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Hugh Candlin wrote:
"Bill in Co." wrote in message ... Gary S. Terhune wrote: If by "absurdity" you are referring to my observation regarding the actual use of Explorer, I beg to differ. I deal with "real-world" users all the time, and a significant majority don't know what Explorer is until I show them (and add a shortcut to the QL bar.) Why do you think MS hid XP's Explorer shortcut in the Accessories menu? And no, they don't use My Computer much, either, if at all. Maybe those people shouldn't be allowed to have a computer!! They need to take a placement test! Then what? ID numbers burned into wrists? Maybe YOU shouldn't be allowed to drive a car, because of your choice of vehicle? Maybe YOU shouldn't be allowed to live where you do, because of your choice of clothes? Maybe YOU shouldn't be allowed to say anything at all, unless YOU take a mental competency test first? YOU should be outraged by the above rhetorical questions, just as many people will be by YOUR thoughlessness. What gives YOU the right to arbitrate that YOUR level of computer expertise exceeds an "acceptable standard", but that others need to PROVE that they have the right to learn to use their own possessions in their own home? I've stated my position. Don't expect a debate. The tone of your reaction (incl the references to concentration camps) says more about you than me. So think about that. "Don't expect a debate", right back at ya. |
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He's a nasty one at times, Colorado. I think everyone knows that.
-- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PCR "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... | Hugh Candlin wrote: | "Bill in Co." wrote in message | ... | Gary S. Terhune wrote: | If by "absurdity" you are referring to my observation regarding the | actual use of Explorer, I beg to differ. I deal with "real-world" users | all the time, and a significant majority don't know what Explorer is | until I show them (and add a shortcut to the QL bar.) Why do you think | MS hid XP's Explorer shortcut in the Accessories menu? And no, they | don't use My Computer much, either, if at all. | | Maybe those people shouldn't be allowed to have a computer!! | They need to take a placement test! | | Then what? ID numbers burned into wrists? | | Maybe YOU shouldn't be allowed to drive a car, | because of your choice of vehicle? | | Maybe YOU shouldn't be allowed to live where you do, | because of your choice of clothes? | | Maybe YOU shouldn't be allowed to say anything at all, | unless YOU take a mental competency test first? | | YOU should be outraged by the above rhetorical questions, | just as many people will be by YOUR thoughlessness. | | What gives YOU the right to arbitrate that YOUR level | of computer expertise exceeds an "acceptable standard", | but that others need to PROVE that they have the right | to learn to use their own possessions in their own home? | | I've stated my position. Don't expect a debate. | | The tone of your reaction (incl the references to concentration camps) says | more about you than me. So think about that. "Don't expect a debate", | right back at ya. | | |
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Hi-ya PCR Pro,
Yeah.... I won't hold my breath for a fix though!! I do watch this thread!! Had a potential threat to my puter... rec'd a virus threat... a virus laden java jar. Was out doing a Google search, trying to help my sister, did a search on Common Hijacker, opened a page and zap. Pc-cillin opened and halted all Internet traffic, took 4 attempts before successful quarantine occured. The virus was..... JAVA_BYTEVER.B After, Trend Micro pg. for this virus opened and I read about the virus and was taken to Microsoft Security Bulletin MS03-011, the virus exploits a problem w/Microsoft VM, next I went to Windows Update and viewed my installation history to make sure I had the patch for the fix to VM, I was good. I was SAVED, but I'm now hardly using IE, thinking about downloading Firefox. Have you downloaded Firefox ??? Star "PCR" wrote in message ... Well, the current outcome is... http://cquirke.mvps.org/bexp1.htm Cquirke has created a page for it on his site & has promised to direct MS to view it, uh, thrice a day for the next three years & three days. Have you seen it? -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PCR "Star" wrote in message ... | Yes, I can tarry on, my puter will recover *completely* but takes some time, | and it is locked.... I see remnants of the progress bar, can't close | windows, start button no response, etc... | | I *can continue* like nothing ever happened, ... all is fine until I do | another large delete. | | After recovery, I can delete a single or multiple files, no problems... no | delays, but mine seems to a lesser degree, ***however, note, I walk away for | 3-5 mins. AND the puter has recovered w/no further help on my part***!! | | Did I answer what you asked, your post was confusing, PCR ??? | | Star | | "PCR" wrote in message | ... | Yes, I see it, & here it is... | | Now/then the same happens to the best of us, & we probably caught that | missing-post disease from Brian A! | | | *** Fldrs w/3000 files, slow recovery. Media Catalog has over 50 | fldrs. & | | over 3000 files. | | I guess that qualifies, for the problem to show up by the number of | directories involved. Does it ever show up ==in the first place== from | deleting just a single huge file, NOT that I want you to try? I know, | once it is triggered by deleting a folder full, then deleting a single | file will have the delays. | | | -- | Thanks or Good Luck, | There may be humor in this post, and, | Naturally, you will not sue, | should things get worse after this, | PCR | | "Star" wrote in message | ... | | PCR, | | I saw Glee's post and he has reproduced it. I posted a response, he's | | *right-on*, however, I don't see my post on my puter... this is what I | | posted.... | | | | Yes Glee, | | Your description is *right-on*, progress bar moves along and then | zap... I | | posted earlier. I use to re-boot, but like I mentioned in my post.... | now, | | I let it be and walk away. I come back in 3-5 mins. and my puter will | | recover and all is well again. Mine unlocks, progress bar remnants | remove | | themselves and I can tarry on. | | Star | | | | Do you see the above post on your puter ?? Let me know, didn't post | that I | | can see and don't want to duplicate. | | | | See below.... | | | | "PCR" wrote in message | | ... | | Absolutely, it has not been fixed! PA Bear has been in hibernation | too | | long, I think! Looks like it's more disturbing to you & others who | | actually do have a large number of large files to move/delete. But, | stay | | tuned. Who knows? Maybe cquirke will light a fire under MS's butt! | | | | | hangs and the puter is unusable, initially... lock-up. I use to do | a | | forced | | | re-boot. I have learned to **WAIT** the puter needs several | minutes | | to | | | recover. sometimes 3-5 mins. & I walk away. Come back, all is | well | | w/puter, | | | recovery occurs!! | | | | Well, has no one gotten that "Low resources, close some apps" | message | | but me? (Well, even I didn't always get it.) Anyway, that's | interesting. | | After it has recovered, can you then Delete or Move small files at | will, | | or will they also cause the delay? How big are the graphic files, & | how | | many do you have to Delete for the problem to first show up? | | | | *** Fldrs w/3000 files, slow recovery. Media Catalog has over 50 | fldrs. & | | over 3000 files. I have bigger folders, all **My Old My Documents | fldrs, | | from past installs using various OS's, average 200 - 400 mb.** I | don't move | | large bulk fldrs too ofter, but delete them from zip drive and work | fldr. on | | my desktop. After, I do back-up, I delete all the files in my work | fldr | | which is slow recovery. | | | | *** 250mb delete off Iomega zip, same problem, must wait for recovery, | | delete pixes using USB card reader removable drive, same thing. | | | | *** I don't copy/paste... I use **send-to** Iomega zip or In-CD, that | works, | | no recovery required. Deleting for me is the p-i-t-a and I don't move | these | | fldrs, they are all on my D partition, I just need to keep them | back-up and | | up-to-date!! | | | | Star. | | | | Thanks or Good Luck, | | There may be humor in this post, and, | | Naturally, you will not sue, | | should things get worse after this, | | PCR | | | | "Star" wrote in message | | ... | | | PCR Pro & All | | | I do have IE-SP1 & ALL updates except KB891711 & I have this | problem | | to a | | | *lesser* degree upon deleting lg. fldrs, it occurs whether I'm | | **deleting | | | from my hd or removable drives on my puter**. | | | | | | I have a faster puter, 2 GHz... and Explorer protests all the | time, | | appears | | | Explorer can't recover and I followed PCR's link here. I issue | the | | delete | | | command, dialog command box opens and after the files are deleted, | | Windows | | | hangs and the puter is unusable, initially... lock-up. I use to do | a | | forced | | | re-boot. I have learned to **WAIT** the puter needs several | minutes | | to | | | recover. sometimes 3-5 mins. & I walk away. Come back, all is | well | | w/puter, | | | recovery occurs!! | | | | | | I use to run Office 2000... someone mentioned the Media Catalog. | I | | took my | | | Media Catalog too from Windows\Application Data fldr created by | Office | | 2000. | | | I have more than 3000 graphic files in that fldr. I moved all my | audio | | files | | | out however to a new fldr & organized. I spent nearly 3 mos. | | organizing the | | | Media Catalog that is on my D partition. I do monthly double | back-ups | | to | | | Iomega zip and writing to a my CD-RW and it takes me quite | sometime, | | | unfortunately because of Windows lengthy recovery after deleting | any | | bulk | | | fldrs. | | | | | | Been doing Windows since 3.1 & have audio, video, swf, PPT, eml, | | picture | | | fldrs, avid digital camera user; htmls and the problem is a | p-i-t-a. | | I take | | | no chances w/my stuff, anything new is saved to my D partition and | is | | also | | | saved to a work fldr on my desktop until my double back-ups are | | done... when | | | I finally delete the files in the fldr on my desktop, Windows | | **screams**!! | | | | | | Posting to support the documentation of this problem and poor | recovery | | of | | | Windows. I'm not surprised, that MS knows... reporting has | occured. | | Just | | | not enough reporting because it has not been fixed !! | | | | | | Star | | | | | | | | | "PCR" wrote in message | | | ... | | | That site says... | | | http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm | | | ......Quote................. | | | Specifically, the version of Windows Explorer that comes with IE | 6 | | | gobbles up all of a system's available memory resources whenever | the | | | user deletes a large number of files or empties the recycle bin. | | These | | | resources are never given back to the system and the | repurcussions | | | snowball, affecting the user's ability to open programs, open | files, | | | manipulate files, and view web pages. | | | ......EOQ................... | | | | | | It has the ring of truth, because, in my last test/two of it, | there | | | actually was a resources error message involved near the end of | the | | | delete. Yet, Resource Meter appeared to be unaware of it, still | | showing | | | plenty. | | | | | | But I needed to delete .5 GB of folders full of folders & files, | | before | | | the error will occur. | | | | | | | | | -- | | | Thanks or Good Luck, | | | There may be humor in this post, and, | | | Naturally, you will not sue, | | | should things get worse after this, | | | PCR | | | | | | "Rick Chauvin" wrote in message | | | ... | | | | PA Bear wrote: | | | | | | | | Who's Robert? | | | | | | | | I meant Robear ...meant no harm. | | | | | | | | I continue to disagree with you and ChrisQ about the | problem. | | While | | | it may | | | | be machine-related, I don't believe it's related to any | | particular | | | Windows | | | | Update or IE6 SP1. If it were, we'd see many more Win98 | users | | with | | | the | | | | problem. | | | | | | | | Okay that's fine you can disagree all you want. | | | | | | | | The fact is I can personally vouch for the facts that I have | two | | | different | | | | boxes in front of me right now that have the problem which | started | | | happening | | | | with the first release of IE6 and absolutely the exact same | | problem is | | | still | | | | there when IE6SP1 including with Any subsequent updates | installed | | | after SP1 | | | | came out. | | | | | | | | If anyone who is in charge wants to work with me on the | problem to | | get | | | | information fine, I have the goods. I do not deal with | hearsay. | | | | | | | | Rick | | | | | | | | | | | | ...The issue that the link | | | | http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm speaks | about | | was | | | never | | | | fixed and I can guarantee it's 100% immutable that the | problem | | does | | | exist | | | | for W98x. | | | | | | | | Have all of those suffering from this problem installed IE6 | SP1 | | and | | | | further, post-SP1 updates? They have been /the/ fix for the | | vast | | | majority | | | | of Win98 users. | | | | -- | | | | ~PA Bear | | | | | | | | Rick Chauvin wrote: | | | | PA Bear wrote: | | | | X-Posting to Win95 and WinME NGs eliminated. | | | | | | | | Rick, I don't think MS05-002/KB891711 has anything to do | with | | the | | | issue | | | | about which you post. | | | | | | | | Hi Robert, | | | | You have totally misunderstood my post. I'm sorry you did. | | | | Of course we all knowMS05-002/KB891711 has nothing to do | with | | the | | | link I | | | | gave. http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm | | | | | | | | As I said I took this extra opportunity to tag onto Jerry | | Bryant | | | MCSE, | | | | MCDBA post to express to the MS coders about another | important | | | issue that | | | | is of great importance for 9x to get fixed - besides what | the | | OP is | | | about. | | | | I apologize for tagging onto it, but felt it was important | | enough. | | | | | | | | (As you know, my position is that IE6 with SP1 installed | has | | | | fixed your issue for the vast majority of Win98 users.) | | | | | | | | Again here too Robert I have no idea what you are referring | to, | | but | | | surely | | | | you are mistaken here of what we are talking about which | has | | been | | | well | | | | confirmed in this 9x newsgroup a hundred times over the | last 2 | | | years; | | | | thousands of times elsewhere. The issue that the link | | | | http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm speaks | about | | was | | | never | | | | fixed and I can guarantee it's 100% immutable that the | problem | | does | | | exist | | | | for W98x. I would of not stuck my neck out to make my post | if | | it | | | wasn't. | | | | I guess you don't know me. | | | | | | | | The problem is old news but for heavens sake Robert earlier | | just | | | today | | | | even your own Extremely capable MVP Chris Quirke (cquirke) | is | | | onboard | | | | with this issue and actually uses 9x to know. Listen up: | | | | | | | | | | | | Rick | | | | | | | | | | | | -- | | | | ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) | | | | MS MVP-Windows (Shell, IE/OE) & Security | | | | | | | | Mastering Newsgroups in Outlook Express | | | | | | | | | | http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/...ewsgroups.mspx | | | | | | | | Rick Chauvin wrote: | | | | Jerry Bryant, | | | | | | | | I do appreciate MS re-working this 891711 issue. Thank | you | | to | | | MS. | | | | | | | | Let me take this opportunity to ask you to pass this | along | | as | | | well in | | | | high hopes this problem will be addressed once and for | all. | | | It's a | | | | big problem for 9x users and I can't imagine it's | anything | | but | | | | embarrassing for MS to leave this bug the way it is. We | | even | | | have | | | | people making webpages talking about and trying to help | | people | | | get | | | | around the problem. | | | | Please show this link to whomever is in charge as it | | outlines | | | the | | | | problem I'm speaking of pretty well, which has been | talked | | | about in | | | | the 9x group for 2 years now, and so please ask them to | | finally | | | fix | | | | what the problem is, please, thank you. | | | | | | | | http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm | | | | | | | | Rick | | | | | | | | | | | | Jerry Bryant [MSFT] wrote: | | | | Microsoft has received reports about issues with | KB891711 | | on | | | | Windows 98, Windows 98 SE and Windows ME. At this | point, | | we | | | have | | | | been able to confirm these reports and are currently | | working | | | on a | | | | resolution. | | | | | | | | Please note that by uninstalling the current update, | the | | | machine | | | | will return to a vulnerable state. At this point, we | are | | | currently | | | | not aware of customer's being exploited by way of the | | | vulnerability | | | | fixed in MS05-002 on Windows 98, Windows 98 SE and | | Windows | | | ME. If | | | | you need additional assistance regarding this update, | | please | | | | contact +1 (866) PCSAFETY. When calling, please | indicate | | that | | | you | | | | are having issues with a security update. -- | | | | Regards, | | | | | | | | Jerry Bryant - MCSE, MCDBA | | | | Microsoft IT Communities | | | | | | | | Get Secure! www.microsoft.com/security | | | | | | | | | | | | This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, | and | | | confers no | | | | rights. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
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I am holding my breath for 10 seconds at a time every ten hours, owing
to the rare yet encouraging hit & run visit of MSFT personage... uh, Bryant, it was... over Kb891711. After all, there was a song a while back about lightning striking twice, &, now, cquirke has made it plain to MS there are many affected. Yikes, JAVA_BYTEVER.B! Sounds like Pc-cillin did a fine job, I'm glad to hear. I've never been told by McAfee that a virus tried to infect me. I know McAfee works, because it passes all four of those Eicar tests... http://www.eicar.org/anti_virus_test_file.htm Of course, I'm not a traveling man. But certainly a ton of junk has come into my Inbox, which, actually I rarely open, but just delete. I'm ALMOST tempted to ask you what the site was that had the thing. If ever you decide to post it on your own, be sure to muss it so it won't work w/o fiddling. I'm not asking, though! -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PCR "Star" wrote in message ... | Hi-ya PCR Pro, | Yeah.... I won't hold my breath for a fix though!! | I do watch this thread!! | Had a potential threat to my puter... rec'd a virus threat... a virus laden | java jar. | Was out doing a Google search, trying to help my sister, did a search on | Common Hijacker, opened a page and zap. Pc-cillin opened and halted all | Internet traffic, took 4 attempts before successful quarantine occured. | The virus was..... JAVA_BYTEVER.B | After, Trend Micro pg. for this virus opened and I read about the virus and | was taken to Microsoft Security Bulletin MS03-011, the virus exploits a | problem w/Microsoft VM, next I went to Windows Update and viewed my | installation history to make sure I had the patch for the fix to VM, I was | good. | I was SAVED, but I'm now hardly using IE, thinking about downloading | Firefox. Have you downloaded Firefox ??? | | Star | | "PCR" wrote in message | ... | Well, the current outcome is... | http://cquirke.mvps.org/bexp1.htm | | Cquirke has created a page for it on his site & has promised to direct | MS to view it, uh, thrice a day for the next three years & three days. | Have you seen it? | | | -- | Thanks or Good Luck, | There may be humor in this post, and, | Naturally, you will not sue, | should things get worse after this, | PCR | | "Star" wrote in message | ... | | Yes, I can tarry on, my puter will recover *completely* but takes some | time, | | and it is locked.... I see remnants of the progress bar, can't close | | windows, start button no response, etc... | | | | I *can continue* like nothing ever happened, ... all is fine until I | do | | another large delete. | | | | After recovery, I can delete a single or multiple files, no | problems... no | | delays, but mine seems to a lesser degree, ***however, note, I walk | away for | | 3-5 mins. AND the puter has recovered w/no further help on my | part***!! | | | | Did I answer what you asked, your post was confusing, PCR ??? | | | | Star | | | | "PCR" wrote in message | | ... | | Yes, I see it, & here it is... | | | | Now/then the same happens to the best of us, & we probably caught | that | | missing-post disease from Brian A! | | | | | *** Fldrs w/3000 files, slow recovery. Media Catalog has over 50 | | fldrs. & | | | over 3000 files. | | | | I guess that qualifies, for the problem to show up by the number of | | directories involved. Does it ever show up ==in the first place== | from | | deleting just a single huge file, NOT that I want you to try? I | know, | | once it is triggered by deleting a folder full, then deleting a | single | | file will have the delays. | | | | | | -- | | Thanks or Good Luck, | | There may be humor in this post, and, | | Naturally, you will not sue, | | should things get worse after this, | | PCR | | | | "Star" wrote in message | | ... | | | PCR, | | | I saw Glee's post and he has reproduced it. I posted a response, | he's | | | *right-on*, however, I don't see my post on my puter... this is | what I | | | posted.... | | | | | | Yes Glee, | | | Your description is *right-on*, progress bar moves along and then | | zap... I | | | posted earlier. I use to re-boot, but like I mentioned in my | post.... | | now, | | | I let it be and walk away. I come back in 3-5 mins. and my puter | will | | | recover and all is well again. Mine unlocks, progress bar | remnants | | remove | | | themselves and I can tarry on. | | | Star | | | | | | Do you see the above post on your puter ?? Let me know, didn't | post | | that I | | | can see and don't want to duplicate. | | | | | | See below.... | | | | | | "PCR" wrote in message | | | ... | | | Absolutely, it has not been fixed! PA Bear has been in | hibernation | | too | | | long, I think! Looks like it's more disturbing to you & others | who | | | actually do have a large number of large files to move/delete. | But, | | stay | | | tuned. Who knows? Maybe cquirke will light a fire under MS's | butt! | | | | | | | hangs and the puter is unusable, initially... lock-up. I use | to do | | a | | | forced | | | | re-boot. I have learned to **WAIT** the puter needs several | | minutes | | | to | | | | recover. sometimes 3-5 mins. & I walk away. Come back, all is | | well | | | w/puter, | | | | recovery occurs!! | | | | | | Well, has no one gotten that "Low resources, close some apps" | | message | | | but me? (Well, even I didn't always get it.) Anyway, that's | | interesting. | | | After it has recovered, can you then Delete or Move small files | at | | will, | | | or will they also cause the delay? How big are the graphic | files, & | | how | | | many do you have to Delete for the problem to first show up? | | | | | | *** Fldrs w/3000 files, slow recovery. Media Catalog has over 50 | | fldrs. & | | | over 3000 files. I have bigger folders, all **My Old My Documents | | fldrs, | | | from past installs using various OS's, average 200 - 400 mb.** I | | don't move | | | large bulk fldrs too ofter, but delete them from zip drive and | work | | fldr. on | | | my desktop. After, I do back-up, I delete all the files in my | work | | fldr | | | which is slow recovery. | | | | | | *** 250mb delete off Iomega zip, same problem, must wait for | recovery, | | | delete pixes using USB card reader removable drive, same thing. | | | | | | *** I don't copy/paste... I use **send-to** Iomega zip or In-CD, | that | | works, | | | no recovery required. Deleting for me is the p-i-t-a and I don't | move | | these | | | fldrs, they are all on my D partition, I just need to keep them | | back-up and | | | up-to-date!! | | | | | | Star. | | | | | | Thanks or Good Luck, | | | There may be humor in this post, and, | | | Naturally, you will not sue, | | | should things get worse after this, | | | PCR | | | | | | "Star" wrote in message | | | ... | | | | PCR Pro & All | | | | I do have IE-SP1 & ALL updates except KB891711 & I have this | | problem | | | to a | | | | *lesser* degree upon deleting lg. fldrs, it occurs whether I'm | | | **deleting | | | | from my hd or removable drives on my puter**. | | | | | | | | I have a faster puter, 2 GHz... and Explorer protests all the | | time, | | | appears | | | | Explorer can't recover and I followed PCR's link here. I | issue | | the | | | delete | | | | command, dialog command box opens and after the files are | deleted, | | | Windows | | | | hangs and the puter is unusable, initially... lock-up. I use | to do | | a | | | forced | | | | re-boot. I have learned to **WAIT** the puter needs several | | minutes | | | to | | | | recover. sometimes 3-5 mins. & I walk away. Come back, all is | | well | | | w/puter, | | | | recovery occurs!! | | | | | | | | I use to run Office 2000... someone mentioned the Media | Catalog. | | I | | | took my | | | | Media Catalog too from Windows\Application Data fldr created | by | | Office | | | 2000. | | | | I have more than 3000 graphic files in that fldr. I moved all | my | | audio | | | files | | | | out however to a new fldr & organized. I spent nearly 3 mos. | | | organizing the | | | | Media Catalog that is on my D partition. I do monthly double | | back-ups | | | to | | | | Iomega zip and writing to a my CD-RW and it takes me quite | | sometime, | | | | unfortunately because of Windows lengthy recovery after | deleting | | any | | | bulk | | | | fldrs. | | | | | | | | Been doing Windows since 3.1 & have audio, video, swf, PPT, | eml, | | | picture | | | | fldrs, avid digital camera user; htmls and the problem is a | | p-i-t-a. | | | I take | | | | no chances w/my stuff, anything new is saved to my D partition | and | | is | | | also | | | | saved to a work fldr on my desktop until my double back-ups | are | | | done... when | | | | I finally delete the files in the fldr on my desktop, Windows | | | **screams**!! | | | | | | | | Posting to support the documentation of this problem and poor | | recovery | | | of | | | | Windows. I'm not surprised, that MS knows... reporting has | | occured. | | | Just | | | | not enough reporting because it has not been fixed !! | | | | | | | | Star | | | | | | | | | | | | "PCR" wrote in message | | | | ... | | | | That site says... | | | | http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm | | | | ......Quote................. | | | | Specifically, the version of Windows Explorer that comes | with IE | | 6 | | | | gobbles up all of a system's available memory resources | whenever | | the | | | | user deletes a large number of files or empties the recycle | bin. | | | These | | | | resources are never given back to the system and the | | repurcussions | | | | snowball, affecting the user's ability to open programs, | open | | files, | | | | manipulate files, and view web pages. | | | | ......EOQ................... | | | | | | | | It has the ring of truth, because, in my last test/two of | it, | | there | | | | actually was a resources error message involved near the end | of | | the | | | | delete. Yet, Resource Meter appeared to be unaware of it, | still | | | showing | | | | plenty. | | | | | | | | But I needed to delete .5 GB of folders full of folders & | files, | | | before | | | | the error will occur. | | | | | | | | | | | | -- | | | | Thanks or Good Luck, | | | | There may be humor in this post, and, | | | | Naturally, you will not sue, | | | | should things get worse after this, | | | | PCR | | | | | | | | "Rick Chauvin" wrote in message | | | | ... | | | | | PA Bear wrote: | | | | | | | | | | Who's Robert? | | | | | | | | | | I meant Robear ...meant no harm. | | | | | | | | | | I continue to disagree with you and ChrisQ about the | | problem. | | | While | | | | it may | | | | | be machine-related, I don't believe it's related to any | | | particular | | | | Windows | | | | | Update or IE6 SP1. If it were, we'd see many more Win98 | | users | | | with | | | | the | | | | | problem. | | | | | | | | | | Okay that's fine you can disagree all you want. | | | | | | | | | | The fact is I can personally vouch for the facts that I | have | | two | | | | different | | | | | boxes in front of me right now that have the problem which | | started | | | | happening | | | | | with the first release of IE6 and absolutely the exact | same | | | problem is | | | | still | | | | | there when IE6SP1 including with Any subsequent updates | | installed | | | | after SP1 | | | | | came out. | | | | | | | | | | If anyone who is in charge wants to work with me on the | | problem to | | | get | | | | | information fine, I have the goods. I do not deal with | | hearsay. | | | | | | | | | | Rick | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ...The issue that the link | | | | | http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm | speaks | | about | | | was | | | | never | | | | | fixed and I can guarantee it's 100% immutable that the | | problem | | | does | | | | exist | | | | | for W98x. | | | | | | | | | | Have all of those suffering from this problem installed | IE6 | | SP1 | | | and | | | | | further, post-SP1 updates? They have been /the/ fix for | the | | | vast | | | | majority | | | | | of Win98 users. | | | | | -- | | | | | ~PA Bear | | | | | | | | | | Rick Chauvin wrote: | | | | | PA Bear wrote: | | | | | X-Posting to Win95 and WinME NGs eliminated. | | | | | | | | | | Rick, I don't think MS05-002/KB891711 has anything to | do | | with | | | the | | | | issue | | | | | about which you post. | | | | | | | | | | Hi Robert, | | | | | You have totally misunderstood my post. I'm sorry you | did. | | | | | Of course we all knowMS05-002/KB891711 has nothing to | do | | with | | | the | | | | link I | | | | | gave. | http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm | | | | | | | | | | As I said I took this extra opportunity to tag onto | Jerry | | | Bryant | | | | MCSE, | | | | | MCDBA post to express to the MS coders about another | | important | | | | issue that | | | | | is of great importance for 9x to get fixed - besides | what | | the | | | OP is | | | | about. | | | | | I apologize for tagging onto it, but felt it was | important | | | enough. | | | | | | | | | | (As you know, my position is that IE6 with SP1 | installed | | has | | | | | fixed your issue for the vast majority of Win98 | users.) | | | | | | | | | | Again here too Robert I have no idea what you are | referring | | to, | | | but | | | | surely | | | | | you are mistaken here of what we are talking about | which | | has | | | been | | | | well | | | | | confirmed in this 9x newsgroup a hundred times over the | | last 2 | | | | years; | | | | | thousands of times elsewhere. The issue that the link | | | | | http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm | speaks | | about | | | was | | | | never | | | | | fixed and I can guarantee it's 100% immutable that the | | problem | | | does | | | | exist | | | | | for W98x. I would of not stuck my neck out to make my | post | | if | | | it | | | | wasn't. | | | | | I guess you don't know me. | | | | | | | | | | The problem is old news but for heavens sake Robert | earlier | | | just | | | | today | | | | | even your own Extremely capable MVP Chris Quirke | (cquirke) | | is | | | | onboard | | | | | with this issue and actually uses 9x to know. Listen | up: | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Rick | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | -- | | | | | ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) | | | | | MS MVP-Windows (Shell, IE/OE) & Security | | | | | | | | | | Mastering Newsgroups in Outlook Express | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/...ewsgroups.mspx | | | | | | | | | | Rick Chauvin wrote: | | | | | Jerry Bryant, | | | | | | | | | | I do appreciate MS re-working this 891711 issue. | Thank | | you | | | to | | | | MS. | | | | | | | | | | Let me take this opportunity to ask you to pass | this | | along | | | as | | | | well in | | | | | high hopes this problem will be addressed once and | for | | all. | | | | It's a | | | | | big problem for 9x users and I can't imagine it's | | anything | | | but | | | | | embarrassing for MS to leave this bug the way it | is. We | | | even | | | | have | | | | | people making webpages talking about and trying to | help | | | people | | | | get | | | | | around the problem. | | | | | Please show this link to whomever is in charge as | it | | | outlines | | | | the | | | | | problem I'm speaking of pretty well, which has been | | talked | | | | about in | | | | | the 9x group for 2 years now, and so please ask | them to | | | finally | | | | fix | | | | | what the problem is, please, thank you. | | | | | | | | | | http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm | | | | | | | | | | Rick | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Jerry Bryant [MSFT] wrote: | | | | | Microsoft has received reports about issues with | | KB891711 | | | on | | | | | Windows 98, Windows 98 SE and Windows ME. At | this | | point, | | | we | | | | have | | | | | been able to confirm these reports and are | currently | | | working | | | | on a | | | | | resolution. | | | | | | | | | | Please note that by uninstalling the current | update, | | the | | | | machine | | | | | will return to a vulnerable state. At this | point, we | | are | | | | currently | | | | | not aware of customer's being exploited by way of | the | | | | vulnerability | | | | | fixed in MS05-002 on Windows 98, Windows 98 SE | and | | | Windows | | | | ME. If | | | | | you need additional assistance regarding this | update, | | | please | | | | | contact +1 (866) PCSAFETY. When calling, please | | indicate | | | that | | | | you | | | | | are having issues with a security update. -- | | | | | Regards, | | | | | | | | | | Jerry Bryant - MCSE, MCDBA | | | | | Microsoft IT Communities | | | | | | | | | | Get Secure! www.microsoft.com/security | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | This posting is provided "AS IS" with no | warranties, | | and | | | | confers no | | | | | rights. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
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