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Old March 30th 17, 09:34 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
R.Wieser
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Default How to make a double-click only affect the clicked-on file ?

Hello All,

My old (bit still trusty) Win98se machine has got a quirk I am bothered
with: sometimes (but always just after having switched from full-screen
console to the GUI) when I, in the file exporer, double-click a file it
behaves as if I have selected all files from start of the folder upto the
clicked-on file, and tries to open or execute each-and-every-one of them.
:-o :-(

I have no idea why that it (selection of all those files) happens, but I
think that a simple work-around could be to only have the (left)
double-click affect the clicked-on file.

My question: Is there a setting somewhere to make that happen ?

If not, what other options do I have ?

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

P.s.
Sometimes, in the above described circumstances, my 'puter behaves (very
noticable in console window) as if (I think) the ALT key has gotten stuck.
Pressing that key always "un-sticks" it. And before you think "Its a
keyboard problem!", the behaviour has persisted over at least 3 keyboards
....


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Old March 30th 17, 01:19 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
JJ[_2_]
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Default How to make a double-click only affect the clicked-on file ?

On Thu, 30 Mar 2017 10:34:45 +0200, R.Wieser wrote:
Hello All,

My old (bit still trusty) Win98se machine has got a quirk I am bothered
with: sometimes (but always just after having switched from full-screen
console to the GUI) when I, in the file exporer, double-click a file it
behaves as if I have selected all files from start of the folder upto the
clicked-on file, and tries to open or execute each-and-every-one of them.
:-o :-(


That's a keyboard problem. The SHIFT key button (either left or right) has
become too sensitive due to its rubber or metal spring no longer able to
push/pull the button connector back.

By software, you can only work around it by disabling the problematic SHIFT
key by remapping it to an unused virtual key code and/or scan code.

To actually fix it assuming that it's still repairable, you'll have to take
apart the keyboard and fix the mechanical issue. Too-sensitive or stuck keys
are usually repairable and easier to fix than too-insensitive or dead keys.
  #3  
Old March 30th 17, 01:57 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
R.Wieser
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Default How to make a double-click only affect the clicked-on file ?

JJ,

That's a keyboard problem.


Yeah, that was my first thought too. But other than at the described
moment I do not seem to experience that particular problem (like when using
the ALT key in combination with the arrow keys to select text). So no, I
don't think so.

I wish it was a persistent problem though, as than simply replacing the
keyboard would have provided the proof of that assumption ...

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


-- Origional message:
JJ schreef in berichtnieuws
...
On Thu, 30 Mar 2017 10:34:45 +0200, R.Wieser wrote:
Hello All,

My old (bit still trusty) Win98se machine has got a quirk I am bothered
with: sometimes (but always just after having switched from full-screen
console to the GUI) when I, in the file exporer, double-click a file it
behaves as if I have selected all files from start of the folder upto

the
clicked-on file, and tries to open or execute each-and-every-one of

them.
:-o :-(


That's a keyboard problem. The SHIFT key button (either left or right) has
become too sensitive due to its rubber or metal spring no longer able to
push/pull the button connector back.

By software, you can only work around it by disabling the problematic

SHIFT
key by remapping it to an unused virtual key code and/or scan code.

To actually fix it assuming that it's still repairable, you'll have to

take
apart the keyboard and fix the mechanical issue. Too-sensitive or stuck

keys
are usually repairable and easier to fix than too-insensitive or dead

keys.


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Old March 30th 17, 11:37 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_2_]
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Default How to make a double-click only affect the clicked-on file ?

In message , R.Wieser
writes:
JJ,

That's a keyboard problem.


Yeah, that was my first thought too. But other than at the described
moment I do not seem to experience that particular problem (like when using
the ALT key in combination with the arrow keys to select text). So no, I
don't think so.

I wish it was a persistent problem though, as than simply replacing the
keyboard would have provided the proof of that assumption ...

[]
Does it continue to the on-screen keyboard? I have a problem with this
XP machine that seems dead certain to be a keyboard problem, but once
it's been triggered, switching to the OSK doesn't cure it!
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Science fiction is escape into reality - Arthur C Clarke
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Old March 31st 17, 05:23 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Lee
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Default How to make a double-click only affect the clicked-on file ?

You provide your own work around, pressing the Alt key.
I found sendkeys via a vbs script to have many benefits with my 98 platform and it could be automatically sent by some clever piping means as well.

My vote is on some dodgy BIOS code that may have been fixed in the last available BIOS version for your machine perhaps. Somehow they are not clearing the ALT pressed location in a timely manner and it's holding old data that says you are holding it down.

You might try to uninstall the keyboard driver from the device mangler, and then rebooting, it's been known to work before in clearing up such mysteries.

I can't say it's never happened to me because it seems it has. But it never took on a life of it's own and became a 'thing' here.

Full screen console means a big DOS box?
If so then it might be as simple as a better invocation string for the means whereby you get to full screen console mode. Or an alternate exit strategy that includes such a vbs send_keys script after or before it exits. But I have no useful suggestions from a certain lack of knowledge on the subject at large which would require a dip in that pool. And it's your problem.

I usually don't use the big DOS box for anything. Been there once or twice but that's about it.
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Old March 31st 17, 08:25 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_2_]
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Default How to make a double-click only affect the clicked-on file ?

In message , Lee
writes:
You provide your own work around, pressing the Alt key.
I found sendkeys via a vbs script to have many benefits with my 98
platform and it could be automatically sent by some clever piping means
as well.

My vote is on some dodgy BIOS code that may have been fixed in the last
available BIOS version for your machine perhaps. Somehow they are not
clearing the ALT pressed location in a timely manner and it's holding
old data that says you are holding it down.

You might try to uninstall the keyboard driver from the device mangler,
and then rebooting, it's been known to work before in clearing up such
mysteries.

I can't say it's never happened to me because it seems it has. But it
never took on a life of it's own and became a 'thing' here.

Full screen console means a big DOS box?


Well, not so much a box, as truly full screen - as if you were in true
DOS. (IIRR, Alt-Enter toggles.) Character mode (80 by 25 IIRR), no
graphics.

If so then it might be as simple as a better invocation string for the
means whereby you get to full screen console mode. Or an alternate
exit strategy that includes such a vbs send_keys script after or before
it exits. But I have no useful suggestions from a certain lack of
knowledge on the subject at large which would require a dip in that
pool. And it's your problem.

I usually don't use the big DOS box for anything. Been there once or
twice but that's about it.


--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"When the people fear the government there is tyranny,
when the government fears the people there is liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
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Old March 31st 17, 11:36 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
R.Wieser
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Default How to make a double-click only affect the clicked-on file ?

J.P.

Does it continue to the on-screen keyboard?


Win98se has one of those ? I was not aware of that ...

Hmmm... Looking thru my start-menus folders does not turn up anything. A
quick google doesn't give me a result either. Any idea where I can find it
?

I have a problem with this XP machine that seems dead certain
to be a keyboard problem, but once it's been triggered, switching
to the OSK doesn't cure it!


There is the slight possibility that a stuck shift/control/alt key might be
firing a steady stream of key-down messages, interfeering with any other
keyboard "attached" to the system. Next time you encounter that same
problem see if unplugging the keyboard itself changes anything.

.... and while I'm writing the above down it occurs to me that thats
something I need to try too. :-)

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


-- Origional message:
J. P. Gilliver (John) schreef in berichtnieuws
...
In message , R.Wieser
writes:
JJ,

That's a keyboard problem.


Yeah, that was my first thought too. But other than at the described
moment I do not seem to experience that particular problem (like when

using
the ALT key in combination with the arrow keys to select text). So no, I
don't think so.

I wish it was a persistent problem though, as than simply replacing the
keyboard would have provided the proof of that assumption ...

[]
Does it continue to the on-screen keyboard? I have a problem with this
XP machine that seems dead certain to be a keyboard problem, but once
it's been triggered, switching to the OSK doesn't cure it!
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Science fiction is escape into reality - Arthur C Clarke



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Old March 31st 17, 11:49 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
R.Wieser
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Default How to make a double-click only affect the clicked-on file ?

Lee,

You provide your own work around, pressing the Alt key.


Yeah, but not a *good* work-around I'm afraid. I switch between the CLI
and GUI to much to have to do it every time (for a problem that pops up
sometimes).

Full screen console means a big DOS box?


Nope, it means the CLI taking up the whole screen (like most games do), not
maximized GUI window. Like when you get (on an W98 system) when pressing
ALT-ENTER when in a windowed CLI.

I usually don't use the big DOS box for anything.


:-) Sometimes it feels to me I use it more than I use the GUI.

My vote is on some dodgy BIOS code that may have been fixed in the
last available BIOS version for your machine perhaps.


Are you sure ? Doesn't windows load its own low-level keyboard-driver
(ignoring any-and-all BIOS routines for it)

You might try to uninstall the keyboard driver from the device mangler,
and then rebooting, it's been known to work before in clearing up such
mysteries.


I'll keep that in mind as a last-ditch possibility.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


-- Origional message:
Lee schreef in berichtnieuws
...
You provide your own work around, pressing the Alt key.
I found sendkeys via a vbs script to have many benefits with my 98 platform
and it could be automatically sent by some clever piping means as well.

My vote is on some dodgy BIOS code that may have been fixed in the last
available BIOS version for your machine perhaps. Somehow they are not
clearing the ALT pressed location in a timely manner and it's holding old
data that says you are holding it down.

You might try to uninstall the keyboard driver from the device mangler, and
then rebooting, it's been known to work before in clearing up such
mysteries.

I can't say it's never happened to me because it seems it has. But it never
took on a life of it's own and became a 'thing' here.

Full screen console means a big DOS box?
If so then it might be as simple as a better invocation string for the means
whereby you get to full screen console mode. Or an alternate exit strategy
that includes such a vbs send_keys script after or before it exits. But I
have no useful suggestions from a certain lack of knowledge on the subject
at large which would require a dip in that pool. And it's your problem.

I usually don't use the big DOS box for anything. Been there once or twice
but that's about it.


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Old March 31st 17, 07:36 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_2_]
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Default How to make a double-click only affect the clicked-on file ?

In message , R.Wieser
writes:
J.P.

Does it continue to the on-screen keyboard?


Win98se has one of those ? I was not aware of that ...


Ah. I'd forgotten - I'm on XP. It might: on XP, it's under Accessories |
Accessibility, or Start | Run | [type] osk.

Hmmm... Looking thru my start-menus folders does not turn up anything. A
quick google doesn't give me a result either. Any idea where I can find it
?

I have a problem with this XP machine that seems dead certain
to be a keyboard problem, but once it's been triggered, switching
to the OSK doesn't cure it!


There is the slight possibility that a stuck shift/control/alt key might be
firing a steady stream of key-down messages, interfeering with any other


Yes, I had that thought too - but I have remembered that not only did I
try an external USB keyboard, but also even bought a replacement
internal one (it's a netbook). [Only partly to see if it cured this
problem: it's also a white one, which is a lot easier to see than the
black one that came with the (black) machine.] It didn't fix it. (My
problem seems to be triggered by using the left Ctrl key, so I avoid
touching it!)

keyboard "attached" to the system. Next time you encounter that same
problem see if unplugging the keyboard itself changes anything.

... and while I'm writing the above down it occurs to me that thats
something I need to try too. :-)

[]
Do tell how you get on.
--
J. P. Gilliver
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Old April 1st 17, 12:27 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Lee
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Default How to make a double-click only affect the clicked-on file ?

On Friday, March 31, 2017 at 4:49:04 AM UTC-6, R.Wieser wrote:
Lee,

You provide your own work around, pressing the Alt key.


Yeah, but not a *good* work-around I'm afraid. I switch between the CLI
and GUI to much to have to do it every time (for a problem that pops up
sometimes).

Understood there. I would call that a power user of the big DOS box although you've already indicated you would not call it that ever. Maximized window isn't what I was referring to either even though they may in fact be the same thing. We are on the same page, it just might not sound like it.


Full screen console means a big DOS box?


Nope, it means the CLI taking up the whole screen (like most games do), not
maximized GUI window. Like when you get (on an W98 system) when pressing
ALT-ENTER when in a windowed CLI.


And here is our clue, your ALT press (in windows) from that is being maintained afterwards (via the keyboard buffer). And this begs the question just exactly how do you get to full screen console? I assume you start with the START menu's DOS PROMPT shortcut, but then do you manually press ALT + ENTER? You don't need to preload the windows keyboard buffer with this ALT button press which may be the root cause of the issue.

Earlier you asked for where are the settings if there are any?
Answer is under right click on the DOS PROMPT shortcut with several gotchas in there. One is close on exit checkbox tick, mine is ticked. Another is screen start settings in full size or standard normal window, play with this to get ALTless full screen CLI perhaps. Another is Windows shortcut key list allowed during CLI interface, all of mine are checked and I never mess with it so this is probably the original settings I'm looking at -- ALT + ENTER is in there, but I don't know if unchecking it is the thing to do or not. I doubt it but you never know. You may have to reboot for changes done in here to actually go into full effect too - if in doubt reboot as they say or should have.

I usually don't use the big DOS box for anything.


:-) Sometimes it feels to me I use it more than I use the GUI.


Confirmed power user then. We are all addicted to the best Windows ever, just in a vast multitude of different ways. Hello, my name is Lee and I have an addiction.

My vote is on some dodgy BIOS code that may have been fixed in the
last available BIOS version for your machine perhaps.


Are you sure ? Doesn't windows load its own low-level keyboard-driver
(ignoring any-and-all BIOS routines for it)

If I'm not mistaken NONE of the BIOS calls can be ignored in that manner, Basic In/Out System is what BIOS stands for and it's a 'get all your work done thru me' centralized standard from day one. Even protected mode windows calls are still done with interrupt calls thru the BIOS, just in a different section for protected mode. Keyboard use would just use a different set of interrupt calls from say the hard drive or screen. And it's quite likely that protected mode sections extend to the keyboard too. Ralf Brown's interrupt list is a mighty fine read for further details.

But I've changed my mind as to BIOS update being a possible need in your case, pretty sure now it's just the settings/method you are using with a possible cure using an exit batch file perhaps. Other method may be to alter the string in the registry that fires up the CLI emulator, some batch files I use require certain switches for firing up the CLI part such that it will persist and work properly with some of the batch files I'm using, but the exact information to supply here is long forgotten since it's been so long since I built the batch files. /C or /K switches seem to be in the front of my mind but a run thru of the DOS help file might shed better light on the subject. I've even forgotten exactly where to look in the registry for this string anyway. For now you can mess with the shortcut properties which will probably be doing the exact same thing anyway. I use RegShot to confirm such suspicions often, but again been so long I would have to relearn my own methods for even using RegShot properly.

One last rememberance of mine is that there several DOS mode PIF file shortcuts scattered throughout the system. You will have to work on the correct one, one operates the shutdown flash moment as windows dies IIRC. If you foul this one up you can get locked into CLI only and other problems as well. One is specifically for reboot to DOS mode choice and others I never did figure out.
 




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