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Solved: was: Any way to TOTALLY disable Windows 98 Disk Cleanup tool?
I booted into DOS and ran scandisk on the 700 gb drive.
It found no problems - except that the free space was being reported incorrectly. I told it to fix it. After the fix, chkdsk says there were 3 free clusters on the drive (96 kb). So that's why win-98 kept telling me the disk was full - when it *appeared* to have 22 gb free. I download a lot of music and movies from file-lockers, and these files (.rar files) are typically 100mb to 400mb in size. For movies, they expand to generate 1gb to 3gb .avi or .mkv files. I move these files around on the drive after downloading and expanding them, and after expansion I will delete the .rar files associated with the movie files. I guess that all that file-moving and deleting doesn't always result in Windows keeping proper track of the free drive space. I'm going to move the contents of this 700 gb drive over to a 1.5 TB drive to deal with this drive-full problem. I've already formatted a 1.5 TB SATA drive in the past and win-98 has no problem with using it. |
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Solved: was: Any way to TOTALLY disable Windows 98 Disk Cleanup tool?
98 Guy wrote in :
So that's why win-98 kept telling me the disk was full - when it *appeared* to have 22 gb free. It's interesting that the low disk space warnings were a real disk-full warning based on a couint error, and weren't those based on maintaining cache space (which are also around 3% hence my uncertainty). Your system seemed to have that cleanup manager and monitor, but still wasn't using that (or was it doing that too? You did originally ask about removing that tool...) Those registry entries that 'none' posted today.. do you have those, and if so, any difference in values? I guess that all that file-moving and deleting doesn't always result in Windows keeping proper track of the free drive space. No intervening shutdowns since original formatting? I'm not sure what can cause that value to go wrong mid-session. A hasty shutdown is usual cause. I'm going to move the contents of this 700 gb drive over to a 1.5 TB drive to deal with this drive-full problem. I've already formatted a 1.5 TB SATA drive in the past and win-98 has no problem with using it. Using that free patched ESDI_506.PDR? I trusted Rudolph Loew's version better because of some fragmented discussion and development on a massive forum thread... I read it all, but saw things that implied a messier answer than Loew's (among them a bit-match test with the M$ original), but if it works, it works. |
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Solved: was: Any way to TOTALLY disable Windows 98 Disk Cleanuptool?
Lostgallifreyan wrote:
No intervening shutdowns since original formatting? If you mean "uncontrolled" or non-gracefull shut-downs - yea, there have been plenty over the past 2 or so years that the drive was added to the system. I'm going to move the contents of this 700 gb drive over to a 1.5 TB drive to deal with this drive-full problem. I've already formatted a 1.5 TB SATA drive in the past and win-98 has no problem with using it. Using that free patched ESDI_506.PDR? No. I make it a point to NOT use IDE-emulation mode on any system I attach a SATA drive to (be it win-98 or XP). When I made the jump beyond 80 gb hard-drives, I went with SATA drives because at the time there was not much price difference between, say, a 160 or 250 gb IDE vs SATA drive. I have a small collection of SATA drives in the 160, 250, and 500 gb size (that are legacy or spare and have no planned use at this point) and only one 750 gb and several 1, 1.5 and 2 TB drives that are basically waiting to be incorporated into new systems. I've said several times here before that there is no shortage of win-98 drivers for SATA-1 controllers. If your BIOS is set so that the SATA controller is operating in native mode (not IDE-emulation mode) then when you have the manufacturer-supplied win-98 driver you will not be faced with the 137gb problem that you would be faced with if the drive was an IDE drive (or if the drive is a SATA drive being used in IDE-emulation mode). I trusted Rudolph Loew's version There is no reason to use Loew's version because you shouldn't (at this point, or any point in the past 4 years) have an IDE drive in your system larger than 128 gb in the first place - it should be a SATA drive, and if it's a SATA drive then you use the proper win-98 driver. IDE drives larger than 100 or 120 gb (ie - 160, 200, 250, 320, etc) quickly became expensive dinosaurs and replaced in retail channels by SATA versions. |
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Solved: was: Any way to TOTALLY disable Windows 98 Disk Cleanup tool?
98 Guy wrote in :
There is no reason to use Loew's version because you shouldn't (at this point, or any point in the past 4 years) have an IDE drive in your system larger than 128 gb in the first place - it should be a SATA drive, and if it's a SATA drive then you use the proper win-98 driver. Not on my mainboards... Long story, but a tiny (yet huge) part of it is that I use Layla20 multichannel audio, modified for 12VDC power and DC coupled I/O, and while this makes high grade lab gear on the cheap, it is totally fussy about the systems it runs on, especially BIOS, so I start with Layla and a board it works with (MII12000 for low power and small size), and build all else around that. The cost of getting back to where I am now, any other way, is a much bigger spane, a lot of learning, and probably a whole lot more hardware customisation too. I'm limited to PATA, but I can use FireWire and USB too, and often do. ATA disks are expensive now, but not so bad that I didn't grab a couple more 400GB video grade Deskstars last week. I should be more than fine for a few years, plenty of time to look ahead and steer very gently. If I have to make fast moves with a current machine, I'd rather build based on current means and methods, I have bought cheap backups of boards, Layla20's whenever they appear on eBay. Rarely now, but I have a few of each.. If I ever need a different machine and have to get one, I will, but it won't replace these, it will just be different. So far, no need. One of them has room for a riser and a PCI-based SATA card if I really want to splurge on a few terabytes. |
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Solved: was: Any way to TOTALLY disable Windows 98 Disk Cleanup tool?
98 Guy wrote in :
If your BIOS is set so that the SATA controller is operating in native mode (not IDE-emulation mode) then when you have the manufacturer-supplied win-98 driver you will not be faced with the 137gb problem that you would be faced with if the drive was an IDE drive (or if the drive is a SATA drive being used in IDE-emulation mode). Indeed. If I ever get a mainboard with SATA on it, I'd use that. I have used SATA, and not had trouble with it, it's just not native to the boards (and BIOS) that I need. I remember a guy on a forum saying that SATA had problems, but if it did I never saw them myself, and if they had existed, I guess they don't now. All I remember is he thought it was serious. |
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Solved: was: Any way to TOTALLY disable Windows 98 Disk Cleanup tool?
98 Guy wrote in :
If you mean "uncontrolled" or non-gracefull shut-downs - yea, there have been plenty over the past 2 or so years that the drive was added to the system. If no intervening scandisk runs, I guess the spare space count had been creeping agley for some time. |
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Solved: was: Any way to TOTALLY disable Windows 98 Disk Cleanup tool?
Lostgallifreyan wrote in
: spane ??? spend... |
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Solved: was: Any way to TOTALLY disable Windows 98 Disk Cleanuptool?
Lostgallifreyan wrote:
If I ever get a mainboard with SATA on it, I'd use that. Lots of choices when it comes to SATA controllers on PCI cards. They will all work under win-98, and will very likely have win-98 drivers on the mini-CD disk that comes with them (even it not so indicated on the package). All PCI-based sata controllers will be SATA-1 controllers. Anything that claims to be SATA-2 or SATA-3 (is there a SATA-3?) will have to be on a PCI-e board because of speed requirements. I remember a guy on a forum saying that SATA had problems Seagate had a major problem with some hard drives back in late 2008 / early 2009. ============== January 23, 2009 Last week, Tom's Hardware reported that an escalating number of Barracuda 7200.11, ES.2 SATA and DiamondMax 22 drives were failing due to a fatal flaw in the firmware which caused the drive to suddenly lock itself up and prevent the BIOS from even detecting it in the system. There is no way of fixing this unfortunately, and the drive needs to be returned for replacement. ============== Read more about it he http://www.tomshardware.com/news/sea...king,6885.html |
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Solved: was: Any way to TOTALLY disable Windows 98 Disk Cleanup tool?
98 Guy wrote in :
If I ever get a mainboard with SATA on it, I'd use that. Lots of choices when it comes to SATA controllers on PCI cards. They will all work under win-98, and will very likely have win-98 drivers on the mini-CD disk that comes with them (even it not so indicated on the package). All PCI-based sata controllers will be SATA-1 controllers. Anything that claims to be SATA-2 or SATA-3 (is there a SATA-3?) will have to be on a PCI-e board because of speed requirements. Good, SATA-1 it is. I'll look into that. Two of my machines have no room for the card, but the main one has plenty. Re Seagate, no worries, I love my Deskstars. They seem to last forever. I remember the Click of Death scare, but it never happened to me. (I run them cool, don't have lots od disk thrashing, and I set them to low noise with the supplied firmware tool, and whatever they cost, I'll get way more than my money's worth judging by lifespan so far. (I should mention that the extra price they cost now doesan't bother me because for 20 but multichannel DC copupled I/O, I have reduced its cost by many times the difference in costs for PATA and SATA per byte. As a total system, balancing power demands and cost, and ability, I'm ok with what I have. Computers may be very different from current standards before I need to change again. Could be time I examined the current standards in high grade workstations though, because those, when they get cheap and unwanted, might be a future machine base for me.) (And a PPS: Rudolph Loew patched the BIOS for the boards I have, as Via had only supported the first device! I hekped him track it down to the point where he could fix it neatly. Via wouldn't update their BIOS even when they were handed the answer on a plate. They barely aknowleged the effort either. I mention this because it partly explains my support for Rudolph Loew, and partly explains my reluctance to upgrade when I have personal history of a maker of industrial standard boards failing to make proper updates even when they don't have to lift a finger to do it. It's taught me to make changes very carefully, and only when they don't leave me with risky unknows greater that I already have. Given that the first thing many Android users may learn about their system's details is when they have to get it removed from the botnet it becomes part of, I'm ok with staying put.) /End ramble... |
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Solved: was: Any way to TOTALLY disable Windows 98 Disk Cleanup tool?
On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 09:38:14 -0400, 98 Guy wrote:
I booted into DOS and ran scandisk on the 700 gb drive. It found no problems - except that the free space was being reported incorrectly. I told it to fix it. Win98 has always had a problem with the free space being reported incorrectly. This happens regularly to me, and always has. I curremtly have a 120gb and an 40 gb drive installed, which is more than I need. Each drive has 3 partitions on it. All are formatted to Fat32. I wonder if newer versions of Windows has this same "free space" problem? I should mention this "Free space" problem has occurred hundreds of time over the years, but has never once been an actual problem. |
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