No sounds in Windows 98 on virtual machine

On 11/18/2009 11:40 PM, Larry wrote:
1. Which particular VM you are using; is it Microsoft's, VMWare [which I
think you discussed in prior posts], other...?
2. What the base/host OS update level is?
3. What sound card is presently installed [manufacturer and model]?
4. Have you installed any drivers into the VM for sound support?
5. Are you expecting to use the VM for games [DirectX potential issues]?

Ok. I'm using VMware.

http://www.vmware.com/support/gsx3/d...ndcfg_gsx.html

This produces 14 returns:
http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/mic...searchEntry.do
with * sound driver * as the search term.
and 10 with * enable sound *.

Access to Misconfigured Virtual Devices
http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/mic...200%2049137479

{watch out for wrap in the above}

Trying * configure workstation * produces 70 results.
Trying * configure workstation sound * produces 4.

Results appear to indicate VMWare Tools and configuration settings as
the potential issue.


The host system is XP with SP3.

I'm not sure what the audio card is. In Device Manager, under Sound, video
and game controllers, the relevant-looking items a

Audio Codecs,
Conexant High Definition Smart Audio 221
Intel(R) High Definition Audio HDMI Service
Legacy Audio Drivers

Looks like it may be a HP or Compaq?
You can potentially find the proper drivers there or by searching for
the specific. It would be easier if you knew for certain what the
card/adapter was, though you should not need to if you have
configured/enabled sound in VM and the host has no sound problems..


I have not installed any drivers in the VM machine

I am not expecting to use it for games.

Thanks.


Should you need it:
http://www.google.com/search?&q=Win9...21&btnG=Search

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In message , Larry
writes:


In Device Manager, the only thing that looks like Audio is under "other
devices." It's PCI Multimedia Audio Device, with a yellow question mark next
to it.

Which makes it seem that there is no actual device there, just a place
holder.

In any case, I'll remove it and restart W98 and see what happens.

Ok, it's restarting and saying it's looking for new drivers for PCI
Multimedia Audio Device. But I've been here before. I didn't know what to
look for then, and don't now. It offers me various options including

Try "Creative Labs Sound Blaster 16 ISA Plug and Play" - That's what
Bill Blanton says the VPC VM "thinks" it has. (I think drivers for that
are included in '98.)

registering at Microsot Windows Update. but since MS stopped supporting W98
in the Pleistocene, I don't think that's going to help. So I canceled out of
the Driver wizard, W98 started up, I go to Sounds, and the arrow to play
Sound events is still grayed out.
[]
It would, if it thought no driver for a sound device had been loaded.
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In message , Larry
writes:


In Device Manager, the only thing that looks like Audio is under "other
devices." It's PCI Multimedia Audio Device, with a yellow question mark next
to it.

Which makes it seem that there is no actual device there, just a place
holder.

In any case, I'll remove it and restart W98 and see what happens.

Ok, it's restarting and saying it's looking for new drivers for PCI
Multimedia Audio Device. But I've been here before. I didn't know what to
look for then, and don't now. It offers me various options including

Try "Creative Labs Sound Blaster 16 ISA Plug and Play" - That's what
Bill Blanton says the VPC VM "thinks" it has. (I think drivers for that
are included in '98.)

registering at Microsot Windows Update. but since MS stopped supporting W98
in the Pleistocene, I don't think that's going to help. So I canceled out of
the Driver wizard, W98 started up, I go to Sounds, and the arrow to play
Sound events is still grayed out.
[]
It would, if it thought no driver for a sound device had been loaded.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

"Bother," said the Borg, "we assimilated a Pooh."

"Larry" wrote in message

In Device Manager, the only thing that looks like Audio is under "other
devices." It's PCI Multimedia Audio Device, with a yellow question mark
next to it.

Which makes it seem that there is no actual device there, just a place
holder.

In any case, I'll remove it and restart W98 and see what happens.

Ok, it's restarting and saying it's looking for new drivers for PCI
Multimedia Audio Device. But I've been here before. I didn't know what to
look for then, and don't now. It offers me various options including
registering at Microsot Windows Update. but since MS stopped supporting
W98 in the Pleistocene, I don't think that's going to help. So I canceled
out of the Driver wizard, W98 started up, I go to Sounds, and the arrow
to play Sound events is still grayed out.





"Bill Blanton" wrote in message
...
"Larry" larry328NOSPAM#att.net wrote in message
...

In any case this doesn't answer the question of what driver is needed
to
get sounds working in the VM version of W98.

It depends on what virtual sound card the virtual machine is using. If
VPC, you have a Creative Labs Sound Blaster 16 ISA Plug and Play card.
If VMWare or other, check the docs or help. Search on "sound card" or
"emulated".

Without that info, it's hard to say. Have you tried removing the device
in virtual 98's device manager and letting it redetect on reboot?

MEB has supplied you with VMWare audio links. As an FYI concerning MS VPC, in
order for devices to work the VPC Additions must be installed.

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Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://members.shaw.ca/dts-l/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

"Larry" wrote in message

In Device Manager, the only thing that looks like Audio is under "other
devices." It's PCI Multimedia Audio Device, with a yellow question mark
next to it.

Which makes it seem that there is no actual device there, just a place
holder.

In any case, I'll remove it and restart W98 and see what happens.

Ok, it's restarting and saying it's looking for new drivers for PCI
Multimedia Audio Device. But I've been here before. I didn't know what to
look for then, and don't now. It offers me various options including
registering at Microsot Windows Update. but since MS stopped supporting
W98 in the Pleistocene, I don't think that's going to help. So I canceled
out of the Driver wizard, W98 started up, I go to Sounds, and the arrow
to play Sound events is still grayed out.





"Bill Blanton" wrote in message
...
"Larry" larry328NOSPAM#att.net wrote in message
...

In any case this doesn't answer the question of what driver is needed
to
get sounds working in the VM version of W98.

It depends on what virtual sound card the virtual machine is using. If
VPC, you have a Creative Labs Sound Blaster 16 ISA Plug and Play card.
If VMWare or other, check the docs or help. Search on "sound card" or
"emulated".

Without that info, it's hard to say. Have you tried removing the device
in virtual 98's device manager and letting it redetect on reboot?

MEB has supplied you with VMWare audio links. As an FYI concerning MS VPC, in
order for devices to work the VPC Additions must be installed.

--

Brian A. Sesko
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://members.shaw.ca/dts-l/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message ...
In message , Larry writes:


In Device Manager, the only thing that looks like Audio is under "other
devices." It's PCI Multimedia Audio Device, with a yellow question mark next
to it.

Which makes it seem that there is no actual device there, just a place
holder.

In any case, I'll remove it and restart W98 and see what happens.

Ok, it's restarting and saying it's looking for new drivers for PCI
Multimedia Audio Device. But I've been here before. I didn't know what to
look for then, and don't now. It offers me various options including

Try "Creative Labs Sound Blaster 16 ISA Plug and Play" - That's what Bill Blanton says the VPC VM "thinks" it has. (I think
drivers for that are included in '98.)


He said elsewhere it was a VMWare machine. There's a possibility that
SB drivers are compatible, but I would look for the drivers that are
specific to that particular virtual sound card.

There's also a way to disable the virtual sound card in VPC. VMWare could
have that capability. (though I would expect that not to be the default setting).

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message ...
In message , Larry writes:


In Device Manager, the only thing that looks like Audio is under "other
devices." It's PCI Multimedia Audio Device, with a yellow question mark next
to it.

Which makes it seem that there is no actual device there, just a place
holder.

In any case, I'll remove it and restart W98 and see what happens.

Ok, it's restarting and saying it's looking for new drivers for PCI
Multimedia Audio Device. But I've been here before. I didn't know what to
look for then, and don't now. It offers me various options including

Try "Creative Labs Sound Blaster 16 ISA Plug and Play" - That's what Bill Blanton says the VPC VM "thinks" it has. (I think
drivers for that are included in '98.)


He said elsewhere it was a VMWare machine. There's a possibility that
SB drivers are compatible, but I would look for the drivers that are
specific to that particular virtual sound card.

There's also a way to disable the virtual sound card in VPC. VMWare could
have that capability. (though I would expect that not to be the default setting).

In message , Bill Blanton
writes:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
[]
Try "Creative Labs Sound Blaster 16 ISA Plug and Play" - That's what
Bill Blanton says the VPC VM "thinks" it has. (I think
drivers for that are included in '98.)


He said elsewhere it was a VMWare machine. There's a possibility that
SB drivers are compatible, but I would look for the drivers that are
specific to that particular virtual sound card.

That was the point I was making: the sound card is going to be virtual.
All those saying "get a '98 driver for the actual hardware in the
machine" - I'm not saying that is definitely wrong, but I'd be
_surprised_ if it wasn't. Similarly the video hardware.

I think we need Those Who Know to post what video and sound hardware the
various VMs "think" they have - and/or, to post what (Win98) drivers
they're using successfully with a VM (they can tell us what real
hardware they've got too if they really want).

There's also a way to disable the virtual sound card in VPC. VMWare could
have that capability. (though I would expect that not to be the default
setting).

Presumably it can be disabled the same way as a real one, in Device
Manager, though there may be another way too.


--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

"Bother," said the Borg, "we assimilated a Pooh."

In message , Bill Blanton
writes:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
[]
Try "Creative Labs Sound Blaster 16 ISA Plug and Play" - That's what
Bill Blanton says the VPC VM "thinks" it has. (I think
drivers for that are included in '98.)


He said elsewhere it was a VMWare machine. There's a possibility that
SB drivers are compatible, but I would look for the drivers that are
specific to that particular virtual sound card.

That was the point I was making: the sound card is going to be virtual.
All those saying "get a '98 driver for the actual hardware in the
machine" - I'm not saying that is definitely wrong, but I'd be
_surprised_ if it wasn't. Similarly the video hardware.

I think we need Those Who Know to post what video and sound hardware the
various VMs "think" they have - and/or, to post what (Win98) drivers
they're using successfully with a VM (they can tell us what real
hardware they've got too if they really want).

There's also a way to disable the virtual sound card in VPC. VMWare could
have that capability. (though I would expect that not to be the default
setting).

Presumably it can be disabled the same way as a real one, in Device
Manager, though there may be another way too.


--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

"Bother," said the Borg, "we assimilated a Pooh."

On 11/19/2009 07:17 PM, Brian A. wrote:
"Larry" wrote in message

In Device Manager, the only thing that looks like Audio is under "other
devices." It's PCI Multimedia Audio Device, with a yellow question mark
next to it.

Which makes it seem that there is no actual device there, just a place
holder.

In any case, I'll remove it and restart W98 and see what happens.

Ok, it's restarting and saying it's looking for new drivers for PCI
Multimedia Audio Device. But I've been here before. I didn't know what to
look for then, and don't now. It offers me various options including
registering at Microsot Windows Update. but since MS stopped supporting
W98 in the Pleistocene, I don't think that's going to help. So I canceled
out of the Driver wizard, W98 started up, I go to Sounds, and the arrow
to play Sound events is still grayed out.





"Bill Blanton" wrote in message
...
"Larry" larry328NOSPAM#att.net wrote in message
...

In any case this doesn't answer the question of what driver is needed
to
get sounds working in the VM version of W98.

It depends on what virtual sound card the virtual machine is using. If
VPC, you have a Creative Labs Sound Blaster 16 ISA Plug and Play card.
If VMWare or other, check the docs or help. Search on "sound card" or
"emulated".

Without that info, it's hard to say. Have you tried removing the device
in virtual 98's device manager and letting it redetect on reboot?

MEB has supplied you with VMWare audio links. As an FYI concerning MS
VPC, in order for devices to work the VPC Additions must be installed.


From what I could garner from a quick read of those linked materials,
the VMWare Tools are necessary, likely for the same reason as VPC.

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