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Help with USB hang, raid drivers
Hi,
I've got win98SE thats worked for quite awhile, although recently when I boot up and the modem is plugged in the USB port, the computer hangs right after the win98SE splash screen disappears. I then have to turn the computer off and boot into safe mode and shutdown, unplug the modem, then finally reboot into regular win98. I have looked in Device Manager after rebooting into safe mode and found no 'unknown devices' or question marks to delete. If I plug the modem in *after booting up, then my firewall asks if its ok, I click ok, and the modem works. The printer USB connection will also cause the same thing. This just happened recently but I can't pinpoint what is going on. ------------------- Secondly, I have to do a clean install of win98 on *another disk that has a Promise RAID controller on it. I know that when doing a clean install of XP you have to hit F6 at a certain moment and stick the driver in during setup--or, you can do it later when the software wizard pops up. Is there something similar with win98 I need to look out for? --- Thanks for any help. I've considered doing a quick reinstallation for the first problem, but I wanted to see if anyone knew of some obvious USB problem to alert me to first. itchy |
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internaughtfull wrote:
Hi, I've got win98SE thats worked for quite awhile, although recently when I boot up and the modem is plugged in the USB port, Get an ethernet card (if you don't already have one) and plug your modem into the ethernet port (don't use USB). I'm assuming this is a cable or DSL modem (broadband internet modem). I have to do a clean install of win98 on *another disk that has a Promise RAID controller on it. I know that when doing a clean install of XP you have to hit F6 at a certain moment and stick the driver in during setup--or, you can do it later when the software wizard pops up. Is there something similar with win98 I need to look out for? Is this Promise controller for SATA drives, or IDE? If it's for Sata, then is your boot or "c" drive going to be a SATA drive? The promise controller should have a bios setup menu that you can access when the system boots, and you can configure your SATA drives to appear as if they were mapped to a virtual IDE controller (and therefore not be raid-compatible). If you leave the Promise controller set as a SATA controller (with or without RAID enabled) then when you install windows 98, the installation will proceed smoothly and you will notice nothing wrong, but windows will be using compatability-mode access for the drive (ie - DOS mode). To gain full 32-bit performance, you will need to install the promise win-98 driver (assuming you have one). You can do this after win-98 has been fully installed. You can't do that if you're installing XP (that's why you need to provide XP the driver during the install process). Regarding RAID - I don't think it's useful to enable RAID for windows 98. Certainly if you have only one hard drive, you can't run any form of raid with only 1 physical hard drive in the system. If your hard drive is larger than 128 gb, then there are some very important issues that you need to consider. |
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internaughtfull wrote:
Hi, I've got win98SE thats worked for quite awhile, although recently when I boot up and the modem is plugged in the USB port, Get an ethernet card (if you don't already have one) and plug your modem into the ethernet port (don't use USB). I'm assuming this is a cable or DSL modem (broadband internet modem). I have to do a clean install of win98 on *another disk that has a Promise RAID controller on it. I know that when doing a clean install of XP you have to hit F6 at a certain moment and stick the driver in during setup--or, you can do it later when the software wizard pops up. Is there something similar with win98 I need to look out for? Is this Promise controller for SATA drives, or IDE? If it's for Sata, then is your boot or "c" drive going to be a SATA drive? The promise controller should have a bios setup menu that you can access when the system boots, and you can configure your SATA drives to appear as if they were mapped to a virtual IDE controller (and therefore not be raid-compatible). If you leave the Promise controller set as a SATA controller (with or without RAID enabled) then when you install windows 98, the installation will proceed smoothly and you will notice nothing wrong, but windows will be using compatability-mode access for the drive (ie - DOS mode). To gain full 32-bit performance, you will need to install the promise win-98 driver (assuming you have one). You can do this after win-98 has been fully installed. You can't do that if you're installing XP (that's why you need to provide XP the driver during the install process). Regarding RAID - I don't think it's useful to enable RAID for windows 98. Certainly if you have only one hard drive, you can't run any form of raid with only 1 physical hard drive in the system. If your hard drive is larger than 128 gb, then there are some very important issues that you need to consider. |
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On Sep 26, 10:08*am, 98 Guy wrote:
internaughtfull wrote: Hi, I've got win98SE *thats worked for quite awhile, although recently when I boot up and the modem is plugged in the USB port, Get an ethernet card (if you don't already have one) and plug your modem into the ethernet port (don't use USB). I'm assuming this is a cable or DSL modem (broadband internet modem). I have to do a clean install of win98 on *another disk that has a Promise RAID controller on it. I know that when doing a clean install of XP you have to hit F6 at a certain moment and stick the driver in during setup--or, you can do it later when the software wizard pops up. Is there something similar with win98 I need to look out for? Is this Promise controller for SATA drives, or IDE? If it's for Sata, then is your boot or "c" drive going to be a SATA drive? *The promise controller should have a bios setup menu that you can access when the system boots, and you can configure your SATA drives to appear as if they were mapped to a virtual IDE controller (and therefore not be raid-compatible). If you leave the Promise controller set as a SATA controller (with or without RAID enabled) then when you install windows 98, the installation will proceed smoothly and you will notice nothing wrong, but windows will be using compatability-mode access for the drive (ie - DOS mode). To gain full 32-bit performance, you will need to install the promise win-98 driver (assuming you have one). *You can do this after win-98 has been fully installed. *You can't do that if you're installing XP (that's why you need to provide XP the driver during the install process). Regarding RAID - I don't think it's useful to enable RAID for windows 98. *Certainly if you have only one hard drive, you can't run any form of raid with only 1 physical hard drive in the system. If your hard drive is larger than 128 gb, then there are some very important issues that you need to consider. They are all EIDE drives, not the newer SATA drives. I have three boot drives that I can select from at boot up, and one commonly shared data drive. The gigabyte motherboard has a promise raid controller on it so those drivers have to be installed. When the XP drive went bad, I learned how to install those drivers, yay. Its the Stripe/RAid 1+0 type. Thx for letting me know I can install the win98 drivers *after I do a full win98 install. I probably will pass on the ethernet card, but would the bootlog.txt method help me diagnose this problem? That would be booting up with the usb plugged in, and then trying to access the bootlog somehow before it got overwritten by a safe mode boot log. Is that worth looking at? Currently, if I boot up a few times in safe mode, shut down, then boot up into regular win98, it will not hang if no USB is plugged in. Then if I turn off the firewall, plug in the modem, then turn the firewall back on, I can get internet [and get some answers]. This is ridiculous I know, and I am migrating the new modem to the XP drive. Btw it worked fine for a long time with no hangs. I will do one of those 'overlay' setup reinstalls and see if that helps. One thing, in Device Manager, under SCSI devices Promise was listed twice in Safe Mode, so I deleted one of those. This did not help the USB situation though. After a reboot and a hang and a return to safe mode, I noticed under Disk Drives there were two identical Promise entries so I deleted one. This caused a subsequent reboot to ask for a promise driver installation which I did, and the system recovered. Oh well. thx itchy |
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On Sep 26, 10:08*am, 98 Guy wrote:
internaughtfull wrote: Hi, I've got win98SE *thats worked for quite awhile, although recently when I boot up and the modem is plugged in the USB port, Get an ethernet card (if you don't already have one) and plug your modem into the ethernet port (don't use USB). I'm assuming this is a cable or DSL modem (broadband internet modem). I have to do a clean install of win98 on *another disk that has a Promise RAID controller on it. I know that when doing a clean install of XP you have to hit F6 at a certain moment and stick the driver in during setup--or, you can do it later when the software wizard pops up. Is there something similar with win98 I need to look out for? Is this Promise controller for SATA drives, or IDE? If it's for Sata, then is your boot or "c" drive going to be a SATA drive? *The promise controller should have a bios setup menu that you can access when the system boots, and you can configure your SATA drives to appear as if they were mapped to a virtual IDE controller (and therefore not be raid-compatible). If you leave the Promise controller set as a SATA controller (with or without RAID enabled) then when you install windows 98, the installation will proceed smoothly and you will notice nothing wrong, but windows will be using compatability-mode access for the drive (ie - DOS mode). To gain full 32-bit performance, you will need to install the promise win-98 driver (assuming you have one). *You can do this after win-98 has been fully installed. *You can't do that if you're installing XP (that's why you need to provide XP the driver during the install process). Regarding RAID - I don't think it's useful to enable RAID for windows 98. *Certainly if you have only one hard drive, you can't run any form of raid with only 1 physical hard drive in the system. If your hard drive is larger than 128 gb, then there are some very important issues that you need to consider. They are all EIDE drives, not the newer SATA drives. I have three boot drives that I can select from at boot up, and one commonly shared data drive. The gigabyte motherboard has a promise raid controller on it so those drivers have to be installed. When the XP drive went bad, I learned how to install those drivers, yay. Its the Stripe/RAid 1+0 type. Thx for letting me know I can install the win98 drivers *after I do a full win98 install. I probably will pass on the ethernet card, but would the bootlog.txt method help me diagnose this problem? That would be booting up with the usb plugged in, and then trying to access the bootlog somehow before it got overwritten by a safe mode boot log. Is that worth looking at? Currently, if I boot up a few times in safe mode, shut down, then boot up into regular win98, it will not hang if no USB is plugged in. Then if I turn off the firewall, plug in the modem, then turn the firewall back on, I can get internet [and get some answers]. This is ridiculous I know, and I am migrating the new modem to the XP drive. Btw it worked fine for a long time with no hangs. I will do one of those 'overlay' setup reinstalls and see if that helps. One thing, in Device Manager, under SCSI devices Promise was listed twice in Safe Mode, so I deleted one of those. This did not help the USB situation though. After a reboot and a hang and a return to safe mode, I noticed under Disk Drives there were two identical Promise entries so I deleted one. This caused a subsequent reboot to ask for a promise driver installation which I did, and the system recovered. Oh well. thx itchy |
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internaughtfull wrote: I probably will pass on the ethernet card, but would the bootlog.txt method help me diagnose this problem? Speaking frankly, the use of the USB port to connect to a broad-band modem is highly inferior to using an ethernet port. Ethernet cards do a much better job of handling network data transfer than USB, and require less CPU involvement (more of the data transfer is done by the hardware with ethernet, vs much more cpu involvement with USB). Most computers made in the last 5 or 6 years will have an ethernet port built into their motherboard. If yours does not, then you obviously have an old motherboard, meaning you have a relatively low-speed CPU (Pentium 2 or 3, probably less than 600 mhz in speed) - which would benefit even more by having an ethernet card and using it to communicate with your broadband modem. Ethernet cards are very cheap - $10 to $15. That would be booting up with the usb plugged in, and then trying to access the bootlog somehow before it got overwritten by a safe mode boot log. Is that worth looking at? The way I see it, I would never waste my time trying to fix USB connectivity to my broadband modem - because I'd be using my ethernet port for that. And one more thing - I'd have by modem connected to my router, because I have more than one PC connected to the internet and my modem has only one port, so my router (8-port) allows for more devices to be connected to the internet - and none of those ports are USB. Currently, if I boot up a few times in safe mode, shut down, then boot up into regular win98, it will not hang if no USB is plugged in. It's not uncommon for a system to hang if certain USB devices are plugged into the computer during power-up. And this problem can come and go without changing anything. One more reason not to use USB to connect to your modem. Then if I turn off the firewall, plug in the modem, then turn the firewall back on, If you had a router, you wouldn't need to run a software firewall. Routers use a protocal known as NAT, which (as a side effect) functions as a firewall. Your modem *might* be implimenting NAT internally. What are the first two numbers of your IP address (as seen when you open a dos window and enter the command ipconfig) ? |
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(please don't full-quote your replies.)
internaughtfull wrote: I probably will pass on the ethernet card, but would the bootlog.txt method help me diagnose this problem? Speaking frankly, the use of the USB port to connect to a broad-band modem is highly inferior to using an ethernet port. Ethernet cards do a much better job of handling network data transfer than USB, and require less CPU involvement (more of the data transfer is done by the hardware with ethernet, vs much more cpu involvement with USB). Most computers made in the last 5 or 6 years will have an ethernet port built into their motherboard. If yours does not, then you obviously have an old motherboard, meaning you have a relatively low-speed CPU (Pentium 2 or 3, probably less than 600 mhz in speed) - which would benefit even more by having an ethernet card and using it to communicate with your broadband modem. Ethernet cards are very cheap - $10 to $15. That would be booting up with the usb plugged in, and then trying to access the bootlog somehow before it got overwritten by a safe mode boot log. Is that worth looking at? The way I see it, I would never waste my time trying to fix USB connectivity to my broadband modem - because I'd be using my ethernet port for that. And one more thing - I'd have by modem connected to my router, because I have more than one PC connected to the internet and my modem has only one port, so my router (8-port) allows for more devices to be connected to the internet - and none of those ports are USB. Currently, if I boot up a few times in safe mode, shut down, then boot up into regular win98, it will not hang if no USB is plugged in. It's not uncommon for a system to hang if certain USB devices are plugged into the computer during power-up. And this problem can come and go without changing anything. One more reason not to use USB to connect to your modem. Then if I turn off the firewall, plug in the modem, then turn the firewall back on, If you had a router, you wouldn't need to run a software firewall. Routers use a protocal known as NAT, which (as a side effect) functions as a firewall. Your modem *might* be implimenting NAT internally. What are the first two numbers of your IP address (as seen when you open a dos window and enter the command ipconfig) ? |
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If you had a router, you wouldn't need to run a software firewall. Routers use a protocal known as NAT, which (as a side effect) functions as a firewall. Your modem *might* be implimenting NAT internally. *What are the first two numbers of your IP address (as seen when you open a dos window and enter the command ipconfig) ? ipconfig yields Ethernet Adaptor IP: 16.... Ethernet Adaptor IP: 19... Hey would deleting the USB entries under Device Manager and reinstalling them help any? .. |
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If you had a router, you wouldn't need to run a software firewall. Routers use a protocal known as NAT, which (as a side effect) functions as a firewall. Your modem *might* be implimenting NAT internally. *What are the first two numbers of your IP address (as seen when you open a dos window and enter the command ipconfig) ? ipconfig yields Ethernet Adaptor IP: 16.... Ethernet Adaptor IP: 19... Hey would deleting the USB entries under Device Manager and reinstalling them help any? .. |
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internaughtfull wrote:
Your modem *might* be implimenting NAT internally. What are the first two numbers of your IP address (as seen when you open a dos window and enter the command ipconfig) ? ipconfig yields Ethernet Adaptor IP: 16.... Ethernet Adaptor IP: 19... If you see any of these: IP Address . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.xxx.xxx.xxx IP Address . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 172.16.xxx.xxx 172.17.xxx.xxx (...) 172.31.xxx.xxx IP Address . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.xxx.xxx Then you're already behind a NAT router, which means you don't need to run a software firewall. If you don't see any of those, then odds are you should be able to turn on NAT in your modem by accessing your modem's setup menu (from a browser like IE or firefox). A google search for your modem should tell you how to do that. Hey would deleting the USB entries under Device Manager and reinstalling them help any? Do yourself a favor and connect your modem to your computer using your ethernet port. If you don't have an ethernet port on your computer, go and buy an ethernet card for $10. |
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