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1. how to get rid of "suspend" 2. a GREAT utility (no, not for IE)
Lostgallifreyan wrote in
: snip Out of curiosity, on the machine where Suspend does NOT appear, what other aspects of standard power control do also not appear there? I'm not sure what you mean - I have wiped that whole drive because I want to make it a DOS/Win3.11 machine, so I can't investigate further - but all it had was "Shutdown" with its 3 usual options. I'm not sure if this answers your question. -- "Well, Steve, I think there's more than one way of looking at it. I think it's more like we both had this rich neighbor named Xerox and I broke into his house to steal the TV set and found out that you had already stolen it." Bill Gates to Steve Jobs, around 1983 |
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1. how to get rid of "suspend" 2. a GREAT utility (no, not for IE)
thanatoid wrote in
: I'm not sure what you mean - I have wiped that whole drive because I want to make it a DOS/Win3.11 machine, so I can't investigate further - but all it had was "Shutdown" with its 3 usual options. I'm not sure if this answers your question. Hard drive shutdown after N minutes, likewise monitor, that sort of thing... Systray.exe needs Pwrprof.dll for battery monitor displays in laptops, so perhaps you might have missed any battery or power related control panel bits along with the suspend. You say W95B... X98 is W95C shell on W98SE so it clearly isn't a shell thing, so maybe W95's core lacks somethign new to W98, which is very likely, I think M$ did a lot on power management in those few years, as laptops got common. Incidentally, I noticed that systray icons will work in X98 Core in absence of Systray.exe so I'm not sure I even need it, I just put that subsystem togther as it's likely that other people would want it. Also, if the drive ejector in NUSB wants Systray.exe it will have to stay in Inst and fuller installs. Besides, it was a noodlebaking puzzle so I had to solve it. The suspend thing is a slightly less tempting puzzle because it does appear to work in a clean an duncomplicated install, but if I could totally remove that recycle bin nonsense, I would. |
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1. how to get rid of "suspend" 2. a GREAT utility (no, not for IE)
thanatoid wrote in
: It's always been off in thanatoid world®, since 1995 - so "suspend" should not show up. But maybe it isn't off ;-) On my machines (All based on MII12000 boards), the power management in BIOS gets a whole page. It could take a while to test all of that and newer boards likely offer even more detailed control. |
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1. how to get rid of "suspend" 2. a GREAT utility (no, not for IE)
Lostgallifreyan wrote in
: thanatoid wrote in : I'm not sure what you mean snip Hard drive shutdown after N minutes, likewise monitor, that sort of thing... I have all that turned off. When I am done, I just turn the thing off. I never understood why anyone would /need/ "suspend" - maybe if one is using a laptop and is too dumb to know how to save the work and shut down. Systray.exe needs Pwrprof.dll for battery monitor displays in laptops, so perhaps you might have missed any battery or power related control panel bits along with the suspend. I prefer to be chewed up by a bunch of rabid wolves than to use a laptop, or anything with a touchpad and Fn key. Perhaps /you/ can tell me... WHAT is the purpose of "systray" running? If I delete it/take it out of services startup, the machine won't boot. But AFAICT it has no purpose at all except for laptop battery meter. Just curious. You say W95B... X98 WHAT is X98? is W95C shell on W98SE so it clearly isn't a shell thing, so maybe W95's core lacks somethign new to W98, which is very likely, I think M$ did a lot on power management in those few years, as laptops got common. I hate laptops almost as much as I hate cell phones and iToys. I know I shouldn't keep on repeating that - no one cares what I think. Incidentally, I noticed that systray icons will work in X98 Core Again... WTF is X98? in absence of Systray.exe ....and how does it boot WITHOUT systray enabled? so I'm not sure I even need it, I just put that subsystem togther as it's likely that other people would want it. Also, if the drive ejector in NUSB And WHAT is THAT? wants Systray.exe it will have to stay in Inst and fuller installs. Besides, it was a noodlebaking puzzle so I had to solve it. You are easily the most mysterious person I have run into on the Usenet. The suspend thing is a slightly less tempting puzzle because it does appear to work in a clean an duncomplicated install, but if I could totally remove that recycle bin nonsense, I would. I have everything possible set to NOT use the Rec. Bin (renamed Trash and with nice non-MS icons), but once in a while it can save your ass. Needless to say, I have REST2514, but the restores are often corrupted (YES, I restore to a different drive) and also, and I can NOT figure out WHY, half the time I get the message "DLL32.DLL missing" and nothing doing. So I am actually glad some programs will delete to the RB no matter what you do. -- There's nothing here to attract existing fans of either bands. Instead, all [Rhino's compilation] "Total" does is to reinforce the idea that Joy Division/New Order was a hugely exciting source of music between 1978 and 1990 and New Order has been a pitiful shadow of their once-visionary selves ever since. John Meagher, The Irish Independent |
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1. how to get rid of "suspend" 2. a GREAT utility (no, not for IE)
Lostgallifreyan wrote in
: I do have binaries access.... Just posted in alt.binaries.testing -- There's nothing here to attract existing fans of either bands. Instead, all [Rhino's compilation] "Total" does is to reinforce the idea that Joy Division/New Order was a hugely exciting source of music between 1978 and 1990 and New Order has been a pitiful shadow of their once-visionary selves ever since. John Meagher, The Irish Independent |
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1. how to get rid of "suspend" 2. a GREAT utility (no, not for IE)
thanatoid wrote in
: Lostgallifreyan wrote in : I do have binaries access.... Just posted in alt.binaries.testing I think it stripped the MIME encoded stuff from the post. It only showed me the text. Btw, Iconsaver sounds like a tool for storing desktop icon layout. This definitely came up in discussion here but I grabbed something for that at the time. Is this tool really ok for putting system tray icons back? That seems to be a harder task because I thought it might have to hook the programs themselves in some way to get their icons back. (Not that I know anything about that...) |
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1. how to get rid of "suspend" 2. a GREAT utility (no, not for IE)
thanatoid wrote in
: When I am done, I just turn the thing off. I never understood why anyone would /need/ "suspend" - maybe if one is using a laptop and is too dumb to know how to save the work and shut down. Fast recovery from low power standby. The idea makes sense, it's just pointless because it's slow and easily broken. It is great on PDA's where the OS always runs, but a hardware button switches the machine on and off like a light. I prefer to be chewed up by a bunch of rabid wolves than to use a laptop, or anything with a touchpad and Fn key. I hate laptops. PDA's would bo ok, if I could still read the tiny text. Big text on a tiny screen really sucks. I'm hoping that a tablet with an i386 emulator running W98 might be viable. People have tried, but not with results I want, so far. Perhaps /you/ can tell me... WHAT is the purpose of "systray" running? If I delete it/take it out of services startup, the machine won't boot. But AFAICT it has no purpose at all except for laptop battery meter. Well, that's what I said. If that really IS all there is to it, then I'll make it optional in X98 unless its absence makes some base hardware install fail. WHAT is X98? W98, made modular, lean as possible, and I MEAN that, it's reduced to the smallest possible file set and registry that can be used to build back to a full install easily. It can be used as a base for recovery disks, with or without network (Network module to use only TCP/IP, not yet done). It's based on the 98-Lite idea, but with much greater reduction, Shane Brooks only went this far for firms paying big money for embedded systems, you won't get it from Micro which is still a lot bigger than X98 Core. Especially the registry. Most of that is entirely generated by the OS at install time, and subsequent program installs. I reduced it beyond anything I heard of or thought possible, which is good because it means we can have very clean starting conditions where it's easier to see what is truly important, to see which (very few) vital elements are needed to get working restoration of broken stuff that depends on them. Currently there are a a few modules: CORE. Gets boot to a desktop in very few seconds from cold start, runs any program written in C or assembler if it has only strict core dependencies, only needs main system fonts and standard VGA. Edxor, Windows Calculator, Regedit, Zoomin (pixel magnifier), for example... Core has NO machine specific dependencies other that i386 with VGA. INST. Hardware install. Runs without reboot till end of sequence, or hiding detail from operator. It all happens in Windows, not DOS. After this point, the base install is machine independent, with an install best practised a few times to figure out best choice of core drivers, bussmastering, display, etc. It also uses the OS's install engine (enumerator, etc) to do this, it should not use driver setips based on installers that run like separate programs because those can pollute a system, and have more dependencies than are likely in the core yet. This module will also add a full USB support partly based on NUSB's methods. Full 48 bit LBA will be supported either here, or in the core, once I find a freeware one I can use reliably. It also adds reliable ASPI support for optical writer drives. PROC. Process module, adds runtime libraries chosen from list. Can be added without Inst module for fast dedicated systems where some program needs them, but otherwise wants the solid stable core and no SVGA or audio or net, etc. Ghost Explorer needs this, for example... So would driver installers, in cases where the actual core driver files cannot be installed by the OS engine itself. (Personally I ALWAYS reject any driver or hardware that will not let the OS take care of this, or allow manual install, which amounts to the same thing). ECNS. Badly named module so far, in full it seems downright pretentious too: Electronic Central Nervous System. The idea is important though. I didn't come up with this as a weird Star Trek affectation, it gravitated entirely naturally out of work to explore the boundaries between parts of the normal W98 core, which is bigger than mine. Where Inst sets up the internal stuff common to all machines, hardware on mainboard ('System Devices' in Device Manager) and various internal drives, ECNS sets up stuff that makes the machine more than a number cruncher, it covers all the stuff to support external input and output. Audio and other specialised IO driver base support added to the install engine, and DirectX and other stuff to use more of the DSP on audio and video hardware, allowing games, 3D graphic design. If I figure out printer core support, that goes here too. ECNS basically makes the computer a body, not just a brain. INET. Not done yet. It will add the network installer class for the install engine (and allow subsequent network driver install), add network stack, TCP/IP protocol, DCHP client.. DOS tools like Ping, Tracert, etc. All the minimal stuff we need for a broadband line and LAN. I won't add Dial-Up-Networking or anything beyond that, but hopefully if I get it right, adding that by standard W98 install methods should work if people want it. In case you're wonderign why go to the trouble, don't, you already know the answer, it's why you're here saying what you do and not touting M$'s latest on some other newsgroup. What I can say is that that when I first tried OpenBSD and saw their modular selection of modules at install time, I knew that W98 should be like that. Fortunately, it CAN be. As we can't audit and edit code (even if I had the abaility at that level!), I can't gurantee that like OpenBSD, it's 'secure by default', but this is as close as it's possible to get, and it's also as easy an install as I've ever seen. Don't ask me any more, I doubt I could cope with writing the answer. other people would want it. Also, if the drive ejector in NUSB And WHAT is THAT? Neat trick. It's a Systray icon that you can left- or right-click to see what external drives are mounted, and 'stop' them, i.e. flush data from cache to hardware, then disable the hardware for safe removal without data loss or hardware hangups. They do it well, so I added it to X98. I think it depended on Systray.exe actually, I can't remember though, it's a few months since I worked on it. You are easily the most mysterious person I have run into on the Usenet. If this is still true after reading the above, then I consider it an honour. The suspend thing is a slightly less tempting puzzle because it does appear to work in a clean an duncomplicated install, but if I could totally remove that recycle bin nonsense, I would. I have everything possible set to NOT use the Rec. Bin (renamed Trash and with nice non-MS icons), but once in a while it can save your ass. Needless to say, I have REST2514, but the restores are often corrupted (YES, I restore to a different drive) and also, and I can NOT figure out WHY, half the time I get the message "DLL32.DLL missing" and nothing doing. So I am actually glad some programs will delete to the RB no matter what you do. I think maybe, once it saved a file or two for me but only because I'd forgot to disable it in some test install. I find that a small recovery tool works better. Not as convenient, but as I find that good manual backup habits bail me out of more grief than any tool, I prefer to disable the RB system entirely, so I never rely on anything but my methods. I have (rarely) lost data resulting from a bad decision, but never from a machine failure. There have been failures, but never irrecoverable. Basically, I have a LOT of hard drives. Some of them not in the system, switched out on occasion with removable trays. I just have to avoid being lazy about seasonal organising, backups, so I don't end up with backups too old eo be useful. |
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1. how to get rid of "suspend" 2. a GREAT utility (no, not for IE)
Lostgallifreyan wrote in
: thanatoid wrote in : Lostgallifreyan wrote in : I do have binaries access.... Just posted in alt.binaries.testing I think it stripped the MIME encoded stuff from the post. I don't use MIME. I just dl'd it and it's fine. Problem is with your system/newsreader/unzipper. It only showed me the text. Btw, Iconsaver sounds like a tool for storing desktop icon layout. This definitely came up in discussion here but I grabbed something for that at the time. Is this tool really ok for putting system tray icons back? It saves and restores. That is all it does, perfectly. For your ONE chosen resolution. If you cant get it to unzip/etc, I'll post it unzipped, although I don't see how that would make any difference. You tell me what to do. snip -- There's nothing here to attract existing fans of either bands. Instead, all [Rhino's compilation] "Total" does is to reinforce the idea that Joy Division/New Order was a hugely exciting source of music between 1978 and 1990 and New Order has been a pitiful shadow of their once-visionary selves ever since. John Meagher, The Irish Independent |
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1. how to get rid of "suspend" 2. a GREAT utility (no, not for IE)
Lostgallifreyan wrote in
: thanatoid wrote in : When I am done, I just turn the thing off. I never understood why anyone would /need/ "suspend" - maybe if one is using a laptop and is too dumb to know how to save the work and shut down. Fast recovery from low power standby. No, that would be "wake up" ;-) The idea makes sense, it's just pointless because it's slow and easily broken. It is great on PDA's where the OS always runs, but a hardware button switches the machine on and off like a light. Let's not even get into all that portable ****. When I leave the house, I put on a watch, a pen (AKA biro), Sharpie, and little plastic cutter knife in one pocket, my wallet in the other, and that's it. If that really IS all there is to it, then I'll make it optional in X98 unless its absence makes some base hardware install fail. OK, so X98 is a super-mini version YOU are writing... All below is beyond my ability to comprehend. I finally understand what you are doing, and bravo. When will you make it available to the plebs? WHAT is X98? snip In case you're wonderign why go to the trouble, don't, you already know the answer, it's why you're here saying what you do and not touting M$'s latest on some other newsgroup. What I can say is that that when I first tried OpenBSD and saw their modular selection of modules at install time, I knew that W98 should be like that. Fortunately, it CAN be. As we can't audit and edit code (even if I had the abaility at that level!), I can't gurantee that like OpenBSD, it's 'secure by default', but this is as close as it's possible to get, and it's also as easy an install as I've ever seen. Don't ask me any more, I doubt I could cope with writing the answer. Nor I with understanding it. Who cares about security. Ya gets a firewall and ESET for 98 and you're done (this assumes you already have a working brain). other people would want it. Also, if the drive ejector in NUSB And WHAT is THAT? Neat trick. It's a Systray icon that you can left- or right-click to see what external drives are mounted, and 'stop' them, i.e. flush data from cache to hardware, then disable the hardware for safe removal without data loss or hardware hangups. They do it well, so I added it to X98. I think it depended on Systray.exe actually, I can't remember though, it's a few months since I worked on it. That appears to be a part of the basic USB functionality - you have to click on the icon to "unmount" the external USB drive. But I often forget, and I have yet to lose any data. You are easily the most mysterious person I have run into on the Usenet. If this is still true after reading the above, then I consider it an honour. Well, from that ONE sentence I finally understood what you are doing., Had you said, months go "I am writing the smallest Win98 ever" I would not have kept wondering. Again, bravo. snip Needless to say, I have REST2514, but the restores are often corrupted (YES, I restore to a different drive) and also, and I can NOT figure out WHY, half the time I get the message "DLL32.DLL missing" and nothing doing. So I am actually glad some programs will delete to the RB no matter what you do. I think maybe, once it saved a file or two for me but only because I'd forgot to disable it in some test install. I find that a small recovery tool works better. What could be smaller than REST2514? I tried a 3MB program many years ago, and it was a royal pain to use, took 20x, make that *200* times longer, and did not deliver any better results. At least it did not give e the missing dll message. So - uou have NO idea WHY iI get that stupid message? The damn thing is RIGHT in the directory! Sigh. Not as convenient, but as I find that good manual backup habits bail me out of more grief than any tool, I prefer to disable the RB system entirely, so I never rely on anything but my methods. I have (rarely) lost data resulting from a bad decision, but never from a machine failure. There have been failures, but never irrecoverable. Basically, I have a LOT of hard drives. Some of them not in the system, switched out on occasion with removable trays. I just have to avoid being lazy about seasonal organising, backups, so I don't end up with backups too old eo be useful. I have SO many CD's with previous C: setups (going back 8-9 years) and misc backups that I should just take them and destroy them all and be done with it. I have way too many albatrosses. -- There's nothing here to attract existing fans of either bands. Instead, all [Rhino's compilation] "Total" does is to reinforce the idea that Joy Division/New Order was a hugely exciting source of music between 1978 and 1990 and New Order has been a pitiful shadow of their once-visionary selves ever since. John Meagher, The Irish Independent |
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1. how to get rid of "suspend" 2. a GREAT utility (no, not for IE)
thanatoid wrote in
: If you cant get it to unzip/etc, I'll post it unzipped, although I don't see how that would make any difference. You tell me what to do. If it just saves and restores desktop icons, no worries, that's one thing I did solve. Systray crashes are another thing... About the download, I don't know what went wrong, maybe I needed to download more than four recent headers, perhaps.. Normally it always works. |
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