Moving Unmovable Files with Norton Speed Disk

Is there some way to create a startup disk (CD or floppy) with Speed
Disk on it such that I can better optimize the hard disk in my laptop?
You know, when running Speed Disk from the internal hard drive many
files become unmovable and when booting from the original CD, Speed
Disk is not available.

No.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

"HKEK" wrote in message
...
Is there some way to create a startup disk (CD or floppy) with Speed
Disk on it such that I can better optimize the hard disk in my laptop?
You know, when running Speed Disk from the internal hard drive many
files become unmovable and when booting from the original CD, Speed
Disk is not available.

If it were a desktop, I would plug in a second HD and boot from the
second drive on which Speed Disk could be installed. I could then
defrag the first drive completely with (I believe) no unmovable files.
With a laptop, I am not sure how I can add a second boot drive.


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message ...
No.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

"HKEK" wrote in message
...
Is there some way to create a startup disk (CD or floppy) with Speed
Disk on it such that I can better optimize the hard disk in my laptop?
You know, when running Speed Disk from the internal hard drive many
files become unmovable and when booting from the original CD, Speed
Disk is not available.

By using an external USB2 hard drive, I suppose.

Really, there are very few immovable files in 98 outside the Swap File.
Those few files are unmovable for a reason, and I wouldn't consider it
prudent to move them. They aren't likely to be fragmented (unless purposely
so for the sake of Optimization). I can't say for certain that disaster will
result, and it may be that if your SpeedDisk is a new version it is relying
on NT requirements, in which case those files most definitely should *not*
be moved, no matter what (their physical location on the disk is important.)

In short, I think you are being immensely and overly concerned about an
issue that doesn't merit such concern, and you are also potentially flirting
with disaster in your quest. They didn't write these things the way they did
out of laziness, they did it out of a concern for safety and stability.

Using a Clean Boot setup before running any defragmenter would lessen the
likelihood of files being immovable due to being in use, though it's been a
while since I've seen a defragmenter that didn't make use of "shadow
copying" to free up such files. Even when I use simple Win98 DEFRAG with the
/p switch, a rather simplistic solution, the only files that are immovable
are a couple of one-cluster system files and the swap file (which simply
does *not* need defragmenting--just the opposite.)

See my article, "Clean Boot--What it is and why you need it"
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=%2...GP11.phx.gb l

I usually add a bunch of additional advice about antivirus and
anti-ad/spyware at this point, but I'll let you ask for that if you feel you
need it.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

"HKEK" wrote in message
m...
If it were a desktop, I would plug in a second HD and boot from the
second drive on which Speed Disk could be installed. I could then
defrag the first drive completely with (I believe) no unmovable files.
With a laptop, I am not sure how I can add a second boot drive.


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
No.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

"HKEK" wrote in message
...
Is there some way to create a startup disk (CD or floppy) with Speed
Disk on it such that I can better optimize the hard disk in my laptop?
You know, when running Speed Disk from the internal hard drive many
files become unmovable and when booting from the original CD, Speed
Disk is not available.

Thanks for your comments.

Actually, the laptop I am dealing with has Windows XP Pro installed on
it and I am using Symantic's Norton System Works 2004. I could'nt find
a discussion group for this product and XP Pro so I posted here,
thinking that the expertise and comments would apply as well. Your
comments have been valuable as I have 98SE running on 3 of my
desktops, with various versions of Norton.

Is there any way to install a system (and utilities) on a jump drive
(memory stick) that uses USB 1.0 and boot from that?

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message ...
By using an external USB2 hard drive, I suppose.

Really, there are very few immovable files in 98 outside the Swap File.
Those few files are unmovable for a reason, and I wouldn't consider it
prudent to move them. They aren't likely to be fragmented (unless purposely
so for the sake of Optimization). I can't say for certain that disaster will
result, and it may be that if your SpeedDisk is a new version it is relying
on NT requirements, in which case those files most definitely should *not*
be moved, no matter what (their physical location on the disk is important.)

In short, I think you are being immensely and overly concerned about an
issue that doesn't merit such concern, and you are also potentially flirting
with disaster in your quest. They didn't write these things the way they did
out of laziness, they did it out of a concern for safety and stability.

Using a Clean Boot setup before running any defragmenter would lessen the
likelihood of files being immovable due to being in use, though it's been a
while since I've seen a defragmenter that didn't make use of "shadow
copying" to free up such files. Even when I use simple Win98 DEFRAG with the
/p switch, a rather simplistic solution, the only files that are immovable
are a couple of one-cluster system files and the swap file (which simply
does *not* need defragmenting--just the opposite.)

See my article, "Clean Boot--What it is and why you need it"
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=%2...GP11.phx.gb l

I usually add a bunch of additional advice about antivirus and
anti-ad/spyware at this point, but I'll let you ask for that if you feel you
need it.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

"HKEK" wrote in message
m...
If it were a desktop, I would plug in a second HD and boot from the
second drive on which Speed Disk could be installed. I could then
defrag the first drive completely with (I believe) no unmovable files.
With a laptop, I am not sure how I can add a second boot drive.


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
No.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

"HKEK" wrote in message
...
Is there some way to create a startup disk (CD or floppy) with Speed
Disk on it such that I can better optimize the hard disk in my laptop?
You know, when running Speed Disk from the internal hard drive many
files become unmovable and when booting from the original CD, Speed
Disk is not available.

I hear that folks do it all the time, but I'm not one of them (yet), and so
cannot comment nor provide specific "HowTo" instructions.

I reiterate--you do *not* want to defragment an XP system partition *except*
from within that system. (And I certainly don't see any reason to defragment
an XP system with anything except the defragmenter provided.) And you
certainly do not want to try to *make* some app move the unmovable files.
The result will be garbage.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

"HKEK" wrote in message
m...
Thanks for your comments.

Actually, the laptop I am dealing with has Windows XP Pro installed on
it and I am using Symantic's Norton System Works 2004. I could'nt find
a discussion group for this product and XP Pro so I posted here,
thinking that the expertise and comments would apply as well. Your
comments have been valuable as I have 98SE running on 3 of my
desktops, with various versions of Norton.

Is there any way to install a system (and utilities) on a jump drive
(memory stick) that uses USB 1.0 and boot from that?