OT. Microsoft Says Recovery from Malware Becoming Impossible !

Come on now H. I know things are rumored to be bigger in
Texas but mowing for over two months....no lawn is THAT big.
bg

Job says, "Hard work pays off in the future. Laziness pays
off now."


"Heirloom" wrote in message
...
Job says, "It's purt nigh spring here in Virginny!"
It's no doubt summer in Texas..........forecast 84 today
and I have been
mowing for over two months.
Heirloom, old and can't take
the heat (avoids
kitchens)

"Job" wrote in message
...
Well young fellow, I don't swear by it and hope I never
have
to swear at it.

Job says, "It's purt nigh spring here in Virginny!"


"Heirloom" wrote in message
...
Hey Job!!! You ol' cat hair! Just because I have
sworn
against all
things Norton doesn't mean there is not some good still
out there! You know
you can't trust an old f*rt. I just happen to use and
like Acronis, but, I
do know many folks that swear by Ghost.............
Heirloom, old and
whatever
crumbles your
cookie

"Job" wrote in message
...
Heirloom you are still around are you. I slip by
here
regularly to see who is picking on you.

About backup - hope you are wrong about Norton. I
build
my
hard drive images on CDs with Ghost, I haven't
restored
with it yet but build and test functions seem to work
fine.
Matter of fact I built an image (on 5 CDs) just this
morning. I make 2 copies ever time I bild and image
and
am
confident I will be able to restore if needed.
(Psst,
watch
this.)
NORTON RULES!

Job says, "The power of hopeful thinking leads to
opportunities to excel."


"Heirloom" wrote in message
...
Personally, I use Acronis True Image. I have tested
it
thoroughly and have
been quite pleased. There are those that swear by
Norton
Ghost.........you
know me and Norton, if it says Symantec or Norton on
it....I don't want it.
And you don't really need a "monster" HD. I have
four
HD's.....2x80G in a
Raid 0 config, 1 x 80G for misc. data and 1 x 300G
(partitioned to
accomodate the Raid and the data HD. (Acronis has
three
or four different
compression settings for the backups. I use no
compression for my pristine
backup and minimal on the others). Plus I have a
'protected' section for my
pristine backup, that cannot be accessed by any
Windows
program except
Acronis. Just my humble thoughts..........YMMV.
Heirloom, old and it
works
for me

"Joe Starin" wrote
in
message

. net...
Hi, Heirloom. Greetings from the Buckeye State.
Caught
your comment about
backing up a system. Sounds like a monster
external
hard
drive is the way
to go. But what app/program would make the whole
process
easy? I know this
topic has been covered before in these NGs, but
just
wanted to jump right
in now before I move on and forget about the whole
thing. Joe Starin

"Heirloom" wrote in message
...
All the more reason to have 'full disk' backups
on a
seperate HD
(preferably removable). And, the set of backups
should
contain, at
least, one 'pristine' copy of the OS and
installed
software. BTW,
www.sysinternals.com offers a free Rootkit
Revealer
app......doesn't
remove anything, but, does point you in the right
direction. If nothing
else, you would know when to use one of earlier
said
backups :-).
Heirloom, old
and
backups are best

"webster72n" wrote in
message
...

John:

I have gotten used to the idea already and
learned
to
cope with it. As
always: *Safe Hex* goes a long way and the rest
is
plain awareness for
the
personal user. In business one will have to use
more
stringent methods.

Harry.


"John John" wrote in
message
...
Microsoft Says Recovery from Malware Becoming
Impossible !

In a rare discussion about the severity of the
Windows malware scourge,
a Microsoft security official said businesses
should
consider investing
in an automated process to wipe hard drives and
reinstall operating
systems as a practical way to recover from
malware
infestation.

"When you are dealing with rootkits and some
advanced
spyware programs,
the only solution is to rebuild from scratch.
In
some
cases, there
really is no way to recover without nuking the
systems from orbit,"
Mike
Danseglio, program manager in the Security
Solutions
group at
Microsoft,
said in a presentation at the InfoSec World
conference...

http://umeshsoft.blogspot.com/

It's not really news to those in the know but
these
rootkits will be
the
bane of the computing world in no time. (Ask
Sony
customers what they
think of rootkits!) I would think however that
tools
that scan drives
when they are offline should be able to "root"
these
rootkits. Still,
more trash to give computer users headaches.

John

His ride-on lawn mower is really slow.

John

Job wrote:
Come on now H. I know things are rumored to be bigger in
Texas but mowing for over two months....no lawn is THAT big.
bg

Job says, "Hard work pays off in the future. Laziness pays
off now."


"Heirloom" wrote in message
...

Job says, "It's purt nigh spring here in Virginny!"
It's no doubt summer in Texas..........forecast 84 today

and I have been

mowing for over two months.
Heirloom, old and can't take

the heat (avoids

kitchens)

"Job" wrote in message
.. .

Well young fellow, I don't swear by it and hope I never

have

to swear at it.

Job says, "It's purt nigh spring here in Virginny!"


"Heirloom" wrote in message
...

Hey Job!!! You ol' cat hair! Just because I have

sworn

against all

things Norton doesn't mean there is not some good still

out there! You know

you can't trust an old f*rt. I just happen to use and

like Acronis, but, I

do know many folks that swear by Ghost.............
Heirloom, old and

whatever

crumbles your

cookie

"Job" wrote in message
.. .

Heirloom you are still around are you. I slip by

here

regularly to see who is picking on you.

About backup - hope you are wrong about Norton. I

build

my

hard drive images on CDs with Ghost, I haven't

restored

with it yet but build and test functions seem to work

fine.

Matter of fact I built an image (on 5 CDs) just this
morning. I make 2 copies ever time I bild and image

and

am

confident I will be able to restore if needed.

(Psst,

watch

this.)
NORTON RULES!

Job says, "The power of hopeful thinking leads to
opportunities to excel."


"Heirloom" wrote in message
. ..

Personally, I use Acronis True Image. I have tested

it

thoroughly and have

been quite pleased. There are those that swear by

Norton

Ghost.........you

know me and Norton, if it says Symantec or Norton on

it....I don't want it.

And you don't really need a "monster" HD. I have

four

HD's.....2x80G in a

Raid 0 config, 1 x 80G for misc. data and 1 x 300G

(partitioned to

accomodate the Raid and the data HD. (Acronis has

three

or four different

compression settings for the backups. I use no

compression for my pristine

backup and minimal on the others). Plus I have a

'protected' section for my

pristine backup, that cannot be accessed by any

Windows

program except

Acronis. Just my humble thoughts..........YMMV.
Heirloom, old and it

works

for me

"Joe Starin" wrote

in

message

gy.net...

Hi, Heirloom. Greetings from the Buckeye State.

Caught

your comment about

backing up a system. Sounds like a monster

external

hard

drive is the way

to go. But what app/program would make the whole

process

easy? I know this

topic has been covered before in these NGs, but

just

wanted to jump right

in now before I move on and forget about the whole

thing. Joe Starin

"Heirloom" wrote in message
. ..

All the more reason to have 'full disk' backups

on a

seperate HD

(preferably removable). And, the set of backups

should

contain, at

least, one 'pristine' copy of the OS and

installed

software. BTW,

www.sysinternals.com offers a free Rootkit

Revealer

app......doesn't

remove anything, but, does point you in the right

direction. If nothing

else, you would know when to use one of earlier

said

backups :-).

Heirloom, old

and

backups are best

"webster72n" wrote in

message

...

John:

I have gotten used to the idea already and

learned

to

cope with it. As

always: *Safe Hex* goes a long way and the rest

is

plain awareness for

the
personal user. In business one will have to use

more

stringent methods.

Harry.


"John John" wrote in

message

. gbl...

Microsoft Says Recovery from Malware Becoming

Impossible !

In a rare discussion about the severity of the

Windows malware scourge,

a Microsoft security official said businesses

should

consider investing

in an automated process to wipe hard drives and

reinstall operating

systems as a practical way to recover from

malware

infestation.

"When you are dealing with rootkits and some

advanced

spyware programs,

the only solution is to rebuild from scratch.

In

some

cases, there

really is no way to recover without nuking the

systems from orbit,"

Mike
Danseglio, program manager in the Security

Solutions

group at

Microsoft,
said in a presentation at the InfoSec World

conference...

http://umeshsoft.blogspot.com/

It's not really news to those in the know but

these

rootkits will be

the
bane of the computing world in no time. (Ask

Sony

customers what they

think of rootkits!) I would think however that

tools

that scan drives

when they are offline should be able to "root"

these

rootkits. Still,

more trash to give computer users headaches.

John

ROFL
That's a good one Job, but watch out he's sure to come back with a classic
g
Joan


Job wrote:
Come on now H. I know things are rumored to be bigger in
Texas but mowing for over two months....no lawn is THAT big.
bg

Job says, "Hard work pays off in the future. Laziness pays
off now."

ROFL
He can't quite get it tuned up to his motorbike specs. g
Joan


John John wrote:
His ride-on lawn mower is really slow.

John

By the time I finish the 'back 40' the 'front 40' needs it again. Still
trying to figure out how to attach a mower deck to the 'beast'.
I figure mowing at 100+mph it wouldn't take long to 'git er dun.'
Heirloom, old and you know what I meant

"Job" wrote in message
...
Come on now H. I know things are rumored to be bigger in
Texas but mowing for over two months....no lawn is THAT big.
bg

Job says, "Hard work pays off in the future. Laziness pays
off now."


"Heirloom" wrote in message
...
Job says, "It's purt nigh spring here in Virginny!"
It's no doubt summer in Texas..........forecast 84 today
and I have been
mowing for over two months.
Heirloom, old and can't take
the heat (avoids
kitchens)

"Job" wrote in message
...
Well young fellow, I don't swear by it and hope I never
have
to swear at it.

Job says, "It's purt nigh spring here in Virginny!"


"Heirloom" wrote in message
...
Hey Job!!! You ol' cat hair! Just because I have
sworn
against all
things Norton doesn't mean there is not some good still
out there! You know
you can't trust an old f*rt. I just happen to use and
like Acronis, but, I
do know many folks that swear by Ghost.............
Heirloom, old and
whatever
crumbles your
cookie

"Job" wrote in message
...
Heirloom you are still around are you. I slip by
here
regularly to see who is picking on you.

About backup - hope you are wrong about Norton. I
build
my
hard drive images on CDs with Ghost, I haven't
restored
with it yet but build and test functions seem to work
fine.
Matter of fact I built an image (on 5 CDs) just this
morning. I make 2 copies ever time I bild and image
and
am
confident I will be able to restore if needed.
(Psst,
watch
this.)
NORTON RULES!

Job says, "The power of hopeful thinking leads to
opportunities to excel."


"Heirloom" wrote in message
...
Personally, I use Acronis True Image. I have tested
it
thoroughly and have
been quite pleased. There are those that swear by
Norton
Ghost.........you
know me and Norton, if it says Symantec or Norton on
it....I don't want it.
And you don't really need a "monster" HD. I have
four
HD's.....2x80G in a
Raid 0 config, 1 x 80G for misc. data and 1 x 300G
(partitioned to
accomodate the Raid and the data HD. (Acronis has
three
or four different
compression settings for the backups. I use no
compression for my pristine
backup and minimal on the others). Plus I have a
'protected' section for my
pristine backup, that cannot be accessed by any
Windows
program except
Acronis. Just my humble thoughts..........YMMV.
Heirloom, old and it
works
for me

"Joe Starin" wrote
in
message

. net...
Hi, Heirloom. Greetings from the Buckeye State.
Caught
your comment about
backing up a system. Sounds like a monster
external
hard
drive is the way
to go. But what app/program would make the whole
process
easy? I know this
topic has been covered before in these NGs, but
just
wanted to jump right
in now before I move on and forget about the whole
thing. Joe Starin

"Heirloom" wrote in message
...
All the more reason to have 'full disk' backups
on a
seperate HD
(preferably removable). And, the set of backups
should
contain, at
least, one 'pristine' copy of the OS and
installed
software. BTW,
www.sysinternals.com offers a free Rootkit
Revealer
app......doesn't
remove anything, but, does point you in the right
direction. If nothing
else, you would know when to use one of earlier
said
backups :-).
Heirloom, old
and
backups are best

"webster72n" wrote in
message
...

John:

I have gotten used to the idea already and
learned
to
cope with it. As
always: *Safe Hex* goes a long way and the rest
is
plain awareness for
the
personal user. In business one will have to use
more
stringent methods.

Harry.


"John John" wrote in
message
...
Microsoft Says Recovery from Malware Becoming
Impossible !

In a rare discussion about the severity of the
Windows malware scourge,
a Microsoft security official said businesses
should
consider investing
in an automated process to wipe hard drives and
reinstall operating
systems as a practical way to recover from
malware
infestation.

"When you are dealing with rootkits and some
advanced
spyware programs,
the only solution is to rebuild from scratch.
In
some
cases, there
really is no way to recover without nuking the
systems from orbit,"
Mike
Danseglio, program manager in the Security
Solutions
group at
Microsoft,
said in a presentation at the InfoSec World
conference...

http://umeshsoft.blogspot.com/

It's not really news to those in the know but
these
rootkits will be
the
bane of the computing world in no time. (Ask
Sony
customers what they
think of rootkits!) I would think however that
tools
that scan drives
when they are offline should be able to "root"
these
rootkits. Still,
more trash to give computer users headaches.

John