Unofficial Time Zones Update (Testers wanted)

On Feb 6, 9:37 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

Is that applicable to pre NT systems?

Did you update the blog on this? I cannot find anything.

I am trying to patch a bunch of systems.

What exactly do you have to do on which versions, other than simply
running the
patch .bat file?

I used the patch on a 98SE system, and tested it. It worked for the
March 11, 2007
change. I did not have to do any extra steps, I just ran the bat
file. But, am I missing something?

Thank you. Forgot to add that info to the instructions.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP -- Shell/Userhttp://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htmhttp://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"John John" wrote in message

...



I don't know for W9x but for NT/2000 you have to refresh the users Time
Zone information at:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\TimeZoneInformation

with the new information contained in the updated database at:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Time Zones

It can be done programatically or by changing the Time Zone settings to
a different zone then back to the proper zone. The information there is
the one that will make the time changes on the proper day and it was/is
entered/copied there at the time that you select(ed) the time zone, if
it's not refreshed the time change will not happen as expected.

Fromhttp://support.microsoft.com/kb/914387

[quote]
Windows time zones

Windows stores time zone information in two locations in the registry.
The first location is the time zone database in the following registry
subkey:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Time Zones

The time zone database contains the configuration data for all time
zones in Windows. Windows and other applications use the data to
calculate local times.

The second location for time zone information is the following registry
subkey:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\TimeZoneInformation

Control sets in Windows store system configuration information such as
drivers and services. The TimeZoneInformation registry subkey in the
current control set contains the configuration data for the time zone
that Windows is currently using. Windows copies this information from
the time zone database when the time zone is selected.

[End quote]

John

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

The mod should work fine, so long as the Time Zones key in NT is in the
same
location as in 2000, and the Values are named the same, etc. The BAT
file
should have created a TZ_BAK.reg file in the %windir%. If that doesn't
exist, something's wrong. If it does exist, could you please send me
that
file, so I can reassure myself that the original structure looks like I
think it should look.
gryst_at_grystmill.com

THANKS!!!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

tom wrote:
| On Feb 6, 9:37 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
|
| Is that applicable to pre NT systems?
|
| Did you update the blog on this? I cannot find anything.
|
| I am trying to patch a bunch of systems.
|
| What exactly do you have to do on which versions, other than simply
| running the
| patch .bat file?
|
| I used the patch on a 98SE system, and tested it. It worked for the
| March 11, 2007
| change. I did not have to do any extra steps, I just ran the bat
| file. But, am I missing something?

Yes, he said it DOES apply. I didn't see he updated his site, but all
you need to do is...

(a) Click Start, point to Settings, point to Control Panel,
and then double-click Date/Time.
(b) Click the Time Zone tab.
(c) Select a different time zone than the one you are set at,
and then click Apply.
(d) Set it back to the one you were set at, and then click OK.

Do so AFTER running Terhune's .reg. This will fill the Registry key John
John spoke of, which was...

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\TimeZoneInformation

....with information from one of the keys updated by Terhune's .reg.


| Thank you. Forgot to add that info to the instructions.
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS MVP --
|
Shell/Userhttp://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htmhttp://grystmill.co
m/articles/security.htm
|
| "John John" wrote in message
|
| ...
|
|
|
| I don't know for W9x but for NT/2000 you have to refresh the users
| Time Zone information at:
|
|
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\TimeZoneInformation
|
| with the new information contained in the updated database at:
|
| HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows
| NT\CurrentVersion\Time Zones
|
| It can be done programatically or by changing the Time Zone
| settings to
| a different zone then back to the proper zone. The information
| there is the one that will make the time changes on the proper day
| and it was/is entered/copied there at the time that you select(ed)
| the time zone, if it's not refreshed the time change will not
| happen as expected.
|
| Fromhttp://support.microsoft.com/kb/914387
|
| [quote]
| Windows time zones
|
| Windows stores time zone information in two locations in the
| registry. The first location is the time zone database in the
| following registry subkey:
| HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows
| NT\CurrentVersion\Time Zones
|
| The time zone database contains the configuration data for all time
| zones in Windows. Windows and other applications use the data to
| calculate local times.
|
| The second location for time zone information is the following
| registry subkey:
|
|
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\TimeZoneInformation
|
| Control sets in Windows store system configuration information
| such as drivers and services. The TimeZoneInformation registry
| subkey in the current control set contains the configuration data
| for the time zone that Windows is currently using. Windows copies
| this information from
| the time zone database when the time zone is selected.
|
| [End quote]
|
| John
|
| Gary S. Terhune wrote:
|
| The mod should work fine, so long as the Time Zones key in NT is
| in the
| same
| location as in 2000, and the Values are named the same, etc. The
| BAT
| file
| should have created a TZ_BAK.reg file in the %windir%. If that
| doesn't exist, something's wrong. If it does exist, could you
| please send me
| that
| file, so I can reassure myself that the original structure looks
| like I think it should look.
| gryst_at_grystmill.com
|
| THANKS!!!- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -

Thanks, PCR. No, the "blog" (which it is in not, no way, just a patch with a
readme), has not been updated yet, because shortly after my last post here I
ended up in the hospital for reasons I shall not go into in public.

Anyway, the article will be updated soon, including some other stuff to make
it more visible to people searching for it. I guess it's pretty OK, seeing
the lack of additional critical comment. I don't *think* the updating by
changing the TZ to something else and back can be achieved other than by
using a script, something I'm trying to avoid. Don't want people running
into hassles with their protective software, and this is intended to be as
universally, painlessly usable as possible.

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User

"PCR" wrote in message
...
tom wrote:
| On Feb 6, 9:37 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
|
| Is that applicable to pre NT systems?
|
| Did you update the blog on this? I cannot find anything.
|
| I am trying to patch a bunch of systems.
|
| What exactly do you have to do on which versions, other than simply
| running the
| patch .bat file?
|
| I used the patch on a 98SE system, and tested it. It worked for the
| March 11, 2007
| change. I did not have to do any extra steps, I just ran the bat
| file. But, am I missing something?

Yes, he said it DOES apply. I didn't see he updated his site, but all
you need to do is...

(a) Click Start, point to Settings, point to Control Panel,
and then double-click Date/Time.
(b) Click the Time Zone tab.
(c) Select a different time zone than the one you are set at,
and then click Apply.
(d) Set it back to the one you were set at, and then click OK.

Do so AFTER running Terhune's .reg. This will fill the Registry key John
John spoke of, which was...

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\TimeZoneInformation

...with information from one of the keys updated by Terhune's .reg.


| Thank you. Forgot to add that info to the instructions.
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS MVP --
|
Shell/Userhttp://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htmhttp://grystmill.co
m/articles/security.htm
|
| "John John" wrote in message
|
| ...
|
|
|
| I don't know for W9x but for NT/2000 you have to refresh the users
| Time Zone information at:
|
|
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\TimeZoneInformation
|
| with the new information contained in the updated database at:
|
| HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows
| NT\CurrentVersion\Time Zones
|
| It can be done programatically or by changing the Time Zone
| settings to
| a different zone then back to the proper zone. The information
| there is the one that will make the time changes on the proper day
| and it was/is entered/copied there at the time that you select(ed)
| the time zone, if it's not refreshed the time change will not
| happen as expected.
|
| Fromhttp://support.microsoft.com/kb/914387
|
| [quote]
| Windows time zones
|
| Windows stores time zone information in two locations in the
| registry. The first location is the time zone database in the
| following registry subkey:
| HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows
| NT\CurrentVersion\Time Zones
|
| The time zone database contains the configuration data for all time
| zones in Windows. Windows and other applications use the data to
| calculate local times.
|
| The second location for time zone information is the following
| registry subkey:
|
|
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\TimeZoneInformation
|
| Control sets in Windows store system configuration information
| such as drivers and services. The TimeZoneInformation registry
| subkey in the current control set contains the configuration data
| for the time zone that Windows is currently using. Windows copies
| this information from
| the time zone database when the time zone is selected.
|
| [End quote]
|
| John
|
| Gary S. Terhune wrote:
|
| The mod should work fine, so long as the Time Zones key in NT is
| in the
| same
| location as in 2000, and the Values are named the same, etc. The
| BAT
| file
| should have created a TZ_BAK.reg file in the %windir%. If that
| doesn't exist, something's wrong. If it does exist, could you
| please send me
| that
| file, so I can reassure myself that the original structure looks
| like I think it should look.
| gryst_at_grystmill.com
|
| THANKS!!!- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -

On Feb 16, 3:47 am, "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
Thanks, PCR. No, the "blog" (which it is in not, no way, just a patch with a
readme), has not been updated yet, because shortly after my last post here I
ended up in the hospital for reasons I shall not go into in public.

Anyway, the article will be updated soon, including some other stuff to make
it more visible to people searching for it. I guess it's pretty OK, seeing
the lack of additional critical comment. I don't *think* the updating by
changing the TZ to something else and back can be achieved other than by
using a script, something I'm trying to avoid. Don't want people running
into hassles with their protective software, and this is intended to be as
universally, painlessly usable as possible.

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User

"PCR" wrote in message

...



tom wrote:
| On Feb 6, 9:37 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
|
| Is that applicable to pre NT systems?
|
| Did you update the blog on this? I cannot find anything.
|
| I am trying to patch a bunch of systems.
|
| What exactly do you have to do on which versions, other than simply
| running the
| patch .bat file?
|
| I used the patch on a 98SE system, and tested it. It worked for the
| March 11, 2007
| change. I did not have to do any extra steps, I just ran the bat
| file. But, am I missing something?

Yes, he said it DOES apply. I didn't see he updated his site, but all
you need to do is...

(a) Click Start, point to Settings, point to Control Panel,
and then double-click Date/Time.
(b) Click the Time Zone tab.
(c) Select a different time zone than the one you are set at,
and then click Apply.
(d) Set it back to the one you were set at, and then click OK.

Do so AFTER running Terhune's .reg. This will fill the Registry key John
John spoke of, which was...

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\TimeZoneInformation

...with information from one of the keys updated by Terhune's .reg.

| Thank you. Forgot to add that info to the instructions.
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS MVP --
|
Shell/Userhttp://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htmhttp://grystmill.co
m/articles/security.htm
|
| "John John" wrote in message
|
...
|
|
|
| I don't know for W9x but for NT/2000 you have to refresh the users
| Time Zone information at:
|
|
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\TimeZoneInformation
|
| with the new information contained in the updated database at:
|
| HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows
| NT\CurrentVersion\Time Zones
|
| It can be done programatically or by changing the Time Zone
| settings to
| a different zone then back to the proper zone. The information
| there is the one that will make the time changes on the proper day
| and it was/is entered/copied there at the time that you select(ed)
| the time zone, if it's not refreshed the time change will not
| happen as expected.
|
| Fromhttp://support.microsoft.com/kb/914387
|
| [quote]
| Windows time zones
|
| Windows stores time zone information in two locations in the
| registry. The first location is the time zone database in the
| following registry subkey:
| HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows
| NT\CurrentVersion\Time Zones
|
| The time zone database contains the configuration data for all time
| zones in Windows. Windows and other applications use the data to
| calculate local times.
|
| The second location for time zone information is the following
| registry subkey:
|
|
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\TimeZoneInformation
|
| Control sets in Windows store system configuration information
| such as drivers and services. The TimeZoneInformation registry
| subkey in the current control set contains the configuration data
| for the time zone that Windows is currently using. Windows copies
| this information from
| the time zone database when the time zone is selected.
|
| [End quote]
|
| John
|
| Gary S. Terhune wrote:
|
| The mod should work fine, so long as the Time Zones key in NT is
| in the
| same
| location as in 2000, and the Values are named the same, etc. The
| BAT
| file
| should have created a TZ_BAK.reg file in the %windir%. If that
| doesn't exist, something's wrong. If it does exist, could you
| please send me
| that
| file, so I can reassure myself that the original structure looks
| like I think it should look.
| gryst_at_grystmill.com
|
| THANKS!!!- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I installed the patch on 98SE and it worked without any extra steps.
I tried it by setting the time forward and letting it tick past 2AM on
March 11, 2007 and it worked.

What am I missing here?

Don't know, Tom, but I'll do some experimenting of my own once I get back to
my VPC systems. I didn't really have time to check into the info provided by
John John before I ended up in the hospital. However, the usual instructions
for the use of TZEdit (for both NT/2K and 9x systems) does include those
steps.

In the meantime, here's the update for the instructions in the Readme,
inviting the critique of others (added steps 5-7):

Instructions for installation:
1. Double-click TZ_UP.bat
2. Click OK when asked if you want to merge the Registry data.
3. Click OK when told that Merge was successful.
4. Close the DOS Prompt window if necessary.
5. Double-click the Windows clock in your System Tray, or
open Time/Date applet from Control Panel.
6. Change the Time Zone listed to any other Time Zone, click Apply.
7. Change the Time Zone to the one now most appropriate to your locale.
(Normally, this will be the same as the one it was set to when you
opened
the applet, but in some cases the Time Zone for your locale will have
changed name.)

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User

"tom" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Feb 16, 3:47 am, "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
Thanks, PCR. No, the "blog" (which it is in not, no way, just a patch
with a
readme), has not been updated yet, because shortly after my last post
here I
ended up in the hospital for reasons I shall not go into in public.

Anyway, the article will be updated soon, including some other stuff to
make
it more visible to people searching for it. I guess it's pretty OK,
seeing
the lack of additional critical comment. I don't *think* the updating by
changing the TZ to something else and back can be achieved other than by
using a script, something I'm trying to avoid. Don't want people running
into hassles with their protective software, and this is intended to be
as
universally, painlessly usable as possible.

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User

"PCR" wrote in message

...



tom wrote:
| On Feb 6, 9:37 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
|
| Is that applicable to pre NT systems?
|
| Did you update the blog on this? I cannot find anything.
|
| I am trying to patch a bunch of systems.
|
| What exactly do you have to do on which versions, other than simply
| running the
| patch .bat file?
|
| I used the patch on a 98SE system, and tested it. It worked for the
| March 11, 2007
| change. I did not have to do any extra steps, I just ran the bat
| file. But, am I missing something?

Yes, he said it DOES apply. I didn't see he updated his site, but all
you need to do is...

(a) Click Start, point to Settings, point to Control Panel,
and then double-click Date/Time.
(b) Click the Time Zone tab.
(c) Select a different time zone than the one you are set at,
and then click Apply.
(d) Set it back to the one you were set at, and then click OK.

Do so AFTER running Terhune's .reg. This will fill the Registry key
John
John spoke of, which was...

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\TimeZoneInformation

...with information from one of the keys updated by Terhune's .reg.

| Thank you. Forgot to add that info to the instructions.
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS MVP --
|
Shell/Userhttp://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htmhttp://grystmill.co
m/articles/security.htm
|
| "John John" wrote in message
|
...
|
|
|
| I don't know for W9x but for NT/2000 you have to refresh the users
| Time Zone information at:
|
|
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\TimeZoneInformation
|
| with the new information contained in the updated database at:
|
| HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows
| NT\CurrentVersion\Time Zones
|
| It can be done programatically or by changing the Time Zone
| settings to
| a different zone then back to the proper zone. The information
| there is the one that will make the time changes on the proper day
| and it was/is entered/copied there at the time that you select(ed)
| the time zone, if it's not refreshed the time change will not
| happen as expected.
|
| Fromhttp://support.microsoft.com/kb/914387
|
| [quote]
| Windows time zones
|
| Windows stores time zone information in two locations in the
| registry. The first location is the time zone database in the
| following registry subkey:
| HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows
| NT\CurrentVersion\Time Zones
|
| The time zone database contains the configuration data for all
time
| zones in Windows. Windows and other applications use the data to
| calculate local times.
|
| The second location for time zone information is the following
| registry subkey:
|
|
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\TimeZoneInformation
|
| Control sets in Windows store system configuration information
| such as drivers and services. The TimeZoneInformation registry
| subkey in the current control set contains the configuration data
| for the time zone that Windows is currently using. Windows copies
| this information from
| the time zone database when the time zone is selected.
|
| [End quote]
|
| John
|
| Gary S. Terhune wrote:
|
| The mod should work fine, so long as the Time Zones key in NT is
| in the
| same
| location as in 2000, and the Values are named the same, etc. The
| BAT
| file
| should have created a TZ_BAK.reg file in the %windir%. If that
| doesn't exist, something's wrong. If it does exist, could you
| please send me
| that
| file, so I can reassure myself that the original structure looks
| like I think it should look.
| gryst_at_grystmill.com
|
| THANKS!!!- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I installed the patch on 98SE and it worked without any extra steps.
I tried it by setting the time forward and letting it tick past 2AM on
March 11, 2007 and it worked.

What am I missing here?

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
| Thanks, PCR. No, the "blog" (which it is in not, no way, just a patch
| with a readme), has not been updated yet,

You are welcome. Glad I got that right, that you did say John John & the
TZEdit help & the MS article were correct in what they instructed. OK, I
see you do plan to update your instructions.

Also, it's interesting tom says he DIDN'T need to do that. However, in
another thread he did post the mdgx.com site in his query about this.
THAT one does include a script (I guess) to open the Time/Date
Properties, judging from the instructions at that site. Can it be tom
ran that one too?

| because shortly after my
| last post here I ended up in the hospital for reasons I shall not go
| into in public.

Sorry to hear it, but glad you are back. I won't guess what it was-- but
I suspect it may have been bloody toes!

| Anyway, the article will be updated soon, including some other stuff
| to make it more visible to people searching for it. I guess it's
| pretty OK, seeing the lack of additional critical comment.

I do know it would change my own Eastern Time (US & Canada)
appropriately or exactly to what TZEdit did change it.

| I don't
| *think* the updating by changing the TZ to something else and back
| can be achieved other than by using a script, something I'm trying to
| avoid. Don't want people running into hassles with their protective
| software, and this is intended to be as universally, painlessly
| usable as possible.

I understand. Then, maybe, if yours is a .bat, have it print those
instructions to the screen or maybe just a reminder of it...

5. Double-click the Windows clock in your System Tray, or
open Time/Date applet from Control Panel.
6. Change the Time Zone listed to any other Time Zone, click Apply.
7. Change the Time Zone to the one now most appropriate to your locale.
(Normally, this will be the same as the one it was set to when you
opened
the applet, but in some cases the Time Zone for your locale will
have
changed name.)

| --
|
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
|
| "PCR" wrote in message
| ...
| tom wrote:
| | On Feb 6, 9:37 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
| |
| | Is that applicable to pre NT systems?
| |
| | Did you update the blog on this? I cannot find anything.
| |
| | I am trying to patch a bunch of systems.
| |
| | What exactly do you have to do on which versions, other than simply
| | running the
| | patch .bat file?
| |
| | I used the patch on a 98SE system, and tested it. It worked for
| | the March 11, 2007
| | change. I did not have to do any extra steps, I just ran the bat
| | file. But, am I missing something?
|
| Yes, he said it DOES apply. I didn't see he updated his site, but all
| you need to do is...
|
| (a) Click Start, point to Settings, point to Control Panel,
| and then double-click Date/Time.
| (b) Click the Time Zone tab.
| (c) Select a different time zone than the one you are set at,
| and then click Apply.
| (d) Set it back to the one you were set at, and then click OK.
|
| Do so AFTER running Terhune's .reg. This will fill the Registry key
| John John spoke of, which was...
|
|
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\TimeZoneInformation
|
| ...with information from one of the keys updated by Terhune's .reg.
|
|
| | Thank you. Forgot to add that info to the instructions.
| |
| | --
| | Gary S. Terhune
| | MS MVP --
| |
|
Shell/Userhttp://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htmhttp://grystmill.co
| m/articles/security.htm
| |
| | "John John" wrote in message
| |
| | ...
| |
| |
| |
| | I don't know for W9x but for NT/2000 you have to refresh the
| | users Time Zone information at:
| |
| |
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\TimeZoneInformation
| | with the new information contained in the updated database at:
| |
| | HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows
| | NT\CurrentVersion\Time Zones
| |
| | It can be done programatically or by changing the Time Zone
| | settings to
| | a different zone then back to the proper zone. The information
| | there is the one that will make the time changes on the proper
| | day and it was/is entered/copied there at the time that you
| | select(ed) the time zone, if it's not refreshed the time change
| | will not happen as expected.
| |
| | Fromhttp://support.microsoft.com/kb/914387
| |
| | [quote]
| | Windows time zones
| |
| | Windows stores time zone information in two locations in the
| | registry. The first location is the time zone database in the
| | following registry subkey:
| | HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows
| | NT\CurrentVersion\Time Zones
| |
| | The time zone database contains the configuration data for all
| | time zones in Windows. Windows and other applications use the
| | data to calculate local times.
| |
| | The second location for time zone information is the following
| | registry subkey:
| |
| |
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\TimeZoneInformation
| | Control sets in Windows store system configuration information
| | such as drivers and services. The TimeZoneInformation registry
| | subkey in the current control set contains the configuration
| | data for the time zone that Windows is currently using. Windows
| | copies this information from
| | the time zone database when the time zone is selected.
| |
| | [End quote]
| |
| | John
| |
| | Gary S. Terhune wrote:
| |
| | The mod should work fine, so long as the Time Zones key in NT
| | is in the
| | same
| | location as in 2000, and the Values are named the same, etc.
| | The BAT
| | file
| | should have created a TZ_BAK.reg file in the %windir%. If that
| | doesn't exist, something's wrong. If it does exist, could you
| | please send me
| | that
| | file, so I can reassure myself that the original structure
| | looks like I think it should look.
| | gryst_at_grystmill.com
| |
| | THANKS!!!- Hide quoted text -
| |
| | - Show quoted text -

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I'll update what I've said thus far by saying that I don't know for sure
that those last instructions are necessary to NT/2K *OR* 9x systems.

I don't know what you mean by "pre-NT" systems. There are 9x systems (from
95 through ME) and NT systems (NT4 through Vista -- at least I'm fairly
certain that Vista still qualifies as an NT system.) Not sure about pre-NT4,
since I'm not familiar with the progression of that genre. I think of these
Windows systems being distinct from earlier versions because they have
32-bit processing (and now, 64-bit), the Registry, and Virtual Mode.

In the case of the Time Zones issue, the only important distinction between
NT and 9x is the location of the Time Zones Key in the Registry. Otherwise,
they're the same -- until you get to XP and 2K3 and Vista, where they have
now added mechanisms where the Time Zone changes of the future can be built
in. The previous systems remain static and require manual updating during
the period just prior to when they take affect.

I'll try to test the issue this weekend of whether the updating truly
requires messing with the Dime/Date applet or not, or whether a reboot is
even necessary (though in most cases, these systems require fairly frequent
rebooting, anyway.) I'll see what is necessary to update the
CurrentControlSet key(s). Otherwise, it may have to wait until the first
part of the week.

Note that there is no "blog" involved. I post an article on my website with
no feedback mechanism other than direct email to me, and include a Readme in
the download that has instructions in addition to the article. That's it.
Further discussion can be found in this and the other Win98 groups (until/if
I decide to broadcast its existence to other Windows groups.)

--

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MS-MVP Shell/User

"tom" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Feb 6, 9:37 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

Is that applicable to pre NT systems?

Did you update the blog on this? I cannot find anything.

I am trying to patch a bunch of systems.

What exactly do you have to do on which versions, other than simply
running the
patch .bat file?

I used the patch on a 98SE system, and tested it. It worked for the
March 11, 2007
change. I did not have to do any extra steps, I just ran the bat
file. But, am I missing something?

Thank you. Forgot to add that info to the instructions.

--
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MS MVP --
Shell/Userhttp://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htmhttp://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"John John" wrote in message

...



I don't know for W9x but for NT/2000 you have to refresh the users Time
Zone information at:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\TimeZoneInformation

with the new information contained in the updated database at:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Time
Zones

It can be done programatically or by changing the Time Zone settings to
a different zone then back to the proper zone. The information there
is
the one that will make the time changes on the proper day and it was/is
entered/copied there at the time that you select(ed) the time zone, if
it's not refreshed the time change will not happen as expected.

Fromhttp://support.microsoft.com/kb/914387

[quote]
Windows time zones

Windows stores time zone information in two locations in the registry.
The first location is the time zone database in the following registry
subkey:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Time
Zones

The time zone database contains the configuration data for all time
zones in Windows. Windows and other applications use the data to
calculate local times.

The second location for time zone information is the following registry
subkey:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\TimeZoneInformation

Control sets in Windows store system configuration information such as
drivers and services. The TimeZoneInformation registry subkey in the
current control set contains the configuration data for the time zone
that Windows is currently using. Windows copies this information from
the time zone database when the time zone is selected.

[End quote]

John

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

The mod should work fine, so long as the Time Zones key in NT is in
the
same
location as in 2000, and the Values are named the same, etc. The BAT
file
should have created a TZ_BAK.reg file in the %windir%. If that
doesn't
exist, something's wrong. If it does exist, could you please send me
that
file, so I can reassure myself that the original structure looks like
I
think it should look.
gryst_at_grystmill.com

THANKS!!!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
| I'll update what I've said thus far by saying that I don't know for
| sure that those last instructions are necessary to NT/2K *OR* 9x
| systems.

Neither do I, but, as John John said... If Time/Date Properties were
used to advance the date, then clicking OK to that filled the other
Registry key...
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\TimeZoneInformation

I'm thinking, if DOS was used, then...

(a) Something like NisTime could have done it.
(b) What was the prior EST date?
Whatever... likely it was passed too!


--
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There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
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| I don't know what you mean by "pre-NT" systems. There are 9x systems
| (from 95 through ME) and NT systems (NT4 through Vista -- at least
| I'm fairly certain that Vista still qualifies as an NT system.) Not
| sure about pre-NT4, since I'm not familiar with the progression of
| that genre. I think of these Windows systems being distinct from
| earlier versions because they have 32-bit processing (and now,
| 64-bit), the Registry, and Virtual Mode.
|
| In the case of the Time Zones issue, the only important distinction
| between NT and 9x is the location of the Time Zones Key in the
| Registry. Otherwise, they're the same -- until you get to XP and 2K3
| and Vista, where they have now added mechanisms where the Time Zone
| changes of the future can be built in. The previous systems remain
| static and require manual updating during the period just prior to
| when they take affect.
|
| I'll try to test the issue this weekend of whether the updating truly
| requires messing with the Dime/Date applet or not, or whether a
| reboot is even necessary (though in most cases, these systems require
| fairly frequent rebooting, anyway.) I'll see what is necessary to
| update the CurrentControlSet key(s). Otherwise, it may have to wait
| until the first part of the week.
|
| Note that there is no "blog" involved. I post an article on my
| website with no feedback mechanism other than direct email to me, and
| include a Readme in the download that has instructions in addition to
| the article. That's it. Further discussion can be found in this and
| the other Win98 groups (until/if I decide to broadcast its existence
| to other Windows groups.)
|
| --
|
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
|
| "tom" wrote in message
| oups.com...
| On Feb 6, 9:37 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
|
| Is that applicable to pre NT systems?
|
| Did you update the blog on this? I cannot find anything.
|
| I am trying to patch a bunch of systems.
|
| What exactly do you have to do on which versions, other than simply
| running the
| patch .bat file?
|
| I used the patch on a 98SE system, and tested it. It worked for the
| March 11, 2007
| change. I did not have to do any extra steps, I just ran the bat
| file. But, am I missing something?
|
| Thank you. Forgot to add that info to the instructions.
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS MVP --
|
Shell/Userhttp://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htmhttp://grystmill.co
m/articles/security.htm
|
| "John John" wrote in message
|
| ...
|
|
|
| I don't know for W9x but for NT/2000 you have to refresh the
| users Time Zone information at:
|
|
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\TimeZoneInformation
|
| with the new information contained in the updated database at:
|
| HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows
| NT\CurrentVersion\Time Zones
|
| It can be done programatically or by changing the Time Zone
| settings to a different zone then back to the proper zone. The
| information there is
| the one that will make the time changes on the proper day and it
| was/is entered/copied there at the time that you select(ed) the
| time zone, if it's not refreshed the time change will not happen
| as expected.
|
| Fromhttp://support.microsoft.com/kb/914387
|
| [quote]
| Windows time zones
|
| Windows stores time zone information in two locations in the
| registry. The first location is the time zone database in the
| following registry subkey:
| HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows
| NT\CurrentVersion\Time Zones
|
| The time zone database contains the configuration data for all
| time zones in Windows. Windows and other applications use the
| data to calculate local times.
|
| The second location for time zone information is the following
| registry subkey:
|
|
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\TimeZoneInformation
|
| Control sets in Windows store system configuration information
| such as drivers and services. The TimeZoneInformation registry
| subkey in the current control set contains the configuration data
| for the time zone that Windows is currently using. Windows copies
| this information from the time zone database when the time zone
| is selected.
|
| [End quote]
|
| John
|
| Gary S. Terhune wrote:
|
| The mod should work fine, so long as the Time Zones key in NT
| is in the
| same
| location as in 2000, and the Values are named the same, etc.
| The BAT file should have created a TZ_BAK.reg file in the
| %windir%. If that doesn't
| exist, something's wrong. If it does exist, could you please
| send me that file, so I can reassure myself that the original
| structure looks like I
| think it should look.
| gryst_at_grystmill.com
|
| THANKS!!!- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -

PCR wrote:
Gary S. Terhune wrote:
| I'll update what I've said thus far by saying that I don't know for
| sure that those last instructions are necessary to NT/2K *OR* 9x
| systems.

Neither do I, but, as John John said... If Time/Date Properties were
used to advance the date, then clicking OK to that filled the other
Registry key...
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\TimeZoneInformation

I'm thinking, if DOS was used, then...

(a) Something like NisTime could have done it.
(b) What was the prior EST date?
Whatever... likely it was passed too!

I did a fresh, clean install of Windows 98SE to test this and I can
confirm that the time changes will NOT happen unless the contents of the
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\TimeZoneInformation]
are refreshed to reflect the changes made in the
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Time
Zones] keys.

I did regsnaps of the key in question, applied Gary's fix and rebooted.
To do the test I rebooted and adjusted the time and date in the BIOS.
After rebooting, the time did not change at the new DST ordered date
and time without doing additional steps to have Windows update the
information in the registry. To have Windows reload the key I simply
clicked on the Toolbar clock "Adjust Date/Time" and just clicked once on
the up/down ↑↓ time adjust arrow, just one simple click to get the
applet to activate and offer the "Apply" option. Clicking on "Apply"
forced Windows to reread and load the correct information in the key.
Only after doing this step did the time advance as expected at the right
date and time.

Clicking the "Apply" button in the Date/Time applet caused Windows to
update 2 values in the CurrentControlSet key:

----------------------------------
Values modified:2
----------------------------------
HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\TimeZoneInfo rmation\StandardStart:
00 00 0A 00 00 00 05 00 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\TimeZoneInfo rmation\StandardStart:
00 00 0B 00 00 00 01 00 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\TimeZoneInfo rmation\DaylightStart:
00 00 04 00 00 00 01 00 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\TimeZoneInfo rmation\DaylightStart:
00 00 03 00 00 00 02 00 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

----------------------------------
Total changes:2
----------------------------------


John

1. I don't see how NisTime can update DST or even TZ info, since it's TZ
agnostic. The info provided is time/date GMT, period. Your own PC has to
account for the proper offset from GMT and whether it's DST or STD, etc.

2. I don't know what DOS has to do with it, either. Windows updates the BIOS
date/clock according to it's needs. DOS has no concept of DST, etc., Yes,
you can set the BIOS date/time using DOS, but there's nothing automatic
about it.

3. I'll probably have more answers by morning. Have managed to install VPC
here and am insomniac.

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User

"PCR" wrote in message
...
Gary S. Terhune wrote:
| I'll update what I've said thus far by saying that I don't know for
| sure that those last instructions are necessary to NT/2K *OR* 9x
| systems.

Neither do I, but, as John John said... If Time/Date Properties were
used to advance the date, then clicking OK to that filled the other
Registry key...
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\TimeZoneInformation

I'm thinking, if DOS was used, then...

(a) Something like NisTime could have done it.
(b) What was the prior EST date?
Whatever... likely it was passed too!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR