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Microsoft has removed 500+ groups, including 21 Windows-98 groups
I proposed to MS earlier this year that defunct W95 and W98 groups should be
purged, and I provided a list of the best candidates. I didn't get a direct confirmation that they were thinking that way, but I did get a response that indicated the idea was being considered, whether as a result of my suggestion or not. It was about the time that MS was posting in some newsgroups that priority technical support would no longer be provided in any Usenet group, but only through the MS-managed web forums. This meant that MS could properly validate the people entitled to priority support, which they couldn't do in a Usenet group. And that was about the time the participation by MS staff members in Usenet groups took a big dive (although I'm sure some continued posting under different names). Their line of thinking has been clear for some time, but I think any shut down will be orderly. -- Jeff Richards ---------------------------------------- "Franc Zabkar" wrote in message ... snip If the end result is that all the English language Win98 traffic is consolidated into one group, then this will be a good thing, IMO. - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. |
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Microsoft has removed 500+ groups, including 21 Windows-98 groups
Top-Poaster and Full-Quoter Jeff Richards wrote:
I proposed to MS earlier this year that defunct W95 and W98 groups should be purged, and I provided a list of the best candidates. I didn't get a direct confirmation I posted the list of win-98 groups that they recently removed. How does that list match your "suggestions" ? Their line of thinking has been clear for some time, As indicated by what? but I think any shut down will be orderly. Calling any shut-down "orderly" is certainly one way to give it a positive spin. I don't know what you would call a "dis-orderly" shutdown. |
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Microsoft has removed 500+ groups, including 21 Windows-98 groups
Top-Poaster and Full-Quoter Jeff Richards wrote:
I proposed to MS earlier this year that defunct W95 and W98 groups should be purged, and I provided a list of the best candidates. I didn't get a direct confirmation I posted the list of win-98 groups that they recently removed. How does that list match your "suggestions" ? Their line of thinking has been clear for some time, As indicated by what? but I think any shut down will be orderly. Calling any shut-down "orderly" is certainly one way to give it a positive spin. I don't know what you would call a "dis-orderly" shutdown. |
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Microsoft has removed 500+ groups, including 21 Windows-98 groups
In message , Tim Slattery
writes: [] In message , MEB writes: [] Microsoft has no intention of opening its Win7 or later OSs and applications to Usenet. AFAIK, they haven't actually said that, but their actions certainly bear it out. alt.windows7.general it.comp.os.win.windows7 microsoft.public.it.windows7 Are already on the 'servers I use. While far from proof of any sort, the name of the last one suggests that it might be a Microsoft-"sponsored" one. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf ** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously outdated thoughts on PCs. ** The fetters imposed on liberty at home have ever been forged out of the weapons provided for defence against real, pretended, or imaginary dangers from abroad. -James Madison, 4th US president (1751-1836) |
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Microsoft has removed 500+ groups, including 21 Windows-98 groups
In message , Tim Slattery
writes: [] In message , MEB writes: [] Microsoft has no intention of opening its Win7 or later OSs and applications to Usenet. AFAIK, they haven't actually said that, but their actions certainly bear it out. alt.windows7.general it.comp.os.win.windows7 microsoft.public.it.windows7 Are already on the 'servers I use. While far from proof of any sort, the name of the last one suggests that it might be a Microsoft-"sponsored" one. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf ** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously outdated thoughts on PCs. ** The fetters imposed on liberty at home have ever been forged out of the weapons provided for defence against real, pretended, or imaginary dangers from abroad. -James Madison, 4th US president (1751-1836) |
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Microsoft has removed 500+ groups, including 21 Windows-98 groups
"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
Top-Poaster and Full-Quoter Jeff Richards wrote: I proposed to MS earlier this year that defunct W95 and W98 groups should be purged, and I provided a list of the best candidates. I didn't get a direct confirmation I posted the list of win-98 groups that they recently removed. How does that list match your "suggestions" ? It's pretty close - AFAICT everything I nominated is there, plus many others (which I didn't consider). Their line of thinking has been clear for some time, As indicated by what? By the examples I just gave - no more priority support through Usenet, and MS staffers either not participating or (if they are there) using an alias. but I think any shut down will be orderly. Calling any shut-down "orderly" is certainly one way to give it a positive spin. I don't know what you would call a "dis-orderly" shutdown. I don't know why you would think that shutting down _any_ MS newsgroups would be a positive move, but if it's going to happen then I would prefer it to be based on feedback they receive, consultation with their staff who deal directly with Usenet participants and an analysis of traffic, rather than some arbitrary executive decision. -- Jeff Richards ---------------------------------------- |
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Microsoft has removed 500+ groups, including 21 Windows-98 groups
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:
alt.windows7.general it.comp.os.win.windows7 microsoft.public.it.windows7 Are already on the 'servers I use. While far from proof of any sort, the name of the last one suggests that it might be a Microsoft-"sponsored" one. Actually - no. The last group on your list was not created by Microsoft. It's an example of what I've said many times - that Microsoft has no unique relationship with the microsoft.* hierarchy of usenet newsgroups. Microsoft does not control, direct, administer, or manage those usenet groups. Microsoft does not play any role in message aggregation, distribution, or moderation. Someone else generated the group-create messages for that group, and other usenet servers around the world honored them. So there exists a newsgroup called microsoft.public.it.windows7 on some usenet servers, and they are exchanging messages that are being posted to it by their users. |
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Microsoft has removed 500+ groups, including 21 Windows-98 groups
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:
alt.windows7.general it.comp.os.win.windows7 microsoft.public.it.windows7 Are already on the 'servers I use. While far from proof of any sort, the name of the last one suggests that it might be a Microsoft-"sponsored" one. Actually - no. The last group on your list was not created by Microsoft. It's an example of what I've said many times - that Microsoft has no unique relationship with the microsoft.* hierarchy of usenet newsgroups. Microsoft does not control, direct, administer, or manage those usenet groups. Microsoft does not play any role in message aggregation, distribution, or moderation. Someone else generated the group-create messages for that group, and other usenet servers around the world honored them. So there exists a newsgroup called microsoft.public.it.windows7 on some usenet servers, and they are exchanging messages that are being posted to it by their users. |
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Microsoft has removed 500+ groups, including 21 Windows-98 groups
On 12/15/2009 09:10 PM, 98 Guy wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: alt.windows7.general it.comp.os.win.windows7 microsoft.public.it.windows7 Are already on the 'servers I use. While far from proof of any sort, the name of the last one suggests that it might be a Microsoft-"sponsored" one. Actually - no. The last group on your list was not created by Microsoft. It's an example of what I've said many times - that Microsoft has no unique relationship with the microsoft.* hierarchy of usenet newsgroups. Microsoft does not control, direct, administer, or manage those usenet groups. Microsoft does not play any role in message aggregation, distribution, or moderation. Someone else generated the group-create messages for that group, and other usenet servers around the world honored them. So there exists a newsgroup called microsoft.public.it.windows7 on some usenet servers, and they are exchanging messages that are being posted to it by their users. AND now that you've brought it Microsoft's attention, it will likely shut it down.... As for honored; no, likely it was propagated under the impression Microsoft created it. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking http://peoplescounsel.org The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government ___--- |
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Microsoft has removed 500+ groups, including 21 Windows-98 groups
On 12/15/2009 09:10 PM, 98 Guy wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: alt.windows7.general it.comp.os.win.windows7 microsoft.public.it.windows7 Are already on the 'servers I use. While far from proof of any sort, the name of the last one suggests that it might be a Microsoft-"sponsored" one. Actually - no. The last group on your list was not created by Microsoft. It's an example of what I've said many times - that Microsoft has no unique relationship with the microsoft.* hierarchy of usenet newsgroups. Microsoft does not control, direct, administer, or manage those usenet groups. Microsoft does not play any role in message aggregation, distribution, or moderation. Someone else generated the group-create messages for that group, and other usenet servers around the world honored them. So there exists a newsgroup called microsoft.public.it.windows7 on some usenet servers, and they are exchanging messages that are being posted to it by their users. AND now that you've brought it Microsoft's attention, it will likely shut it down.... As for honored; no, likely it was propagated under the impression Microsoft created it. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking http://peoplescounsel.org The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government ___--- |
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