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ME Reinstallation (Clean Install) Problems
how odd - mine are - 98se and me but not upgrade versions.
"Noel Paton" wrote in message ... ME and previous CD's are NOT bootable - use a floppy! -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2004, Win9x) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's or http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/f.../Mar27pmvp.asp "RN" wrote in message . .. Sorry, but I left a few words off the original. The additions are in CAPS to be recognizable. I had a processor die a few weeks ago, so I decided to install a new processor and motherboard. Of course this played havoc with the operating system and made it very unstable. It'us useable, but not stable at all. So, I decided to try a clean install on a new drive. Problem is the system does not recorgnize the ME installation CD (it's an upgrade from 95). For the heck of it I tried the old Windows95 installation CD -- SAME THING, IT IS NOT RECOGNIZED. THE DISKS ARE CLEAN. However the system will happily let me try to install XP. So the issue is not the CD drive. So does Microsoft rig it's CD's to not work after a certain date? Anyone have any other suggestions? Thanks In advance. |
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In which case they are OEM CDs and not those from Microsoft. Check the CDs
and you will probably find something like "Only to be sold with a new PC" printed on them or even an OEM identifier such as HP, Gateway, Compaq or whatever. -- Mike Maltby MS-MVP src wrote: how odd - mine are - 98se and me but not upgrade versions. |
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In that case, they're not MS CD's - but OEM ones.
-- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2004, Win9x) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's or http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/f.../Mar27pmvp.asp "src" wrote in message ... how odd - mine are - 98se and me but not upgrade versions. "Noel Paton" wrote in message ... ME and previous CD's are NOT bootable - use a floppy! -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2004, Win9x) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's or http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/f.../Mar27pmvp.asp "RN" wrote in message . .. Sorry, but I left a few words off the original. The additions are in CAPS to be recognizable. I had a processor die a few weeks ago, so I decided to install a new processor and motherboard. Of course this played havoc with the operating system and made it very unstable. It'us useable, but not stable at all. So, I decided to try a clean install on a new drive. Problem is the system does not recorgnize the ME installation CD (it's an upgrade from 95). For the heck of it I tried the old Windows95 installation CD -- SAME THING, IT IS NOT RECOGNIZED. THE DISKS ARE CLEAN. However the system will happily let me try to install XP. So the issue is not the CD drive. So does Microsoft rig it's CD's to not work after a certain date? Anyone have any other suggestions? Thanks In advance. |
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quite happy if you add that differentiation Mike and Noel. Specific PC
maker versions apart, previous postings didnt differentiate or in some cases even mention the route ex MS to user and could therefore have been (I am sure unintentionally) misleading. The point is they do exist as an alternative to your very valid suggestion of using a boot disk. Keep up the good work - your joint efforts and assistance are very welcome even to old computer wrinklies like me. "Mike M" wrote in message ... In which case they are OEM CDs and not those from Microsoft. Check the CDs and you will probably find something like "Only to be sold with a new PC" printed on them or even an OEM identifier such as HP, Gateway, Compaq or whatever. -- Mike Maltby MS-MVP src wrote: how odd - mine are - 98se and me but not upgrade versions. |
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src,
It does however seem to be you that is confusing matters here. Both Noel and myself made it quite clear and always have that Microsoft Win Me CDs are not bootable, just as Microsoft CDs for Win 95, 98 and 98SE are not bootable. You are the one who chose to contradict our statements. :-) OEMs appear to choose many different ways of distributing the OS, either a straight copies of the Microsoft CDs, customising the CDs and making them bootable, or instead by distributing customised images of the system as installed allowing the user to only restore that image and not clean install the OS. It is because of this that I, and I know Noel also, have always clearly qualified our comments by referring to "Microsoft CDs" Cheers from another old wrinkly who started with punch tape and punched cards vbg. -- Mike M src wrote: quite happy if you add that differentiation Mike and Noel. Specific PC maker versions apart, previous postings didnt differentiate or in some cases even mention the route ex MS to user and could therefore have been (I am sure unintentionally) misleading. The point is they do exist as an alternative to your very valid suggestion of using a boot disk. Keep up the good work - your joint efforts and assistance are very welcome even to old computer wrinklies like me. |
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Noel Paton wrote:
In that case, they're not MS CD's - but OEM ones. ******, now you're screwing up my internal filing system... I always thought OEM referred to the MS-produced CDs that say "For Sale with a New Computer System Only" (or somesuch) just like "white box" hardware components are referred to as OEM. Not saying it doesn't make sense, but still.... Rick |
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There are two types of MS CD - Retail and OEM (and within them both - the
Full and Upgrade versions) OEM 's have the ability (and rights) to create their own versions of an OEM disk - which can be anything from a straight copy of the MS CD, to a compressed file within a recovery disk. All MS ME CD's have full-CD holograms, AFAIK - the OEM ones having the words 'Only for distribution with a new PC' added to the print on the CD, and box/case cover. The OEM CD's can have just about anything on them - but almost always include a variation of the phrase 'Only for distribution....' -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2004, Win9x) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's or http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/f.../Mar27pmvp.asp "Rick T" wrote in message ... Noel Paton wrote: In that case, they're not MS CD's - but OEM ones. ******, now you're screwing up my internal filing system... I always thought OEM referred to the MS-produced CDs that say "For Sale with a New Computer System Only" (or somesuch) just like "white box" hardware components are referred to as OEM. Not saying it doesn't make sense, but still.... Rick |
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hate to admit it Mark, but I beat you - I started on double sided printed
circuit boards programmed by drilling a hole and interconnecting the sides with a rivet! Any mistakes could be corrected by drilling out the rivet. (Prefer current practice!) On main point there clearly is some genuine confusion here somewhere but I dont propose we lose any sleep over it - I have had bootable 98SE CDs clearly made by MS (or else they are such brilliant fakes that they fool me and I spot most fakes a mile off and avoid them like the plague!) On ME I am working from memory and may well be mistaken. I am ignoring upgrade CDs which - agreed - I have never seen in bootable form and copies/own versions/restore cds by OEMs which I agree turn up in many odd variations. Clearly I must have a very valuable one off which I shall guard with great care as I find it far easier to use than the other available options. It arrived some years ago and in all honesty I cannot remember where from. (Old age and volume of goods through workshop make tying down a source that far back a lost cause) The whole thing is very intriguing. (For any other readers benefit - before you ask - no you cant have a copy - I only buy legit and I dont do copies! Anyway Mark and Noels advice on downloading is a very viable - and AFAIK legal - alternative.) Best wishes Steve "Mike M" wrote in message ... src, It does however seem to be you that is confusing matters here. Both Noel and myself made it quite clear and always have that Microsoft Win Me CDs are not bootable, just as Microsoft CDs for Win 95, 98 and 98SE are not bootable. You are the one who chose to contradict our statements. :-) OEMs appear to choose many different ways of distributing the OS, either a straight copies of the Microsoft CDs, customising the CDs and making them bootable, or instead by distributing customised images of the system as installed allowing the user to only restore that image and not clean install the OS. It is because of this that I, and I know Noel also, have always clearly qualified our comments by referring to "Microsoft CDs" Cheers from another old wrinkly who started with punch tape and punched cards vbg. -- Mike M src wrote: quite happy if you add that differentiation Mike and Noel. Specific PC maker versions apart, previous postings didnt differentiate or in some cases even mention the route ex MS to user and could therefore have been (I am sure unintentionally) misleading. The point is they do exist as an alternative to your very valid suggestion of using a boot disk. Keep up the good work - your joint efforts and assistance are very welcome even to old computer wrinklies like me. |
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Noel Paton wrote:
There are two types of MS CD - Retail and OEM (and within them both - the Full and Upgrade versions) OEM 's have the ability (and rights) to create their own versions of an OEM disk - which can be anything from a straight copy of the MS CD, to a compressed file within a recovery disk. All MS ME CD's have full-CD holograms, AFAIK - the OEM ones having the words 'Only for distribution with a new PC' added to the print on the CD, and box/case cover. The OEM CD's can have just about anything on them - but almost always include a variation of the phrase 'Only for distribution....' I was sorta hoping to get unconfused.... So there are M$ OEM CDs (as in produced by MS for system mfrs) and OEM MS CDs (as in licensed by MS but produced by system mfrs, themselves) ? Are these what I've been referring to as "Recovery CDs"? or is that a different thing altogether. My Win95 "Only for...." came with a M$ printed booklet with a MS "Certificate of Authenticity" glued to the front. There is nothing on the CD or on the booklet that refer to any other corporation except Microsoft. Rick |
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