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1. how to get rid of "suspend" 2. a GREAT utility (no, not for IE)



 
 
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Old November 2nd 11, 10:19 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
thanatoid
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Default 1. how to get rid of "suspend" 2. a GREAT utility (no, not for IE)

Lostgallifreyan wrote in
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snip

Out of curiosity, on the machine where Suspend does NOT
appear, what other aspects of standard power control do
also not appear there?


I'm not sure what you mean - I have wiped that whole drive
because I want to make it a DOS/Win3.11 machine, so I can't
investigate further - but all it had was "Shutdown" with its 3
usual options. I'm not sure if this answers your question.



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it. I think it's more like we both had this rich neighbor named
Xerox and I broke into his house to steal the TV set and found
out that you had already stolen it."
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Old November 2nd 11, 11:09 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Default 1. how to get rid of "suspend" 2. a GREAT utility (no, not for IE)

thanatoid wrote in
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I'm not sure what you mean - I have wiped that whole drive
because I want to make it a DOS/Win3.11 machine, so I can't
investigate further - but all it had was "Shutdown" with its 3
usual options. I'm not sure if this answers your question.



Hard drive shutdown after N minutes, likewise monitor, that sort of thing...

Systray.exe needs Pwrprof.dll for battery monitor displays in laptops, so
perhaps you might have missed any battery or power related control panel bits
along with the suspend. You say W95B... X98 is W95C shell on W98SE so it
clearly isn't a shell thing, so maybe W95's core lacks somethign new to W98,
which is very likely, I think M$ did a lot on power management in those few
years, as laptops got common.

Incidentally, I noticed that systray icons will work in X98 Core in absence
of Systray.exe so I'm not sure I even need it, I just put that subsystem
togther as it's likely that other people would want it. Also, if the drive
ejector in NUSB wants Systray.exe it will have to stay in Inst and fuller
installs. Besides, it was a noodlebaking puzzle so I had to solve it.

The suspend thing is a slightly less tempting puzzle because it does appear
to work in a clean an duncomplicated install, but if I could totally remove
that recycle bin nonsense, I would.
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Old November 2nd 11, 11:14 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Lostgallifreyan
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Default 1. how to get rid of "suspend" 2. a GREAT utility (no, not for IE)

thanatoid wrote in
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It's always been off in thanatoid world®, since 1995 - so
"suspend" should not show up. But maybe it isn't off ;-)


On my machines (All based on MII12000 boards), the power management in BIOS
gets a whole page. It could take a while to test all of that and newer boards
likely offer even more detailed control.
  #14  
Old November 3rd 11, 01:58 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Default 1. how to get rid of "suspend" 2. a GREAT utility (no, not for IE)

Lostgallifreyan wrote in
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thanatoid wrote in
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I'm not sure what you mean


snip

Hard drive shutdown after N minutes, likewise monitor, that
sort of thing...


I have all that turned off.

When I am done, I just turn the thing off. I never understood
why anyone would /need/ "suspend" - maybe if one is using a
laptop and is too dumb to know how to save the work and shut
down.

Systray.exe needs Pwrprof.dll for battery monitor displays
in laptops, so perhaps you might have missed any battery or
power related control panel bits along with the suspend.


I prefer to be chewed up by a bunch of rabid wolves than to use
a laptop, or anything with a touchpad and Fn key.

Perhaps /you/ can tell me... WHAT is the purpose of "systray"
running? If I delete it/take it out of services startup, the
machine won't boot. But AFAICT it has no purpose at all except
for laptop battery meter.

Just curious.

You say W95B... X98


WHAT is X98?

is W95C shell on W98SE so it clearly
isn't a shell thing, so maybe W95's core lacks somethign
new to W98, which is very likely, I think M$ did a lot on
power management in those few years, as laptops got common.


I hate laptops almost as much as I hate cell phones and iToys. I
know I shouldn't keep on repeating that - no one cares what I
think.

Incidentally, I noticed that systray icons will work in X98
Core


Again... WTF is X98?

in absence of Systray.exe


....and how does it boot WITHOUT systray enabled?

so I'm not sure I even need
it, I just put that subsystem togther as it's likely that
other people would want it. Also, if the drive ejector in
NUSB


And WHAT is THAT?

wants Systray.exe it will have to stay in Inst and
fuller installs. Besides, it was a noodlebaking puzzle so I
had to solve it.


You are easily the most mysterious person I have run into on the
Usenet.

The suspend thing is a slightly less tempting puzzle
because it does appear to work in a clean an duncomplicated
install, but if I could totally remove that recycle bin
nonsense, I would.


I have everything possible set to NOT use the Rec. Bin (renamed
Trash and with nice non-MS icons), but once in a while it can
save your ass.

Needless to say, I have REST2514, but the restores are often
corrupted (YES, I restore to a different drive) and also, and I
can NOT figure out WHY, half the time I get the message
"DLL32.DLL missing" and nothing doing. So I am actually glad
some programs will delete to the RB no matter what you do.



--
There's nothing here to attract existing fans of either bands.
Instead, all [Rhino's compilation] "Total" does is to reinforce
the idea that Joy Division/New Order was a hugely exciting
source of music between 1978 and 1990 and New Order has been a
pitiful shadow of their once-visionary selves ever since.
John Meagher, The Irish Independent
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Old November 3rd 11, 07:12 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Default 1. how to get rid of "suspend" 2. a GREAT utility (no, not for IE)

Lostgallifreyan wrote in
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I do have binaries access....


Just posted in alt.binaries.testing


--
There's nothing here to attract existing fans of either bands.
Instead, all [Rhino's compilation] "Total" does is to reinforce
the idea that Joy Division/New Order was a hugely exciting
source of music between 1978 and 1990 and New Order has been a
pitiful shadow of their once-visionary selves ever since.
John Meagher, The Irish Independent
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Old November 3rd 11, 11:27 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Lostgallifreyan
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Default 1. how to get rid of "suspend" 2. a GREAT utility (no, not for IE)

thanatoid wrote in
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Lostgallifreyan wrote in
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I do have binaries access....


Just posted in alt.binaries.testing



I think it stripped the MIME encoded stuff from the post. It only showed me
the text. Btw, Iconsaver sounds like a tool for storing desktop icon layout.
This definitely came up in discussion here but I grabbed something for that
at the time. Is this tool really ok for putting system tray icons back? That
seems to be a harder task because I thought it might have to hook the
programs themselves in some way to get their icons back. (Not that I know
anything about that...)
  #17  
Old November 3rd 11, 12:37 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Default 1. how to get rid of "suspend" 2. a GREAT utility (no, not for IE)

thanatoid wrote in
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When I am done, I just turn the thing off. I never understood
why anyone would /need/ "suspend" - maybe if one is using a
laptop and is too dumb to know how to save the work and shut
down.


Fast recovery from low power standby. The idea makes sense, it's just
pointless because it's slow and easily broken. It is great on PDA's where the
OS always runs, but a hardware button switches the machine on and off like a
light.

I prefer to be chewed up by a bunch of rabid wolves than to use
a laptop, or anything with a touchpad and Fn key.


I hate laptops. PDA's would bo ok, if I could still read the tiny text. Big
text on a tiny screen really sucks. I'm hoping that a tablet with an i386
emulator running W98 might be viable. People have tried, but not with results
I want, so far.

Perhaps /you/ can tell me... WHAT is the purpose of "systray"
running? If I delete it/take it out of services startup, the
machine won't boot. But AFAICT it has no purpose at all except
for laptop battery meter.


Well, that's what I said. If that really IS all there is to it, then I'll
make it optional in X98 unless its absence makes some base hardware install
fail.

WHAT is X98?


W98, made modular, lean as possible, and I MEAN that, it's reduced to the
smallest possible file set and registry that can be used to build back to a
full install easily. It can be used as a base for recovery disks, with or
without network (Network module to use only TCP/IP, not yet done).

It's based on the 98-Lite idea, but with much greater reduction, Shane Brooks
only went this far for firms paying big money for embedded systems, you won't
get it from Micro which is still a lot bigger than X98 Core. Especially the
registry. Most of that is entirely generated by the OS at install time, and
subsequent program installs. I reduced it beyond anything I heard of or
thought possible, which is good because it means we can have very clean
starting conditions where it's easier to see what is truly important, to see
which (very few) vital elements are needed to get working restoration of
broken stuff that depends on them.

Currently there are a a few modules:
CORE.
Gets boot to a desktop in very few seconds from cold start, runs any program
written in C or assembler if it has only strict core dependencies, only needs
main system fonts and standard VGA. Edxor, Windows Calculator, Regedit,
Zoomin (pixel magnifier), for example... Core has NO machine specific
dependencies other that i386 with VGA.
INST.
Hardware install. Runs without reboot till end of sequence, or hiding detail
from operator. It all happens in Windows, not DOS. After this point, the base
install is machine independent, with an install best practised a few times to
figure out best choice of core drivers, bussmastering, display, etc. It also
uses the OS's install engine (enumerator, etc) to do this, it should not use
driver setips based on installers that run like separate programs because
those can pollute a system, and have more dependencies than are likely in the
core yet. This module will also add a full USB support partly based on NUSB's
methods. Full 48 bit LBA will be supported either here, or in the core, once
I find a freeware one I can use reliably. It also adds reliable ASPI support
for optical writer drives.
PROC.
Process module, adds runtime libraries chosen from list. Can be added without
Inst module for fast dedicated systems where some program needs them, but
otherwise wants the solid stable core and no SVGA or audio or net, etc. Ghost
Explorer needs this, for example... So would driver installers, in cases
where the actual core driver files cannot be installed by the OS engine
itself. (Personally I ALWAYS reject any driver or hardware that will not let
the OS take care of this, or allow manual install, which amounts to the same
thing).
ECNS.
Badly named module so far, in full it seems downright pretentious too:
Electronic Central Nervous System. The idea is important though. I didn't
come up with this as a weird Star Trek affectation, it gravitated entirely
naturally out of work to explore the boundaries between parts of the normal
W98 core, which is bigger than mine. Where Inst sets up the internal stuff
common to all machines, hardware on mainboard ('System Devices' in Device
Manager) and various internal drives, ECNS sets up stuff that makes the
machine more than a number cruncher, it covers all the stuff to support
external input and output. Audio and other specialised IO driver base support
added to the install engine, and DirectX and other stuff to use more of the
DSP on audio and video hardware, allowing games, 3D graphic design. If I
figure out printer core support, that goes here too. ECNS basically makes the
computer a body, not just a brain.
INET.
Not done yet. It will add the network installer class for the install engine
(and allow subsequent network driver install), add network stack, TCP/IP
protocol, DCHP client.. DOS tools like Ping, Tracert, etc. All the minimal
stuff we need for a broadband line and LAN. I won't add Dial-Up-Networking or
anything beyond that, but hopefully if I get it right, adding that by
standard W98 install methods should work if people want it.

In case you're wonderign why go to the trouble, don't, you already know the
answer, it's why you're here saying what you do and not touting M$'s latest
on some other newsgroup. What I can say is that that when I first tried
OpenBSD and saw their modular selection of modules at install time, I knew
that W98 should be like that. Fortunately, it CAN be. As we can't audit and
edit code (even if I had the abaility at that level!), I can't gurantee that
like OpenBSD, it's 'secure by default', but this is as close as it's possible
to get, and it's also as easy an install as I've ever seen.

Don't ask me any more, I doubt I could cope with writing the answer.

other people would want it. Also, if the drive ejector in
NUSB


And WHAT is THAT?


Neat trick. It's a Systray icon that you can left- or right-click to see what
external drives are mounted, and 'stop' them, i.e. flush data from cache to
hardware, then disable the hardware for safe removal without data loss or
hardware hangups. They do it well, so I added it to X98. I think it depended
on Systray.exe actually, I can't remember though, it's a few months since I
worked on it.

You are easily the most mysterious person I have run into on the
Usenet.


If this is still true after reading the above, then I consider it an honour.


The suspend thing is a slightly less tempting puzzle
because it does appear to work in a clean an duncomplicated
install, but if I could totally remove that recycle bin
nonsense, I would.


I have everything possible set to NOT use the Rec. Bin (renamed
Trash and with nice non-MS icons), but once in a while it can
save your ass.

Needless to say, I have REST2514, but the restores are often
corrupted (YES, I restore to a different drive) and also, and I
can NOT figure out WHY, half the time I get the message
"DLL32.DLL missing" and nothing doing. So I am actually glad
some programs will delete to the RB no matter what you do.


I think maybe, once it saved a file or two for me but only because I'd forgot
to disable it in some test install. I find that a small recovery tool works
better. Not as convenient, but as I find that good manual backup habits bail
me out of more grief than any tool, I prefer to disable the RB system
entirely, so I never rely on anything but my methods. I have (rarely) lost
data resulting from a bad decision, but never from a machine failure. There
have been failures, but never irrecoverable. Basically, I have a LOT of hard
drives. Some of them not in the system, switched out on occasion with
removable trays. I just have to avoid being lazy about seasonal organising,
backups, so I don't end up with backups too old eo be useful.
  #18  
Old November 3rd 11, 09:02 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
thanatoid
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Default 1. how to get rid of "suspend" 2. a GREAT utility (no, not for IE)

Lostgallifreyan wrote in
:

thanatoid wrote in
:

Lostgallifreyan wrote in
:

I do have binaries access....


Just posted in alt.binaries.testing


I think it stripped the MIME encoded stuff from the post.


I don't use MIME. I just dl'd it and it's fine. Problem is with
your system/newsreader/unzipper.

It only showed me the text. Btw, Iconsaver sounds like a
tool for storing desktop icon layout. This definitely came
up in discussion here but I grabbed something for that at
the time. Is this tool really ok for putting system tray
icons back?


It saves and restores. That is all it does, perfectly. For your
ONE chosen resolution.

If you cant get it to unzip/etc, I'll post it unzipped, although
I don't see how that would make any difference. You tell me what
to do.

snip


--
There's nothing here to attract existing fans of either bands.
Instead, all [Rhino's compilation] "Total" does is to reinforce
the idea that Joy Division/New Order was a hugely exciting
source of music between 1978 and 1990 and New Order has been a
pitiful shadow of their once-visionary selves ever since.
John Meagher, The Irish Independent
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Old November 3rd 11, 09:14 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
thanatoid
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Default 1. how to get rid of "suspend" 2. a GREAT utility (no, not for IE)

Lostgallifreyan wrote in
:

thanatoid wrote in
:

When I am done, I just turn the thing off. I never
understood why anyone would /need/ "suspend" - maybe if
one is using a laptop and is too dumb to know how to save
the work and shut down.

Fast recovery from low power standby.


No, that would be "wake up" ;-)

The idea makes sense,
it's just pointless because it's slow and easily broken. It
is great on PDA's where the OS always runs, but a hardware
button switches the machine on and off like a light.


Let's not even get into all that portable ****. When I leave the
house, I put on a watch, a pen (AKA biro), Sharpie, and little
plastic cutter knife in one pocket, my wallet in the other, and
that's it.

If that really IS all there is
to it, then I'll make it optional in X98 unless its absence
makes some base hardware install fail.


OK, so X98 is a super-mini version YOU are writing... All below
is beyond my ability to comprehend. I finally understand what
you are doing, and bravo.

When will you make it available to the plebs?

WHAT is X98?


snip

In case you're wonderign why go to the trouble, don't, you
already know the answer, it's why you're here saying what
you do and not touting M$'s latest on some other newsgroup.
What I can say is that that when I first tried OpenBSD and
saw their modular selection of modules at install time, I
knew that W98 should be like that. Fortunately, it CAN be.
As we can't audit and edit code (even if I had the abaility
at that level!), I can't gurantee that like OpenBSD, it's
'secure by default', but this is as close as it's possible
to get, and it's also as easy an install as I've ever seen.

Don't ask me any more, I doubt I could cope with writing
the answer.


Nor I with understanding it. Who cares about security. Ya gets a
firewall and ESET for 98 and you're done (this assumes you
already have a working brain).

other people would want it. Also, if the drive ejector in
NUSB


And WHAT is THAT?


Neat trick. It's a Systray icon that you can left- or
right-click to see what external drives are mounted, and
'stop' them, i.e. flush data from cache to hardware, then
disable the hardware for safe removal without data loss or
hardware hangups. They do it well, so I added it to X98. I
think it depended on Systray.exe actually, I can't remember
though, it's a few months since I worked on it.


That appears to be a part of the basic USB functionality - you
have to click on the icon to "unmount" the external USB drive.
But I often forget, and I have yet to lose any data.

You are easily the most mysterious person I have run into
on the Usenet.


If this is still true after reading the above, then I
consider it an honour.


Well, from that ONE sentence I finally understood what you are
doing., Had you said, months go "I am writing the smallest Win98
ever" I would not have kept wondering. Again, bravo.

snip

Needless to say, I have REST2514, but the restores are
often corrupted (YES, I restore to a different drive) and
also, and I can NOT figure out WHY, half the time I get
the message "DLL32.DLL missing" and nothing doing. So I am
actually glad some programs will delete to the RB no
matter what you do.


I think maybe, once it saved a file or two for me but only
because I'd forgot to disable it in some test install. I
find that a small recovery tool works better.


What could be smaller than REST2514? I tried a 3MB program many
years ago, and it was a royal pain to use, took 20x, make that
*200* times longer, and did not deliver any better results. At
least it did not give e the missing dll message. So - uou have
NO idea WHY iI get that stupid message? The damn thing is RIGHT
in the directory! Sigh.

Not as
convenient, but as I find that good manual backup habits
bail me out of more grief than any tool, I prefer to
disable the RB system entirely, so I never rely on anything
but my methods. I have (rarely) lost data resulting from a
bad decision, but never from a machine failure. There have
been failures, but never irrecoverable. Basically, I have a
LOT of hard drives. Some of them not in the system,
switched out on occasion with removable trays. I just have
to avoid being lazy about seasonal organising, backups, so
I don't end up with backups too old eo be useful.


I have SO many CD's with previous C: setups (going back 8-9
years) and misc backups that I should just take them and destroy
them all and be done with it. I have way too many albatrosses.


--
There's nothing here to attract existing fans of either bands.
Instead, all [Rhino's compilation] "Total" does is to reinforce
the idea that Joy Division/New Order was a hugely exciting
source of music between 1978 and 1990 and New Order has been a
pitiful shadow of their once-visionary selves ever since.
John Meagher, The Irish Independent
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Old November 3rd 11, 09:30 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Lostgallifreyan
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Default 1. how to get rid of "suspend" 2. a GREAT utility (no, not for IE)

thanatoid wrote in
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If you cant get it to unzip/etc, I'll post it unzipped, although
I don't see how that would make any difference. You tell me what
to do.


If it just saves and restores desktop icons, no worries, that's one thing I
did solve. Systray crashes are another thing...

About the download, I don't know what went wrong, maybe I needed to download
more than four recent headers, perhaps.. Normally it always works.
 




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