W98 networki enigma

Win98 can't access the internet, neighborhood OK.

I have some kind of network problem which I don't understand

The physical topography of the network is that the computer in question
is ethernet wired to a simple hub which is ethernet wired to an Airlink
router which is uplinked to a cable modem. There are no other computers
currently connected to the hub^1 and there are 2 other computers
currently ethernet wired to the router. Presently there are no wireless
connxns to the router, but recently a guest was connecting wirelessly to
the router just fine.

The wired computer in question, call it #3, can boot Win 98, Ub 7.04, or
Linspire 5. Both Linux distros on the same box can connect just fine.
The problem I'm focusing on here is the Win98 install partition's
problem, which W98 can see the local network and which can see the
router's config page and which can ping the cable modem's IP, but which
cannot see the modem's config page by IP address and cannot access
anything beyond the local network shares and the router's configuration
page.

The reason for mentioning the linux distro connectivity is to assert
that it isn't a simple hardware connectivity problem with the machine or
its integrated network lan function or the hub or the ethernet cable to
the router or the router's firmware. So the linux partition successes
is to address some kind of physical hardware connectivity problems.

I have performed the Win nic/ mobo-lan/ driver install about 8 different
ways and times without much problem. I've installed from the mobo mfr's
disk, both by install .exe and with the driver files letting Win find
them. I've configured for Win system to do with or without IRQ
steering. Any time there have been any alerts seen in the system
information they have been remedied.

Currently I can see the network neighborhood over tcp/ip without using
netbeui. I can send other winboxes in the network a winpopup message.
I can modify the router's configuration with #3. I cannot see the
modem's configuration page by IP address, or anything else beyond the
router. That's when computer #3 is in Win98 mode. When it is in Ubuntu
or Linspire, it can access the internet without problems.


^1 the hub is in there because later there will be two computers at the
same station at the end of an ethernet cable. The hub presence isn't
causing any trouble for the Ub/Lin OSes, it isn't logical that it would
be a factor for the Win partition.


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Mike Easter

"Mike Easter" wrote in message
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Win98 can't access the internet, neighborhood OK.

I have some kind of network problem which I don't understand

The way you explained it below, I doubt if anyone understands it. I
certainly do not, but that means nothing since I stepped out of the hardware
business in 1995 and (almost) never looked back. But there are some really
clever guys here who also kept silent, which proves my point.
Win98 and the internet go well together, this forum today has 692 messages
less than 3 wks old.
But still there's a lesson in it. If you put enough hardware between win98
and the internet, you reach a point where comms are lost, especially if you
use stuff that wasn't invented back then.

The physical topography of the network is that the computer in question
is ethernet wired to a simple hub which is ethernet wired to an Airlink
router which is uplinked to a cable modem. There are no other computers
currently connected to the hub^1 and there are 2 other computers
currently ethernet wired to the router. Presently there are no wireless
connxns to the router, but recently a guest was connecting wirelessly to
the router just fine.

The wired computer in question, call it #3, can boot Win 98, Ub 7.04, or
Linspire 5. Both Linux distros on the same box can connect just fine.
The problem I'm focusing on here is the Win98 install partition's
problem, which W98 can see the local network and which can see the
router's config page and which can ping the cable modem's IP, but which
cannot see the modem's config page by IP address and cannot access
anything beyond the local network shares and the router's configuration
page.

The reason for mentioning the linux distro connectivity is to assert
that it isn't a simple hardware connectivity problem with the machine or
its integrated network lan function or the hub or the ethernet cable to
the router or the router's firmware. So the linux partition successes
is to address some kind of physical hardware connectivity problems.

I have performed the Win nic/ mobo-lan/ driver install about 8 different
ways and times without much problem. I've installed from the mobo mfr's
disk, both by install .exe and with the driver files letting Win find
them. I've configured for Win system to do with or without IRQ
steering. Any time there have been any alerts seen in the system
information they have been remedied.

Currently I can see the network neighborhood over tcp/ip without using
netbeui. I can send other winboxes in the network a winpopup message.
I can modify the router's configuration with #3. I cannot see the
modem's configuration page by IP address, or anything else beyond the
router. That's when computer #3 is in Win98 mode. When it is in Ubuntu
or Linspire, it can access the internet without problems.


^1 the hub is in there because later there will be two computers at the
same station at the end of an ethernet cable. The hub presence isn't
causing any trouble for the Ub/Lin OSes, it isn't logical that it would
be a factor for the Win partition.


--
Mike Easter

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 20:16:08 -0700, Mike Easter
wrote:

Win98 can't access the internet, neighborhood OK.

I have some kind of network problem which I don't understand

The physical topography of the network is that the computer in question
is ethernet wired to a simple hub which is ethernet wired to an Airlink
router which is uplinked to a cable modem. There are no other computers
currently connected to the hub^1 and there are 2 other computers
currently ethernet wired to the router. Presently there are no wireless
connxns to the router, but recently a guest was connecting wirelessly to
the router just fine.

The wired computer in question, call it #3, can boot Win 98, Ub 7.04, or
Linspire 5. Both Linux distros on the same box can connect just fine.
The problem I'm focusing on here is the Win98 install partition's
problem, which W98 can see the local network and which can see the
router's config page and which can ping the cable modem's IP, but which
cannot see the modem's config page by IP address and cannot access
anything beyond the local network shares and the router's configuration
page.

The reason for mentioning the linux distro connectivity is to assert
that it isn't a simple hardware connectivity problem with the machine or
its integrated network lan function or the hub or the ethernet cable to
the router or the router's firmware. So the linux partition successes
is to address some kind of physical hardware connectivity problems.

I have performed the Win nic/ mobo-lan/ driver install about 8 different
ways and times without much problem. I've installed from the mobo mfr's
disk, both by install .exe and with the driver files letting Win find
them. I've configured for Win system to do with or without IRQ
steering. Any time there have been any alerts seen in the system
information they have been remedied.

Currently I can see the network neighborhood over tcp/ip without using
netbeui. I can send other winboxes in the network a winpopup message.
I can modify the router's configuration with #3. I cannot see the
modem's configuration page by IP address, or anything else beyond the
router. That's when computer #3 is in Win98 mode. When it is in Ubuntu
or Linspire, it can access the internet without problems.


^1 the hub is in there because later there will be two computers at the
same station at the end of an ethernet cable. The hub presence isn't
causing any trouble for the Ub/Lin OSes, it isn't logical that it would
be a factor for the Win partition.


--
Mike Easter

Mike

I have Win98SE computers in a similar network configuration to yours
and they work fine.

If ever they don't work fine (very rare event) I just change something
on the NIC and then change it back. (i.e. Something like Microsoft
Logon, for example.) This precipitates a computer re-boot to reload
the NIC software, after which any network problems just seem to
disappear for me.

Probably not helpful to you, but just for the record.

Ross