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  #21  
Old April 4th 08, 10:25 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
Mike M
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Default New PC, ME with old BIOS

At the risk of repeating myself. When you reboot your system following
removal of all the devices in the Device Manager the system will be in the
same state it would be, driver wise, that it would be following a clean
install of the operating system from a Win Me CD. At this point what you
then have to do is no different from what you would do following a clean
install of Win Me.

Note that removing all entries in Dev.Man is standard procedure whenever a
system disk is moved to new hardware regardless of the operating system in
use. In this respect Win Me is no different from either Win 98, W2K or
XP.
--
Mike Maltby



William B. Lurie wrote:

Hmmmmm. ACPI doesn't scare me; the new system has it. But I thought
everything would install itself when I reboot in Normal Mode. If it's
going to prompt me, and ask if it should go looking for them, that I
can live with. But if it just sits there not working, I'll be worse
off than I am now. Now I'm scared again.


  #22  
Old April 5th 08, 12:42 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
Ron Martell
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Default New PC, ME with old BIOS

"William B. Lurie" wrote:

That's the best I can describe it.
I have a hard drive from my old PC
with ME on it. It won't boot in Normal
Mode in my new PC, I suspect because
it was mad with a different BIOS.

However, it boots just fine in Safe Mode.
Is there a way to get around this?
(I hope I made it clear enough).
Thanks.


If you have an installation CD for the Windows Me then the best way to
resolve these issues is to boot with that CD and do a "Repair Install"
of Windows Me.

These instructions are for Windows XP but the procedure for Vista is
pretty well the same.
http://michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.html

Good luck

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2008)
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

"Anyone who thinks that they are too small to make a difference
has never been in bed with a mosquito."
  #23  
Old April 5th 08, 12:57 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
Mike M
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Default New PC, ME with old BIOS

Ron,

Reinstalling Win Me over itself is a somewhat dangerous route to take if
either Internet Explorer 6 or Windows Media Player 9 have been installed.
In both cases it is essential to first take action so as to prevent major
subsequent player/browser problems.

Incidentally the user is talking here of Windows Millennium and not of
either Vista or XP.
--
Mike Maltby




Ron Martell wrote:

If you have an installation CD for the Windows Me then the best way to
resolve these issues is to boot with that CD and do a "Repair Install"
of Windows Me.

These instructions are for Windows XP but the procedure for Vista is
pretty well the same.
http://michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.html

Good luck


  #24  
Old April 5th 08, 02:09 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
William B. Lurie
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Default New PC, ME with old BIOS

Thanks, Ron. The CD that I have is what I used years ago, an "upgrade"
from 98 to M.E. And there's no XP or Vista involved here.

Ron Martell wrote:
"William B. Lurie" wrote:

That's the best I can describe it.
I have a hard drive from my old PC
with ME on it. It won't boot in Normal
Mode in my new PC, I suspect because
it was mad with a different BIOS.

However, it boots just fine in Safe Mode.
Is there a way to get around this?
(I hope I made it clear enough).
Thanks.


If you have an installation CD for the Windows Me then the best way to
resolve these issues is to boot with that CD and do a "Repair Install"
of Windows Me.

These instructions are for Windows XP but the procedure for Vista is
pretty well the same.
http://michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.html

Good luck

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada

  #25  
Old April 5th 08, 02:11 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
William B. Lurie
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Default New PC, ME with old BIOS

Mike M wrote:
Ron,

Reinstalling Win Me over itself is a somewhat dangerous route to take if
either Internet Explorer 6 or Windows Media Player 9 have been
installed. In both cases it is essential to first take action so as to
prevent major subsequent player/browser problems.

Incidentally the user is talking here of Windows Millennium and not of
either Vista or XP.

Mike, there is no I.E. on the drive, and no Media Player 9. Does
that make the reinstall more practical?
  #26  
Old April 5th 08, 02:21 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
Mart
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Default New PC, ME with old BIOS

I would most strongly concur with you Mike, overinstalling WinMe on itself
after undertaking (most of, if not) all of the WinMe Updates is a disaster
waiting to happen - BTDT. Or "Version Soup" - as Noel Paton so eloquently
described it.

But in the case of this particular thread, as you rightly pointed out
earlier "Note that removing all entries in Dev.Man is standard procedure
whenever a system disk is moved to new hardware regardless of the operating
system in use. In this respect Win Me is no different from either Win 98,
W2K or XP."

And - It looks like we've reverted to the intermittent phantom "1 message
not downloaded" phenomenon on this News Group which I've not seen for some
time g Was it this same NG we saw it happening last time?

Mart


"Mike M" wrote in message
...
Ron,

Reinstalling Win Me over itself is a somewhat dangerous route to take if
either Internet Explorer 6 or Windows Media Player 9 have been installed.
In both cases it is essential to first take action so as to prevent major
subsequent player/browser problems.

Incidentally the user is talking here of Windows Millennium and not of
either Vista or XP.
--
Mike Maltby




Ron Martell wrote:

If you have an installation CD for the Windows Me then the best way to
resolve these issues is to boot with that CD and do a "Repair Install"
of Windows Me.

These instructions are for Windows XP but the procedure for Vista is
pretty well the same.
http://michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.html

Good luck




  #27  
Old April 5th 08, 02:37 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
Mart
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Default New PC, ME with old BIOS

William (Bill?), we are not suggesting for a moment that you re-install
WinMe - in fact quite the opposite!

All that is being advised, is that you let the copy of WinMe previously
installed on the (replacement) HDD re-detect the (different and new)
hardware connected to the 'new' computer - i.e. connected in its new
environment. To do that effectively, you need to clear out (or 'Remove') the
previous plug'n'play hardware settings which were applicable to the original
PC in which the HDD was first installed.

Which as Mike explained earlier "is standard procedure whenever a system
disk is moved to new hardware regardless of the operating system"

It really is no big deal.

Mart



"William B. Lurie" wrote in message
...
Mike M wrote:
Ron,

Reinstalling Win Me over itself is a somewhat dangerous route to take if
either Internet Explorer 6 or Windows Media Player 9 have been installed.
In both cases it is essential to first take action so as to prevent major
subsequent player/browser problems.

Incidentally the user is talking here of Windows Millennium and not of
either Vista or XP.

Mike, there is no I.E. on the drive, and no Media Player 9. Does
that make the reinstall more practical?



  #28  
Old April 5th 08, 04:00 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
William B. Lurie
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Default New PC, ME with old BIOS

Gotcha! Then you feel that I don't need instruction(KB) for Repair
Install....just clear out all old hardware settings in Safe Mode
and try to reboot to Normal Mode.....not even use my CD?
Bill Lurie indeed.

Mart wrote:
William (Bill?), we are not suggesting for a moment that you re-install
WinMe - in fact quite the opposite!

All that is being advised, is that you let the copy of WinMe previously
installed on the (replacement) HDD re-detect the (different and new)
hardware connected to the 'new' computer - i.e. connected in its new
environment. To do that effectively, you need to clear out (or 'Remove') the
previous plug'n'play hardware settings which were applicable to the original
PC in which the HDD was first installed.

Which as Mike explained earlier "is standard procedure whenever a system
disk is moved to new hardware regardless of the operating system"

It really is no big deal.

Mart



"William B. Lurie" wrote in message
...
Mike M wrote:
Ron,

Reinstalling Win Me over itself is a somewhat dangerous route to take if
either Internet Explorer 6 or Windows Media Player 9 have been installed.
In both cases it is essential to first take action so as to prevent major
subsequent player/browser problems.

Incidentally the user is talking here of Windows Millennium and not of
either Vista or XP.

Mike, there is no I.E. on the drive, and no Media Player 9. Does
that make the reinstall more practical?



  #29  
Old April 5th 08, 11:37 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
Mart
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Default New PC, ME with old BIOS

Correct Bill, although it *may* want you to navigate to the WinMe CD or more
likely the Windows\Options\Install folder, if WinMe detects that it needs a
specific driver during the hardware enumeration (evaluation) stage.

As Mike and I have already pointed out, you do not need to over-install
WinMe - YET. That's a very last resort fraught with pitfalls - version soup!
And a fresh (clean) rather than an over-install would be my recommendation.
However, that's a long way off.

Remember, your 'old' HDD is now in a completely new environment. It
therefore needs to forget the 'old' PC hardware settings ("Removal of all
the devices in the Device Manager" in Safe Mode is the correct method of
ensuring this) and determine (and adjust itself to) the new hardware
incorporated in the 'new' PC by rebooting into Normal Mode.

Most items will (re)install themselves quite happily, but certain items
*may* need special software (drivers) to make them work correctly - drivers
which will have been installed on the original HDD of the *new* PC before
you replaced it with the HDD under discussion. These drivers now need to be
installed on the 'old' HDD.

All previously installed programs (including IE or MPxxx) will still be
installed on the 'old' HDD and should not need any *special* updates or
modifications - subject to any hardware issues.

The stall at the "flashing 'dash' prompt" is simply caused by WinMe
attempting to enumerate some piece of hardware which it doesn't recognise.
It's got itself confused and has decided to hang until YOU do something
about it. You need to determine (by a process of elimination) what item is
causing the stall (and the "PCI Multimedia Device" with USB facilities? is
the prime suspect) and temporarily physically disconnect or remove it.
Repeat the Normal Mode boot process and hope that it can continue without
hanging. Worry about the offending item of hardware later!

Mart



"William B. Lurie" wrote in message
...
Gotcha! Then you feel that I don't need instruction(KB) for Repair
Install....just clear out all old hardware settings in Safe Mode
and try to reboot to Normal Mode.....not even use my CD?
Bill Lurie indeed.

Mart wrote:
William (Bill?), we are not suggesting for a moment that you re-install
WinMe - in fact quite the opposite!

All that is being advised, is that you let the copy of WinMe previously
installed on the (replacement) HDD re-detect the (different and new)
hardware connected to the 'new' computer - i.e. connected in its new
environment. To do that effectively, you need to clear out (or 'Remove')
the previous plug'n'play hardware settings which were applicable to the
original PC in which the HDD was first installed.

Which as Mike explained earlier "is standard procedure whenever a system
disk is moved to new hardware regardless of the operating system"

It really is no big deal.

Mart



"William B. Lurie" wrote in message
...
Mike M wrote:
Ron,

Reinstalling Win Me over itself is a somewhat dangerous route to take
if either Internet Explorer 6 or Windows Media Player 9 have been
installed. In both cases it is essential to first take action so as to
prevent major subsequent player/browser problems.

Incidentally the user is talking here of Windows Millennium and not of
either Vista or XP.
Mike, there is no I.E. on the drive, and no Media Player 9. Does
that make the reinstall more practical?



  #30  
Old April 5th 08, 02:03 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
William B. Lurie
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Well, Mart, I got bold and (laboriously) opened all of
the condensed categories and removed all that it would allow
me to. There were four under Primary and Secondary IDE Disk
Controllers that it wouldn't let me remove, no matter what
I tried, so I just proceeded from there.

I'm a little confused as to what exactly I did next, but I
believe it allowed me to Restart, F8 to Normal Mode, at least
once. I then used Add/Remove to get rid of old programs, and
obsolete printers, and I finally got myself to a cleaner
system.........only now I hang at the dash prompt again.

But now I'm not scared any more, and I'm going to unplug the USB
(new) printer and web camera, and go back and remove all devices
again. Maybe I'll get to where it will boot Normal again.
Incidentally, at one point it asked for the CD for installing
something I don't need (I forget what) and I didn't bother with it.

Thanks for giving me good advice...and courage.
BTW...this is a long thread; should I start a new one?

Mart wrote:
Correct Bill, although it *may* want you to navigate to the WinMe CD or more
likely the Windows\Options\Install folder, if WinMe detects that it needs a
specific driver during the hardware enumeration (evaluation) stage.

As Mike and I have already pointed out, you do not need to over-install
WinMe - YET. That's a very last resort fraught with pitfalls - version soup!
And a fresh (clean) rather than an over-install would be my recommendation.
However, that's a long way off.

Remember, your 'old' HDD is now in a completely new environment. It
therefore needs to forget the 'old' PC hardware settings ("Removal of all
the devices in the Device Manager" in Safe Mode is the correct method of
ensuring this) and determine (and adjust itself to) the new hardware
incorporated in the 'new' PC by rebooting into Normal Mode.

Most items will (re)install themselves quite happily, but certain items
*may* need special software (drivers) to make them work correctly - drivers
which will have been installed on the original HDD of the *new* PC before
you replaced it with the HDD under discussion. These drivers now need to be
installed on the 'old' HDD.

All previously installed programs (including IE or MPxxx) will still be
installed on the 'old' HDD and should not need any *special* updates or
modifications - subject to any hardware issues.

The stall at the "flashing 'dash' prompt" is simply caused by WinMe
attempting to enumerate some piece of hardware which it doesn't recognise.
It's got itself confused and has decided to hang until YOU do something
about it. You need to determine (by a process of elimination) what item is
causing the stall (and the "PCI Multimedia Device" with USB facilities? is
the prime suspect) and temporarily physically disconnect or remove it.
Repeat the Normal Mode boot process and hope that it can continue without
hanging. Worry about the offending item of hardware later!

Mart



"William B. Lurie" wrote in message
...
Gotcha! Then you feel that I don't need instruction(KB) for Repair
Install....just clear out all old hardware settings in Safe Mode
and try to reboot to Normal Mode.....not even use my CD?
Bill Lurie indeed.

Mart wrote:
William (Bill?), we are not suggesting for a moment that you re-install
WinMe - in fact quite the opposite!

All that is being advised, is that you let the copy of WinMe previously
installed on the (replacement) HDD re-detect the (different and new)
hardware connected to the 'new' computer - i.e. connected in its new
environment. To do that effectively, you need to clear out (or 'Remove')
the previous plug'n'play hardware settings which were applicable to the
original PC in which the HDD was first installed.

Which as Mike explained earlier "is standard procedure whenever a system
disk is moved to new hardware regardless of the operating system"

It really is no big deal.

Mart



"William B. Lurie" wrote in message
...
Mike M wrote:
Ron,

Reinstalling Win Me over itself is a somewhat dangerous route to take
if either Internet Explorer 6 or Windows Media Player 9 have been
installed. In both cases it is essential to first take action so as to
prevent major subsequent player/browser problems.

Incidentally the user is talking here of Windows Millennium and not of
either Vista or XP.
Mike, there is no I.E. on the drive, and no Media Player 9. Does
that make the reinstall more practical?


 




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