to do so. But yes, you do need to enable Javascript. At one point there was a site listed by deturl.com that I believe didn't use scripts. I think it went down pretty soon after I discovered it though, perhaps worth a look. As I believe the YouTube download URLs are generated on request, these URL fetchers are probably far easier to design using scripting. There is free software to download the videos too. But from what I've seen, it looks less trustworthy than the website scripts. -- __ __ #_ |\| | _# |
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It's time to Quit using Win98
"R.Wieser" wrote:
Maybe I should try to figure out how they are doing it and recreate the method for myself. :-) As we're talking Win98: Set the write protect bit on the cached file and it won't be deleted when you leave the site and van be renamed to *.flv. In eXPeriomental they don't let you do that (which is why I never will downgrade, I am the arbiter on my own computer). But what you can do when the video is fully loaded is hit the hard reset button (yes, all my cases and boards still have one). After reboot the file is all yours. In those cases where the file isn't cached (so you can't come back and view it without all those stops and starts, *******s!) or the browser hides the cache so well, I could not yet find it (newer Opera) you're stuck. Axel |
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It's time to Quit using Win98
In microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion R.Wieser wrote:
Hey Kev, To quote myself: Anyhow, you can click a link at the bottom of the pages to enable a HTML version that doesn't use Java, Ah, I must have missed that in your message. But if it was once there, it isn't anymore. :-\ It's still there, but it uses Javascript (they're determined). As I believe the YouTube download URLs are generated on request, these URL fetchers are probably far easier to design using scripting. Hmmm... So all the site does is to provide you a script which than allows your browser to get the actual movie directly from YouTube (no further need of that keepvid site) ? Maybe I should try to figure out how they are doing it and recreate the method for myself. :-) There's probably some some good tecnical information hidden behind the wall of adware Youtube downloaders that pop up with any Google search on the topic, you just need to find it. There might even be a simple pre-made script. A couple of years ago I worked out a fairly simple method for downlaoding videos embedded in pages on the BBC website. They use RTMP video streams that can be decoded with a program called RTMPdump. I used a grogram called (I think) IPsniffer to follow the trail of identifier URLs and used that to work out how to grab them without playing the video, then just plugged them in (with some tweaking) to RTMPdump. Youtube doesen't use RTMP, but a similar method might be usable. Either that, or the dynamic generation of the URL could be done with some PHP on the keepvid site (as they need to do some transcoding on the movie ?), doing away with the need for the remaining JS. They have an MP3 download option that processes on demand and takes quite some time (much longer than simply downloading it yourself and converting it locally by the way, I'm not doing that again!). Considering that, I doubt any of the video formats are converted by them (plus I think all the download links are to the YouTube servers). -- __ __ #_ |\| | _# |
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It's time to Quit using Win98
In microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion Axel Berger wrote:
"R.Wieser" wrote: Maybe I should try to figure out how they are doing it and recreate the method for myself. :-) As we're talking Win98: Set the write protect bit on the cached file and it won't be deleted when you leave the site and van be renamed to *.flv. Thing is, that needs Flash installed and the will to use it. It's probably harder to choose format and file size as well. By the way, I know of (but have never used) FireFox plugins to effectively add that function to the GUI as well. In eXPeriomental they don't let you do that (which is why I never will downgrade, I am the arbiter on my own computer). But what you can do when the video is fully loaded is hit the hard reset button (yes, all my cases and boards still have one). After reboot the file is all yours. Ouch, well I guess if you're desperate. Also, I really have been living under a rock in the computer world these last few years - I didn't know they've stopped putting the reset button on. Wierd... -- __ __ #_ |\| | _# |
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It's time to Quit using Win98
In message , Computer Nerd Kev
writes: In microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion Axel Berger wrote: [] In eXPeriomental they don't let you do that (which is why I never will downgrade, I am the arbiter on my own computer). But what you can do when the video is fully loaded is hit the hard reset button (yes, all my cases and boards still have one). After reboot the file is all yours. Ouch, well I guess if you're desperate. Also, I really have been living under a rock in the computer world these last few years - I didn't know they've stopped putting the reset button on. Wierd... In all cases I've encountered, though, holding in the power button causes a hard shutdown - or of course you could cut the power. FWIW, the DownloadHelper extra for Firefox brings up a list of links to various qualities of the video currently being watched (sometimes a list of only one, usually - especially for YouTube - several), and I don't think these use on-the-fly conversion, I think they all come from the YouTube (if it's YouTube you're looking at) server, since selecting one seems to trigger an immediate download start. (If you pick the one corresponding to the quality you're currently watching, the download can appear instant.) I'm not sure which versions of Firefox DownloadHelper works with, though - possibly not as far back as 2. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf All humanity is divided into three classes: those who are immovable, those who are movable, and those who move! - Benjamin Franklin |
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