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Old March 16th 05, 05:47 AM
Bill in Co.
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Default IE6 SP1, and the "large number of files, copy and delete problem"

Well, I did try this out, and yes, indeed, lo and behold, it hangs up the
system (in windows explorer) a bit when you try to either copy or delete a
large number of files. (I tested it out on the Favorites folder
ecently - copy, and later delete that copy).

I've seen the fix proposed here, where those two IE 6 browse DLL files are
swapped out with the older ones from IE 5.5, and was wondering if anyone is
using that now.

From what I remember reading about this, you will lose the ability to
"repair" IE in Add/Remove, unless you put the original DLLs back, but other
than that, what's the verdict here?

So - is anyone in here using IE 6 SP1 (and Win98E) with the two browse DLL
files swapped out to the older IE 5.5 versions, and if so, how is it working
out for you? Any problems?


  #2  
Old March 16th 05, 07:17 AM
PCR
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Better than swapping them out... Move the IE6 versions
of Browselc.dll & Browseui.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the folder
that contains IE6 (IEXPLORE.EXE), which is "C:\Program Files\Internet
Explorer\". Then, move the IE5.5 versions of those DLL's into
"C:Windows\System\".

That way, only Explorer uses the older .DLL's.

You lose "Lock Toolbars in Explorer. Also the IE Repair Tool will
fail, unless you switch the DLL's temporarily back. Naturally, you do
lose any MS critical patch that was applied to these DLL's, but in
Explorer only.

But I only know all of that from reading it, Colorado.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
| Well, I did try this out, and yes, indeed, lo and behold, it hangs up
the
| system (in windows explorer) a bit when you try to either copy or
delete a
| large number of files. (I tested it out on the Favorites folder
| ecently - copy, and later delete that copy).
|
| I've seen the fix proposed here, where those two IE 6 browse DLL files
are
| swapped out with the older ones from IE 5.5, and was wondering if
anyone is
| using that now.
|
| From what I remember reading about this, you will lose the ability to
| "repair" IE in Add/Remove, unless you put the original DLLs back, but
other
| than that, what's the verdict here?
|
| So - is anyone in here using IE 6 SP1 (and Win98E) with the two browse
DLL
| files swapped out to the older IE 5.5 versions, and if so, how is it
working
| out for you? Any problems?
|
|


  #3  
Old March 16th 05, 08:22 AM
Bill in Co.
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PCR wrote:
Better than swapping them out... Move the IE6 versions
of Browselc.dll & Browseui.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the folder
that contains IE6 (IEXPLORE.EXE), which is "C:\Program Files\Internet
Explorer\". Then, move the IE5.5 versions of those DLL's into
"C:Windows\System\".

That way, only Explorer uses the older .DLL's.


Right - I remember that now.

You lose "Lock Toolbars in Explorer. Also the IE Repair Tool will fail,


Well, those "losses" aren't too bad!!! (can always copy em back for the
IE Repair Tool)

unless you switch the DLL's temporarily back. Naturally, you do
lose any MS critical patch that was applied to these DLL's, but in
Explorer only.

But I only know all of that from reading it, Colorado.


Yeah, that's coming back now.

I'm wondering if anyone has been doing this for awhile now? I guess you
haven't swapped them out. I'm almost tempted to, though. I may do it.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Well, I did try this out, and yes, indeed, lo and behold, it hangs up the
system (in windows explorer) a bit when you try to either copy or delete

a
large number of files. (I tested it out on the Favorites folder
ecently - copy, and later delete that copy).

I've seen the fix proposed here, where those two IE 6 browse DLL files

are
swapped out with the older ones from IE 5.5, and was wondering if anyone

is
using that now.

From what I remember reading about this, you will lose the ability to
"repair" IE in Add/Remove, unless you put the original DLLs back, but

other
than that, what's the verdict here?

So - is anyone in here using IE 6 SP1 (and Win98E) with the two browse

DLL
files swapped out to the older IE 5.5 versions, and if so, how is it

working
out for you? Any problems?



  #4  
Old March 16th 05, 08:44 AM
Ivan Bútora
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How do you know that IE chooses to use the DLL's in C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer rather than in C:\Windows\System?
Bill, I did try it one machine home in Slovakia, and it worked fine.
Question for PCR: How about just swapping ONE of those files... does that make any difference?
Question for everyone: Does Microsoft ever intent to fix this problem with IE 6 SP1? Does this affect only Windows 98, or also other operating systems?


"PCR" wrote in message ...
Better than swapping them out... Move the IE6 versions
of Browselc.dll & Browseui.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the folder
that contains IE6 (IEXPLORE.EXE), which is "C:\Program Files\Internet
Explorer\". Then, move the IE5.5 versions of those DLL's into
"C:Windows\System\".

That way, only Explorer uses the older .DLL's.

You lose "Lock Toolbars in Explorer. Also the IE Repair Tool will
fail, unless you switch the DLL's temporarily back. Naturally, you do
lose any MS critical patch that was applied to these DLL's, but in
Explorer only.

But I only know all of that from reading it, Colorado.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
| Well, I did try this out, and yes, indeed, lo and behold, it hangs up
the
| system (in windows explorer) a bit when you try to either copy or
delete a
| large number of files. (I tested it out on the Favorites folder
| ecently - copy, and later delete that copy).
|
| I've seen the fix proposed here, where those two IE 6 browse DLL files
are
| swapped out with the older ones from IE 5.5, and was wondering if
anyone is
| using that now.
|
| From what I remember reading about this, you will lose the ability to
| "repair" IE in Add/Remove, unless you put the original DLLs back, but
other
| than that, what's the verdict here?
|
| So - is anyone in here using IE 6 SP1 (and Win98E) with the two browse
DLL
| files swapped out to the older IE 5.5 versions, and if so, how is it
working
| out for you? Any problems?
|
|


  #5  
Old March 16th 05, 08:50 AM
Ivan Bútora
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....and what about the IE 6 gold versions of the files - has anybody tried that?

"PCR" wrote in message ...
Better than swapping them out... Move the IE6 versions
of Browselc.dll & Browseui.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the folder
that contains IE6 (IEXPLORE.EXE), which is "C:\Program Files\Internet
Explorer\". Then, move the IE5.5 versions of those DLL's into
"C:Windows\System\".

That way, only Explorer uses the older .DLL's.

You lose "Lock Toolbars in Explorer. Also the IE Repair Tool will
fail, unless you switch the DLL's temporarily back. Naturally, you do
lose any MS critical patch that was applied to these DLL's, but in
Explorer only.

But I only know all of that from reading it, Colorado.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
| Well, I did try this out, and yes, indeed, lo and behold, it hangs up
the
| system (in windows explorer) a bit when you try to either copy or
delete a
| large number of files. (I tested it out on the Favorites folder
| ecently - copy, and later delete that copy).
|
| I've seen the fix proposed here, where those two IE 6 browse DLL files
are
| swapped out with the older ones from IE 5.5, and was wondering if
anyone is
| using that now.
|
| From what I remember reading about this, you will lose the ability to
| "repair" IE in Add/Remove, unless you put the original DLLs back, but
other
| than that, what's the verdict here?
|
| So - is anyone in here using IE 6 SP1 (and Win98E) with the two browse
DLL
| files swapped out to the older IE 5.5 versions, and if so, how is it
working
| out for you? Any problems?
|
|


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Old March 16th 05, 09:05 AM
Bill in Co.
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I believe the original thread in here that addressed these issues was this
one:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/..._discussion/br
owse_thread/thread/3b082d09e51e4dc3/3b593f09190d2ff3?q=(browseui)+group:micr
osoft.public.win98.gen_discussion#3b593f09190d2ff3

I would think it's best to keep the two IE 5.5 "browse" DLLs together as a
pair, in case they reference each other's versions, in some arcane function
calls (just as a guess)

I don't know whether or not the file copy problem can be solved by replacing
just one of them, but it may be a bad idea anyway, for the reason just
mentioned (who knows when it might raise its ugly head) But that's just
a guess on my part.

As far as a fix is concerned, I think the consensus here was: don't hold
your breath. I doubt it too. Besides, IE 7 will be out, if it isn't
already. (but that's no good for us Win98'ers, though)

Ivan Bútora wrote:
How do you know that IE chooses to use the DLL's in C:\Program

Files\Internet
Explorer rather than in C:\Windows\System?
Bill, I did try it one machine home in Slovakia, and it worked fine.
Question for PCR: How about just swapping ONE of those files... does that
make any difference?
Question for everyone: Does Microsoft ever intent to fix this problem with

IE
6 SP1? Does this affect only Windows 98, or also other operating systems?


"PCR" wrote in message
...
Better than swapping them out... Move the IE6 versions
of Browselc.dll & Browseui.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the folder
that contains IE6 (IEXPLORE.EXE), which is "C:\Program Files\Internet
Explorer\". Then, move the IE5.5 versions of those DLL's into
"C:Windows\System\".

That way, only Explorer uses the older .DLL's.

You lose "Lock Toolbars in Explorer. Also the IE Repair Tool will
fail, unless you switch the DLL's temporarily back. Naturally, you do
lose any MS critical patch that was applied to these DLL's, but in
Explorer only.

But I only know all of that from reading it, Colorado.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Well, I did try this out, and yes, indeed, lo and behold, it hangs up

the
system (in windows explorer) a bit when you try to either copy or

delete a
large number of files. (I tested it out on the Favorites folder
ecently - copy, and later delete that copy).

I've seen the fix proposed here, where those two IE 6 browse DLL files

are
swapped out with the older ones from IE 5.5, and was wondering if

anyone is
using that now.

From what I remember reading about this, you will lose the ability to
"repair" IE in Add/Remove, unless you put the original DLLs back, but

other
than that, what's the verdict here?

So - is anyone in here using IE 6 SP1 (and Win98E) with the two browse

DLL
files swapped out to the older IE 5.5 versions, and if so, how is it

working
out for you? Any problems?



  #7  
Old March 16th 05, 09:33 AM
Gary S. Terhune
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If you're going to replace two newer DLLs with older versions, why
bother to run IE6 at all? You've certainly negated at least some of
security benefits that IE6 has over IE 5.5.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Well, I did try this out, and yes, indeed, lo and behold, it hangs up

the
system (in windows explorer) a bit when you try to either copy or

delete a
large number of files. (I tested it out on the Favorites folder
ecently - copy, and later delete that copy).

I've seen the fix proposed here, where those two IE 6 browse DLL files

are
swapped out with the older ones from IE 5.5, and was wondering if

anyone is
using that now.

From what I remember reading about this, you will lose the ability to
"repair" IE in Add/Remove, unless you put the original DLLs back, but

other
than that, what's the verdict here?

So - is anyone in here using IE 6 SP1 (and Win98E) with the two browse

DLL
files swapped out to the older IE 5.5 versions, and if so, how is it

working
out for you? Any problems?



  #8  
Old March 16th 05, 02:29 PM
Rick Chauvin
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Hi Bill,

As I had said earlier this year and the year before, that changing those
dll's did for the most part appear to solve that large quantity
file hang issue in some situations, however in the long run I discovered it
introduces other slight weird idiosyncrasies and so I think best not to swap
backwards those dll's anymore - which besides, you negate the newer security
changes made to those dll's which after the last cumulative which replaced
them once again - now this makes multiple security update changes one would
be missing besides the code disconnects it could present causing other
problems - so why bother..

I used the dll swap for a while and then went back to IE5.5SP2 because when
it came to that hang issue 5.5 was flawless, however that was a loosing
battle as far as staying security updated with 5.5 and so finally I just
decided to IE6SP1 my SE partition and trying to make peace or ignore this
current hang issue which certainly still is a problem. aamof just yesterday
it happened to me and I had to reboot to clear it but it doesn't happen
everyday because we don't do the things to precipitate it everyday, however
having said that it's also to note that besides the things you already
pointed out that causes the spaz, it can be activated even by deleting a few
files or renaming them off of a usb flash device, or deleting/renaming files
across partitions or network operations, and there are a few other ways that
it's gets activated as well ..certainly it's not perfect by no means, but in
perspective it's a small (but annoying) bug we'll have to live with; besides,
how long do you think we will hang around using W98SE anyway.. where more and
more each day I find myself working off of 2K or XP instead which will sooon
become the norm.. Although like most of you agree, W98SE will always be in
the class of the nostalgic best.

Rick


"Bill in Co." wrote in message

Well, I did try this out, and yes, indeed, lo and behold, it hangs up the
system (in windows explorer) a bit when you try to either copy or delete a
large number of files. (I tested it out on the Favorites folder
ecently - copy, and later delete that copy).

I've seen the fix proposed here, where those two IE 6 browse DLL files are
swapped out with the older ones from IE 5.5, and was wondering if anyone is
using that now.

From what I remember reading about this, you will lose the ability to
"repair" IE in Add/Remove, unless you put the original DLLs back, but other
than that, what's the verdict here?

So - is anyone in here using IE 6 SP1 (and Win98E) with the two browse DLL
files swapped out to the older IE 5.5 versions, and if so, how is it
working out for you? Any problems?








  #9  
Old March 17th 05, 03:20 AM
Bill in Co.
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Gary S. Terhune wrote:
If you're going to replace two newer DLLs with older versions, why
bother to run IE6 at all?


Because I *have* it installed now, and it would be a pain in the ass to try
to get back to IE 5.5 at this point. The only reason I'm here on IE 6 in
the first place is because of some of those damn WU updates messin with my
system! I'm thru with them now. Period.

Perhaps you recall that old chinese proverb? Let me modify it - for my
case:
" fool me once, shame on you! "
" fool me twice, shame on you! "
" fool me thrice, shame on ME! "

I'm done with WU. Fortunately I'm stuck with IE 6 SP1, which is pretty
secure in its own right. And I'm leaving it at that - period.

You've certainly negated at least some of
security benefits that IE6 has over IE 5.5.


If you want to be totally secure, I'd suggest you wait until we move into
the next world, as it ain't gonna happen down here. Or, if you prefer,
accept that "true security lies within"

End of sermon. :-)

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Well, I did try this out, and yes, indeed, lo and behold, it hangs up the
system (in windows explorer) a bit when you try to either copy or delete

a
large number of files. (I tested it out on the Favorites folder
ecently - copy, and later delete that copy).

I've seen the fix proposed here, where those two IE 6 browse DLL files

are
swapped out with the older ones from IE 5.5, and was wondering if anyone

is
using that now.

From what I remember reading about this, you will lose the ability to
"repair" IE in Add/Remove, unless you put the original DLLs back, but

other
than that, what's the verdict here?

So - is anyone in here using IE 6 SP1 (and Win98E) with the two browse

DLL
files swapped out to the older IE 5.5 versions, and if so, how is it

working
out for you? Any problems?



  #10  
Old March 17th 05, 03:28 AM
Bill in Co.
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Rick Chauvin wrote:
Hi Bill,

As I had said earlier this year and the year before, that changing those
dll's did for the most part appear to solve that large quantity
file hang issue in some situations, however in the long run I discovered

it
introduces other slight weird idiosyncrasies and so I think best not to

swap

LIKE WHAT??? For security updates? (if so, THAT is a non-issue for me,
since I'm done with them)

So far it's working out great for me, having swapped the files. MUCH
MUCH better in handling large numbers of files!

backwards those dll's anymore - which besides, you negate the newer

security
changes made to those dll's


(But that is irrelevant to me) (YMMV)

which after the last cumulative which replaced
them once again - now this makes multiple security update changes one

would
be missing besides the code disconnects it could present causing other
problems - so why bother..


Again, I'm done with WU, after all the experiences I've been thru.
Period, end of that story, finato.

I used the dll swap for a while and then went back to IE5.5SP2 because

when
it came to that hang issue 5.5 was flawless, however that was a loosing
battle as far as staying security updated with 5.5 and so finally I just
decided to IE6SP1 my SE partition and trying to make peace or ignore this
current hang issue which certainly still is a problem. and of just

yesterday
it happened to me and I had to reboot to clear it but it doesn't happen
everyday because we don't do the things to precipitate it everyday,

however
having said that it's also to note that besides the things you already
pointed out that causes the spaz, it can be activated even by deleting a

few
files or renaming them off of a usb flash device, or deleting/renaming

files
across partitions or network operations, and there are a few other ways

that
it's gets activated as well ..certainly it's not perfect by no means, but

in
perspective it's a small (but annoying) bug we'll have to live with;

besides,
how long do you think we will hang around using W98SE anyway.. where more

and
more each day I find myself working off of 2K or XP instead which will

sooon
become the norm.. Although like most of you agree, W98SE will always be

in
the class of the nostalgic best.

Rick


"Bill in Co." wrote in message

Well, I did try this out, and yes, indeed, lo and behold, it hangs up the
system (in windows explorer) a bit when you try to either copy or delete

a
large number of files. (I tested it out on the Favorites folder
ecently - copy, and later delete that copy).

I've seen the fix proposed here, where those two IE 6 browse DLL files

are
swapped out with the older ones from IE 5.5, and was wondering if anyone

is
using that now.

From what I remember reading about this, you will lose the ability to
"repair" IE in Add/Remove, unless you put the original DLLs back, but

other
than that, what's the verdict here?

So - is anyone in here using IE 6 SP1 (and Win98E) with the two browse

DLL
files swapped out to the older IE 5.5 versions, and if so, how is it
working out for you? Any problems?



 




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