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Old August 24th 10, 05:02 PM posted to alt.comp.freeware,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Default Is It Time To Stop Using Windows XP?

On 24/08/10 16:55, Mark Warner wrote:
Bear Bottoms wrote:
Is It Time To Stop Using Windows XP?


There certainly are alternatives. Linux being one. The best one,
actually, if security is your prime motivation for switching.



Or, Windows 98SE?

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Old August 24th 10, 05:17 PM posted to alt.comp.freeware,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Ed wrote:
Mark Warner wrote:
Bear Bottoms wrote:
Is It Time To Stop Using Windows XP?


There certainly are alternatives. Linux being one. The best one,
actually, if security is your prime motivation for switching.


Or, Windows 98SE?


I don't think so. I wouldn't recommend running 98SE any more than I
would recommend running a 2.4.x kernel.

I also suspect many of the software & hardware compatibility issues that
Linux detractors like to point out would come into play with W98SE as well.

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Old August 24th 10, 06:27 PM posted to alt.comp.freeware,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Default Is It Time To Stop Using Windows XP?

On 24/08/10 17:17, Mark Warner wrote:
Ed wrote:
Mark Warner wrote:
Bear Bottoms wrote:
Is It Time To Stop Using Windows XP?

There certainly are alternatives. Linux being one. The best one,
actually, if security is your prime motivation for switching.


Or, Windows 98SE?


I don't think so. I wouldn't recommend running 98SE any more than I
would recommend running a 2.4.x kernel.

I also suspect many of the software & hardware compatibility issues that
Linux detractors like to point out would come into play with W98SE as well.



Like what for example?

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Old August 24th 10, 10:40 PM posted to alt.comp.freeware,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Default Is It Time To Stop Using Windows XP?

"Ed" ex@directory wrote in message
o.uk...

There certainly are alternatives. Linux being one. The best one,
actually, if security is your prime motivation for switching.


Or, Windows 98SE?


Win98SE has been left behind by several web formats (especially
those with flash video) and updated PDF formats. WinXP can
be configured to be almost as fast, and can be updated in these
respects.

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Old August 25th 10, 12:21 AM posted to alt.comp.freeware,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,alt.windows98
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Don Phillipson wrote:

Win98SE has been left behind by several web formats
(especially those with flash video) and updated PDF
formats.


I have yet to come across a pdf file that Acrobat Reader 6 can't open.

And I have yet to find a pdf exploit that FUNCTIONS PROPERLY on a win-98
system when opened with Acrobat Reader 6.

Besides - there is always Foxit and other third-party readers.

Opera 10.61 is a special release - designed specifically to be
compatible with windows 98.

There is also the KernelEx project, which provides API-level
compatibility for win-98 for a number of "NT-only" applications, such as
Firefox 3.x and Adobe Flash 10.x.

By installing KernelEx, there is no real problem for a win-98 system to
watch videos on Hulu, youtube, and for Google Streetview to function
perfectly.

WinXP can be configured to be almost as fast, and can be
updated in these respects.


Windows XP was a horribly vulnerable operating system for the first 5
years of it's life. That fact is almost universally ignored by those
that favor NT over win-9x.

It was XP, that was foisted on consumers in the fall of 2001, that is to
blame for the moderm botnet and spam problem that the world has today.
The malware industry is now hard to kill because it got such a boost and
entrenched by the opportunities that XP-SP0/SP1 gave during the years
2002 - 2006.

It was more important that Micro$haft replace windows 98/me with a
registerable operating system in the form of XP with the WGA mechanism
than insure that it wasn't a vulnerable and exploitable OS in the hands
of consumers.

Windows 98 was never vulnerable to the 6 or 7 different network worms
that have emerged over the past 10 years. It was a joke that if you
took a fresh install of windows 2k or XP and connect to the internet to
perform your first WindowsUpdate session that your system would likely
become infected before the update was finished. This was known as
"Windows Survival Time" and was measured in minutes (usually 10 to 20
minutes).

The vast majority of IE6 exploits do not function properly on win-98
systems. But if you wanted your IE6 to be as up-to-date as possible on
a win-98 system, then no problem. Simply download and install the
IE6-SP1 rollups that Macro$haft released for win-2K (yes, they function
just fine on a win-98 system).

Windows 98 is compatible with hard drives up to and usually exceeding 1
tb in size (I've installed win-98 on a 500 gb SATA hard drive attached
to an Asrock motherboard) and win-98 has a "hard" limit of a little over
1gb of usable memory, and there are third-party patches that allow it to
use a full 4 gb of installed ram.

Those that are interested in knowing just what win-98 is capable of
today are advised to read the win-9x/me forums on msfn.org.

http://www.msfn.org/board/forum/8-windows-959898seme/

http://www.msfn.org/board/forum/91-w...5064080d84d140
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Old August 25th 10, 04:06 PM posted to alt.comp.freeware,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,alt.windows98
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Acrobat Reader PUG-In are for Web Browser like Internet Explorer 8
For Windows 98 go up to Internet Explorer 6 is why Acrobat Reader PUG-In DO
NOT FUNCTIONS PROPERLY!
And on XP sp6, if you not running Internet Explorer 8, is Why Acrobat
Reader PUG-In DO NOT FUNCTIONS PROPERLY ON IT TOO!

So Go Opera 10.61 Internet Brower and add Acrobat Reader PUG-In to it and
all the FUNCTIONS will work PROPERLY on win98 & XP!


"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
Don Phillipson wrote:

Win98SE has been left behind by several web formats
(especially those with flash video) and updated PDF
formats.


I have yet to come across a pdf file that Acrobat Reader 6 can't open.

And I have yet to find a pdf exploit that FUNCTIONS PROPERLY on a win-98
system when opened with Acrobat Reader 6.

Besides - there is always Foxit and other third-party readers.

Opera 10.61 is a special release - designed specifically to be
compatible with windows 98.

There is also the KernelEx project, which provides API-level
compatibility for win-98 for a number of "NT-only" applications, such as
Firefox 3.x and Adobe Flash 10.x.

By installing KernelEx, there is no real problem for a win-98 system to
watch videos on Hulu, youtube, and for Google Streetview to function
perfectly.

WinXP can be configured to be almost as fast, and can be
updated in these respects.


Windows XP was a horribly vulnerable operating system for the first 5
years of it's life. That fact is almost universally ignored by those
that favor NT over win-9x.

It was XP, that was foisted on consumers in the fall of 2001, that is to
blame for the moderm botnet and spam problem that the world has today.
The malware industry is now hard to kill because it got such a boost and
entrenched by the opportunities that XP-SP0/SP1 gave during the years
2002 - 2006.

It was more important that Micro$haft replace windows 98/me with a
registerable operating system in the form of XP with the WGA mechanism
than insure that it wasn't a vulnerable and exploitable OS in the hands
of consumers.

Windows 98 was never vulnerable to the 6 or 7 different network worms
that have emerged over the past 10 years. It was a joke that if you
took a fresh install of windows 2k or XP and connect to the internet to
perform your first WindowsUpdate session that your system would likely
become infected before the update was finished. This was known as
"Windows Survival Time" and was measured in minutes (usually 10 to 20
minutes).

The vast majority of IE6 exploits do not function properly on win-98
systems. But if you wanted your IE6 to be as up-to-date as possible on
a win-98 system, then no problem. Simply download and install the
IE6-SP1 rollups that Macro$haft released for win-2K (yes, they function
just fine on a win-98 system).

Windows 98 is compatible with hard drives up to and usually exceeding 1
tb in size (I've installed win-98 on a 500 gb SATA hard drive attached
to an Asrock motherboard) and win-98 has a "hard" limit of a little over
1gb of usable memory, and there are third-party patches that allow it to
use a full 4 gb of installed ram.

Those that are interested in knowing just what win-98 is capable of
today are advised to read the win-9x/me forums on msfn.org.

http://www.msfn.org/board/forum/8-windows-959898seme/

http://www.msfn.org/board/forum/91-w...5064080d84d140



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Old August 25th 10, 04:38 PM posted to alt.comp.freeware,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,alt.windows98
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On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:21:08 -0400, 98 Guy wrote:

Don Phillipson wrote:

Win98SE has been left behind by several web formats
(especially those with flash video) and updated PDF
formats.

I used win98SE on my wife's PC until a couple of months ago.
Then I needed to install a new DVD drive and started getting crashes.
So I "upgraded".
Win98SE was just as efficient and faster than XP. But I had to
switch because of the trouble it took to find adequate drivers. Ralink
does not even link drivers for win98 anymore, probably true for other
manufacturers.
[]'s
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Old August 25th 10, 05:33 PM posted to alt.comp.freeware,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,alt.windows98
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mm and you need was DeepBurner and the DVD would been up and running with no
crashes on win98!

http://www.deepburner.com/

So we can not help you now ..

"Shadow" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:21:08 -0400, 98 Guy wrote:

Don Phillipson wrote:

Win98SE has been left behind by several web formats
(especially those with flash video) and updated PDF
formats.

I used win98SE on my wife's PC until a couple of months ago.
Then I needed to install a new DVD drive and started getting crashes.
So I "upgraded".
Win98SE was just as efficient and faster than XP. But I had to
switch because of the trouble it took to find adequate drivers. Ralink
does not even link drivers for win98 anymore, probably true for other
manufacturers.
[]'s


But whit XP and up all Dogs out to gave you a virus!


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Old September 22nd 10, 04:49 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,alt.windows98
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wrote in
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snip

If I am ever forced to switch to XP, I will send my
computer to the town dump and give up computing. I hated
XP when it first came out, and I still hate it.


It /is/ ridiculous. You are lucky not to have tried using the
Pro version (I will assume that since you bought a demo machine
from a normal store, it came with Home preloaded).

I was FORCED to install XP on another partition because I have
an analog video card and they do NOT come with drivers for
anything except XP, Vista and 7. That is the ONLY thing I use it
for.

Well, VLC for XP /is/ better than the no-longer in development
version for 98 - although the interface is ****ED, since it was
designed for XP.

Everything XP is a ****ING NIGHTMARE. Programs which were a
delight on 9x are a NIGHTMARE on XP (not because they are "not
compatible", but because XP is INSANE). 16-bit programs which
the DEVELOPER says will not run on XP run fine. What a ****ing
scam.

/thanatoid listens to the ongoing sounds of bleating sheep
carrying XP and Vista and Win7 laptops outside his windows.../

I have a
much newer and faster computer which I bought with XP on
it. It was a brand new demo computer which sold cheap,
shortly before Vista hit the market. I tried to force
myself to use it and like it. I really did try hard. It's
now in the closet collecting dust.


It's not that difficult to put 98 on it. Basically, make a CD-R
(or 2 or 3) from the original XP hard drive "restore" section.
[I understand those sections/hidden partitions/MS mind ****s
exist somewhere, but the fact you do not just get the ****ing
original disks is one of the reasons I will never buy a computer
with preloaded Windows (not to mention I am never touching what
MS is selling these days to begin with).]

Then you wipe the drive and partition it. 5-10 GB partitions are
good. You can have up to 23 and it makes life a LOT easier. I
used to have 16 on a 40 (forty) GB drive and it was GREAT.

Install 98SE.

(I /strongly/ recommend using Lite from
www.litepc.com. 95 was
better than 98 except for no USB. The Maximus Decim Native USB
ver. 3.1 driver for 98 works, but installing it on 98SE lite
with its 3 main sys files from 95B is a major pain. It can be
done, though.)

Install XP to another partition. It will create a dual-boot menu
automatically.

Instead of using that 3
or 4 year old computer with 5 times the power of this one,
I still use my trusty 10 year old computer with Win98se.
Everything about XP is annoying at the least, if not
downright repulsive to me.


Amen.

When the weather gets cold, I might see if I can install
Win98 on it. I'll just unplug the XP hard drive and use
another drive to see what happens.


That is another, VERY simple way of doing it. Unless it is a
tiny toy box, you do NOT have to remove the original drive. Just
put in the second drive and make IT bootable in the BIOS. Use
the other drive for backup or whatever.

The only reason I'll
save the drive containing XP, is for resale value, because
I will never use XP, or Vista, and probably not Windows7
which looks a lot like XP to me.

On top of that, the XP installation was formatted with
NTFS, and if I can not access my data from dos, its not
going to be saved on my computer. That NTFS format is a
guarantee to losing all important data.


Amen.

But I guess all
factory installations of XP come with that crappy format.
Because of that format alone, I never used the computer. I
changed the look of the desktop, and that's all I ever did
with it. I never went online or used it for anything else.
I could not even figure out how to get it to connect to my
internet service, which is very easy to do in Win98.

XP is horrid, and combined with NTFS, makes a computer
worthless for anything where a person values their data,
which I do.


Amen.

I should mention that on my Win98 computer, I can dual boot
to Windows 2000 for the rare occasion I cant get some
software to work in 98. Win2K is tolerable, but I bet I
load it 10X a year at most. At least it's on the same
Fat32 drive I use for 98, so I can access all my date.


The same thing can be done with XP, see above. You can choose to
install XP with FAT32 instead of the NeuteredTrashForSuckers
"file system".


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