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  #11  
Old August 24th 06, 07:55 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update,microsoft.public.win98.networking,microsoft.public.win98.performance,microsoft.public.win98.setup
Alan
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Default Problems with additional RAM aand NIC

SNIP

good to hear :

Just tried the last of the RAM (256) to bring it up to 1Meg and again the
Device Manager reported problems with the Rhine adapter under NDIS and of
course no access to the internet via the onboard LAN interface. It said it
was either faulty or bad/incorrect drivers. It Control Panel/Network the
Rhine adapter properties didn't change. This time I didn't try reloading

any
drivers but just powered down and removed the 256 RAM stick and powered up
again and all OK with 768. FYI whether 768 or 1Meg the POST says the RAM

is
OK. Any clues?
Alan

Correction. It is not of course NDIS but Network.
Alan


  #12  
Old August 24th 06, 08:47 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update,microsoft.public.win98.networking,microsoft.public.win98.performance,microsoft.public.win98.setup
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Default Problems with additional RAM aand NIC

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Old August 24th 06, 05:51 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update,microsoft.public.win98.networking,microsoft.public.win98.performance,microsoft.public.win98.setup
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Well, I was puzzled why the Rhine adapter in the Device Manager doesn't have
any problems at 768 but does at 1024. So I spent time surfing the VIA and
ASUS websites. In short the version of the VIA LAN driver I was running was
3.14 and the latest is 3.15. What this actually means is that FETND5A file
was the old version from VIA. In attempting to upgrade the drivers this
morning resulted in the well know bug in Win98SE of not finding drivers in
the Cab files on the CD, so I aborted the load and just tried again and it
worked ok The drivers have all reinstalled (Microsoft included. The
installer left the newer files as well, so I am satisfied the upgrade went
ok). I shall let the system run for a couple of days to ensure that all is
OK and then will try the additional RAM again. I will update as soon as I
try again.
Alan


  #14  
Old August 25th 06, 06:55 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update,microsoft.public.win98.networking,microsoft.public.win98.performance,microsoft.public.win98.setup
éÇÏÒØ ìÅÊËÏ \(Igor Leyko\)
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Default Problems with additional RAM aand NIC

Can you post or attach memory resourses list? I suppose System information
has it or change a view in a device manager for memory resources.

--
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Well, I was puzzled why the Rhine adapter in the Device Manager doesn't
have
any problems at 768 but does at 1024. So I spent time surfing the VIA and
ASUS websites. In short the version of the VIA LAN driver I was running
was
3.14 and the latest is 3.15. What this actually means is that FETND5A file
was the old version from VIA. In attempting to upgrade the drivers this
morning resulted in the well know bug in Win98SE of not finding drivers in
the Cab files on the CD, so I aborted the load and just tried again and it
worked ok The drivers have all reinstalled (Microsoft included. The
installer left the newer files as well, so I am satisfied the upgrade went
ok). I shall let the system run for a couple of days to ensure that all is
OK and then will try the additional RAM again. I will update as soon as I
try again.
Alan




  #15  
Old August 26th 06, 05:55 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update,microsoft.public.win98.networking,microsoft.public.win98.performance,microsoft.public.win98.setup
Alan
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Default Problems with additional RAM aand NIC


"éÇÏÒØ ìÅÊËÏ (Igor Leyko)" wrote in message
...
Can you post or attach memory resourses list? I suppose System information
has it or change a view in a device manager for memory resources.

This is what I have just found in the Device Manager for the Rhine adapter:-
Interrupt Request 03
Memory Range E9000000 - E90000FF
Input/Output Range A800 - A8FF
Memory Range 000D0000 - 000D17FF

This is when it is working OK. I don't have the information for when it
appears to be faulty.
Alan


  #16  
Old August 26th 06, 07:26 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update,microsoft.public.win98.networking,microsoft.public.win98.performance,microsoft.public.win98.setup
éÇÏÒØ ìÅÊËÏ \(Igor Leyko\)
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Default Problems with additional RAM aand NIC

"Alan" wrote in message
...
Can you post or attach memory resourses list? I suppose System
information
has it or change a view in a device manager for memory resources.

This is what I have just found in the Device Manager for the Rhine
adapter:-
Interrupt Request 03
Memory Range E9000000 - E90000FF
Input/Output Range A800 - A8FF
Memory Range 000D0000 - 000D17FF
This is when it is working OK. I don't have the information for when it
appears to be faulty.


do you have emm386 or any other memory manager in config.sys? Try to remove
it if yes.

--
éÇÏÒØ ìÅÊËÏ (Igor Leyko) MS MVP Windows - Shell/User



  #17  
Old August 29th 06, 08:11 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update,microsoft.public.win98.networking,microsoft.public.win98.performance,microsoft.public.win98.setup
Alan
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Default Problems with additional RAM aand NIC


"éÇÏÒØ ìÅÊËÏ (Igor Leyko)" wrote in message
...
"Alan" wrote in message
...
Can you post or attach memory resourses list? I suppose System
information
has it or change a view in a device manager for memory resources.

This is what I have just found in the Device Manager for the Rhine
adapter:-
Interrupt Request 03
Memory Range E9000000 - E90000FF
Input/Output Range A800 - A8FF
Memory Range 000D0000 - 000D17FF
This is when it is working OK. I don't have the information for when it
appears to be faulty.


do you have emm386 or any other memory manager in config.sys? Try to

remove
it if yes.

--
éÇÏÒØ ìÅÊËÏ (Igor Leyko) MS MVP Windows - Shell/User


A couple of points. I have copied the Autoexec.bat and Config.sys files
below. I have been browsing the MS Knowledge base and now have some
questions. The path= command, should I have something more specific along
the lines of pointing to the system directory i.e windows/system? (Yes, I am
running the Resource Kit). Also buried deep down in a MS Dos 6.2 User Guide
book, it says that when you use EMM386.exe and you have a Network Adapter
installed that uses RAM, you should exclude the memory addresses that the
network adapter uses, so that Windows won't use the same area of memory. Is
this relevant for Windows 98SE (DOS7) or not and is this what you are
implying by asking me to remove the EMM386 memory manger in the config.sys.
Finally, with the extra RAM installed and starting in Safe Mode, the problem
doesn't exist, so yes it must definitely be a Windows problem somewhere.
Alan

SET CTSYN=C:\WINDOWS
@PATH C:\PROGRA~1\WIN98RK;%PATH%
mode con codepage prepare=((850) c:\windows\COMMAND\ega.cpi)
mode con codepage select=850
keyb uk,,c:\windows\COMMAND\keyboard.sys
Set tvdumpflags=8

DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS
DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE
device=c:\windows\COMMAND\display.sys con=(ega,,1)
Country=044,850,c:\windows\COMMAND\country.sys
device=c:\rmcd\oakcdrom.sys /D:mscd001
device=c:\rmcd\btdosm.sys
device=c:\rmcd\flashpt.sys
device=c:\rmcd\btcdrom.sys /D:mscd001
device=c:\rmcd\aspi2dos.sys
device=c:\rmcd\aspi8dos.sys
device=c:\rmcd\aspi4dos.sys
device=c:\rmcd\aspi8u2.sys
device=c:\rmcd\aspicd.sys /D:mscd001
device=c:\rmcd\flashpt.sys
files=10
buffers=10
dos=high,umb
stacks=9,256
lastdrive=z





  #18  
Old August 29th 06, 09:11 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update,microsoft.public.win98.networking,microsoft.public.win98.performance,microsoft.public.win98.setup
éÇÏÒØ ìÅÊËÏ \(Igor Leyko\)
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Default Problems with additional RAM aand NIC

Turn off two first lines in config.sys by putting rem in the beginning.
Do you have SCSI CD-ROM? Why there so many SCSI drivers installed?

--
éÇÏÒØ ìÅÊËÏ (Igor Leyko) MS MVP Windows - Shell/User

"Alan" wrote in message
...

"éÇÏÒØ ìÅÊËÏ (Igor Leyko)" wrote in message
...
"Alan" wrote in message
...
Can you post or attach memory resourses list? I suppose System
information
has it or change a view in a device manager for memory resources.
This is what I have just found in the Device Manager for the Rhine
adapter:-
Interrupt Request 03
Memory Range E9000000 - E90000FF
Input/Output Range A800 - A8FF
Memory Range 000D0000 - 000D17FF
This is when it is working OK. I don't have the information for when it
appears to be faulty.


do you have emm386 or any other memory manager in config.sys? Try to

remove
it if yes.

--
éÇÏÒØ ìÅÊËÏ (Igor Leyko) MS MVP Windows - Shell/User


A couple of points. I have copied the Autoexec.bat and Config.sys files
below. I have been browsing the MS Knowledge base and now have some
questions. The path= command, should I have something more specific along
the lines of pointing to the system directory i.e windows/system? (Yes, I
am
running the Resource Kit). Also buried deep down in a MS Dos 6.2 User
Guide
book, it says that when you use EMM386.exe and you have a Network Adapter
installed that uses RAM, you should exclude the memory addresses that the
network adapter uses, so that Windows won't use the same area of memory.
Is
this relevant for Windows 98SE (DOS7) or not and is this what you are
implying by asking me to remove the EMM386 memory manger in the
config.sys.
Finally, with the extra RAM installed and starting in Safe Mode, the
problem
doesn't exist, so yes it must definitely be a Windows problem somewhere.
Alan

SET CTSYN=C:\WINDOWS
@PATH C:\PROGRA~1\WIN98RK;%PATH%
mode con codepage prepare=((850) c:\windows\COMMAND\ega.cpi)
mode con codepage select=850
keyb uk,,c:\windows\COMMAND\keyboard.sys
Set tvdumpflags=8

DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS
DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE
device=c:\windows\COMMAND\display.sys con=(ega,,1)
Country=044,850,c:\windows\COMMAND\country.sys
device=c:\rmcd\oakcdrom.sys /D:mscd001
device=c:\rmcd\btdosm.sys
device=c:\rmcd\flashpt.sys
device=c:\rmcd\btcdrom.sys /D:mscd001
device=c:\rmcd\aspi2dos.sys
device=c:\rmcd\aspi8dos.sys
device=c:\rmcd\aspi4dos.sys
device=c:\rmcd\aspi8u2.sys
device=c:\rmcd\aspicd.sys /D:mscd001
device=c:\rmcd\flashpt.sys
files=10
buffers=10
dos=high,umb
stacks=9,256
lastdrive=z







  #19  
Old August 30th 06, 06:04 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update,microsoft.public.win98.networking,microsoft.public.win98.performance,microsoft.public.win98.setup
MEB
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Default Problems with additional RAM aand NIC

Ah, ,, with those types of config.sys and autoexec.bat for Win98(SE), your
running in compatibility mode/real mode. Memory is not able to be addressed
properly; devices will not be placed properly in the memory environment;
etc. , e.g. Windows can't "do it's thing" in real mode, or a mixed
real/virtual environment, it is a virtual mode environment.

Memory addressing will be your issues concerning your netcard.. and the
additional ram (last 256) which now needs resource ranges of it's own. {For
a general idea look at the old DOS info regarding emm386 and himem, and
their memory limitations, resource usage, etc.. Then question why your
trying to use them.}

Remove any unnecessary, and preferably all device drivers from config.sys,
except, perhaps, the ones for your specific county/keyboard/video
arrangements, and himem.sys if needed for extended memory with LEGACY DOS
programs (generally games). Though as your using country/keyboard/video
specific settings using emm386.exe would appear advisable.
You could try to loadhigh or devicehigh those drivers you think you need..

To TEST this, rem out the "device=c:\rmcd\(driver)" lines. If no problems
develop, then remove them permanently by creating a copy without them, and
renaming the original to "config.org" or something that you will remember as
being the original (just in case). Then devicehigh the config.sys drivers
you need, and loadhigh (LH) the autoexec.

As for the emm386.exe excludes: yes you can manually exclude the net card
addresses as well as video, but it is generally necessary ONLY when using
real mode drivers. Windows will exclude the addresses if it is necessary
(generally found in the device inf).
Also, your files and buffers (and perhaps stacks) statements would be
considered too small for most modern DOS program usage, and conflicts with
Windows 98 defaults.

So the question is WHY you have all these things in your autoexec and
config in the first place. Do you use DOS mode for something or legacy
devices which require them?
BTW: I haven't seen an autoexec and config like you have SINCE DOS days.
Installing Win95 would have remmed out most of what you have. And since you
asked: info for DOS 6.2(2) is not exactly accurate for 7.0.

FYI: Safe mode does not start normal drivers, just base defaults, hence you
will not find compatibility/real mode drivers causing conflicts when in safe
mode. You could try to "step through" a normal startup, and not loading
config.sys and autoexec.bat to see the effect, Igor can tell you how to do
that.
As for the memory in general, several previous discussions have addressed
the 1 gig problem in 98.. 768 is the sweet spot, 1 gig is iffy at best.

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Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if
nothing had happen." Winston Churchill
Or to put it another way:
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but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one.
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"Alan" wrote in message
...
|
| "éÇÏÒØ ìÅÊËÏ (Igor Leyko)" wrote in message
| ...
| "Alan" wrote in message
| ...
| Can you post or attach memory resourses list? I suppose System
| information
| has it or change a view in a device manager for memory resources.
| This is what I have just found in the Device Manager for the Rhine
| adapter:-
| Interrupt Request 03
| Memory Range E9000000 - E90000FF
| Input/Output Range A800 - A8FF
| Memory Range 000D0000 - 000D17FF
| This is when it is working OK. I don't have the information for when
it
| appears to be faulty.
|
| do you have emm386 or any other memory manager in config.sys? Try to
| remove
| it if yes.
|
| --
| éÇÏÒØ ìÅÊËÏ (Igor Leyko) MS MVP Windows - Shell/User
|
|
| A couple of points. I have copied the Autoexec.bat and Config.sys files
| below. I have been browsing the MS Knowledge base and now have some
| questions. The path= command, should I have something more specific along
| the lines of pointing to the system directory i.e windows/system? (Yes, I
am
| running the Resource Kit). Also buried deep down in a MS Dos 6.2 User
Guide
| book, it says that when you use EMM386.exe and you have a Network Adapter
| installed that uses RAM, you should exclude the memory addresses that the
| network adapter uses, so that Windows won't use the same area of memory.
Is
| this relevant for Windows 98SE (DOS7) or not and is this what you are
| implying by asking me to remove the EMM386 memory manger in the
config.sys.
| Finally, with the extra RAM installed and starting in Safe Mode, the
problem
| doesn't exist, so yes it must definitely be a Windows problem somewhere.
| Alan
|
| SET CTSYN=C:\WINDOWS
| @PATH C:\PROGRA~1\WIN98RK;%PATH%
| mode con codepage prepare=((850) c:\windows\COMMAND\ega.cpi)
| mode con codepage select=850
| keyb uk,,c:\windows\COMMAND\keyboard.sys
| Set tvdumpflags=8
|
| DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS
| DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE
| device=c:\windows\COMMAND\display.sys con=(ega,,1)
| Country=044,850,c:\windows\COMMAND\country.sys
| device=c:\rmcd\oakcdrom.sys /D:mscd001
| device=c:\rmcd\btdosm.sys
| device=c:\rmcd\flashpt.sys
| device=c:\rmcd\btcdrom.sys /D:mscd001
| device=c:\rmcd\aspi2dos.sys
| device=c:\rmcd\aspi8dos.sys
| device=c:\rmcd\aspi4dos.sys
| device=c:\rmcd\aspi8u2.sys
| device=c:\rmcd\aspicd.sys /D:mscd001
| device=c:\rmcd\flashpt.sys
| files=10
| buffers=10
| dos=high,umb
| stacks=9,256
| lastdrive=z
|
|
|
|
|


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Old August 30th 06, 06:44 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update,microsoft.public.win98.networking,microsoft.public.win98.performance,microsoft.public.win98.setup
Alan
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Default Problems with additional RAM aand NIC

First things first, my "Windows knowledge" is self taught. Since early
retirement I have tried to understand various elements of the Windows
software when problems have arisen before making any fixes. (You really miss
tech support when you are at home and something goes wrong!) As a result my
knowledge is patchy to say the least, strong in some areas - weak in others.
The Autoexec and Config sys are as they have evolved over time with this PC,
so if there are errors in the content, please let me know.
Regarding the SCSI drivers, I had problems some time ago trying to use the
CD-ROM from start up and used MS KB article 190303 to resolve it, which it
did. This is where the drivers came from. I haven't had any problems since
then and the drivers do load in MS-DOS. I will try the REM on those entries
later.
Alan
"éÇÏÒØ ìÅÊËÏ (Igor Leyko)" wrote in message
...
Turn off two first lines in config.sys by putting rem in the beginning.
Do you have SCSI CD-ROM? Why there so many SCSI drivers installed?

--
éÇÏÒØ ìÅÊËÏ (Igor Leyko) MS MVP Windows - Shell/User

"Alan" wrote in message
...

"éÇÏÒØ ìÅÊËÏ (Igor Leyko)" wrote in message
...
"Alan" wrote in message
...
Can you post or attach memory resourses list? I suppose System
information
has it or change a view in a device manager for memory resources.
This is what I have just found in the Device Manager for the Rhine
adapter:-
Interrupt Request 03
Memory Range E9000000 - E90000FF
Input/Output Range A800 - A8FF
Memory Range 000D0000 - 000D17FF
This is when it is working OK. I don't have the information for when

it
appears to be faulty.

do you have emm386 or any other memory manager in config.sys? Try to

remove
it if yes.

--
éÇÏÒØ ìÅÊËÏ (Igor Leyko) MS MVP Windows - Shell/User


A couple of points. I have copied the Autoexec.bat and Config.sys files
below. I have been browsing the MS Knowledge base and now have some
questions. The path= command, should I have something more specific

along
the lines of pointing to the system directory i.e windows/system? (Yes,

I
am
running the Resource Kit). Also buried deep down in a MS Dos 6.2 User
Guide
book, it says that when you use EMM386.exe and you have a Network

Adapter
installed that uses RAM, you should exclude the memory addresses that

the
network adapter uses, so that Windows won't use the same area of memory.
Is
this relevant for Windows 98SE (DOS7) or not and is this what you are
implying by asking me to remove the EMM386 memory manger in the
config.sys.
Finally, with the extra RAM installed and starting in Safe Mode, the
problem
doesn't exist, so yes it must definitely be a Windows problem somewhere.
Alan

SET CTSYN=C:\WINDOWS
@PATH C:\PROGRA~1\WIN98RK;%PATH%
mode con codepage prepare=((850) c:\windows\COMMAND\ega.cpi)
mode con codepage select=850
keyb uk,,c:\windows\COMMAND\keyboard.sys
Set tvdumpflags=8

DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS
DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE
device=c:\windows\COMMAND\display.sys con=(ega,,1)
Country=044,850,c:\windows\COMMAND\country.sys
device=c:\rmcd\oakcdrom.sys /D:mscd001
device=c:\rmcd\btdosm.sys
device=c:\rmcd\flashpt.sys
device=c:\rmcd\btcdrom.sys /D:mscd001
device=c:\rmcd\aspi2dos.sys
device=c:\rmcd\aspi8dos.sys
device=c:\rmcd\aspi4dos.sys
device=c:\rmcd\aspi8u2.sys
device=c:\rmcd\aspicd.sys /D:mscd001
device=c:\rmcd\flashpt.sys
files=10
buffers=10
dos=high,umb
stacks=9,256
lastdrive=z









 




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