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April 6th 06, 02:51 AM
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OT. Microsoft Says Recovery from Malware Becoming Impossible !
Microsoft Says Recovery from Malware Becoming Impossible !
In a rare discussion about the severity of the Windows malware scourge, a Microsoft security official said businesses should consider investing in an automated process to wipe hard drives and reinstall operating systems as a practical way to recover from malware infestation. "When you are dealing with rootkits and some advanced spyware programs, the only solution is to rebuild from scratch. In some cases, there really is no way to recover without nuking the systems from orbit," Mike Danseglio, program manager in the Security Solutions group at Microsoft, said in a presentation at the InfoSec World conference... http://umeshsoft.blogspot.com/ It's not really news to those in the know but these rootkits will be the bane of the computing world in no time. (Ask Sony customers what they think of rootkits!) I would think however that tools that scan drives when they are offline should be able to "root" these rootkits. Still, more trash to give computer users headaches. John 
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April 6th 06, 04:33 AM
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OT. Microsoft Says Recovery from Malware Becoming Impossible !
John: I have gotten used to the idea already and learned to cope with it. As always: *Safe Hex* goes a long way and the rest is plain awareness for the personal user. In business one will have to use more stringent methods. Harry. "John John" wrote in message ... Microsoft Says Recovery from Malware Becoming Impossible ! In a rare discussion about the severity of the Windows malware scourge, a Microsoft security official said businesses should consider investing in an automated process to wipe hard drives and reinstall operating systems as a practical way to recover from malware infestation. "When you are dealing with rootkits and some advanced spyware programs, the only solution is to rebuild from scratch. In some cases, there really is no way to recover without nuking the systems from orbit," Mike Danseglio, program manager in the Security Solutions group at Microsoft, said in a presentation at the InfoSec World conference... http://umeshsoft.blogspot.com/ It's not really news to those in the know but these rootkits will be the bane of the computing world in no time. (Ask Sony customers what they think of rootkits!) I would think however that tools that scan drives when they are offline should be able to "root" these rootkits. Still, more trash to give computer users headaches. John
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April 6th 06, 06:14 AM
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OT. Microsoft Says Recovery from Malware Becoming Impossible !
All the more reason to have 'full disk' backups on a seperate HD (preferably
removable). And, the set of backups should contain, at least, one 'pristine' copy of the OS and installed software. BTW, www.sysinternals.com offers a free Rootkit Revealer app......doesn't remove anything, but, does point you in the right direction. If nothing else, you would know when to use one of earlier said backups :-). Heirloom, old and backups are best "webster72n" wrote in message ... John: I have gotten used to the idea already and learned to cope with it. As always: *Safe Hex* goes a long way and the rest is plain awareness for the personal user. In business one will have to use more stringent methods. Harry. "John John" wrote in message ... Microsoft Says Recovery from Malware Becoming Impossible ! In a rare discussion about the severity of the Windows malware scourge, a Microsoft security official said businesses should consider investing in an automated process to wipe hard drives and reinstall operating systems as a practical way to recover from malware infestation. "When you are dealing with rootkits and some advanced spyware programs, the only solution is to rebuild from scratch. In some cases, there really is no way to recover without nuking the systems from orbit," Mike Danseglio, program manager in the Security Solutions group at Microsoft, said in a presentation at the InfoSec World conference... http://umeshsoft.blogspot.com/ It's not really news to those in the know but these rootkits will be the bane of the computing world in no time. (Ask Sony customers what they think of rootkits!) I would think however that tools that scan drives when they are offline should be able to "root" these rootkits. Still, more trash to give computer users headaches. John
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April 6th 06, 03:20 PM
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OT. Microsoft Says Recovery from Malware Becoming Impossible !
No question about that, H, back-up is essential and preferrably the way you suggest. In the end we are going "to lick this thing", one way or another? Harry. "Heirloom" wrote in message ... All the more reason to have 'full disk' backups on a seperate HD (preferably removable). And, the set of backups should contain, at least, one 'pristine' copy of the OS and installed software. BTW, www.sysinternals.com offers a free Rootkit Revealer app......doesn't remove anything, but, does point you in the right direction. If nothing else, you would know when to use one of earlier said backups :-). Heirloom, old and backups are best "webster72n" wrote in message ... John: I have gotten used to the idea already and learned to cope with it. As always: *Safe Hex* goes a long way and the rest is plain awareness for the personal user. In business one will have to use more stringent methods. Harry. "John John" wrote in message ... Microsoft Says Recovery from Malware Becoming Impossible ! In a rare discussion about the severity of the Windows malware scourge, a Microsoft security official said businesses should consider investing in an automated process to wipe hard drives and reinstall operating systems as a practical way to recover from malware infestation. "When you are dealing with rootkits and some advanced spyware programs, the only solution is to rebuild from scratch. In some cases, there really is no way to recover without nuking the systems from orbit," Mike Danseglio, program manager in the Security Solutions group at Microsoft, said in a presentation at the InfoSec World conference... http://umeshsoft.blogspot.com/ It's not really news to those in the know but these rootkits will be the bane of the computing world in no time. (Ask Sony customers what they think of rootkits!) I would think however that tools that scan drives when they are offline should be able to "root" these rootkits. Still, more trash to give computer users headaches. John
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April 7th 06, 12:22 AM
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OT. Microsoft Says Recovery from Malware Becoming Impossible !
Hi, Heirloom. Greetings from the Buckeye State. Caught your comment about
backing up a system. Sounds like a monster external hard drive is the way to go. But what app/program would make the whole process easy? I know this topic has been covered before in these NGs, but just wanted to jump right in now before I move on and forget about the whole thing. Joe Starin "Heirloom" wrote in message ... All the more reason to have 'full disk' backups on a seperate HD (preferably removable). And, the set of backups should contain, at least, one 'pristine' copy of the OS and installed software. BTW, www.sysinternals.com offers a free Rootkit Revealer app......doesn't remove anything, but, does point you in the right direction. If nothing else, you would know when to use one of earlier said backups :-). Heirloom, old and backups are best "webster72n" wrote in message ... John: I have gotten used to the idea already and learned to cope with it. As always: *Safe Hex* goes a long way and the rest is plain awareness for the personal user. In business one will have to use more stringent methods. Harry. "John John" wrote in message ... Microsoft Says Recovery from Malware Becoming Impossible ! In a rare discussion about the severity of the Windows malware scourge, a Microsoft security official said businesses should consider investing in an automated process to wipe hard drives and reinstall operating systems as a practical way to recover from malware infestation. "When you are dealing with rootkits and some advanced spyware programs, the only solution is to rebuild from scratch. In some cases, there really is no way to recover without nuking the systems from orbit," Mike Danseglio, program manager in the Security Solutions group at Microsoft, said in a presentation at the InfoSec World conference... http://umeshsoft.blogspot.com/ It's not really news to those in the know but these rootkits will be the bane of the computing world in no time. (Ask Sony customers what they think of rootkits!) I would think however that tools that scan drives when they are offline should be able to "root" these rootkits. Still, more trash to give computer users headaches. John
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April 7th 06, 02:37 AM
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OT. Microsoft Says Recovery from Malware Becoming Impossible !
Personally, I use Acronis True Image. I have tested it thoroughly and have
been quite pleased. There are those that swear by Norton Ghost.........you know me and Norton, if it says Symantec or Norton on it....I don't want it. And you don't really need a "monster" HD. I have four HD's.....2x80G in a Raid 0 config, 1 x 80G for misc. data and 1 x 300G (partitioned to accomodate the Raid and the data HD. (Acronis has three or four different compression settings for the backups. I use no compression for my pristine backup and minimal on the others). Plus I have a 'protected' section for my pristine backup, that cannot be accessed by any Windows program except Acronis. Just my humble thoughts..........YMMV. Heirloom, old and it works for me "Joe Starin" wrote in message . net... Hi, Heirloom. Greetings from the Buckeye State. Caught your comment about backing up a system. Sounds like a monster external hard drive is the way to go. But what app/program would make the whole process easy? I know this topic has been covered before in these NGs, but just wanted to jump right in now before I move on and forget about the whole thing. Joe Starin "Heirloom" wrote in message ... All the more reason to have 'full disk' backups on a seperate HD (preferably removable). And, the set of backups should contain, at least, one 'pristine' copy of the OS and installed software. BTW, www.sysinternals.com offers a free Rootkit Revealer app......doesn't remove anything, but, does point you in the right direction. If nothing else, you would know when to use one of earlier said backups :-). Heirloom, old and backups are best "webster72n" wrote in message ... John: I have gotten used to the idea already and learned to cope with it. As always: *Safe Hex* goes a long way and the rest is plain awareness for the personal user. In business one will have to use more stringent methods. Harry. "John John" wrote in message ... Microsoft Says Recovery from Malware Becoming Impossible ! In a rare discussion about the severity of the Windows malware scourge, a Microsoft security official said businesses should consider investing in an automated process to wipe hard drives and reinstall operating systems as a practical way to recover from malware infestation. "When you are dealing with rootkits and some advanced spyware programs, the only solution is to rebuild from scratch. In some cases, there really is no way to recover without nuking the systems from orbit," Mike Danseglio, program manager in the Security Solutions group at Microsoft, said in a presentation at the InfoSec World conference... http://umeshsoft.blogspot.com/ It's not really news to those in the know but these rootkits will be the bane of the computing world in no time. (Ask Sony customers what they think of rootkits!) I would think however that tools that scan drives when they are offline should be able to "root" these rootkits. Still, more trash to give computer users headaches. John
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April 7th 06, 03:09 AM
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OT. Microsoft Says Recovery from Malware Becoming Impossible !
Heirloom you are still around are you. I slip by here
regularly to see who is picking on you. About backup - hope you are wrong about Norton. I build my hard drive images on CDs with Ghost, I haven't restored with it yet but build and test functions seem to work fine. Matter of fact I built an image (on 5 CDs) just this morning. I make 2 copies ever time I bild and image and am confident I will be able to restore if needed. (Psst, watch this.) NORTON RULES! Job says, "The power of hopeful thinking leads to opportunities to excel." "Heirloom" wrote in message ... Personally, I use Acronis True Image. I have tested it thoroughly and have been quite pleased. There are those that swear by Norton Ghost.........you know me and Norton, if it says Symantec or Norton on it....I don't want it. And you don't really need a "monster" HD. I have four HD's.....2x80G in a Raid 0 config, 1 x 80G for misc. data and 1 x 300G (partitioned to accomodate the Raid and the data HD. (Acronis has three or four different compression settings for the backups. I use no compression for my pristine backup and minimal on the others). Plus I have a 'protected' section for my pristine backup, that cannot be accessed by any Windows program except Acronis. Just my humble thoughts..........YMMV. Heirloom, old and it works for me "Joe Starin" wrote in message . net... Hi, Heirloom. Greetings from the Buckeye State. Caught your comment about backing up a system. Sounds like a monster external hard drive is the way to go. But what app/program would make the whole process easy? I know this topic has been covered before in these NGs, but just wanted to jump right in now before I move on and forget about the whole thing. Joe Starin "Heirloom" wrote in message ... All the more reason to have 'full disk' backups on a seperate HD (preferably removable). And, the set of backups should contain, at least, one 'pristine' copy of the OS and installed software. BTW, www.sysinternals.com offers a free Rootkit Revealer app......doesn't remove anything, but, does point you in the right direction. If nothing else, you would know when to use one of earlier said backups :-). Heirloom, old and backups are best "webster72n" wrote in message ... John: I have gotten used to the idea already and learned to cope with it. As always: *Safe Hex* goes a long way and the rest is plain awareness for the personal user. In business one will have to use more stringent methods. Harry. "John John" wrote in message ... Microsoft Says Recovery from Malware Becoming Impossible ! In a rare discussion about the severity of the Windows malware scourge, a Microsoft security official said businesses should consider investing in an automated process to wipe hard drives and reinstall operating systems as a practical way to recover from malware infestation. "When you are dealing with rootkits and some advanced spyware programs, the only solution is to rebuild from scratch. In some cases, there really is no way to recover without nuking the systems from orbit," Mike Danseglio, program manager in the Security Solutions group at Microsoft, said in a presentation at the InfoSec World conference... http://umeshsoft.blogspot.com/ It's not really news to those in the know but these rootkits will be the bane of the computing world in no time. (Ask Sony customers what they think of rootkits!) I would think however that tools that scan drives when they are offline should be able to "root" these rootkits. Still, more trash to give computer users headaches. John
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April 7th 06, 04:42 AM
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OT. Microsoft Says Recovery from Malware Becoming Impossible !
Hey Job!!! You ol' cat hair! Just because I have sworn against all
things Norton doesn't mean there is not some good still out there! You know you can't trust an old f*rt. I just happen to use and like Acronis, but, I do know many folks that swear by Ghost............. Heirloom, old and whatever crumbles your cookie "Job" wrote in message ... Heirloom you are still around are you. I slip by here regularly to see who is picking on you. About backup - hope you are wrong about Norton. I build my hard drive images on CDs with Ghost, I haven't restored with it yet but build and test functions seem to work fine. Matter of fact I built an image (on 5 CDs) just this morning. I make 2 copies ever time I bild and image and am confident I will be able to restore if needed. (Psst, watch this.) NORTON RULES! Job says, "The power of hopeful thinking leads to opportunities to excel." "Heirloom" wrote in message ... Personally, I use Acronis True Image. I have tested it thoroughly and have been quite pleased. There are those that swear by Norton Ghost.........you know me and Norton, if it says Symantec or Norton on it....I don't want it. And you don't really need a "monster" HD. I have four HD's.....2x80G in a Raid 0 config, 1 x 80G for misc. data and 1 x 300G (partitioned to accomodate the Raid and the data HD. (Acronis has three or four different compression settings for the backups. I use no compression for my pristine backup and minimal on the others). Plus I have a 'protected' section for my pristine backup, that cannot be accessed by any Windows program except Acronis. Just my humble thoughts..........YMMV. Heirloom, old and it works for me "Joe Starin" wrote in message . net... Hi, Heirloom. Greetings from the Buckeye State. Caught your comment about backing up a system. Sounds like a monster external hard drive is the way to go. But what app/program would make the whole process easy? I know this topic has been covered before in these NGs, but just wanted to jump right in now before I move on and forget about the whole thing. Joe Starin "Heirloom" wrote in message ... All the more reason to have 'full disk' backups on a seperate HD (preferably removable). And, the set of backups should contain, at least, one 'pristine' copy of the OS and installed software. BTW, www.sysinternals.com offers a free Rootkit Revealer app......doesn't remove anything, but, does point you in the right direction. If nothing else, you would know when to use one of earlier said backups :-). Heirloom, old and backups are best "webster72n" wrote in message ... John: I have gotten used to the idea already and learned to cope with it. As always: *Safe Hex* goes a long way and the rest is plain awareness for the personal user. In business one will have to use more stringent methods. Harry. "John John" wrote in message ... Microsoft Says Recovery from Malware Becoming Impossible ! In a rare discussion about the severity of the Windows malware scourge, a Microsoft security official said businesses should consider investing in an automated process to wipe hard drives and reinstall operating systems as a practical way to recover from malware infestation. "When you are dealing with rootkits and some advanced spyware programs, the only solution is to rebuild from scratch. In some cases, there really is no way to recover without nuking the systems from orbit," Mike Danseglio, program manager in the Security Solutions group at Microsoft, said in a presentation at the InfoSec World conference... http://umeshsoft.blogspot.com/ It's not really news to those in the know but these rootkits will be the bane of the computing world in no time. (Ask Sony customers what they think of rootkits!) I would think however that tools that scan drives when they are offline should be able to "root" these rootkits. Still, more trash to give computer users headaches. John
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April 7th 06, 05:55 AM
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OT. Microsoft Says Recovery from Malware Becoming Impossible !
Well young fellow, I don't swear by it and hope I never have
to swear at it. Job says, "It's purt nigh spring here in Virginny!" "Heirloom" wrote in message ... Hey Job!!! You ol' cat hair! Just because I have sworn against all things Norton doesn't mean there is not some good still out there! You know you can't trust an old f*rt. I just happen to use and like Acronis, but, I do know many folks that swear by Ghost............. Heirloom, old and whatever crumbles your cookie "Job" wrote in message ... Heirloom you are still around are you. I slip by here regularly to see who is picking on you. About backup - hope you are wrong about Norton. I build my hard drive images on CDs with Ghost, I haven't restored with it yet but build and test functions seem to work fine. Matter of fact I built an image (on 5 CDs) just this morning. I make 2 copies ever time I bild and image and am confident I will be able to restore if needed. (Psst, watch this.) NORTON RULES! Job says, "The power of hopeful thinking leads to opportunities to excel." "Heirloom" wrote in message ... Personally, I use Acronis True Image. I have tested it thoroughly and have been quite pleased. There are those that swear by Norton Ghost.........you know me and Norton, if it says Symantec or Norton on it....I don't want it. And you don't really need a "monster" HD. I have four HD's.....2x80G in a Raid 0 config, 1 x 80G for misc. data and 1 x 300G (partitioned to accomodate the Raid and the data HD. (Acronis has three or four different compression settings for the backups. I use no compression for my pristine backup and minimal on the others). Plus I have a 'protected' section for my pristine backup, that cannot be accessed by any Windows program except Acronis. Just my humble thoughts..........YMMV. Heirloom, old and it works for me "Joe Starin" wrote in message . net... Hi, Heirloom. Greetings from the Buckeye State. Caught your comment about backing up a system. Sounds like a monster external hard drive is the way to go. But what app/program would make the whole process easy? I know this topic has been covered before in these NGs, but just wanted to jump right in now before I move on and forget about the whole thing. Joe Starin "Heirloom" wrote in message ... All the more reason to have 'full disk' backups on a seperate HD (preferably removable). And, the set of backups should contain, at least, one 'pristine' copy of the OS and installed software. BTW, www.sysinternals.com offers a free Rootkit Revealer app......doesn't remove anything, but, does point you in the right direction. If nothing else, you would know when to use one of earlier said backups :-). Heirloom, old and backups are best "webster72n" wrote in message ... John: I have gotten used to the idea already and learned to cope with it. As always: *Safe Hex* goes a long way and the rest is plain awareness for the personal user. In business one will have to use more stringent methods. Harry. "John John" wrote in message ... Microsoft Says Recovery from Malware Becoming Impossible ! In a rare discussion about the severity of the Windows malware scourge, a Microsoft security official said businesses should consider investing in an automated process to wipe hard drives and reinstall operating systems as a practical way to recover from malware infestation. "When you are dealing with rootkits and some advanced spyware programs, the only solution is to rebuild from scratch. In some cases, there really is no way to recover without nuking the systems from orbit," Mike Danseglio, program manager in the Security Solutions group at Microsoft, said in a presentation at the InfoSec World conference... http://umeshsoft.blogspot.com/ It's not really news to those in the know but these rootkits will be the bane of the computing world in no time. (Ask Sony customers what they think of rootkits!) I would think however that tools that scan drives when they are offline should be able to "root" these rootkits. Still, more trash to give computer users headaches. John
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April 7th 06, 04:03 PM
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OT. Microsoft Says Recovery from Malware Becoming Impossible !
Job says, "It's purt nigh spring here in Virginny!"
It's no doubt summer in Texas..........forecast 84 today and I have been mowing for over two months. Heirloom, old and can't take the heat (avoids kitchens) "Job" wrote in message ... Well young fellow, I don't swear by it and hope I never have to swear at it. Job says, "It's purt nigh spring here in Virginny!" "Heirloom" wrote in message ... Hey Job!!! You ol' cat hair! Just because I have sworn against all things Norton doesn't mean there is not some good still out there! You know you can't trust an old f*rt. I just happen to use and like Acronis, but, I do know many folks that swear by Ghost............. Heirloom, old and whatever crumbles your cookie "Job" wrote in message ... Heirloom you are still around are you. I slip by here regularly to see who is picking on you. About backup - hope you are wrong about Norton. I build my hard drive images on CDs with Ghost, I haven't restored with it yet but build and test functions seem to work fine. Matter of fact I built an image (on 5 CDs) just this morning. I make 2 copies ever time I bild and image and am confident I will be able to restore if needed. (Psst, watch this.) NORTON RULES! Job says, "The power of hopeful thinking leads to opportunities to excel." "Heirloom" wrote in message ... Personally, I use Acronis True Image. I have tested it thoroughly and have been quite pleased. There are those that swear by Norton Ghost.........you know me and Norton, if it says Symantec or Norton on it....I don't want it. And you don't really need a "monster" HD. I have four HD's.....2x80G in a Raid 0 config, 1 x 80G for misc. data and 1 x 300G (partitioned to accomodate the Raid and the data HD. (Acronis has three or four different compression settings for the backups. I use no compression for my pristine backup and minimal on the others). Plus I have a 'protected' section for my pristine backup, that cannot be accessed by any Windows program except Acronis. Just my humble thoughts..........YMMV. Heirloom, old and it works for me "Joe Starin" wrote in message . net... Hi, Heirloom. Greetings from the Buckeye State. Caught your comment about backing up a system. Sounds like a monster external hard drive is the way to go. But what app/program would make the whole process easy? I know this topic has been covered before in these NGs, but just wanted to jump right in now before I move on and forget about the whole thing. Joe Starin "Heirloom" wrote in message ... All the more reason to have 'full disk' backups on a seperate HD (preferably removable). And, the set of backups should contain, at least, one 'pristine' copy of the OS and installed software. BTW, www.sysinternals.com offers a free Rootkit Revealer app......doesn't remove anything, but, does point you in the right direction. If nothing else, you would know when to use one of earlier said backups :-). Heirloom, old and backups are best "webster72n" wrote in message ... John: I have gotten used to the idea already and learned to cope with it. As always: *Safe Hex* goes a long way and the rest is plain awareness for the personal user. In business one will have to use more stringent methods. Harry. "John John" wrote in message ... Microsoft Says Recovery from Malware Becoming Impossible ! In a rare discussion about the severity of the Windows malware scourge, a Microsoft security official said businesses should consider investing in an automated process to wipe hard drives and reinstall operating systems as a practical way to recover from malware infestation. "When you are dealing with rootkits and some advanced spyware programs, the only solution is to rebuild from scratch. In some cases, there really is no way to recover without nuking the systems from orbit," Mike Danseglio, program manager in the Security Solutions group at Microsoft, said in a presentation at the InfoSec World conference... http://umeshsoft.blogspot.com/ It's not really news to those in the know but these rootkits will be the bane of the computing world in no time. (Ask Sony customers what they think of rootkits!) I would think however that tools that scan drives when they are offline should be able to "root" these rootkits. Still, more trash to give computer users headaches. John
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