Win98 SE 48bit LBA support for esdi_506.pdr driver

Dear MS Customer Support!


I would like to convince You to enhance support for esdi_506.pdr IDE driver,
becouse all current Intel based PC systems (chipset 865/875/915/925 with 48Bit
BIOS suport) has controllers which use esdi_506.pdr driver to handle IDE drives.
As all we know there is no support of large IDE 48-bit for drives connected
using esdi_506.pdr as channel controller driver.

The original Intel Application Accellerator doesn't suport Windows 98SE/ME
systems for large drives for chipsets 865/875/915/925 (only chipsets i860 and
olders are supported by this application). These Intel chipsets: 865/875/915/925
offers driver for Hard Disk Controller (82801EB) but it uses esdi_506.pdr IDE
driver which is limited to 32-bit LBA acess.

It is very simple for You to enhance support becouse You have source code of
esdi_506.pdr IDE driver.
There is a big demand for all people who have to use Win98SE system for
software-test purposes or use it every day to have possibility to work on large
IDE drives.

Regards,
Mike.

Microsoft does not monitor these groups. Please see
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=114491

However you will need to substantiate your claim that many users need to use
Windows 98 with very large hard drives - I do not see this demand as
significant.

You should also see:
http://www.48bitlba.com/win98.htm
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"user" wrote in message
...
Dear MS Customer Support!


I would like to convince You to enhance support for esdi_506.pdr IDE
driver, becouse all current Intel based PC systems (chipset
865/875/915/925 with 48Bit BIOS suport) has controllers which use
esdi_506.pdr driver to handle IDE drives. As all we know there is no
support of large IDE 48-bit for drives connected using esdi_506.pdr as
channel controller driver.

The original Intel Application Accellerator doesn't suport Windows 98SE/ME
systems for large drives for chipsets 865/875/915/925 (only chipsets i860
and olders are supported by this application). These Intel chipsets:
865/875/915/925 offers driver for Hard Disk Controller (82801EB) but it
uses esdi_506.pdr IDE driver which is limited to 32-bit LBA acess.

It is very simple for You to enhance support becouse You have source code
of esdi_506.pdr IDE driver.
There is a big demand for all people who have to use Win98SE system for
software-test purposes or use it every day to have possibility to work on
large IDE drives.

Regards,
Mike.

Jeff,
I'm sure there are quite a few. I for one would have liked to see support
for larger drives in win98SE.
Last time I asked Microsoft, (this spring ) a substantial portion of home
users were still using win98SE or earlier (not half but not that far away).
Win98SE is a good operating system
--
Jon Hildrum
DTS MVP

www.hildrum.com
"Jeff Richards" wrote in message
...
Microsoft does not monitor these groups. Please see
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=114491

However you will need to substantiate your claim that many users need to
use
Windows 98 with very large hard drives - I do not see this demand as
significant.

You should also see:
http://www.48bitlba.com/win98.htm
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"user" wrote in message
...
Dear MS Customer Support!


I would like to convince You to enhance support for esdi_506.pdr IDE
driver, becouse all current Intel based PC systems (chipset
865/875/915/925 with 48Bit BIOS suport) has controllers which use
esdi_506.pdr driver to handle IDE drives. As all we know there is no
support of large IDE 48-bit for drives connected using esdi_506.pdr as
channel controller driver.

The original Intel Application Accellerator doesn't suport Windows
98SE/ME
systems for large drives for chipsets 865/875/915/925 (only chipsets
i860
and olders are supported by this application). These Intel chipsets:
865/875/915/925 offers driver for Hard Disk Controller (82801EB) but it
uses esdi_506.pdr IDE driver which is limited to 32-bit LBA acess.

It is very simple for You to enhance support becouse You have source
code
of esdi_506.pdr IDE driver.
There is a big demand for all people who have to use Win98SE system for
software-test purposes or use it every day to have possibility to work
on
large IDE drives.

Regards,
Mike.

I'm not saying the demand doesn't exist, it's just that I don't come across
it, and I suspect that MS won't see it as significant. If OP wants MS to
listen to the request he will need to demonstrate that there really is "a
big demand for all people who have to use Win98SE", not just those who
prefer not to upgrade (however sensible their preference).
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Jon_Hildrum" wrote in message
...
Jeff,
I'm sure there are quite a few. I for one would have liked to see support
for larger drives in win98SE.
Last time I asked Microsoft, (this spring ) a substantial portion of
home
users were still using win98SE or earlier (not half but not that far
away).
Win98SE is a good operating system
--
Jon Hildrum
DTS MVP

U¿ytkownik Jeff Richards said:

However you will need to substantiate your claim that many users need to use
Windows 98 with very large hard drives - I do not see this demand as
significant.
I don't have to substantiate, becouse a lot of people still use Windows 98 in
their Homes and offices. This is the "bitter true" for people who work only in
big corporate/companies and tries to put the modern and mostly unneded less
secure solutions to our PC's.
This Win98SE system is strong enough to run software for printing invoices and
run shop-storage-software or surf the internet and edit DOC's and even develop.
I don't risk anything saying that Win98 is much more secure than all the next
Windows generation systems which has more vulnerabilities becouse of Network
modules and services ( I know this counting growing number of viruses developed
for this systems ).

A lot of software is still edited/written for Win98SE system and there is a huge
need to test it on current PC machines/hardware at which we still develop.


You should also see:
http://www.48bitlba.com/win98.htm
I hit that page as soon I recognized where is the problem with my new PC
machine.I wouldn't write any post here if I could find there any solution for
newer Intel Chipsets...

Regards,
Mike.

Asked and answered elsewhere.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User]
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to.
* My website, such as it is ... http://rgharper.mvps.org/
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"user" wrote in message
...
Dear MS Customer Support!


I would like to convince You to enhance support for esdi_506.pdr IDE
driver, becouse all current Intel based PC systems (chipset
865/875/915/925 with 48Bit BIOS suport) has controllers which use
esdi_506.pdr driver to handle IDE drives. As all we know there is no
support of large IDE 48-bit for drives connected using esdi_506.pdr as
channel controller driver.

The original Intel Application Accellerator doesn't suport Windows 98SE/ME
systems for large drives for chipsets 865/875/915/925 (only chipsets i860
and olders are supported by this application). These Intel chipsets:
865/875/915/925 offers driver for Hard Disk Controller (82801EB) but it
uses esdi_506.pdr IDE driver which is limited to 32-bit LBA acess.

It is very simple for You to enhance support becouse You have source code
of esdi_506.pdr IDE driver.
There is a big demand for all people who have to use Win98SE system for
software-test purposes or use it every day to have possibility to work on
large IDE drives.

Regards,
Mike.

Why do you have to have a hard drive larger than 120Gb just to test that
your software can run under Windows 98? In fact, a machine that can use
those size drives is hardly a typical W98 machine, so testing in that
configuration is suspect anyway.

If you want to convince anyone of the importance of this update (which I
thought was your point) you will need a better argument than that. For
instance, an example of software that is in widespread use and that needs
that much disk space in a single volume and which won't work on anything
other than Windows 98. I don't know of any such software, but perhaps it is
out there.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"user" wrote in message
...
U¿ytkownik Jeff Richards said:

However you will need to substantiate your claim that many users need to
use Windows 98 with very large hard drives - I do not see this demand as
significant.
I don't have to substantiate, becouse a lot of people still use Windows 98
in their Homes and offices. This is the "bitter true" for people who work
only in big corporate/companies and tries to put the modern and mostly
unneded less secure solutions to our PC's.
This Win98SE system is strong enough to run software for printing invoices
and run shop-storage-software or surf the internet and edit DOC's and even
develop. I don't risk anything saying that Win98 is much more secure than
all the next Windows generation systems which has more vulnerabilities
becouse of Network modules and services ( I know this counting growing
number of viruses developed for this systems ).

A lot of software is still edited/written for Win98SE system and there is
a huge need to test it on current PC machines/hardware at which we still
develop.


You should also see:
http://www.48bitlba.com/win98.htm
I hit that page as soon I recognized where is the problem with my new PC
machine.I wouldn't write any post here if I could find there any solution
for newer Intel Chipsets...

Regards,
Mike.

U¿ytkownik Jeff Richards napisa³:
Why do you have to have a hard drive larger than 120Gb just to test that
your software can run under Windows 98? In fact, a machine that can use
those size drives is hardly a typical W98 machine, so testing in that
configuration is suspect anyway.

If you want to convince anyone of the importance of this update (which I
thought was your point) you will need a better argument than that. For
instance, an example of software that is in widespread use and that needs
that much disk space in a single volume and which won't work on anything
other than Windows 98. I don't know of any such software, but perhaps it is
out there.
If You will build any PC next Year, there will be a problem to get any HDD below
137GB. I suspect that You don't build several PC's / Year for friends and don't
have such problems, but try to read any motherboard support forums in the net
and You will see how popular the problem really is. The next reason of populrity
is also that older people/customers know well and don't know to change their OSs
which fulfill their needs.
You will be also old some day and You will not accept some changes (the counter
is ticking ). Maybe there You will understand more from the problem.

Let me see ... you want to buy the newest, hottest hardware; then you want
to run a seven-year-old operating system on it; and finally you want to know
why you have problems?

Did I get that right?

PS - you should not make assumptions about the folks in this forum. How do
YOU know how many PCs Jeff or I build each year, or how old we are? We just
might put you to shame on both accounts. ;-)

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User]
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to.
* My website, such as it is ... http://rgharper.mvps.org/
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"user" wrote in message
...
U¿ytkownik Jeff Richards napisa³:
Why do you have to have a hard drive larger than 120Gb just to test that
your software can run under Windows 98? In fact, a machine that can use
those size drives is hardly a typical W98 machine, so testing in that
configuration is suspect anyway.

If you want to convince anyone of the importance of this update (which I
thought was your point) you will need a better argument than that. For
instance, an example of software that is in widespread use and that needs
that much disk space in a single volume and which won't work on anything
other than Windows 98. I don't know of any such software, but perhaps it
is out there.
If You will build any PC next Year, there will be a problem to get any HDD
below 137GB. I suspect that You don't build several PC's / Year for
friends and don't have such problems, but try to read any motherboard
support forums in the net and You will see how popular the problem really
is. The next reason of populrity is also that older people/customers know
well and don't know to change their OSs which fulfill their needs.
You will be also old some day and You will not accept some changes (the
counter is ticking ). Maybe there You will understand more from the
problem.

U¿ytkownik Richard G. Harper napisa³:

Let me see ... you want to buy the newest, hottest hardware; then you want
to run a seven-year-old operating system on it; and finally you want to know
why you have problems?

I see You don't have experience in running software business so I can clarify
espacially for You.

I have to replace some hardware in my company becouse of hardware faults (old
hardware - old MB's has fired up, old Capacitors leaked and I don't want to play
with repairing it.) I still develop software for Win98 (my software is
compatible W98Se to WXP). What I do? I buy "new current hardware" for replacing
my old PC-trash systems. I feel disappointed that I can't run only 7 years old
system on it and I have to search fo HDD 137GB to Run W98SE especially.(I have
all Win systems installed on my older machine which is stil error free god bless
You - sometimes even concurently since win95 OSR2 to WinXP). My job now is
software development also for win98 (I still have customers with such systems)
as long as it is used. I can't buy "second hand older" hardware to company
without invoice (e.g. from ebay). I have to have guarnteed replacement procedure
which is only possible for current hardware. this is business standard.

I can tell You - if You have microchip from Your wash machine I can get out it
and write the code to make it alarm system controller - that's why we can write
any software for hardware to make it more suitble to our needs - this is the
idea of updatable software (in this case only small part of it extending drive
capacities).
If You could see the microchips which work in Boeing or AirBus - it is from
intel family x51 with decision comparator device. The hardware is not changed as
far I know becouse it is error free enough for use case and their working
environment.

Regards,
Mike.