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Old September 26th 09, 09:08 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
internaughtfull
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Default Help with USB hang, raid drivers

Hi,
I've got win98SE thats worked for quite awhile,
although recently when I boot up and the modem is plugged in
the USB port, the computer hangs right after the win98SE splash
screen disappears. I then have to turn the computer off and
boot into safe mode and shutdown, unplug the modem, then
finally reboot into regular win98.

I have looked in Device Manager after rebooting into safe mode
and found no 'unknown devices' or question marks to delete.

If I plug the modem in *after booting up, then my firewall asks
if its ok, I click ok, and the modem works.

The printer USB connection will also cause the same thing.
This just happened recently but I can't pinpoint what is going on.
-------------------

Secondly,

I have to do a clean install of win98 on *another disk that has a
Promise RAID controller on it. I know that when doing a clean install
of XP you have to hit F6 at a certain moment and stick the driver in
during setup--or, you can do it later when the software wizard pops
up.

Is there something similar with win98 I need to look out for?
---

Thanks for any help. I've considered doing a quick reinstallation
for the first problem, but I wanted to see if anyone knew of some
obvious USB problem to alert me to first.

itchy


  #2  
Old September 26th 09, 03:08 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
98 Guy
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Default Help with USB hang, raid drivers

internaughtfull wrote:

Hi,
I've got win98SE thats worked for quite awhile,
although recently when I boot up and the modem is plugged in
the USB port,


Get an ethernet card (if you don't already have one) and plug your modem
into the ethernet port (don't use USB).

I'm assuming this is a cable or DSL modem (broadband internet modem).

I have to do a clean install of win98 on *another disk that
has a Promise RAID controller on it. I know that when doing
a clean install of XP you have to hit F6 at a certain moment
and stick the driver in during setup--or, you can do it later
when the software wizard pops up.

Is there something similar with win98 I need to look out for?


Is this Promise controller for SATA drives, or IDE?

If it's for Sata, then is your boot or "c" drive going to be a SATA
drive? The promise controller should have a bios setup menu that you
can access when the system boots, and you can configure your SATA drives
to appear as if they were mapped to a virtual IDE controller (and
therefore not be raid-compatible).

If you leave the Promise controller set as a SATA controller (with or
without RAID enabled) then when you install windows 98, the installation
will proceed smoothly and you will notice nothing wrong, but windows
will be using compatability-mode access for the drive (ie - DOS mode).
To gain full 32-bit performance, you will need to install the promise
win-98 driver (assuming you have one). You can do this after win-98 has
been fully installed. You can't do that if you're installing XP (that's
why you need to provide XP the driver during the install process).

Regarding RAID - I don't think it's useful to enable RAID for windows
98. Certainly if you have only one hard drive, you can't run any form
of raid with only 1 physical hard drive in the system.

If your hard drive is larger than 128 gb, then there are some very
important issues that you need to consider.
  #3  
Old September 26th 09, 03:08 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
98 Guy
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Default Help with USB hang, raid drivers

internaughtfull wrote:

Hi,
I've got win98SE thats worked for quite awhile,
although recently when I boot up and the modem is plugged in
the USB port,


Get an ethernet card (if you don't already have one) and plug your modem
into the ethernet port (don't use USB).

I'm assuming this is a cable or DSL modem (broadband internet modem).

I have to do a clean install of win98 on *another disk that
has a Promise RAID controller on it. I know that when doing
a clean install of XP you have to hit F6 at a certain moment
and stick the driver in during setup--or, you can do it later
when the software wizard pops up.

Is there something similar with win98 I need to look out for?


Is this Promise controller for SATA drives, or IDE?

If it's for Sata, then is your boot or "c" drive going to be a SATA
drive? The promise controller should have a bios setup menu that you
can access when the system boots, and you can configure your SATA drives
to appear as if they were mapped to a virtual IDE controller (and
therefore not be raid-compatible).

If you leave the Promise controller set as a SATA controller (with or
without RAID enabled) then when you install windows 98, the installation
will proceed smoothly and you will notice nothing wrong, but windows
will be using compatability-mode access for the drive (ie - DOS mode).
To gain full 32-bit performance, you will need to install the promise
win-98 driver (assuming you have one). You can do this after win-98 has
been fully installed. You can't do that if you're installing XP (that's
why you need to provide XP the driver during the install process).

Regarding RAID - I don't think it's useful to enable RAID for windows
98. Certainly if you have only one hard drive, you can't run any form
of raid with only 1 physical hard drive in the system.

If your hard drive is larger than 128 gb, then there are some very
important issues that you need to consider.
  #4  
Old September 27th 09, 12:18 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
internaughtfull
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Posts: 6
Default Help with USB hang, raid drivers

On Sep 26, 10:08*am, 98 Guy wrote:
internaughtfull wrote:
Hi,
I've got win98SE *thats worked for quite awhile,
although recently when I boot up and the modem is plugged in
the USB port,


Get an ethernet card (if you don't already have one) and plug your modem
into the ethernet port (don't use USB).

I'm assuming this is a cable or DSL modem (broadband internet modem).

I have to do a clean install of win98 on *another disk that
has a Promise RAID controller on it. I know that when doing
a clean install of XP you have to hit F6 at a certain moment
and stick the driver in during setup--or, you can do it later
when the software wizard pops up.


Is there something similar with win98 I need to look out for?


Is this Promise controller for SATA drives, or IDE?

If it's for Sata, then is your boot or "c" drive going to be a SATA
drive? *The promise controller should have a bios setup menu that you
can access when the system boots, and you can configure your SATA drives
to appear as if they were mapped to a virtual IDE controller (and
therefore not be raid-compatible).

If you leave the Promise controller set as a SATA controller (with or
without RAID enabled) then when you install windows 98, the installation
will proceed smoothly and you will notice nothing wrong, but windows
will be using compatability-mode access for the drive (ie - DOS mode).
To gain full 32-bit performance, you will need to install the promise
win-98 driver (assuming you have one). *You can do this after win-98 has
been fully installed. *You can't do that if you're installing XP (that's
why you need to provide XP the driver during the install process).

Regarding RAID - I don't think it's useful to enable RAID for windows
98. *Certainly if you have only one hard drive, you can't run any form
of raid with only 1 physical hard drive in the system.

If your hard drive is larger than 128 gb, then there are some very
important issues that you need to consider.



They are all EIDE drives, not the newer SATA drives. I have three boot
drives
that I can select from at boot up, and one commonly shared data
drive.
The gigabyte motherboard has a promise raid controller on it so those
drivers
have to be installed. When the XP drive went bad, I learned how to
install
those drivers, yay. Its the Stripe/RAid 1+0 type. Thx for letting me
know
I can install the win98 drivers *after I do a full win98 install.

I probably will pass on the ethernet card, but would the
bootlog.txt method help me diagnose this problem?
That would be booting up with the usb plugged in, and then trying to
access
the bootlog somehow before it got overwritten by a safe mode boot
log.
Is that worth looking at?

Currently, if I boot up a few times in safe mode, shut down, then boot
up into
regular win98, it will not hang if no USB is plugged in.
Then if I turn off the firewall, plug in the modem, then turn the
firewall back on,
I can get internet [and get some answers]. This is ridiculous I know,
and I am
migrating the new modem to the XP drive. Btw it worked fine for a long
time
with no hangs. I will do one of those 'overlay' setup reinstalls and
see if that
helps.

One thing, in Device Manager, under SCSI devices Promise was listed
twice in Safe Mode, so I deleted one of those. This did not help the
USB situation though.
After a reboot and a hang and a return to safe mode, I noticed under
Disk Drives there were two identical Promise entries so I deleted
one. This caused a subsequent reboot to ask for a promise driver
installation which I did, and the
system recovered. Oh well.

thx

itchy

  #5  
Old September 27th 09, 12:18 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
internaughtfull
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Posts: 6
Default Help with USB hang, raid drivers

On Sep 26, 10:08*am, 98 Guy wrote:
internaughtfull wrote:
Hi,
I've got win98SE *thats worked for quite awhile,
although recently when I boot up and the modem is plugged in
the USB port,


Get an ethernet card (if you don't already have one) and plug your modem
into the ethernet port (don't use USB).

I'm assuming this is a cable or DSL modem (broadband internet modem).

I have to do a clean install of win98 on *another disk that
has a Promise RAID controller on it. I know that when doing
a clean install of XP you have to hit F6 at a certain moment
and stick the driver in during setup--or, you can do it later
when the software wizard pops up.


Is there something similar with win98 I need to look out for?


Is this Promise controller for SATA drives, or IDE?

If it's for Sata, then is your boot or "c" drive going to be a SATA
drive? *The promise controller should have a bios setup menu that you
can access when the system boots, and you can configure your SATA drives
to appear as if they were mapped to a virtual IDE controller (and
therefore not be raid-compatible).

If you leave the Promise controller set as a SATA controller (with or
without RAID enabled) then when you install windows 98, the installation
will proceed smoothly and you will notice nothing wrong, but windows
will be using compatability-mode access for the drive (ie - DOS mode).
To gain full 32-bit performance, you will need to install the promise
win-98 driver (assuming you have one). *You can do this after win-98 has
been fully installed. *You can't do that if you're installing XP (that's
why you need to provide XP the driver during the install process).

Regarding RAID - I don't think it's useful to enable RAID for windows
98. *Certainly if you have only one hard drive, you can't run any form
of raid with only 1 physical hard drive in the system.

If your hard drive is larger than 128 gb, then there are some very
important issues that you need to consider.



They are all EIDE drives, not the newer SATA drives. I have three boot
drives
that I can select from at boot up, and one commonly shared data
drive.
The gigabyte motherboard has a promise raid controller on it so those
drivers
have to be installed. When the XP drive went bad, I learned how to
install
those drivers, yay. Its the Stripe/RAid 1+0 type. Thx for letting me
know
I can install the win98 drivers *after I do a full win98 install.

I probably will pass on the ethernet card, but would the
bootlog.txt method help me diagnose this problem?
That would be booting up with the usb plugged in, and then trying to
access
the bootlog somehow before it got overwritten by a safe mode boot
log.
Is that worth looking at?

Currently, if I boot up a few times in safe mode, shut down, then boot
up into
regular win98, it will not hang if no USB is plugged in.
Then if I turn off the firewall, plug in the modem, then turn the
firewall back on,
I can get internet [and get some answers]. This is ridiculous I know,
and I am
migrating the new modem to the XP drive. Btw it worked fine for a long
time
with no hangs. I will do one of those 'overlay' setup reinstalls and
see if that
helps.

One thing, in Device Manager, under SCSI devices Promise was listed
twice in Safe Mode, so I deleted one of those. This did not help the
USB situation though.
After a reboot and a hang and a return to safe mode, I noticed under
Disk Drives there were two identical Promise entries so I deleted
one. This caused a subsequent reboot to ask for a promise driver
installation which I did, and the
system recovered. Oh well.

thx

itchy

  #6  
Old September 27th 09, 02:54 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
98 Guy
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Posts: 2,951
Default Help with USB hang, raid drivers

(please don't full-quote your replies.)

internaughtfull wrote:

I probably will pass on the ethernet card, but would the
bootlog.txt method help me diagnose this problem?


Speaking frankly, the use of the USB port to connect to a broad-band
modem is highly inferior to using an ethernet port. Ethernet cards do a
much better job of handling network data transfer than USB, and require
less CPU involvement (more of the data transfer is done by the hardware
with ethernet, vs much more cpu involvement with USB).

Most computers made in the last 5 or 6 years will have an ethernet port
built into their motherboard. If yours does not, then you obviously
have an old motherboard, meaning you have a relatively low-speed CPU
(Pentium 2 or 3, probably less than 600 mhz in speed) - which would
benefit even more by having an ethernet card and using it to communicate
with your broadband modem. Ethernet cards are very cheap - $10 to $15.

That would be booting up with the usb plugged in, and then
trying to access the bootlog somehow before it got
overwritten by a safe mode boot log.
Is that worth looking at?


The way I see it, I would never waste my time trying to fix USB
connectivity to my broadband modem - because I'd be using my ethernet
port for that. And one more thing - I'd have by modem connected to my
router, because I have more than one PC connected to the internet and my
modem has only one port, so my router (8-port) allows for more devices
to be connected to the internet - and none of those ports are USB.

Currently, if I boot up a few times in safe mode, shut down,
then boot up into regular win98, it will not hang if no USB
is plugged in.


It's not uncommon for a system to hang if certain USB devices are
plugged into the computer during power-up. And this problem can come
and go without changing anything. One more reason not to use USB to
connect to your modem.

Then if I turn off the firewall, plug in the modem, then
turn the firewall back on,


If you had a router, you wouldn't need to run a software firewall.
Routers use a protocal known as NAT, which (as a side effect) functions
as a firewall.

Your modem *might* be implimenting NAT internally. What are the first
two numbers of your IP address (as seen when you open a dos window and
enter the command ipconfig) ?
  #7  
Old September 27th 09, 02:54 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
98 Guy
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Posts: 2,951
Default Help with USB hang, raid drivers

(please don't full-quote your replies.)

internaughtfull wrote:

I probably will pass on the ethernet card, but would the
bootlog.txt method help me diagnose this problem?


Speaking frankly, the use of the USB port to connect to a broad-band
modem is highly inferior to using an ethernet port. Ethernet cards do a
much better job of handling network data transfer than USB, and require
less CPU involvement (more of the data transfer is done by the hardware
with ethernet, vs much more cpu involvement with USB).

Most computers made in the last 5 or 6 years will have an ethernet port
built into their motherboard. If yours does not, then you obviously
have an old motherboard, meaning you have a relatively low-speed CPU
(Pentium 2 or 3, probably less than 600 mhz in speed) - which would
benefit even more by having an ethernet card and using it to communicate
with your broadband modem. Ethernet cards are very cheap - $10 to $15.

That would be booting up with the usb plugged in, and then
trying to access the bootlog somehow before it got
overwritten by a safe mode boot log.
Is that worth looking at?


The way I see it, I would never waste my time trying to fix USB
connectivity to my broadband modem - because I'd be using my ethernet
port for that. And one more thing - I'd have by modem connected to my
router, because I have more than one PC connected to the internet and my
modem has only one port, so my router (8-port) allows for more devices
to be connected to the internet - and none of those ports are USB.

Currently, if I boot up a few times in safe mode, shut down,
then boot up into regular win98, it will not hang if no USB
is plugged in.


It's not uncommon for a system to hang if certain USB devices are
plugged into the computer during power-up. And this problem can come
and go without changing anything. One more reason not to use USB to
connect to your modem.

Then if I turn off the firewall, plug in the modem, then
turn the firewall back on,


If you had a router, you wouldn't need to run a software firewall.
Routers use a protocal known as NAT, which (as a side effect) functions
as a firewall.

Your modem *might* be implimenting NAT internally. What are the first
two numbers of your IP address (as seen when you open a dos window and
enter the command ipconfig) ?
  #8  
Old September 29th 09, 06:36 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
internaughtfull
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Posts: 6
Default Help with USB hang, raid drivers

[...]

If you had a router, you wouldn't need to run a software firewall.
Routers use a protocal known as NAT, which (as a side effect) functions
as a firewall.

Your modem *might* be implimenting NAT internally. *What are the first
two numbers of your IP address (as seen when you open a dos window and
enter the command ipconfig) ?


ipconfig yields
Ethernet Adaptor IP: 16....
Ethernet Adaptor IP: 19...

Hey would deleting the USB entries under Device Manager and
reinstalling
them help any?

..
  #9  
Old September 29th 09, 06:36 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
internaughtfull
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 6
Default Help with USB hang, raid drivers

[...]

If you had a router, you wouldn't need to run a software firewall.
Routers use a protocal known as NAT, which (as a side effect) functions
as a firewall.

Your modem *might* be implimenting NAT internally. *What are the first
two numbers of your IP address (as seen when you open a dos window and
enter the command ipconfig) ?


ipconfig yields
Ethernet Adaptor IP: 16....
Ethernet Adaptor IP: 19...

Hey would deleting the USB entries under Device Manager and
reinstalling
them help any?

..
  #10  
Old October 1st 09, 02:03 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
98 Guy
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Posts: 2,951
Default Help with USB hang, raid drivers

internaughtfull wrote:

Your modem *might* be implimenting NAT internally. What are the
first two numbers of your IP address (as seen when you open a
dos window and enter the command ipconfig) ?


ipconfig yields
Ethernet Adaptor IP: 16....
Ethernet Adaptor IP: 19...


If you see any of these:

IP Address . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.xxx.xxx.xxx

IP Address . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 172.16.xxx.xxx
172.17.xxx.xxx
(...)
172.31.xxx.xxx

IP Address . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.xxx.xxx

Then you're already behind a NAT router, which means you don't need to
run a software firewall.

If you don't see any of those, then odds are you should be able to turn
on NAT in your modem by accessing your modem's setup menu (from a
browser like IE or firefox). A google search for your modem should tell
you how to do that.

Hey would deleting the USB entries under Device Manager
and reinstalling them help any?


Do yourself a favor and connect your modem to your computer using your
ethernet port.

If you don't have an ethernet port on your computer, go and buy an
ethernet card for $10.
 




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