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  #21  
Old February 3rd 05, 04:42 PM
Shane
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I realize others may have a quite different experience. User "error" is
often the fundamental answer to such problems.


You think I don't know how to run Zone Alarm, Jack? I didn't have problems
with NAV 2000/2001. I accept, however, that on many machines those builds of
Symantec product did cause problems. I think you could call it user error
when comes to problems using Live Update, as IMO leaving it to *someone
else* to update one's AV is in itself a *user error* (although only akin to
feeling safe on the streets because one believes a policeman will always
show up when required, ie one that the establishment encourages), but the
mess left when attempting a standard uninstallation of the program, for
instance, is poor programming pure and simple.

A personal firewall, either software or hardware, is essential today, like
an AV tool. IMO, not to use one is to be an irresponsible member of the
internet community.


Yes Jack. I use Kerio. It requires more knowledge of firewalls than
ZoneAlarm, although it can (these days) be run in newb mode.


Shane


  #22  
Old February 3rd 05, 04:58 PM
Jack E Martinelli
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Default

" You think I don't know how to run Zone Alarm, Jack?"

I have obviously been unclear. You should know that I know you are a very
knowledgeable user, unlikely to make any typical newbie user error.
I never intended to imply that you did. Others, reading here, may have (and
often do).

I also run NAV, the 2004 Pro version, here just as a test of the often
reported errors. I do not have them either, excepting the well-recognized
problem if one reverts using SR to an earlier date prior to the last
signature update. I think everyone experiences that since it is a failing
of NAV, IMO. I would rather that my AV tool not write to the registry.

Sorry for not realizing how you might misunderstand my comments, and
apologize for them.
I don't have any facial expressions or tone of voice here to help convey my
meaning,
--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"Shane" wrote in message
...
I realize others may have a quite different experience. User "error" is
often the fundamental answer to such problems.


You think I don't know how to run Zone Alarm, Jack? I didn't have problems
with NAV 2000/2001. I accept, however, that on many machines those builds

of
Symantec product did cause problems. I think you could call it user error
when comes to problems using Live Update, as IMO leaving it to *someone
else* to update one's AV is in itself a *user error* (although only akin

to
feeling safe on the streets because one believes a policeman will always
show up when required, ie one that the establishment encourages), but the
mess left when attempting a standard uninstallation of the program, for
instance, is poor programming pure and simple.

A personal firewall, either software or hardware, is essential today,

like
an AV tool. IMO, not to use one is to be an irresponsible member of the
internet community.


Yes Jack. I use Kerio. It requires more knowledge of firewalls than
ZoneAlarm, although it can (these days) be run in newb mode.


Shane




  #23  
Old February 3rd 05, 05:16 PM
Shane
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OK Jack, no problem. My response probably read as less tongue-in-cheek than
was meant anyway and - besides trying to keep the emoticons and related
abbreviations to a minimum generally - I'm probably guilty of typing under
the influence of too much coffee! So I'm sorry for that.

I'm surprised you don't have more trouble with NAV 2004. I presume you
disable much from starting. My father's machine *starts* with less than 50%
resources (but he won't listen to me and disable anything!).

Anyway, I'll accept your apology if you'll accept mine.


Shane


"Jack E Martinelli" wrote in message
...
" You think I don't know how to run Zone Alarm, Jack?"

I have obviously been unclear. You should know that I know you are a very
knowledgeable user, unlikely to make any typical newbie user error.
I never intended to imply that you did. Others, reading here, may have
(and
often do).

I also run NAV, the 2004 Pro version, here just as a test of the often
reported errors. I do not have them either, excepting the well-recognized
problem if one reverts using SR to an earlier date prior to the last
signature update. I think everyone experiences that since it is a failing
of NAV, IMO. I would rather that my AV tool not write to the registry.

Sorry for not realizing how you might misunderstand my comments, and
apologize for them.
I don't have any facial expressions or tone of voice here to help convey
my
meaning,
--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"Shane" wrote in message
...
I realize others may have a quite different experience. User "error"
is
often the fundamental answer to such problems.


You think I don't know how to run Zone Alarm, Jack? I didn't have
problems
with NAV 2000/2001. I accept, however, that on many machines those builds

of
Symantec product did cause problems. I think you could call it user error
when comes to problems using Live Update, as IMO leaving it to *someone
else* to update one's AV is in itself a *user error* (although only akin

to
feeling safe on the streets because one believes a policeman will always
show up when required, ie one that the establishment encourages), but the
mess left when attempting a standard uninstallation of the program, for
instance, is poor programming pure and simple.

A personal firewall, either software or hardware, is essential today,

like
an AV tool. IMO, not to use one is to be an irresponsible member of
the
internet community.


Yes Jack. I use Kerio. It requires more knowledge of firewalls than
ZoneAlarm, although it can (these days) be run in newb mode.


Shane






  #24  
Old February 4th 05, 12:40 AM
Shane
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Default

Update: I just uninstalled Sygate in ME and put Kerio 4.1.2 on there.
Pretty-much any time I used Task Manager, SMC (Sygate) was *not
responding* - not that there was any indication of a problem. Also it seems
something of a resource hog.

Shane

"Shane" wrote in message
...
Hey Figgs! (and Harry),

While last year I spent some time on acv/acav defending AGV during it's
period of overloaded update servers (because you can still - easily -

update
defs manually), I'm a bit fed up with it now that it's happening again.

I'm
seriously considering going EZ Trust or (more likely) Kaspersky. I haven't
searched the Grisoft ftp yet, but via http there seems no way to get
*program* updates for AVG (as opposed to defs) other than via the program
itself, which at the moment times out repeatedly.

I've always considered that EZ Trust is better than AVG, but that AVG is
enough if coupled with common sense, ie Safe Hex (and that no AV is enough
without common sense!).

I've stopped using Kerio 2.1.5 because it is so old. There are occasions
when it's config file gets deleted for no apparent reason. I don't

consider
Zone Alarm a contender and so it's a toss up between Kerio and Sygate
Personal Firewalls.

Sygate Personal Firewall seems unable to install if *all* traces of the
previous firewall are not first removed, although it installs to a
clean-installed Win 9x without problems.

I had used previous builds of Sygate PF, but stopped a year or so ago
because it would occasionally crash (not something I want my firewall
doing!). However, the current build seems to run (in 9x) OK.

The current build does, however, appear to use WMI, which running from

early
in the boot process, interferes with ScanDefrag (and Scandisk generally)
unless Sygate is closed first (and WMI stopped). This is a minor issue, of
course, but an annoyance.

However, the latest build of Kerio PF does not have installation issues or
bugs that I'm presently aware of (I'm running it in XP). ATM I recommend
Kerio 4.1.2 www.kerio.com/kpf.


Shane

"Heather" wrote in message
...
Hi Harry......

Yes, I like EZ Trust. I have used it (and the freebie InoculateIT PE
version before) for at least 6 years at a guess. I had Norton 3 and

went
to
that after getting 4 viruses because Norton was defective!!

I can't tell you whether AVG & Sygate are better.....it is your choice.
One
thing in EZ Trust's favour tho, is that it updates every day.....AVG

does
not!! But if you practice *safe hex*, it matters not what you use. I
can't
remember the last time my AV went off......I have OE tweaked enough and

an
ISP that grabs viruses and spam, so that it rarely gets used.

So in essence, it is your choice. If you like them, then keep them. If
you
prefer an AV that updates more often, then go for EZ Trust.

Guess that didn't answer your question, did it (G).

Heather....

"webster72n" wrote in message
...
Hello Heather:

Knowing that you are an advocate of EZArmor, I would like your opinion

on
whether to go back to EZAntivirus and EZFirewall, which I had lost and
now
retrieved the exe. files, or keep the AVG Antivirus and Sygate

Firewall,
which were installed for immediate protection.
EZArmor requires uninstalling any other Antivirus Software, before

using
it.
I must say that I like AVG & Sygate quite a lot.
What's the verdict?

Harry, old and would prefer it both ways.








  #25  
Old February 4th 05, 02:06 AM
webster72n
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Thanks for the wink, Shane.

Harry.


"Shane" wrote in message
...
Update: I just uninstalled Sygate in ME and put Kerio 4.1.2 on there.
Pretty-much any time I used Task Manager, SMC (Sygate) was *not
responding* - not that there was any indication of a problem. Also it

seems
something of a resource hog.

Shane

"Shane" wrote in message
...
Hey Figgs! (and Harry),

While last year I spent some time on acv/acav defending AGV during it's
period of overloaded update servers (because you can still - easily -

update
defs manually), I'm a bit fed up with it now that it's happening again.

I'm
seriously considering going EZ Trust or (more likely) Kaspersky. I

haven't
searched the Grisoft ftp yet, but via http there seems no way to get
*program* updates for AVG (as opposed to defs) other than via the

program
itself, which at the moment times out repeatedly.

I've always considered that EZ Trust is better than AVG, but that AVG is
enough if coupled with common sense, ie Safe Hex (and that no AV is

enough
without common sense!).

I've stopped using Kerio 2.1.5 because it is so old. There are occasions
when it's config file gets deleted for no apparent reason. I don't

consider
Zone Alarm a contender and so it's a toss up between Kerio and Sygate
Personal Firewalls.

Sygate Personal Firewall seems unable to install if *all* traces of the
previous firewall are not first removed, although it installs to a
clean-installed Win 9x without problems.

I had used previous builds of Sygate PF, but stopped a year or so ago
because it would occasionally crash (not something I want my firewall
doing!). However, the current build seems to run (in 9x) OK.

The current build does, however, appear to use WMI, which running from

early
in the boot process, interferes with ScanDefrag (and Scandisk generally)
unless Sygate is closed first (and WMI stopped). This is a minor issue,

of
course, but an annoyance.

However, the latest build of Kerio PF does not have installation issues

or
bugs that I'm presently aware of (I'm running it in XP). ATM I recommend
Kerio 4.1.2 www.kerio.com/kpf.


Shane

"Heather" wrote in message
...
Hi Harry......

Yes, I like EZ Trust. I have used it (and the freebie InoculateIT PE
version before) for at least 6 years at a guess. I had Norton 3 and

went
to
that after getting 4 viruses because Norton was defective!!

I can't tell you whether AVG & Sygate are better.....it is your

choice.
One
thing in EZ Trust's favour tho, is that it updates every day.....AVG

does
not!! But if you practice *safe hex*, it matters not what you use. I
can't
remember the last time my AV went off......I have OE tweaked enough

and
an
ISP that grabs viruses and spam, so that it rarely gets used.

So in essence, it is your choice. If you like them, then keep them.

If
you
prefer an AV that updates more often, then go for EZ Trust.

Guess that didn't answer your question, did it (G).

Heather....

"webster72n" wrote in message
...
Hello Heather:

Knowing that you are an advocate of EZArmor, I would like your

opinion
on
whether to go back to EZAntivirus and EZFirewall, which I had lost

and
now
retrieved the exe. files, or keep the AVG Antivirus and Sygate

Firewall,
which were installed for immediate protection.
EZArmor requires uninstalling any other Antivirus Software, before

using
it.
I must say that I like AVG & Sygate quite a lot.
What's the verdict?

Harry, old and would prefer it both ways.










  #26  
Old February 4th 05, 02:50 AM
Jack E Martinelli
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Posts: n/a
Default

I'll certainly accept your apology, which I think is entirely unnecessary,
as I have never felt to be offended by you, nor that you have impugned
others here, and I do run a very lean machine for this WinME testbed.
As we speak, user resources here are at 43% and GDI at 68%, after several
hours in this session. Not atypical.

We must meet if I get to England anytime soon. What a party it will be!
--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"Shane" wrote in message
...
OK Jack, no problem. My response probably read as less tongue-in-cheek

than
was meant anyway and - besides trying to keep the emoticons and related
abbreviations to a minimum generally - I'm probably guilty of typing under
the influence of too much coffee! So I'm sorry for that.

I'm surprised you don't have more trouble with NAV 2004. I presume you
disable much from starting. My father's machine *starts* with less than

50%
resources (but he won't listen to me and disable anything!).

Anyway, I'll accept your apology if you'll accept mine.


Shane


"Jack E Martinelli" wrote in message
...
" You think I don't know how to run Zone Alarm, Jack?"

I have obviously been unclear. You should know that I know you are a

very
knowledgeable user, unlikely to make any typical newbie user error.
I never intended to imply that you did. Others, reading here, may have
(and
often do).

I also run NAV, the 2004 Pro version, here just as a test of the often
reported errors. I do not have them either, excepting the

well-recognized
problem if one reverts using SR to an earlier date prior to the last
signature update. I think everyone experiences that since it is a

failing
of NAV, IMO. I would rather that my AV tool not write to the registry.

Sorry for not realizing how you might misunderstand my comments, and
apologize for them.
I don't have any facial expressions or tone of voice here to help convey
my
meaning,
--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"Shane" wrote in message
...
I realize others may have a quite different experience. User "error"
is
often the fundamental answer to such problems.

You think I don't know how to run Zone Alarm, Jack? I didn't have
problems
with NAV 2000/2001. I accept, however, that on many machines those

builds
of
Symantec product did cause problems. I think you could call it user

error
when comes to problems using Live Update, as IMO leaving it to *someone
else* to update one's AV is in itself a *user error* (although only

akin
to
feeling safe on the streets because one believes a policeman will

always
show up when required, ie one that the establishment encourages), but

the
mess left when attempting a standard uninstallation of the program, for
instance, is poor programming pure and simple.

A personal firewall, either software or hardware, is essential today,

like
an AV tool. IMO, not to use one is to be an irresponsible member of
the
internet community.

Yes Jack. I use Kerio. It requires more knowledge of firewalls than
ZoneAlarm, although it can (these days) be run in newb mode.


Shane



  #27  
Old February 4th 05, 02:52 AM
Jack E Martinelli
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

And what does/did Process Explorer report about Sygate's cpu usage? Or
Resource Meter's report vis a vis Kerio and Sygate?

--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"Shane" wrote in message
...
Update: I just uninstalled Sygate in ME and put Kerio 4.1.2 on there.
Pretty-much any time I used Task Manager, SMC (Sygate) was *not
responding* - not that there was any indication of a problem. Also it

seems
something of a resource hog.

Shane

"Shane" wrote in message
...
Hey Figgs! (and Harry),

While last year I spent some time on acv/acav defending AGV during it's
period of overloaded update servers (because you can still - easily -

update
defs manually), I'm a bit fed up with it now that it's happening again.

I'm
seriously considering going EZ Trust or (more likely) Kaspersky. I

haven't
searched the Grisoft ftp yet, but via http there seems no way to get
*program* updates for AVG (as opposed to defs) other than via the

program
itself, which at the moment times out repeatedly.

I've always considered that EZ Trust is better than AVG, but that AVG is
enough if coupled with common sense, ie Safe Hex (and that no AV is

enough
without common sense!).

I've stopped using Kerio 2.1.5 because it is so old. There are occasions
when it's config file gets deleted for no apparent reason. I don't

consider
Zone Alarm a contender and so it's a toss up between Kerio and Sygate
Personal Firewalls.

Sygate Personal Firewall seems unable to install if *all* traces of the
previous firewall are not first removed, although it installs to a
clean-installed Win 9x without problems.

I had used previous builds of Sygate PF, but stopped a year or so ago
because it would occasionally crash (not something I want my firewall
doing!). However, the current build seems to run (in 9x) OK.

The current build does, however, appear to use WMI, which running from

early
in the boot process, interferes with ScanDefrag (and Scandisk generally)
unless Sygate is closed first (and WMI stopped). This is a minor issue,

of
course, but an annoyance.

However, the latest build of Kerio PF does not have installation issues

or
bugs that I'm presently aware of (I'm running it in XP). ATM I recommend
Kerio 4.1.2 www.kerio.com/kpf.


Shane

"Heather" wrote in message
...
Hi Harry......

Yes, I like EZ Trust. I have used it (and the freebie InoculateIT PE
version before) for at least 6 years at a guess. I had Norton 3 and

went
to
that after getting 4 viruses because Norton was defective!!

I can't tell you whether AVG & Sygate are better.....it is your

choice.
One
thing in EZ Trust's favour tho, is that it updates every day.....AVG

does
not!! But if you practice *safe hex*, it matters not what you use. I
can't
remember the last time my AV went off......I have OE tweaked enough

and
an
ISP that grabs viruses and spam, so that it rarely gets used.

So in essence, it is your choice. If you like them, then keep them.

If
you
prefer an AV that updates more often, then go for EZ Trust.

Guess that didn't answer your question, did it (G).

Heather....

"webster72n" wrote in message
...
Hello Heather:

Knowing that you are an advocate of EZArmor, I would like your

opinion
on
whether to go back to EZAntivirus and EZFirewall, which I had lost

and
now
retrieved the exe. files, or keep the AVG Antivirus and Sygate

Firewall,
which were installed for immediate protection.
EZArmor requires uninstalling any other Antivirus Software, before

using
it.
I must say that I like AVG & Sygate quite a lot.
What's the verdict?

Harry, old and would prefer it both ways.










  #28  
Old February 4th 05, 06:45 PM
Shane
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

NP Harry.


Shane


"webster72n" wrote in message
...

Thanks for the wink, Shane.

Harry.


"Shane" wrote in message
...
Update: I just uninstalled Sygate in ME and put Kerio 4.1.2 on there.
Pretty-much any time I used Task Manager, SMC (Sygate) was *not
responding* - not that there was any indication of a problem. Also it

seems
something of a resource hog.

Shane

"Shane" wrote in message
...
Hey Figgs! (and Harry),

While last year I spent some time on acv/acav defending AGV during it's
period of overloaded update servers (because you can still - easily -

update
defs manually), I'm a bit fed up with it now that it's happening again.

I'm
seriously considering going EZ Trust or (more likely) Kaspersky. I

haven't
searched the Grisoft ftp yet, but via http there seems no way to get
*program* updates for AVG (as opposed to defs) other than via the

program
itself, which at the moment times out repeatedly.

I've always considered that EZ Trust is better than AVG, but that AVG
is
enough if coupled with common sense, ie Safe Hex (and that no AV is

enough
without common sense!).

I've stopped using Kerio 2.1.5 because it is so old. There are
occasions
when it's config file gets deleted for no apparent reason. I don't

consider
Zone Alarm a contender and so it's a toss up between Kerio and Sygate
Personal Firewalls.

Sygate Personal Firewall seems unable to install if *all* traces of the
previous firewall are not first removed, although it installs to a
clean-installed Win 9x without problems.

I had used previous builds of Sygate PF, but stopped a year or so ago
because it would occasionally crash (not something I want my firewall
doing!). However, the current build seems to run (in 9x) OK.

The current build does, however, appear to use WMI, which running from

early
in the boot process, interferes with ScanDefrag (and Scandisk
generally)
unless Sygate is closed first (and WMI stopped). This is a minor issue,

of
course, but an annoyance.

However, the latest build of Kerio PF does not have installation issues

or
bugs that I'm presently aware of (I'm running it in XP). ATM I
recommend
Kerio 4.1.2 www.kerio.com/kpf.


Shane

"Heather" wrote in message
...
Hi Harry......

Yes, I like EZ Trust. I have used it (and the freebie InoculateIT PE
version before) for at least 6 years at a guess. I had Norton 3 and

went
to
that after getting 4 viruses because Norton was defective!!

I can't tell you whether AVG & Sygate are better.....it is your

choice.
One
thing in EZ Trust's favour tho, is that it updates every day.....AVG

does
not!! But if you practice *safe hex*, it matters not what you use.
I
can't
remember the last time my AV went off......I have OE tweaked enough

and
an
ISP that grabs viruses and spam, so that it rarely gets used.

So in essence, it is your choice. If you like them, then keep them.

If
you
prefer an AV that updates more often, then go for EZ Trust.

Guess that didn't answer your question, did it (G).

Heather....

"webster72n" wrote in message
...
Hello Heather:

Knowing that you are an advocate of EZArmor, I would like your

opinion
on
whether to go back to EZAntivirus and EZFirewall, which I had lost

and
now
retrieved the exe. files, or keep the AVG Antivirus and Sygate

Firewall,
which were installed for immediate protection.
EZArmor requires uninstalling any other Antivirus Software, before

using
it.
I must say that I like AVG & Sygate quite a lot.
What's the verdict?

Harry, old and would prefer it both ways.












  #29  
Old February 4th 05, 07:22 PM
Shane
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Just going on Resource Meter, Jack. My typical starting level has been
80's/90's - even back in the NAV days. Lately it was down to 50's/60's. With
Kerio 4.1.2 instead it seems to be 10 - 15 percentage points higher - so is
still below what it's been most of the time since Nov 2000. I suspect that
the move from AVG 6 to 7 has seen an increased drain on resources but that,
as with NAV (IMO), these progs are now being written for systems without
resource issues and there's little to be done about it.

I almost never boot ME anymore - I only really keep it on there because I
like another bootable volume available as emergency backup (and prefer ME to
98se!). But I may re-install SPF to make more definitive measurements.


Shane


"Jack E Martinelli" wrote in message
...
And what does/did Process Explorer report about Sygate's cpu usage? Or
Resource Meter's report vis a vis Kerio and Sygate?

--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"Shane" wrote in message
...
Update: I just uninstalled Sygate in ME and put Kerio 4.1.2 on there.
Pretty-much any time I used Task Manager, SMC (Sygate) was *not
responding* - not that there was any indication of a problem. Also it

seems
something of a resource hog.

Shane

"Shane" wrote in message
...
Hey Figgs! (and Harry),

While last year I spent some time on acv/acav defending AGV during it's
period of overloaded update servers (because you can still - easily -

update
defs manually), I'm a bit fed up with it now that it's happening again.

I'm
seriously considering going EZ Trust or (more likely) Kaspersky. I

haven't
searched the Grisoft ftp yet, but via http there seems no way to get
*program* updates for AVG (as opposed to defs) other than via the

program
itself, which at the moment times out repeatedly.

I've always considered that EZ Trust is better than AVG, but that AVG
is
enough if coupled with common sense, ie Safe Hex (and that no AV is

enough
without common sense!).

I've stopped using Kerio 2.1.5 because it is so old. There are
occasions
when it's config file gets deleted for no apparent reason. I don't

consider
Zone Alarm a contender and so it's a toss up between Kerio and Sygate
Personal Firewalls.

Sygate Personal Firewall seems unable to install if *all* traces of the
previous firewall are not first removed, although it installs to a
clean-installed Win 9x without problems.

I had used previous builds of Sygate PF, but stopped a year or so ago
because it would occasionally crash (not something I want my firewall
doing!). However, the current build seems to run (in 9x) OK.

The current build does, however, appear to use WMI, which running from

early
in the boot process, interferes with ScanDefrag (and Scandisk
generally)
unless Sygate is closed first (and WMI stopped). This is a minor issue,

of
course, but an annoyance.

However, the latest build of Kerio PF does not have installation issues

or
bugs that I'm presently aware of (I'm running it in XP). ATM I
recommend
Kerio 4.1.2 www.kerio.com/kpf.


Shane

"Heather" wrote in message
...
Hi Harry......

Yes, I like EZ Trust. I have used it (and the freebie InoculateIT PE
version before) for at least 6 years at a guess. I had Norton 3 and

went
to
that after getting 4 viruses because Norton was defective!!

I can't tell you whether AVG & Sygate are better.....it is your

choice.
One
thing in EZ Trust's favour tho, is that it updates every day.....AVG

does
not!! But if you practice *safe hex*, it matters not what you use.
I
can't
remember the last time my AV went off......I have OE tweaked enough

and
an
ISP that grabs viruses and spam, so that it rarely gets used.

So in essence, it is your choice. If you like them, then keep them.

If
you
prefer an AV that updates more often, then go for EZ Trust.

Guess that didn't answer your question, did it (G).

Heather....

"webster72n" wrote in message
...
Hello Heather:

Knowing that you are an advocate of EZArmor, I would like your

opinion
on
whether to go back to EZAntivirus and EZFirewall, which I had lost

and
now
retrieved the exe. files, or keep the AVG Antivirus and Sygate

Firewall,
which were installed for immediate protection.
EZArmor requires uninstalling any other Antivirus Software, before

using
it.
I must say that I like AVG & Sygate quite a lot.
What's the verdict?

Harry, old and would prefer it both ways.












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Old February 5th 05, 03:57 AM
Jack E Martinelli
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Those are very respectable Win9X resource levels.
A 10-15% difference is quite a lot.
Easy enough to see by examining levels both before and after launching an
app.
--
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"Shane" wrote in message
...
Just going on Resource Meter, Jack. My typical starting level has been
80's/90's - even back in the NAV days. Lately it was down to 50's/60's.

With
Kerio 4.1.2 instead it seems to be 10 - 15 percentage points higher - so

is
still below what it's been most of the time since Nov 2000. I suspect

that
the move from AVG 6 to 7 has seen an increased drain on resources but

that,
as with NAV (IMO), these progs are now being written for systems without
resource issues and there's little to be done about it.

I almost never boot ME anymore - I only really keep it on there because I
like another bootable volume available as emergency backup (and prefer ME

to
98se!). But I may re-install SPF to make more definitive measurements.


Shane


"Jack E Martinelli" wrote in message
...
And what does/did Process Explorer report about Sygate's cpu usage? Or
Resource Meter's report vis a vis Kerio and Sygate?

--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"Shane" wrote in message
...
Update: I just uninstalled Sygate in ME and put Kerio 4.1.2 on there.
Pretty-much any time I used Task Manager, SMC (Sygate) was *not
responding* - not that there was any indication of a problem. Also it

seems
something of a resource hog.

Shane

"Shane" wrote in message
...
Hey Figgs! (and Harry),

While last year I spent some time on acv/acav defending AGV during

it's
period of overloaded update servers (because you can still - easily -
update
defs manually), I'm a bit fed up with it now that it's happening

again.
I'm
seriously considering going EZ Trust or (more likely) Kaspersky. I

haven't
searched the Grisoft ftp yet, but via http there seems no way to get
*program* updates for AVG (as opposed to defs) other than via the

program
itself, which at the moment times out repeatedly.

I've always considered that EZ Trust is better than AVG, but that AVG
is
enough if coupled with common sense, ie Safe Hex (and that no AV is

enough
without common sense!).

I've stopped using Kerio 2.1.5 because it is so old. There are
occasions
when it's config file gets deleted for no apparent reason. I don't
consider
Zone Alarm a contender and so it's a toss up between Kerio and Sygate
Personal Firewalls.

Sygate Personal Firewall seems unable to install if *all* traces of

the
previous firewall are not first removed, although it installs to a
clean-installed Win 9x without problems.

I had used previous builds of Sygate PF, but stopped a year or so ago
because it would occasionally crash (not something I want my firewall
doing!). However, the current build seems to run (in 9x) OK.

The current build does, however, appear to use WMI, which running

from
early
in the boot process, interferes with ScanDefrag (and Scandisk
generally)
unless Sygate is closed first (and WMI stopped). This is a minor

issue,
of
course, but an annoyance.

However, the latest build of Kerio PF does not have installation

issues
or
bugs that I'm presently aware of (I'm running it in XP). ATM I
recommend
Kerio 4.1.2 www.kerio.com/kpf.


Shane

"Heather" wrote in message
...
Hi Harry......

Yes, I like EZ Trust. I have used it (and the freebie InoculateIT

PE
version before) for at least 6 years at a guess. I had Norton 3

and
went
to
that after getting 4 viruses because Norton was defective!!

I can't tell you whether AVG & Sygate are better.....it is your

choice.
One
thing in EZ Trust's favour tho, is that it updates every

day.....AVG
does
not!! But if you practice *safe hex*, it matters not what you use.
I
can't
remember the last time my AV went off......I have OE tweaked enough

and
an
ISP that grabs viruses and spam, so that it rarely gets used.

So in essence, it is your choice. If you like them, then keep

them.
If
you
prefer an AV that updates more often, then go for EZ Trust.

Guess that didn't answer your question, did it (G).

Heather....

"webster72n" wrote in message
...
Hello Heather:

Knowing that you are an advocate of EZArmor, I would like your

opinion
on
whether to go back to EZAntivirus and EZFirewall, which I had lost

and
now
retrieved the exe. files, or keep the AVG Antivirus and Sygate
Firewall,
which were installed for immediate protection.
EZArmor requires uninstalling any other Antivirus Software, before
using
it.
I must say that I like AVG & Sygate quite a lot.
What's the verdict?

Harry, old and would prefer it both ways.














 




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