Passwords

I'll see if I can sneak in here without the angry guy noticing.

How can you "get at" passwords. It seems that the only way to set a
password is if you already know what is currently set. If you forget
your password or, as in my case, have a password that seemed merely
showed up at install, and you don't know what it is, it seems a lost
cause. Being the only person in the house I don't need any passwords at
all, but Win98 seems to get very upset if I try to set up anything
without a password. Is there no way around all this?

Jim L

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Politicians want to know all about security measures. That they don't understand the "need to know" principle proves they should not know.

What password are you referring to? A password to log onto Windows, or something
else?

How to Prevent a Windows 95, Windows 98, or Windows Me Logon Prompt at Startup:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=152104

No Windows or Network Logon Dialog Box at Startup
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=141858
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I'll see if I can sneak in here without the angry guy noticing.

How can you "get at" passwords. It seems that the only way to set a
password is if you already know what is currently set. If you forget
your password or, as in my case, have a password that seemed merely
showed up at install, and you don't know what it is, it seems a lost
cause. Being the only person in the house I don't need any passwords at
all, but Win98 seems to get very upset if I try to set up anything
without a password. Is there no way around all this?

Jim L

--
Politicians want to know all about security measures. That they don't understand
the "need to know" principle proves they should not know.

"glee" said:

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=152104

Yes. That helps. Password Properties demands SOME kind of password. A
blank is refused. The logoff procedure allows a no password entry.
(system author confusion)

What password are you referring to? A password to log onto Windows, or
something else?

First it is a general question about, as I said, getting at passwords
some way other than the UI.

But at this moment the system keeps telling me I'm not logged onto
networking and networking is not accessable. It gives the procedure
from MS for logging onto the network, but it still says I'm not logged
on and the network is not accessable. (Actually I have never seen any
place to really logon to the network.)

If logging on this way doesn't get me logged on, then something must be
wrong in password land. (I suppose the angry guy will complain that I
haven't used the proper buzz words.)

Jim L

--
Politicians want to know all about security measures. That they don't understand the "need to know" principle proves they should not know.

What exactly is the logoff procedure that requires a password? How do you
get to this procedure?

Network logon occurs automatically when you log on to Windows. You should
have a user set up on the machine with a user name and password that matches
the user name and password set up on the network server. That way, logging
on to Windows also logs you on to the network. Bypassing Windows logon means
that you won't be logged on to the network.

You can search the www for utilities that reveal passwords recorded for your
machine, but I suspect that's not necessary for what you are trying to do.
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Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
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"glee" said:

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=152104

Yes. That helps. Password Properties demands SOME kind of password. A
blank is refused. The logoff procedure allows a no password entry.
(system author confusion)

What password are you referring to? A password to log onto Windows, or
something else?

First it is a general question about, as I said, getting at passwords
some way other than the UI.

But at this moment the system keeps telling me I'm not logged onto
networking and networking is not accessable. It gives the procedure
from MS for logging onto the network, but it still says I'm not logged
on and the network is not accessable. (Actually I have never seen any
place to really logon to the network.)

If logging on this way doesn't get me logged on, then something must be
wrong in password land. (I suppose the angry guy will complain that I
haven't used the proper buzz words.)

Jim L

--
Politicians want to know all about security measures. That they don't
understand the "need to know" principle proves they should not know.

"Jeff Richards" said:

What exactly is the logoff procedure that requires a password? How do
you get to this procedure?

You asking me? Click Start.

Network logon occurs automatically when you log on to Windows.

That was what I thought before this.

You should have a user set up on the machine with a user name and
password that matches the user name and

I've already had this network running fine. And without a single
password. All (one) users had the same access.

The point about logon may have been a misunderstanding. It may have
been referring to the other computer not being logged on.

But as it is I can't even get the network to see the machine it's on
(Network Neighborhood - Entire Network - Inaccessable). (I'm talking
to a network NG about that, so the angry guy doesn't need to get
additional ulcers.)

Jim L

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Politicians: Their lips move too much.

Clicking the start button does not require a password in a normal Windows 98
system. If it does for you, there is something seriously weird going on.

It sounds like you were entering a username without a password. You have to
re-establish this user. See here under *SETTING A BLANK PASSWORD for
deleting all users so you can create a new one.
http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/tips_r_-_z.html
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Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
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"Jeff Richards" said:

What exactly is the logoff procedure that requires a password? How do
you get to this procedure?

You asking me? Click Start.

Network logon occurs automatically when you log on to Windows.

That was what I thought before this.

You should have a user set up on the machine with a user name and
password that matches the user name and

I've already had this network running fine. And without a single
password. All (one) users had the same access.

The point about logon may have been a misunderstanding. It may have
been referring to the other computer not being logged on.

But as it is I can't even get the network to see the machine it's on
(Network Neighborhood - Entire Network - Inaccessable). (I'm talking
to a network NG about that, so the angry guy doesn't need to get
additional ulcers.)

Jim L

--
Politicians: Their lips move too much.

I think he is talking about the "log off" option. I seem to remember
there being one before I removed mine.

To the OP - you don't have to log off. That option is there so that you
can reboot with another user profle should you wish to do so.

dadiOH
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Jeff Richards wrote:
Clicking the start button does not require a password in a normal
Windows 98 system. If it does for you, there is something seriously
weird going on.

It sounds like you were entering a username without a password. You
have to re-establish this user. See here under *SETTING A BLANK
PASSWORD for deleting all users so you can create a new one.
http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/tips_r_-_z.html
"Jeff Richards" said:

What exactly is the logoff procedure that requires a password? How
do you get to this procedure?

You asking me? Click Start.

Network logon occurs automatically when you log on to Windows.

That was what I thought before this.

You should have a user set up on the machine with a user name and
password that matches the user name and

I've already had this network running fine. And without a single
password. All (one) users had the same access.

The point about logon may have been a misunderstanding. It may have
been referring to the other computer not being logged on.

But as it is I can't even get the network to see the machine it's on
(Network Neighborhood - Entire Network - Inaccessable). (I'm
talking to a network NG about that, so the angry guy doesn't need to
get additional ulcers.)

Jim L

--
Politicians: Their lips move too much.

wrote:
I'll see if I can sneak in here without the angry guy noticing.

How can you "get at" passwords. It seems that the only way to set a
password is if you already know what is currently set. If you forget
your password or, as in my case, have a password that seemed merely
showed up at install, and you don't know what it is, it seems a lost
cause. Being the only person in the house I don't need any passwords
at all, but Win98 seems to get very upset if I try to set up anything
without a password. Is there no way around all this?

Something like Revelation...
http://www.snadboy.com/



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"Jeff Richards" said:

Clicking the start button does not require a password in a normal
Windows 98 system. If it does for you, there is something seriously
weird going on.

You asked:

What exactly is the logoff procedure that requires a password? How do
you get to this procedure?

Clicking the Start button gets you to the Logoff. I didn't say it
"requires a password." Those are your words.

There are those who say entering a blank here makes your network
password a blank.

Either way, Microsoft's procedure requires that you know the existing
password. My original post asked about when you DON'T know it.

Jim L via the eCS 1.24 version of OS/2

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Politicians: Their lips move too much.

"dadiOH" said:

I think he is talking about the "log off" option.

In answer to his question, yes.

To the OP - you don't have to log off. That option is there so that
you can reboot with another user profle should you wish to do so.

I'm not concerned about logging off, rather logging on - without a
password.

Jim L via the eCS 1.24 version of OS/2

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Politicians: Their lips move too much.