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  #11  
Old April 4th 08, 04:19 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
William B. Lurie
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Default New PC, ME with old BIOS

Okay, fellers.... I'll remove the "?" devices
in Safe Mode and reboot, and see if it finds
enough to proceed to Normal Mode. And thanx.

Mart wrote:
William asked :-

What's your next advice? Shall I try to remove the devices
with the yellow question marks?


Yes, the fact that the HDD is not in its 'native' environment would mean
that any hardware (previously) detected and installed will have the drivers
etc., setup for the original PC on the HDD.

The 'new' PC may have *similar* devices, but not exactly the same so those
original drivers are probably unsuitable, but perhaps not sufficiently so
for the newly run PC to want to install fresh drivers. The clue is probably
the "PCI Multimedia Device" - possibly a sound card.

However, the 'solution' as you already suggested, is to 'Remove' ALL the
items you listed in Device Manager (using Dev.Man) - which you must do in
Safe Mode. Then re-boot and let WinMe re-detect and install NEW drivers (You
might be called on to supply the appropriate drivers as WinMe (re-)detects
the 'new' hardware, so you might need any driver disks/CD's supplied with
the 'new' PC)

Hopefully, that will get you past the "flashing 'dash' prompt" you mentioned
in your reply to Zee and good luck.

Mart


"William B. Lurie" wrote in message
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Okay, Mart, I went thar and looked again. In Device Manager,
there are *no* Exclamation Points or errors, but down in
"Other Devices" there are 3 yellow question marks....one
at PCI Multimedia Device. and one each at USB device.

I did full system scandisk including surface check, with
no errors found.

What's your next advice? Shall I try to remove the devices
with the yellow question marks?

Mart wrote:
Besides Zee's most important question, when in Safe Mode take a look in
Device Manager and make a note of any/all errors, conflicts and multiple
entries (especially modems, video or sound cards and their drivers).
Might just reveal a potential hardware issue.

Mart



"oops!!" wrote in message
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William,

What happens exactly when you start Windows in Normal Mode?

Zee



"William B. Lurie" wrote in message
...
That's the best I can describe it.
I have a hard drive from my old PC
with ME on it. It won't boot in Normal
Mode in my new PC, I suspect because
it was mad with a different BIOS.

However, it boots just fine in Safe Mode.
Is there a way to get around this?
(I hope I made it clear enough).
Thanks.


  #12  
Old April 4th 08, 04:39 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
oops!!
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"William B. Lurie" wrote in message
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Sorry.....I do no System Restore points. In the ME
days, I used to make clones for backup but I don't
have those any more.


It wouldn't have worked anyway, it was an incorrect suggestion.

Zee



  #13  
Old April 4th 08, 05:54 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
Mike M
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If that doesn't work you might want to try also removing the video
controller in Safe Mode which might manage to get you to normal mode
albeit in VGA mode until you install the correct driver for the card in
the new box.

If that also fails then remove ALL device in the Device Manger whilst in
Safe Mode and then try booting to Normal Mode. This should then allow all
of the new hardware to be (re)detected and the appropriate drivers to be
installed.
--
Mike Maltby



William B. Lurie wrote:

Okay, fellers.... I'll remove the "?" devices
in Safe Mode and reboot, and see if it finds
enough to proceed to Normal Mode. And thanx.


  #14  
Old April 4th 08, 06:31 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
William B. Lurie
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Default New PC, ME with old BIOS

Mike M wrote:
If that doesn't work you might want to try also removing the video
controller in Safe Mode which might manage to get you to normal mode
albeit in VGA mode until you install the correct driver for the card in
the new box.

If that also fails then remove ALL device in the Device Manger whilst in
Safe Mode and then try booting to Normal Mode. This should then allow
all of the new hardware to be (re)detected and the appropriate drivers
to be installed.

To Mart and Mike M.:
I did the first phase.
It acted exactly the same, hung at the '-' prompt.

I am considering what Mike recommends above,
but I hesitate, because if I remove *all* devices, will it necessarily
then install new drivers on boot-up? Could I not possibly be in a
condition where it won't even boot to Safe Mode?
And when you say "ALL devices".....that's quite a list; but you want me
to remove everything that appears on the list, correct?
  #15  
Old April 4th 08, 07:54 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
Mart
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Default New PC, ME with old BIOS

William, Mike's advice is perfectly valid, (thanks Mike) especially now as
its still hanging at the '-' prompt. I realised that I also should have
suggested that you 'Remove' ALL devices under these circumstances - but only
*after* I'd pressed the Send button g

As Mike has alluded, WinMe will (re)detect ALL hardware and (subject to
specialised non-MS drivers) set up as if it were a fresh installation. WinMe
will install generic drivers if it can't find manufacturers drivers, but
should at least get you up and running.

Mart



"William B. Lurie" wrote in message
...
Mike M wrote:
If that doesn't work you might want to try also removing the video
controller in Safe Mode which might manage to get you to normal mode
albeit in VGA mode until you install the correct driver for the card in
the new box.

If that also fails then remove ALL device in the Device Manger whilst in
Safe Mode and then try booting to Normal Mode. This should then allow
all of the new hardware to be (re)detected and the appropriate drivers to
be installed.

To Mart and Mike M.:
I did the first phase.
It acted exactly the same, hung at the '-' prompt.

I am considering what Mike recommends above,
but I hesitate, because if I remove *all* devices, will it necessarily
then install new drivers on boot-up? Could I not possibly be in a
condition where it won't even boot to Safe Mode?
And when you say "ALL devices".....that's quite a list; but you want me
to remove everything that appears on the list, correct?



  #16  
Old April 4th 08, 08:20 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
William B. Lurie
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Default New PC, ME with old BIOS

Fine, Mart. Just confirm for me that you want me to remove *all*
the stuff in that list of devices, reboot in *Normal* mode?

Mart wrote:
William, Mike's advice is perfectly valid, (thanks Mike) especially now as
its still hanging at the '-' prompt. I realised that I also should have
suggested that you 'Remove' ALL devices under these circumstances - but only
*after* I'd pressed the Send button g

As Mike has alluded, WinMe will (re)detect ALL hardware and (subject to
specialised non-MS drivers) set up as if it were a fresh installation. WinMe
will install generic drivers if it can't find manufacturers drivers, but
should at least get you up and running.

Mart



"William B. Lurie" wrote in message
...
Mike M wrote:
If that doesn't work you might want to try also removing the video
controller in Safe Mode which might manage to get you to normal mode
albeit in VGA mode until you install the correct driver for the card in
the new box.

If that also fails then remove ALL device in the Device Manger whilst in
Safe Mode and then try booting to Normal Mode. This should then allow
all of the new hardware to be (re)detected and the appropriate drivers to
be installed.

To Mart and Mike M.:
I did the first phase.
It acted exactly the same, hung at the '-' prompt.

I am considering what Mike recommends above,
but I hesitate, because if I remove *all* devices, will it necessarily
then install new drivers on boot-up? Could I not possibly be in a
condition where it won't even boot to Safe Mode?
And when you say "ALL devices".....that's quite a list; but you want me
to remove everything that appears on the list, correct?



  #17  
Old April 4th 08, 08:49 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
Mike M
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Default New PC, ME with old BIOS

William B. Lurie wrote:

Fine, Mart. Just confirm for me that you want me to remove *all*
the stuff in that list of devices, reboot in *Normal* mode?


Yes, remove _everything_. The one driver that you can't really change in
this way is ACPI power management which if present but not supported by
the bios on the new motherboard may require a clean install of Win Me to
correct.

Removing all the devices in the device manager and rebooting will put the
system back to the state it would be, driver wise, following a clean
install of the operating system. Once you have the system in this state
you will need to install the various drivers required for your hardware
starting with the chipset drivers for your new motherboard.
--
Mike Maltby





  #18  
Old April 4th 08, 09:19 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
Mart
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PS. if you've not already found out by now - your mouse will probably cease
to function when you 'Remove' it, so you'll have to navigate via the cursor
(and Tab) keys to continue - until you reboot and re-detect it.

Mart


"Mike M" wrote in message
...
William B. Lurie wrote:

Fine, Mart. Just confirm for me that you want me to remove *all*
the stuff in that list of devices, reboot in *Normal* mode?


Yes, remove _everything_. The one driver that you can't really change in
this way is ACPI power management which if present but not supported by
the bios on the new motherboard may require a clean install of Win Me to
correct.

Removing all the devices in the device manager and rebooting will put the
system back to the state it would be, driver wise, following a clean
install of the operating system. Once you have the system in this state
you will need to install the various drivers required for your hardware
starting with the chipset drivers for your new motherboard.
--
Mike Maltby







  #19  
Old April 4th 08, 10:03 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
William B. Lurie
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Default New PC, ME with old BIOS

Mike M wrote:
William B. Lurie wrote:

Fine, Mart. Just confirm for me that you want me to remove *all*
the stuff in that list of devices, reboot in *Normal* mode?


Yes, remove _everything_. The one driver that you can't really change
in this way is ACPI power management which if present but not supported
by the bios on the new motherboard may require a clean install of Win Me
to correct.

Removing all the devices in the device manager and rebooting will put
the system back to the state it would be, driver wise, following a clean
install of the operating system. Once you have the system in this state
you will need to install the various drivers required for your hardware
starting with the chipset drivers for your new motherboard.

Hmmmmm. ACPI doesn't scare me; the new system has it. But I thought
everything would install itself when I reboot in Normal Mode. If it's
going to prompt me, and ask if it should go looking for them, that I
can live with. But if it just sits there not working, I'll be worse
off than I am now. Now I'm scared again.
  #20  
Old April 4th 08, 10:24 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
Mart
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... But if it just sits there not working, I'll be worse
off than I am now. Now I'm scared again.


No, not really William, you won't be any worse than you are now - you'll
still be able to boot into Safe Mode. Don't forget that these drivers are
required for Normal Mode only.

However, you mentioned:- "Other Devices" there are 3 yellow question
marks....one
at PCI Multimedia Device. and one each at USB device.

Have any of these re-appeared (in Safe Mode) since you removed them before?
If so, this device (a USB adapter of some sort?) would appear to be where
the conflict is (driver issues) and should be electrically disconnected
until you are able either determine what it is or find the appropriate
drivers for it.

Mart


"William B. Lurie" wrote in message
...
Mike M wrote:
William B. Lurie wrote:

Fine, Mart. Just confirm for me that you want me to remove *all*
the stuff in that list of devices, reboot in *Normal* mode?


Yes, remove _everything_. The one driver that you can't really change in
this way is ACPI power management which if present but not supported by
the bios on the new motherboard may require a clean install of Win Me to
correct.

Removing all the devices in the device manager and rebooting will put the
system back to the state it would be, driver wise, following a clean
install of the operating system. Once you have the system in this state
you will need to install the various drivers required for your hardware
starting with the chipset drivers for your new motherboard.

Hmmmmm. ACPI doesn't scare me; the new system has it. But I thought
everything would install itself when I reboot in Normal Mode. If it's
going to prompt me, and ask if it should go looking for them, that I
can live with. But if it just sits there not working, I'll be worse
off than I am now. Now I'm scared again.



 




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