Help with logo.sys

Alan,

It appears the poster concerned has little knowledge of the subject since
a simple experiment such as the one you (and I) have performed quickly
proves that he is talking rubbish. :-)
--
Mike Maltby



Alan Edwards wrote:

Incorrect.

I found no way sulogo.sys would be used, whether logo.sys was there or
not.

1. I booted Win ME with no sulogo.sys or logo.sys
The default screen came up.

2. I put sulogo.sys (turned upside down to be obvious)
It was not used.

3. I renamed sulogo.sys to logo.sys (just to check I had modified it
correctly)
It was now used.

4. I put in both a modifed sulogo.sys and a modifed logo.sys
Logo.sys was used.

OK. Cheers Mike. I thought I'd seen some KB article about it once, but
probably actually saw an answer in some forum in which as the questioner was
British, that's the nationality specifically referred to.

Shane


"Mike M" wrote in message
...
Shane,

AFAIK the problem exists if the user chooses to use any code pages other
than the default as the splash goes when a non default code page is
loaded. If the OP is using a French Canadian keyboard that would cause
the problem.
--
Mike


Shane wrote:

Right. Post back if you have any success! I'd be fascinated to know,
but have only seen it mentioned with ref British. Otherwise it is
generally quicker in ME than, eg 98se.

I don't recall previously noticing this, eg messing about with my own
UK settings, but it's the length of time the splash was showing
alerted me that someone else's machine was not set up for the UK. I
corrected it with the correct international settings and the machine
reverted to our standard approx. half-second display. iow the
relative length *depending on International settings used* appears to
be set in IO.SYS.

Ok, well now I guess I am going to have to pull out my dusty winME cd and
install it on my pig machine and see what the deal is. I may have win2K and
WinME confused as I was trying out both around the same time. It may be
that instead of the root c: it has to be placed into the system folder to
override the default. btw, contrary to what you may try to have told to
you, I will if I am in error admit to such. I will install my WinME and
then get back to you after the holiday as today is veterans day and I will
only be on here a short time; because I will be walking in a 30 years late
local parade honoring Vietnam vets. I will however as I said install my
WinME over the weekend and get back with the results; because it may even
be(though I doubt it) because my WinME is one of the very first publicly
available ones. I will let you know next week.


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"Alan Edwards" wrote in message
...
Incorrect.

I found no way sulogo.sys would be used, whether logo.sys was there or
not.

1. I booted Win ME with no sulogo.sys or logo.sys
The default screen came up.

2. I put sulogo.sys (turned upside down to be obvious)
It was not used.

3. I renamed sulogo.sys to logo.sys (just to check I had modified it
correctly)
It was now used.

4. I put in both a modifed sulogo.sys and a modifed logo.sys
Logo.sys was used.

...Alan
--
Alan Edwards, MS MVP Windows - Internet Explorer
http://dts-l.org/index.html

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:07:04 -0500, "Sugien"
wrote:
I beg to differ; because I have put a sulogo.sys into the windowsME
instaliation I used for a short time, and it does work as the start up
screen.

In fact if both sulogo.sys and logo.sys are present
in the root c:\ the sulogo.sys will show up instead of logo.sys.


"Mike M" wrote in message
.. .
The name of the file would have been logo.sys and the location the root
of
C:\. No other name or location works.

We shall see, at the very least you should wait until I do my tests and
report back my results before you go making any type of allegations. If I
am wrong I will admit it; because as I said I was mucking about with several
OS's at the same time each on their own test box.
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"Mike M" wrote in message
...
Alan,

It appears the poster concerned has little knowledge of the subject since
a simple experiment such as the one you (and I) have performed quickly
proves that he is talking rubbish. :-)
--
Mike Maltby



Alan Edwards wrote:

Incorrect.

I found no way sulogo.sys would be used, whether logo.sys was there or
not.

1. I booted Win ME with no sulogo.sys or logo.sys
The default screen came up.

2. I put sulogo.sys (turned upside down to be obvious)
It was not used.

3. I renamed sulogo.sys to logo.sys (just to check I had modified it
correctly)
It was now used.

4. I put in both a modifed sulogo.sys and a modifed logo.sys
Logo.sys was used.

Of course if your msdos.sys file or io.sys has been changed to take out
the default sulogo.sys and had logo.sys put in instead of course sulogo.sys
would not over ride what was *transplanted* into the msdos.sys or io.sys
file. However on a brand new vanilla install of the first ME (and most
likely all versions of ME) logo.sys was *not* part of the OS or even on the
install cd's

First off don't feel along in this; because I gave help out on this very
subject back in 2001 here is a Google group link:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.2600/browse_frm/thread/da4dfc04c96b35e4/c41c0051c6ab5f54?lnk=st&q=(logo.sys,sulogo.sys)+au thor:sugien&rnum=2&hl=en#c41c0051c6ab5f54

and even earlier in 2000
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.hackers.malicious/browse_frm/thread/4cf96c312d0b174f/688a3551b6b473fb?lnk=st&q=(logo.sys,sulogo.sys)+au thor:sugien&rnum=3&hl=en#688a3551b6b473fb


Well instead of going through all the trouble of installing ME, I simply did
a web search and found out that I was and am right about logo.sys NOT coming
with WinME; but I will take your word for it that sulogo.sys will not
override logo.sys. I suspect however that you have a modified io.sys or
msdos.sys file most likely a modified io.sys. Here are a few url's to check
if you don't believe me about logo.sys having *never* come with nor being
part of your or anyone's original WinME:

begin CnP from Web pages
http://www.burzurq.com/forum/startup_splash.html

Startup Splash
How To Create A Custom Startup Splash:

Windows ME unlike previous versions of windows does not contain a "logo.sys"
file that can be edited or replaced. The startup splash exists somewhere
else. If you currently have a logo.sys file installed it didn't come from
Windows ME.

http://www.mdgx.com/newtip3.htm
Do you remember the logo that showed up on your screen when you booted into
your freshly installed Windows 9x/ME OS for the first time? Well, Microsoft
Setup routine wiped it out from your hard disk afterwards, so you can't see
it anymore.
But you can still have it displayed any time as your bootup logo.
Just extract the SULOGO.SYS (or LOGO_02.SYS) file from your Win95/98/ME
Setup CD-ROM by using EXTRACT.EXE, the Microsoft DOS mode CAB extracting
tool, located by default in C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND.
/begin CnP from Web pages

There are numerous other web pages if you care to do a search on Google. I
think you have a system that has been altered; because as you can see
logo.sys never was a part of winME and if yours prefers logo.sys to
sulogo.sys then as I have said a few times already, your system files have
been altered to prefer it.

hth


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"Alan Edwards" wrote in message
...
Incorrect.

I found no way sulogo.sys would be used, whether logo.sys was there or
not.

1. I booted Win ME with no sulogo.sys or logo.sys
The default screen came up.

2. I put sulogo.sys (turned upside down to be obvious)
It was not used.

3. I renamed sulogo.sys to logo.sys (just to check I had modified it
correctly)
It was now used.

4. I put in both a modifed sulogo.sys and a modifed logo.sys
Logo.sys was used.

...Alan
--
Alan Edwards, MS MVP Windows - Internet Explorer
http://dts-l.org/index.html

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:07:04 -0500, "Sugien"
wrote:
I beg to differ; because I have put a sulogo.sys into the windowsME
instaliation I used for a short time, and it does work as the start up
screen.

In fact if both sulogo.sys and logo.sys are present
in the root c:\ the sulogo.sys will show up instead of logo.sys.


"Mike M" wrote in message
.. .
The name of the file would have been logo.sys and the location the root
of
C:\. No other name or location works.

"Sugien" wrote in message
...
We shall see, at the very least you should wait until I do my tests and
report back my results before you go making any type of allegations. If I
am wrong I will admit it; because as I said I was mucking about with
several OS's at the same time each on their own test box.


BS!
when you come in with a categorical challenge, you should already have
tested!! - instead you came in with a half-assed, quarter-baked idea, that
you thought you could get away with.

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WTF are you dribbling on about?
We are talking DEFAULT systems here - if you choose to castrate your OS,
that's your problem, but most people run with the IO.SYS, and MSDOS, SYS
that hey were given by MS, or a near approximation thereof, and I know of
no-one who routinely modifies the IO.SYS as you suggest - it simply is NOT
worth the hassle.


Your first link is to a Win98 post- so not relevant.
".... and even earlier in 2000" - ERM! -

to quote YOUR OWN WORDS....
quote

logo.sys is contained in io.sys and you can take either the logow.sys or the
logos.sys to get the proper format. Or you can just change logos.sys and
rename it to logo.sys and put it back in the same folder the old logo.sys
was via win95, it will override the on contained in io.sys and when or if
you want to revert to the default that came with win98 you can just remove
it or rename it and the default contained in io.sys(or is it msdos.sys
memory fails me) will then show.
/quote

--
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Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
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"Sugien" wrote in message
...
Of course if your msdos.sys file or io.sys has been changed to take out
the default sulogo.sys and had logo.sys put in instead of course
sulogo.sys would not over ride what was *transplanted* into the msdos.sys
or io.sys file. However on a brand new vanilla install of the first ME
(and most likely all versions of ME) logo.sys was *not* part of the OS or
even on the install cd's

First off don't feel along in this; because I gave help out on this very
subject back in 2001 here is a Google group link:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.2600/browse_frm/thread/da4dfc04c96b35e4/c41c0051c6ab5f54?lnk=st&q=(logo.sys,sulogo.sys)+au thor:sugien&rnum=2&hl=en#c41c0051c6ab5f54

and even earlier in 2000
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.hackers.malicious/browse_frm/thread/4cf96c312d0b174f/688a3551b6b473fb?lnk=st&q=(logo.sys,sulogo.sys)+au thor:sugien&rnum=3&hl=en#688a3551b6b473fb


Well instead of going through all the trouble of installing ME, I simply
did a web search and found out that I was and am right about logo.sys NOT
coming with WinME; but I will take your word for it that sulogo.sys will
not override logo.sys. I suspect however that you have a modified io.sys
or msdos.sys file most likely a modified io.sys. Here are a few url's to
check if you don't believe me about logo.sys having *never* come with nor
being part of your or anyone's original WinME:

begin CnP from Web pages
http://www.burzurq.com/forum/startup_splash.html

Startup Splash
How To Create A Custom Startup Splash:

Windows ME unlike previous versions of windows does not contain a
"logo.sys" file that can be edited or replaced. The startup splash exists
somewhere else. If you currently have a logo.sys file installed it didn't
come from Windows ME.

http://www.mdgx.com/newtip3.htm
Do you remember the logo that showed up on your screen when you booted
into your freshly installed Windows 9x/ME OS for the first time? Well,
Microsoft Setup routine wiped it out from your hard disk afterwards, so
you can't see it anymore.
But you can still have it displayed any time as your bootup logo.
Just extract the SULOGO.SYS (or LOGO_02.SYS) file from your Win95/98/ME
Setup CD-ROM by using EXTRACT.EXE, the Microsoft DOS mode CAB extracting
tool, located by default in C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND.
/begin CnP from Web pages

There are numerous other web pages if you care to do a search on Google.
I think you have a system that has been altered; because as you can see
logo.sys never was a part of winME and if yours prefers logo.sys to
sulogo.sys then as I have said a few times already, your system files have
been altered to prefer it.

hth


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"Alan Edwards" wrote in message
...
Incorrect.

I found no way sulogo.sys would be used, whether logo.sys was there or
not.

1. I booted Win ME with no sulogo.sys or logo.sys
The default screen came up.

2. I put sulogo.sys (turned upside down to be obvious)
It was not used.

3. I renamed sulogo.sys to logo.sys (just to check I had modified it
correctly)
It was now used.

4. I put in both a modifed sulogo.sys and a modifed logo.sys
Logo.sys was used.

...Alan
--
Alan Edwards, MS MVP Windows - Internet Explorer
http://dts-l.org/index.html

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:07:04 -0500, "Sugien"
wrote:
I beg to differ; because I have put a sulogo.sys into the windowsME
instaliation I used for a short time, and it does work as the start up
screen.

In fact if both sulogo.sys and logo.sys are present
in the root c:\ the sulogo.sys will show up instead of logo.sys.


"Mike M" wrote in message
. ..
The name of the file would have been logo.sys and the location the root
of
C:\. No other name or location works.

So for the record are you saying that a logo.sys came with WinME? not a
logo02.sys but a logo.sys? If you then you are in error; because no
logo.sys ever cam with WinME.

"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
WTF are you dribbling on about?
We are talking DEFAULT systems here - if you choose to castrate your OS,
that's your problem, but most people run with the IO.SYS, and MSDOS, SYS
that hey were given by MS, or a near approximation thereof, and I know of
no-one who routinely modifies the IO.SYS as you suggest - it simply is NOT
worth the hassle.


Your first link is to a Win98 post- so not relevant.
".... and even earlier in 2000" - ERM! -

actuley NO, it was for all Win9x and as you pointed out ME is a Win9x
system. Did you not read down the page and see it is for everyhting from
win95-WinME? For ME is says:

a.. Windows ME users:
EXTRACT /Y SULOGO.SYS D:\WIN9X\WIN_19.CAB




I agree the we *should* be talking about *default* systems. However if we
are talking about a logo.sys file then we are *not* talking about a default
install of WinME. I say that; because WinMe did *not* come with a logo.sys
file. I assert that there never was a logo.sys file as part of WinME. If
you have a problem with logo.sys never having came with WinME take it up
with Microsoft, I am only fowarding along information. So as I said, are
you or are you (and most likely the OP) not saying that a logo.sys file came
*with* WinME? I just want to get the facts stright as to what you are
ascerting. It is my contention that a logo.sys file did NOT come with
WinME, so it is a simple matter, do you agree or not?


to quote YOUR OWN WORDS....
quote

logo.sys is contained in io.sys and you can take either the logow.sys or
the
logos.sys to get the proper format. Or you can just change logos.sys and
rename it to logo.sys and put it back in the same folder the old logo.sys
was via win95, it will override the on contained in io.sys and when or if
you want to revert to the default that came with win98 you can just remove
it or rename it and the default contained in io.sys(or is it msdos.sys
memory fails me) will then show.
/quote

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

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"Sugien" wrote in message
...
Of course if your msdos.sys file or io.sys has been changed to take
out the default sulogo.sys and had logo.sys put in instead of course
sulogo.sys would not over ride what was *transplanted* into the msdos.sys
or io.sys file. However on a brand new vanilla install of the first ME
(and most likely all versions of ME) logo.sys was *not* part of the OS or
even on the install cd's

First off don't feel along in this; because I gave help out on this very
subject back in 2001 here is a Google group link:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.2600/browse_frm/thread/da4dfc04c96b35e4/c41c0051c6ab5f54?lnk=st&q=(logo.sys,sulogo.sys)+au thor:sugien&rnum=2&hl=en#c41c0051c6ab5f54

and even earlier in 2000
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.hackers.malicious/browse_frm/thread/4cf96c312d0b174f/688a3551b6b473fb?lnk=st&q=(logo.sys,sulogo.sys)+au thor:sugien&rnum=3&hl=en#688a3551b6b473fb


Well instead of going through all the trouble of installing ME, I simply
did a web search and found out that I was and am right about logo.sys NOT
coming with WinME; but I will take your word for it that sulogo.sys will
not override logo.sys. I suspect however that you have a modified io.sys
or msdos.sys file most likely a modified io.sys. Here are a few url's to
check if you don't believe me about logo.sys having *never* come with nor
being part of your or anyone's original WinME:

begin CnP from Web pages
http://www.burzurq.com/forum/startup_splash.html

Startup Splash
How To Create A Custom Startup Splash:

Windows ME unlike previous versions of windows does not contain a
"logo.sys" file that can be edited or replaced. The startup splash exists
somewhere else. If you currently have a logo.sys file installed it didn't
come from Windows ME.

http://www.mdgx.com/newtip3.htm
Do you remember the logo that showed up on your screen when you booted
into your freshly installed Windows 9x/ME OS for the first time? Well,
Microsoft Setup routine wiped it out from your hard disk afterwards, so
you can't see it anymore.
But you can still have it displayed any time as your bootup logo.
Just extract the SULOGO.SYS (or LOGO_02.SYS) file from your Win95/98/ME
Setup CD-ROM by using EXTRACT.EXE, the Microsoft DOS mode CAB extracting
tool, located by default in C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND.
/begin CnP from Web pages

There are numerous other web pages if you care to do a search on Google.
I think you have a system that has been altered; because as you can see
logo.sys never was a part of winME and if yours prefers logo.sys to
sulogo.sys then as I have said a few times already, your system files
have been altered to prefer it.

hth


--
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"Alan Edwards" wrote in message
...
Incorrect.

I found no way sulogo.sys would be used, whether logo.sys was there or
not.

1. I booted Win ME with no sulogo.sys or logo.sys
The default screen came up.

2. I put sulogo.sys (turned upside down to be obvious)
It was not used.

3. I renamed sulogo.sys to logo.sys (just to check I had modified it
correctly)
It was now used.

4. I put in both a modifed sulogo.sys and a modifed logo.sys
Logo.sys was used.

...Alan
--
Alan Edwards, MS MVP Windows - Internet Explorer
http://dts-l.org/index.html

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:07:04 -0500, "Sugien"
wrote:
I beg to differ; because I have put a sulogo.sys into the windowsME
instaliation I used for a short time, and it does work as the start up
screen.

In fact if both sulogo.sys and logo.sys are present
in the root c:\ the sulogo.sys will show up instead of logo.sys.


"Mike M" wrote in message
.. .
The name of the file would have been logo.sys and the location the
root of
C:\. No other name or location works.

Noel,

Don't bother, the guy's deficient in the areas that matter and simply
doesn't have a clue. I blame care in the community US style. :-)
--
Mike Maltby



Noel Paton wrote:

WTF are you dribbling on about?
We are talking DEFAULT systems here - if you choose to castrate your
OS, that's your problem, but most people run with the IO.SYS, and
MSDOS, SYS that hey were given by MS, or a near approximation
thereof, and I know of no-one who routinely modifies the IO.SYS as
you suggest - it simply is NOT worth the hassle.


Your first link is to a Win98 post- so not relevant.
".... and even earlier in 2000" - ERM! -

to quote YOUR OWN WORDS....
quote

logo.sys is contained in io.sys and you can take either the logow.sys
or the logos.sys to get the proper format. Or you can just change
logos.sys and rename it to logo.sys and put it back in the same
folder the old logo.sys was via win95, it will override the on
contained in io.sys and when or if you want to revert to the default
that came with win98 you can just remove it or rename it and the
default contained in io.sys(or is it msdos.sys memory fails me) will
then show. /quote

You are just full of your self aren't you. You can't trash the info so
you try and trash me! Ok, bucko, are you or are you not saying your winME
came *with* a logo.sys file? I don't care if it is inside another file or
not, are you saying a logo.sys (not a logo02.sys that has never been my
contention) file came *with* your WinME?
What I have been saying all along is that you *are* mistaken if you say
your WinME came *with* a logo.sys file; because according to Microsoft it
did *not* come with *any* instillations of WinME. I helped people with this
very thing almost 5 years ago; because people that like to personalize
there OS's found that simply putting in a logo.sys would not change the boot
up screen in WinME. That is the whole reason I even entered the thread;
because you were saying that you got WinME to change the boot up screen
using a logo.sys file and I knew that unless either the IO.sys or MSDOS.sys
files had been changed that simply placing a logo.sys file into a WinME
would *not* change the boot up screen. So are you still contending that you
simply placed a logo.sys file into a *default* WinME install and it changed
the boot up screen? Because if you are and if it indeed *did* change for
you then you accomplished something that no one (at least no one I knew of
back then) I know of was successful in doing.
I have always found it sort of amusing that when someone can not find
fault or error in someone's data and if that person for what ever reason
doesn't like the person for what ever reason. They will inerrantly attack
the person on a personal level when they can show their data as faulty. You
or Noel have neither shown my contention that WinMe does not come with a
logo.sys file as being in error. As I have already also said, if you did
indeed place a logo.sys file in a default install of WinME and it *did*
change the boot up screen you are the *first* to be able to do so.


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"Mike M" wrote in message
...
Noel,

Don't bother, the guy's deficient in the areas that matter and simply
doesn't have a clue. I blame care in the community US style. :-)
--
Mike Maltby



Noel Paton wrote:

WTF are you dribbling on about?
We are talking DEFAULT systems here - if you choose to castrate your
OS, that's your problem, but most people run with the IO.SYS, and
MSDOS, SYS that hey were given by MS, or a near approximation
thereof, and I know of no-one who routinely modifies the IO.SYS as
you suggest - it simply is NOT worth the hassle.


Your first link is to a Win98 post- so not relevant.
".... and even earlier in 2000" - ERM! -

to quote YOUR OWN WORDS....
quote

logo.sys is contained in io.sys and you can take either the logow.sys
or the logos.sys to get the proper format. Or you can just change
logos.sys and rename it to logo.sys and put it back in the same
folder the old logo.sys was via win95, it will override the on
contained in io.sys and when or if you want to revert to the default
that came with win98 you can just remove it or rename it and the
default contained in io.sys(or is it msdos.sys memory fails me) will
then show. /quote