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137 Gb Limit?
I want to purchase a 160GB HDD to use with a new ABIT NF7
v2 motherboard (supports LBA45). The motherboard will support the 160GB HDD (No hardware limit on HDD). Will WIN98SE support the HDD? I have read so much vague information about different barriers in Win98SE concerning large drives over 137GB, it's makeing my head spin. I can partition the drive (I plan on it) as needed. What are the limits of Win98se when it comes to HDD (partitions, physical disk size etc...) Thank you, Jerry |
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137 Gb Limit?
Natively, no. Win98SE does not support anything beyond 64GB partition for
partitioning, diskchecking, and defragmenting. Newer fdisk will do twice that size for one partition, but the other two things are out the door. I would investigate aftermarket applications for this at the outset before even installing such a drive. "jerryko" wrote in message ... I want to purchase a 160GB HDD to use with a new ABIT NF7 v2 motherboard (supports LBA45). The motherboard will support the 160GB HDD (No hardware limit on HDD). Will WIN98SE support the HDD? I have read so much vague information about different barriers in Win98SE concerning large drives over 137GB, it's makeing my head spin. I can partition the drive (I plan on it) as needed. What are the limits of Win98se when it comes to HDD (partitions, physical disk size etc...) Thank you, Jerry |
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Lil' Dave wrote:
Natively, no. Win98SE does not support anything beyond 64GB partition for partitioning, diskchecking, and defragmenting. Newer fdisk will do twice that size for one partition, but the other two things are out the door. I would investigate aftermarket applications for this at the outset before even installing such a drive. I've had no problem with an 80 GB disk. I think the problems start at 128/137 (depending on how you define a GB). "jerryko" wrote in message ... I want to purchase a 160GB HDD to use with a new ABIT NF7 v2 motherboard (supports LBA45). The motherboard will support the 160GB HDD (No hardware limit on HDD). Will WIN98SE support the HDD? I have read so much vague information about different barriers in Win98SE concerning large drives over 137GB, it's makeing my head spin. I can partition the drive (I plan on it) as needed. What are the limits of Win98se when it comes to HDD (partitions, physical disk size etc...) Thank you, Jerry -- The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt to minimize spam. Our true address is of the form . |
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137 Gb Limit?
"jerryko" wrote:
I want to purchase a 160GB HDD to use with a new ABIT NF7 v2 motherboard (supports LBA45). The motherboard will support the 160GB HDD (No hardware limit on HDD). Will WIN98SE support the HDD? I have read so much vague information about different barriers in Win98SE concerning large drives over 137GB, it's makeing my head spin. I can partition the drive (I plan on it) as needed. What are the limits of Win98se when it comes to HDD (partitions, physical disk size etc...) Thank you, Jerry If your hardwared (motherboard + BIOS) will support the drive then there is no real problem. However, FAT32 has a practical partition size limit of 128 binary gigabytes (137 billion bytes) and drives larger than that need to be split into two or more partitions so that no single partition is larger than the limit. And you may need to use an updated version of FDISK in order to create partitions on hard drives larger than 64gb. See the following article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base: Fdisk Does Not Recognize Full Size of Hard Disks Larger than 64 GB Microsoft Knowledge Base Article - 263044 http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=263044 Good luck Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada -- Microsoft MVP On-Line Help Computer Service http://onlinehelp.bc.ca "The reason computer chips are so small is computers don't eat much." |
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The fdisk provided with Win98/Win98SE won't do beyond a 64GB partition etc.
Define "no problem", and your current partition size(s). I've worked with 2 80GB hard disks with no problems with 98SE. But the reasons are in the details. Midstream reply was original. "CJT" wrote in message ... Lil' Dave wrote: Natively, no. Win98SE does not support anything beyond 64GB partition for partitioning, diskchecking, and defragmenting. Newer fdisk will do twice that size for one partition, but the other two things are out the door. I would investigate aftermarket applications for this at the outset before even installing such a drive. I've had no problem with an 80 GB disk. I think the problems start at 128/137 (depending on how you define a GB). "jerryko" wrote in message ... I want to purchase a 160GB HDD to use with a new ABIT NF7 v2 motherboard (supports LBA45). The motherboard will support the 160GB HDD (No hardware limit on HDD). Will WIN98SE support the HDD? I have read so much vague information about different barriers in Win98SE concerning large drives over 137GB, it's makeing my head spin. I can partition the drive (I plan on it) as needed. What are the limits of Win98se when it comes to HDD (partitions, physical disk size etc...) Thank you, Jerry -- The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt to minimize spam. Our true address is of the form . |
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137 Gb Limit?
"Ron Martell" wrote in message
... "jerryko" wrote: I want to purchase a 160GB HDD to use with a new ABIT NF7 v2 motherboard (supports LBA45). The motherboard will support the 160GB HDD (No hardware limit on HDD). Will WIN98SE support the HDD? I have read so much vague information about different barriers in Win98SE concerning large drives over 137GB, it's makeing my head spin. I can partition the drive (I plan on it) as needed. What are the limits of Win98se when it comes to HDD (partitions, physical disk size etc...) Thank you, Jerry If your hardwared (motherboard + BIOS) will support the drive then there is no real problem. However, FAT32 has a practical partition size limit of 128 binary Nope, this is a size limit of the last version of fdisk provided by Microsoft. This is a 1 digit increase binary (X2), big deal. FAT32 partition/drive limitation capacity sizes are way beyond that. Define "practical". Unneeded adjective to protect MS's lack of response for creating a partition related msdos real-mode program to suit today's hard drives for msdos based windows. gigabytes (137 billion bytes) and drives larger than that need to be split into two or more partitions so that no single partition is larger than the limit. And you may need to use an updated version of FDISK in order to create partitions on hard drives larger than 64gb. See the following article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base: Fdisk Does Not Recognize Full Size of Hard Disks Larger than 64 GB Microsoft Knowledge Base Article - 263044 http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=263044 Either version of fdisk will not allow one partition to use the entire capacity of the hard drive noted. The later version will simply allow a larger partition. Tools checking the the partition and FAT, and defragmenting are useless once the partition size is past 64GB. Oh, you forgot to mention that. Darn. Good luck Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada -- Microsoft MVP On-Line Help Computer Service http://onlinehelp.bc.ca "The reason computer chips are so small is computers don't eat much." |
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"Lil' Dave" wrote in message
... The fdisk provided with Win98/Win98SE won't do beyond a 64GB partition etc. True but there is an fdisk hot fix that can be downloaded that is good up to 137 gb. http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=263044 Whether or not fdisk works or works consistently on a drive larger than 137 gb is a crap shoot; however, if one were to use a partitioning program, then there should be no problem with the larger drives. |
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Lil' Dave wrote:
The fdisk provided with Win98/Win98SE won't do beyond a 64GB partition etc. Define "no problem", and your current partition size(s). I've worked with 2 80GB hard disks with no problems with 98SE. But the reasons are in the details. I did download the fixed fdisk, but I don't recall using it. I think I used Ghost to copy the old disk across, and that took care of things. But I may have created a partition with fdisk first -- if that's a "problem" then ok. I've got the whole disk in one partition. I haven't seen a problem with scandisk or defrag. Midstream reply was original. "CJT" wrote in message ... Lil' Dave wrote: Natively, no. Win98SE does not support anything beyond 64GB partition for partitioning, diskchecking, and defragmenting. Newer fdisk will do twice that size for one partition, but the other two things are out the door. I would investigate aftermarket applications for this at the outset before even installing such a drive. I've had no problem with an 80 GB disk. I think the problems start at 128/137 (depending on how you define a GB). "jerryko" wrote in message .. . I want to purchase a 160GB HDD to use with a new ABIT NF7 v2 motherboard (supports LBA45). The motherboard will support the 160GB HDD (No hardware limit on HDD). Will WIN98SE support the HDD? I have read so much vague information about different barriers in Win98SE concerning large drives over 137GB, it's makeing my head spin. I can partition the drive (I plan on it) as needed. What are the limits of Win98se when it comes to HDD (partitions, physical disk size etc...) Thank you, Jerry -- The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt to minimize spam. Our true address is of the form . -- The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt to minimize spam. Our true address is of the form . |
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137 Gb Limit?
Ron Badour wrote:
"Lil' Dave" wrote in message ... The fdisk provided with Win98/Win98SE won't do beyond a 64GB partition etc. True but there is an fdisk hot fix that can be downloaded that is good up to 137 gb. http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=263044 Whether or not fdisk works or works consistently on a drive larger than 137 gb is a crap shoot; however, if one were to use a partitioning program, then there should be no problem with the larger drives. I sidestepped the whole issue. When I moved to disks over 120 GB, I also switched to using a Unix file server. -- The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt to minimize spam. Our true address is of the form . |
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137 Gb Limit?
"jerryko" wrote in
... I want to purchase a 160GB HDD to use with a new ABIT NF7 v2 motherboard (supports LBA45). The motherboard will support the 160GB HDD (No hardware limit on HDD). Will WIN98SE support the HDD? I have read so much vague information about different barriers in Win98SE concerning large drives over 137GB, it's makeing my head spin. I can partition the drive (I plan on it) as needed. What are the limits of Win98se when it comes to HDD (partitions, physical disk size etc...) Thank you, Jerry Above 128 gigabytes (abouit 137.000.000.000 bytes) 48 bits LBA (logical block addressing) is used. Windows 98 SE does not support 48 bits LBA. If you want one partition of over 128 gig, you will need a driver. Else windows 98 SE will see only 128 gigabytes. There is a discussion whether or not you can split a 160 gig disk in two ore more partitions, each less than 128 gig. The old fdisk will work up to 128 gig.. It only _displays_ an incorrect size when the hd capacity is over 64 gig. In fact it displays the capacity minus 64 gig. I used the old fdisk on an 120 gig hd, without trouble. But the new fdisk is less confusing and easier to use. Scandisk and defrag have internal counters which count untill 4 times 1024 times 1024 clusters. Example: if the disk has a clustersize of e.g. 16 kilobytes/cluster, scandisk and defrag will work fine with partitions up to: 4 * 1024 * 1024 * 16 * 1024 = 64 gig. When you format an hd, the clustersize within a partition will be determined so that the number of clusters does not exceed 4 * 1024 * 1024. Knowing that the maximum clustersize is 32 kilobyte/cluster, the maximum size of a partition which can be 'seen' with scandisk or defrag, will be: 4 * 1024 * 1024 * 32 * 1024 = 128 gig. Grtz, TR |
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