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Old March 4th 10, 07:32 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
thanatoid
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Default Free and not free AV for 98 and how to get around the problem

With apologies to all involved, I am /really/ getting tired of
the never-ending "Free AV for 98?" threads.

Of course, nothing will stop them, even this post, since most
people are too lazy to read even a hundred old posts, being
absolutely certain that they are the first person ever faced
with the particular problem at hand. Don't even mention Google.
One would think it didn't exist. (As much as I hate the Web,
Google IS generally quite useful, as long as you don't forget
that the result most worth looking at it is not necessarily on
the first page, let alone /the first link/. Anyway.)

Here are 2 fairly simple solutions to the above mentioned
endless questions.

In case you are not too cheap to pay $40/year (you spend more on
cappuccinos in one week, FFS) for a 98 version (2.7) of the best
AV software there is, ESET NOD32, while it is no longer
available on their site as of Feb 1, the virus signature updates
for that version will be available until Feb 1, 2012. (If you
don't have the program and can't find it, I will be more than
happy to post it to a file-sharing site. The same license works
for all versions. Ver 2.70.39 was the last 98SE version. Vers
3.x and 4.x run on Win2000 and up. (There are also full
"security suite versions" but I'm not into those.)

AFAICT, the sig updates for 2.7 are the /same/ files as the ones
for the 3 and 4 versions (see below).

So you can either pay the measly 40 bucks and stop these ENDLESS
questions which are REALLY getting boring, or you can install a
free copy (if you have to ask where...) of XP on another
partition ONLY to get the new versions of the few currently free
/AND/ XP+ ONLY A-V programs there are, and scan whatever you
want from there, and then reboot back into 98.

In case you're wondering, the "run from XP partition and then
reboot" solution is based on my firm belief that running an A-V
all the time while on-line is totally pointless.

I might add ESET consistently beats all the others in ratings,
although you really have to read between the lines and THINK
about the different aspects of "reviewing". (Some are simply
ridiculous: "ease of installation". Sigh.)

But while, not surprisingly, Norton is the best-seller - just
like IE/OE are the most-used internet software, in spite of also
being the most dangerous software ever - most sites not run by
lying payola weasels agree ESET is the best.

Here is what /seems/ a non-biased review...

http://www.consumersearch.com/antivi...est-antivirus-
software

....although I am sure SOMEONE will claim how they are in fact on
ESET's payroll.

Of course, certain aspects of the above solutions may be totally
invalidated if someone proves that Win2000 and up viruses are
different than 9x viruses, but I do not believe they are. And
even if they ARE, a good scanner /should/ find them anywhere.
One of the best (free) scanners for years was F-Prot for DOS and
it found stuff on all Win platforms, AFAIK.

(There actually IS a DOS version of ESET NOD32 as well, but it
and its defs have not been updated in quite some time and will
not be. But I have it if you want it. Even ESET said in its
blurb that SOME stuff can be found easier from DOS than from
within the 32-bit OS.)

Just my 2 cents, or $39.99 if you prefer. (Discount if you buy a
2 year license).


--
The lonely child plays with eternity, while a gang of children
plays with time.
Karel Capek
  #2  
Old March 4th 10, 08:16 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Default Free and not free AV for 98 and how to get around the problem

I a Bing it @ http://www.bing.com and so why mention Google for I'll Yahoo
for for I Google it!
And yes you are right that Free AV for 98?" threads is ending
And we who are too lazy to read even a hundred old posts!

Info
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bing_(search_engine)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bing_(search_engine)

So Wikipedia it and get the right INFO ThanAtoid

Fragments of Insanity Track listing : Thanatoid - 4:34 State Of Progressive
Annihilation - 4:34 Metempsycosis - 3:58 Fragments Of Insanity - 5:14 Enter
My Subconscious ...
1 KB (117 words) - 16:25, 8 November 2008
Vineland Several characters are Thanatoids, victims of karmic imbalance and
inhabitants of a strange state of being "like death, only different." ...
6 KB (744 words) - 02:31, 22 February 2010







"thanatoid" wrote in message
...
With apologies to all involved, I am /really/ getting tired of
the never-ending "Free AV for 98?" threads.

Of course, nothing will stop them, even this post, since most
people are too lazy to read even a hundred old posts, being
absolutely certain that they are the first person ever faced
with the particular problem at hand. Don't even mention Google.
One would think it didn't exist. (As much as I hate the Web,
Google IS generally quite useful, as long as you don't forget
that the result most worth looking at it is not necessarily on
the first page, let alone /the first link/. Anyway.)

Here are 2 fairly simple solutions to the above mentioned
endless questions.

In case you are not too cheap to pay $40/year (you spend more on
cappuccinos in one week, FFS) for a 98 version (2.7) of the best
AV software there is, ESET NOD32, while it is no longer
available on their site as of Feb 1, the virus signature updates
for that version will be available until Feb 1, 2012. (If you
don't have the program and can't find it, I will be more than
happy to post it to a file-sharing site. The same license works
for all versions. Ver 2.70.39 was the last 98SE version. Vers
3.x and 4.x run on Win2000 and up. (There are also full
"security suite versions" but I'm not into those.)

AFAICT, the sig updates for 2.7 are the /same/ files as the ones
for the 3 and 4 versions (see below).

So you can either pay the measly 40 bucks and stop these ENDLESS
questions which are REALLY getting boring, or you can install a
free copy (if you have to ask where...) of XP on another
partition ONLY to get the new versions of the few currently free
/AND/ XP+ ONLY A-V programs there are, and scan whatever you
want from there, and then reboot back into 98.

In case you're wondering, the "run from XP partition and then
reboot" solution is based on my firm belief that running an A-V
all the time while on-line is totally pointless.

I might add ESET consistently beats all the others in ratings,
although you really have to read between the lines and THINK
about the different aspects of "reviewing". (Some are simply
ridiculous: "ease of installation". Sigh.)

But while, not surprisingly, Norton is the best-seller - just
like IE/OE are the most-used internet software, in spite of also
being the most dangerous software ever - most sites not run by
lying payola weasels agree ESET is the best.

Here is what /seems/ a non-biased review...

http://www.consumersearch.com/antivi...est-antivirus-
software

...although I am sure SOMEONE will claim how they are in fact on
ESET's payroll.

Of course, certain aspects of the above solutions may be totally
invalidated if someone proves that Win2000 and up viruses are
different than 9x viruses, but I do not believe they are. And
even if they ARE, a good scanner /should/ find them anywhere.
One of the best (free) scanners for years was F-Prot for DOS and
it found stuff on all Win platforms, AFAIK.

(There actually IS a DOS version of ESET NOD32 as well, but it
and its defs have not been updated in quite some time and will
not be. But I have it if you want it. Even ESET said in its
blurb that SOME stuff can be found easier from DOS than from
within the 32-bit OS.)

Just my 2 cents, or $39.99 if you prefer. (Discount if you buy a
2 year license).


--
The lonely child plays with eternity, while a gang of children
plays with time.
Karel Capek


  #3  
Old March 4th 10, 08:16 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Hot-text
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Posts: 1,026
Default Free and not free AV for 98 and how to get around the problem

I a Bing it @ http://www.bing.com and so why mention Google for I'll Yahoo
for for I Google it!
And yes you are right that Free AV for 98?" threads is ending
And we who are too lazy to read even a hundred old posts!

Info
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bing_(search_engine)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bing_(search_engine)

So Wikipedia it and get the right INFO ThanAtoid

Fragments of Insanity Track listing : Thanatoid - 4:34 State Of Progressive
Annihilation - 4:34 Metempsycosis - 3:58 Fragments Of Insanity - 5:14 Enter
My Subconscious ...
1 KB (117 words) - 16:25, 8 November 2008
Vineland Several characters are Thanatoids, victims of karmic imbalance and
inhabitants of a strange state of being "like death, only different." ...
6 KB (744 words) - 02:31, 22 February 2010







"thanatoid" wrote in message
...
With apologies to all involved, I am /really/ getting tired of
the never-ending "Free AV for 98?" threads.

Of course, nothing will stop them, even this post, since most
people are too lazy to read even a hundred old posts, being
absolutely certain that they are the first person ever faced
with the particular problem at hand. Don't even mention Google.
One would think it didn't exist. (As much as I hate the Web,
Google IS generally quite useful, as long as you don't forget
that the result most worth looking at it is not necessarily on
the first page, let alone /the first link/. Anyway.)

Here are 2 fairly simple solutions to the above mentioned
endless questions.

In case you are not too cheap to pay $40/year (you spend more on
cappuccinos in one week, FFS) for a 98 version (2.7) of the best
AV software there is, ESET NOD32, while it is no longer
available on their site as of Feb 1, the virus signature updates
for that version will be available until Feb 1, 2012. (If you
don't have the program and can't find it, I will be more than
happy to post it to a file-sharing site. The same license works
for all versions. Ver 2.70.39 was the last 98SE version. Vers
3.x and 4.x run on Win2000 and up. (There are also full
"security suite versions" but I'm not into those.)

AFAICT, the sig updates for 2.7 are the /same/ files as the ones
for the 3 and 4 versions (see below).

So you can either pay the measly 40 bucks and stop these ENDLESS
questions which are REALLY getting boring, or you can install a
free copy (if you have to ask where...) of XP on another
partition ONLY to get the new versions of the few currently free
/AND/ XP+ ONLY A-V programs there are, and scan whatever you
want from there, and then reboot back into 98.

In case you're wondering, the "run from XP partition and then
reboot" solution is based on my firm belief that running an A-V
all the time while on-line is totally pointless.

I might add ESET consistently beats all the others in ratings,
although you really have to read between the lines and THINK
about the different aspects of "reviewing". (Some are simply
ridiculous: "ease of installation". Sigh.)

But while, not surprisingly, Norton is the best-seller - just
like IE/OE are the most-used internet software, in spite of also
being the most dangerous software ever - most sites not run by
lying payola weasels agree ESET is the best.

Here is what /seems/ a non-biased review...

http://www.consumersearch.com/antivi...est-antivirus-
software

...although I am sure SOMEONE will claim how they are in fact on
ESET's payroll.

Of course, certain aspects of the above solutions may be totally
invalidated if someone proves that Win2000 and up viruses are
different than 9x viruses, but I do not believe they are. And
even if they ARE, a good scanner /should/ find them anywhere.
One of the best (free) scanners for years was F-Prot for DOS and
it found stuff on all Win platforms, AFAIK.

(There actually IS a DOS version of ESET NOD32 as well, but it
and its defs have not been updated in quite some time and will
not be. But I have it if you want it. Even ESET said in its
blurb that SOME stuff can be found easier from DOS than from
within the 32-bit OS.)

Just my 2 cents, or $39.99 if you prefer. (Discount if you buy a
2 year license).


--
The lonely child plays with eternity, while a gang of children
plays with time.
Karel Capek


  #4  
Old March 4th 10, 09:15 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Me
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Default Free and not free AV for 98 and how to get around the problem

thanatoid wrote in
:

you can install a free copy (if you have to ask where...)
of XP on another partition ONLY to get the new versions of
the few currently free /AND/ XP+ ONLY A-V programs there
are, and scan whatever you want from there, and then reboot
back into 98.

Is this officially OK?

I had thought of this but wondered if. somewhere in the code
of an AV program running under XP, it might do something to
the files, in the process of fixing a virus, that might work
under XP but not under 98 and crash a 98 system?

Is it necessary to use a dual boot system? Could this be
done equally done connected to an XP system via an ethernet
or USB connection?

  #5  
Old March 4th 10, 09:15 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Me
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Posts: 2
Default Free and not free AV for 98 and how to get around the problem

thanatoid wrote in
:

you can install a free copy (if you have to ask where...)
of XP on another partition ONLY to get the new versions of
the few currently free /AND/ XP+ ONLY A-V programs there
are, and scan whatever you want from there, and then reboot
back into 98.

Is this officially OK?

I had thought of this but wondered if. somewhere in the code
of an AV program running under XP, it might do something to
the files, in the process of fixing a virus, that might work
under XP but not under 98 and crash a 98 system?

Is it necessary to use a dual boot system? Could this be
done equally done connected to an XP system via an ethernet
or USB connection?

  #6  
Old March 4th 10, 09:38 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
J. P. Gilliver (John)
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Posts: 1,554
Default Free and not free AV for 98 and how to get around the problem

In message , thanatoid
writes:
With apologies to all involved, I am /really/ getting tired of
the never-ending "Free AV for 98?" threads.


They are a bit repetitive, but if they bother you, don't read them (-:!
And there is always the matter that things change - any valid answer may
cease to be, as suppliers cease '98 support. (Or, though it's unlikely,
if someone adds a new one!)
[]
Google IS generally quite useful, as long as you don't forget
that the result most worth looking at it is not necessarily on
the first page, let alone /the first link/. Anyway.)


(And people don't know how to use it; I have the advanced search as my
home page. But one can get the same effect by using ", +, -, and so on.)

Here are 2 fairly simple solutions to the above mentioned
endless questions.

In case you are not too cheap to pay $40/year (you spend more on
cappuccinos in one week, FFS) for a 98 version (2.7) of the best


Wow, you've in the past implied you were in some uncivilised part of the
world, but if you're somewhere you can spend over $40 a week on
capuccinos ... I spend considerably less than that on all shop-served
food!

AV software there is, ESET NOD32, while it is no longer
available on their site as of Feb 1, the virus signature updates
for that version will be available until Feb 1, 2012. (If you


Er - you started by saying "if you're not too cheap to pay $40", then
say it's not available from Feb 1 - and you're saying this in March???
[]
free copy (if you have to ask where...) of XP on another

Don't those "free" versions pretty soon get blocked by MS?

partition ONLY to get the new versions of the few currently free
/AND/ XP+ ONLY A-V programs there are, and scan whatever you
want from there, and then reboot back into 98.

In case you're wondering, the "run from XP partition and then
reboot" solution is based on my firm belief that running an A-V
all the time while on-line is totally pointless.


It might have some validity under XP if you enable things like Java,
javascript, and ActiveX, which _are_ enabled by default I think.
(Besides, some websites won't work anyway if you turn them off.)
[]
Of course, certain aspects of the above solutions may be totally
invalidated if someone proves that Win2000 and up viruses are
different than 9x viruses, but I do not believe they are. And


(I know what you meant to say there.)

even if they ARE, a good scanner /should/ find them anywhere.
One of the best (free) scanners for years was F-Prot for DOS and
it found stuff on all Win platforms, AFAIK.

[]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

When I am working on a problem I never think about beauty. I only think about
how to solve the problem. But when I have finished, if the solution is not
beautiful, I know it is wrong.
-R. Buckminster Fuller, engineer, designer, and architect (1895-1983)
  #7  
Old March 4th 10, 09:38 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
J. P. Gilliver (John)
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 1,554
Default Free and not free AV for 98 and how to get around the problem

In message , thanatoid
writes:
With apologies to all involved, I am /really/ getting tired of
the never-ending "Free AV for 98?" threads.


They are a bit repetitive, but if they bother you, don't read them (-:!
And there is always the matter that things change - any valid answer may
cease to be, as suppliers cease '98 support. (Or, though it's unlikely,
if someone adds a new one!)
[]
Google IS generally quite useful, as long as you don't forget
that the result most worth looking at it is not necessarily on
the first page, let alone /the first link/. Anyway.)


(And people don't know how to use it; I have the advanced search as my
home page. But one can get the same effect by using ", +, -, and so on.)

Here are 2 fairly simple solutions to the above mentioned
endless questions.

In case you are not too cheap to pay $40/year (you spend more on
cappuccinos in one week, FFS) for a 98 version (2.7) of the best


Wow, you've in the past implied you were in some uncivilised part of the
world, but if you're somewhere you can spend over $40 a week on
capuccinos ... I spend considerably less than that on all shop-served
food!

AV software there is, ESET NOD32, while it is no longer
available on their site as of Feb 1, the virus signature updates
for that version will be available until Feb 1, 2012. (If you


Er - you started by saying "if you're not too cheap to pay $40", then
say it's not available from Feb 1 - and you're saying this in March???
[]
free copy (if you have to ask where...) of XP on another

Don't those "free" versions pretty soon get blocked by MS?

partition ONLY to get the new versions of the few currently free
/AND/ XP+ ONLY A-V programs there are, and scan whatever you
want from there, and then reboot back into 98.

In case you're wondering, the "run from XP partition and then
reboot" solution is based on my firm belief that running an A-V
all the time while on-line is totally pointless.


It might have some validity under XP if you enable things like Java,
javascript, and ActiveX, which _are_ enabled by default I think.
(Besides, some websites won't work anyway if you turn them off.)
[]
Of course, certain aspects of the above solutions may be totally
invalidated if someone proves that Win2000 and up viruses are
different than 9x viruses, but I do not believe they are. And


(I know what you meant to say there.)

even if they ARE, a good scanner /should/ find them anywhere.
One of the best (free) scanners for years was F-Prot for DOS and
it found stuff on all Win platforms, AFAIK.

[]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

When I am working on a problem I never think about beauty. I only think about
how to solve the problem. But when I have finished, if the solution is not
beautiful, I know it is wrong.
-R. Buckminster Fuller, engineer, designer, and architect (1895-1983)
  #8  
Old March 4th 10, 09:42 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
J. P. Gilliver (John)
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Posts: 1,554
Default Free and not free AV for 98 and how to get around the problem

In message , Me
writes:
[]
Is this officially OK?

I had thought of this but wondered if. somewhere in the code
of an AV program running under XP, it might do something to
the files, in the process of fixing a virus, that might work
under XP but not under 98 and crash a 98 system?


Good point, which I hadn't thought of. You'd probably, to be safe, need
to run the AV in "ask but don't automatically fix" mode - though several
of them seem reluctant to operate in such a mode, thinking they know
best.

Is it necessary to use a dual boot system? Could this be
done equally done connected to an XP system via an ethernet
or USB connection?

Well, not all files might be accessible to such a remote system, but
even if they are, I'd say the main reason for not doing so is the time:
a full scan takes long enough as it is, without having to squirt all the
files over such a connection. But if it does work and you're willing to
leave (two machines) on overnight, fair enough.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

When I am working on a problem I never think about beauty. I only think about
how to solve the problem. But when I have finished, if the solution is not
beautiful, I know it is wrong.
-R. Buckminster Fuller, engineer, designer, and architect (1895-1983)
  #9  
Old March 4th 10, 09:42 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
J. P. Gilliver (John)
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 1,554
Default Free and not free AV for 98 and how to get around the problem

In message , Me
writes:
[]
Is this officially OK?

I had thought of this but wondered if. somewhere in the code
of an AV program running under XP, it might do something to
the files, in the process of fixing a virus, that might work
under XP but not under 98 and crash a 98 system?


Good point, which I hadn't thought of. You'd probably, to be safe, need
to run the AV in "ask but don't automatically fix" mode - though several
of them seem reluctant to operate in such a mode, thinking they know
best.

Is it necessary to use a dual boot system? Could this be
done equally done connected to an XP system via an ethernet
or USB connection?

Well, not all files might be accessible to such a remote system, but
even if they are, I'd say the main reason for not doing so is the time:
a full scan takes long enough as it is, without having to squirt all the
files over such a connection. But if it does work and you're willing to
leave (two machines) on overnight, fair enough.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

When I am working on a problem I never think about beauty. I only think about
how to solve the problem. But when I have finished, if the solution is not
beautiful, I know it is wrong.
-R. Buckminster Fuller, engineer, designer, and architect (1895-1983)
  #10  
Old March 4th 10, 09:46 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
thanatoid
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Default Free and not free AV for 98 and how to get around the problem

Me wrote in
:

thanatoid wrote in
:

you can install a free copy (if you have to ask where...)
of XP on another partition ONLY to get the new versions of
the few currently free /AND/ XP+ ONLY A-V programs there
are, and scan whatever you want from there, and then reboot
back into 98.

Is this officially OK?


Define "officially".

I had thought of this but wondered if. somewhere in the code
of an AV program running under XP, it might do something to
the files, in the process of fixing a virus, that might work
under XP but not under 98 and crash a 98 system?


I do not see why or how. But I am not a programmer.

Is it necessary to use a dual boot system? Could this be
done equally done connected to an XP system via an ethernet
or USB connection?


Should be possible. Doesn't matter WHERE the originating program
is running from. After all. certain sites offer to do a virus
scan on-line - although they don't inspire much confidence...


--
The lonely child plays with eternity, while a gang of children
plays with time.
Karel Capek
 




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